"D Steck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looks like there might be some oak available if you want to cut it into
> boards.
>
> I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
> turn them into firewood.
>
> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
>
Sounds to me as the SOB is using it as blackmail, holding the tree hostage
for taxpayer welfare. I'm willing to fire up the chainsaw.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "D Steck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Looks like there might be some oak available if you want to cut it into
> > boards.
> >
> > I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
> > turn them into firewood.
> >
> > http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
> >
>
> Sounds to me as the SOB is using it as blackmail, holding the tree hostage
> for taxpayer welfare. I'm willing to fire up the chainsaw.
Me, too. He wants government funds to help out his church. Faith based
woodcutting.
Bur oak is a great wood, by the way, looks a lot like QS white
oak,makes great veneer I'm told, and it would really be a shame to see
a tree that size fed to the shredders. But it would be a much bigger
shame to see this guy succeed in blackmailing the town.
"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> You have to admit that there is the possibility that the person writing
> and/or editing the story induced a little spin...
Yeah. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. There isn't too
much in the media these days that can be taken at face value. Seems like
everybody is out for themselves these days. Everybody except the few like
the person who handed me the $20 bill I didn't know I'd dropped at the
grocery checkout a few days ago.
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking
>> lot for a church, and this tree is in the way.
>
> If what you say is correct, then at the very least he could have
> stated his case a little clearer. If there's any confusion about his
> intent, then it looks like it was his own fault.
>
You have to admit that there is the possibility that the person writing
and/or editing the story induced a little spin...
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>> You have to admit that there is the possibility that the person
>> writing and/or editing the story induced a little spin...
>
> Yeah. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. There
> isn't too much in the media these days that can be taken at face
> value. Seems like everybody is out for themselves these days.
> Everybody except the few like the person who handed me the $20 bill I
> didn't know I'd dropped at the grocery checkout a few days ago.
>
And there are good, honest, helpful folks in churches around the world,
whatever your personal experience with some folks and/or churches may have
been.
Unfortunately, like 200 year old oak trees, you're never quite sure what's
really inside. People or churches or news stories.
Patriarch,
hopeful as always...
At an ATM the man ahead of me walked away from it muttering something
and was mad. I had to call him three times to get him back to remove
the $60.00 in the machine. Nary a "Thanks" or "Go to hell" did I get.
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:33:55 -0400, "Upscale" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> You have to admit that there is the possibility that the person writing
>> and/or editing the story induced a little spin...
>
>Yeah. I guess I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. There isn't too
>much in the media these days that can be taken at face value. Seems like
>everybody is out for themselves these days. Everybody except the few like
>the person who handed me the $20 bill I didn't know I'd dropped at the
>grocery checkout a few days ago.
>
Mike in Mystic wrote:
> That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
> for a church, and this tree is in the way. A bunch of who-knows-who got
> their panties in a wad about "saving the tree" and he gave them an
> alternative. How is that blackmail? He stated his position, gave them the
> option. If they choose not to follow it, he'll cut the tree down, which is
> perfectly within his right's it seems to me.
You got it, Mike! If this was a private citizen instead of a pastor, he
wouldn't be catching this flak.
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> We may not be getting the whole story, but how do you interpret:
> "The Rev. Johnnie Wilson gave the people of Centralia, Ill., an ultimatum:
> Come up with $75,000 in 30 days or he would chop down a giant bur oak tree
> on his church's property to make room for parking spaces."
>
> Perhaps a lot of the story was left out, perhaps a lot of facts are missing.
> But what I read does not come across very well. If it was in fact, an
> ultimatum, not a request for help.
Good point. I dunno which came first, the public outcry to save the
tree or the pastor's offer to spare it for $75K. The story is cunningly
ambiguous.
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:15:32 -0500, the opaque Duane Bozarth
> <[email protected]> clearly wrote:
>
> >Upscale wrote:
> >>
> >> "Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> > That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
> >> > for a church, and this tree is in the way.
> >>
> >> If what you say is correct, then at the very least he could have stated his
> >> case a little clearer. If there's any confusion about his intent, then it
> >> looks like it was his own fault.
> >
> >One should never underestimate the ability of the reporter to confuse an
> >issue,, either... :(
>
> After reading her "balanced and neutral reporting", the odds appear
> fairly high that Georgina Gustin is a tree-hugging liberal.
>
> The fact that the living tree might be worth a lot of money in timber
> never got covered by the newspaper. I wonder why. (No I don't.) <sigh>
>
Nonsense Larry. Not many sawmills are going to want to cut a tree that
stands next to a parking lot of any kind. Too, there's no knowing
what's inside that "200 year old" tree without a look at it, at least.
It could be about half rotted or it could be perfect.
It's also quite possible the reporter, like many people, does not look
at a tree as a valuable resource, or, really, has any idea it could be.
But you know the answer: the reporter was out to get the preacher.
Not everyone is a wood expert, or interested in becoming one. For that
matter, why didn't the pastor check into the possible value of the
tree? If he did, he didn't bother to mention it. Should we extrapolate
and say he was going for a double payment because it wasn't mentioned?
The guy comes across as a horse's ass based on his words and actions,
and you guys blame the reporter.
Jesus wept.
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On 14 Jul 2005 13:08:35 -0700, the opaque "Charlie Self"
> <[email protected]> clearly wrote:
>
> >Larry Jaques wrote:
> >> After reading her "balanced and neutral reporting", the odds appear
> >> fairly high that Georgina Gustin is a tree-hugging liberal.
> >>
>
> >It's also quite possible the reporter, like many people, does not look
> >at a tree as a valuable resource, or, really, has any idea it could be.
>
> Yeah, they probably see it as either a temple or a stack of firewood.
> Sad, ain't it?
But common. Probably 97% of the people you meet are that way.
>
> >Not everyone is a wood expert, or interested in becoming one. For that
> >matter, why didn't the pastor check into the possible value of the
> >tree? If he did, he didn't bother to mention it. Should we extrapolate
> >and say he was going for a double payment because it wasn't mentioned?
>
> >The guy comes across as a horse's ass based on his words and actions,
> >and you guys blame the reporter.
>
> Ever stop to think it might have been the reporter's calculated
> wording which made it sound like the preacher was an ass? Reread
> that story and show me her balance. ANY balance or openmindedness.
> It didn't give her question, only his answer. Much is hidden in that
> story, I'm sure, and it felt awfully one-sided.
You obviously don't know much about small town papers and those how
write for them. Ours is fairly conservative, but tries for balance, but
the editor and writer (one of each, plus a sports writer who does about
78% of the paper) are unable to communicate particularly well in print.
Mostly, what gets printed is what they manage to get up on screen
without losing large chunks during a save.
I note that someone down the line said the paper has the reputation of
being liberal in a conservative area. I've also noted that EVERY
newspaper in this very, very conservative area where I live is classed
as liberal. It seems that if you ever disagree with Bush, Cheney and
Rove you're a liberal. That's life.
None of us know anything more about the story than what was present on
the story. Speculation on motives is just so much bullshit in such
cases.
In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> Ever stop to think it might have been the reporter's calculated
> wording which made it sound like the preacher was an ass?
Lary, I've worked in newspapers for more than 25 years and your
suggestion that a reporter would write a story, or that an editor would
let one go to print, that was anything less than totally objecti...
Nope. Can't finish that sentence. Not with a straight face.
"Run that baby!" </bloomcounty>
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In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:06:48 -0500, "D Steck" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
<snip>
LOL! You aren't even worth killfiling!
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In article <140720052336308314%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca>, Dave
Balderstone <dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:06:48 -0500, "D Steck" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> <snip>
Sorry, D Steck. My post may give the impression I was talking about
you. I wasn't. You got caught as a sub-quote in a sub-standard quote of
your post.
If that makes sense?
If not, I'll give you <http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode28.htm#4>
;-)
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In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> Do newspapers still HAVE editors? I catch so many simple grammatical
> errors in our local paper that I've given up hope. Hell, they don't
> even run spel chuckers there, let alone check grammar. <sigh>
Hell, at our paper almost everyone in the "stringing words together"
department has "editor" in their job title.
What most newspapers lack are "proofreaders" and "fact checkers".
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Charlie Self wrote:
> Me, too. He wants government funds to help out his church. Faith based
> woodcutting.
> Bur oak is a great wood, by the way, looks a lot like QS white
> oak,makes great veneer I'm told, and it would really be a shame to see
> a tree that size fed to the shredders. But it would be a much bigger
> shame to see this guy succeed in blackmailing the town.
I think I see a use for that obscene court ruling on eminent domain. He
must have learned his ethics from Sharpton.
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Upscale wrote:
>
> "Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
> > for a church, and this tree is in the way.
>
> If what you say is correct, then at the very least he could have stated his
> case a little clearer. If there's any confusion about his intent, then it
> looks like it was his own fault.
One should never underestimate the ability of the reporter to confuse an
issue,, either... :(
That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
for a church, and this tree is in the way. A bunch of who-knows-who got
their panties in a wad about "saving the tree" and he gave them an
alternative. How is that blackmail? He stated his position, gave them the
option. If they choose not to follow it, he'll cut the tree down, which is
perfectly within his right's it seems to me.
Hopefully he'll be smart enough to sell the tree to a lumber company that
will mill it into nice wood and he'd probably even make a profit for his
church. Good for him if it works out that way.
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> > "D Steck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Looks like there might be some oak available if you want to cut it
into
> > > boards.
> > >
> > > I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down
and
> > > turn them into firewood.
> > >
> > >
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C3
9BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
> > >
> >
> > Sounds to me as the SOB is using it as blackmail, holding the tree
hostage
> > for taxpayer welfare. I'm willing to fire up the chainsaw.
>
> Me, too. He wants government funds to help out his church. Faith based
> woodcutting.
>
> Bur oak is a great wood, by the way, looks a lot like QS white
> oak,makes great veneer I'm told, and it would really be a shame to see
> a tree that size fed to the shredders. But it would be a much bigger
> shame to see this guy succeed in blackmailing the town.
>
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:06:48 -0500, "D Steck" <[email protected]>
wrote:
typical nigger exploitation.......holds a historic tree hostage to
line his pockets
>Looks like there might be some oak available if you want to cut it into
>boards.
>
>I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
>turn them into firewood.
>
>http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
>
>
"D Steck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looks like there might be some oak available if you want to cut it into
> boards.
>
> I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
> turn them into firewood.
>
> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
>
>
>
WOW! You all took that about 16 different directions!!! Here I was
thinking about the wood and we went down the path of the newspaper. What I
should have mentioned is that the St. Louis Post Dispatch is considered a
very liberal rag for a fairly conservative town. There was a paper years
ago - The Globe Democrat that was conservative but after numerous attempts
to reformat the paper, it went under. I sure to miss that paper - it kept
the Post Dispatch in check. They are most certainly anti-church and
anti-war.
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
> for a church, and this tree is in the way.
If what you say is correct, then at the very least he could have stated his
case a little clearer. If there's any confusion about his intent, then it
looks like it was his own fault.
On 15 Jul 2005 02:01:30 -0700, the opaque "Charlie Self"
<[email protected]> clearly wrote:
>> >Larry Jaques wrote:
>> >> After reading her "balanced and neutral reporting", the odds appear
>> >> fairly high that Georgina Gustin is a tree-hugging liberal.
>> >>
>>
>> >It's also quite possible the reporter, like many people, does not look
>> >at a tree as a valuable resource, or, really, has any idea it could be.
>>
>> Yeah, they probably see it as either a temple or a stack of firewood.
>> Sad, ain't it?
>
>But common. Probably 97% of the people you meet are that way.
Shouldn't reporters be in that 3%, or is objective fact-finding no
longer a requirement for employment in that field? </rhetorical Q>
>> Ever stop to think it might have been the reporter's calculated
>> wording which made it sound like the preacher was an ass? Reread
>> that story and show me her balance. ANY balance or openmindedness.
>> It didn't give her question, only his answer. Much is hidden in that
>> story, I'm sure, and it felt awfully one-sided.
>
>You obviously don't know much about small town papers and those how
>write for them. Ours is fairly conservative, but tries for balance, but
I should. I live in a town of 23,000 in rural OR.
>the editor and writer (one of each, plus a sports writer who does about
>78% of the paper) are unable to communicate particularly well in print.
>Mostly, what gets printed is what they manage to get up on screen
>without losing large chunks during a save.
-See my post to Dave Balderstone regarding editors.-
>I note that someone down the line said the paper has the reputation of
>being liberal in a conservative area. I've also noted that EVERY
>newspaper in this very, very conservative area where I live is classed
>as liberal. It seems that if you ever disagree with Bush, Cheney and
>Rove you're a liberal. That's life.
Sorry for using the "L" word in front of you. I've disagreed with
nearly everything the current president has said and done, but someone
would have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to think of me as a liberal or
a potential Democrat, though some really conservative types do. <g>
I'm sick to see what our political system has become and can't, in
good conscience, ever vote for another Rep -or- Dem.
Our local paper consists of a mix of radically conservative and
radically liberal writers, with maybe one moderate thrown in for
good measure. (I would have said balance, but I know better.)
>None of us know anything more about the story than what was present on
>the story. Speculation on motives is just so much bullshit in such
>cases.
Granted. But I tried to read that article with an open mind, and what
I read sounded more like a subjective tirade than an objective report.
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:0ouBe.3638$WA4.2531@trndny04...
>
> "D Steck" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Looks like there might be some oak available if you want to cut it into
>> boards.
>>
>> I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
>> turn them into firewood.
>>
>> http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
>>
>
> Sounds to me as the SOB is using it as blackmail, holding the tree hostage
> for taxpayer welfare. I'm willing to fire up the chainsaw.
>
"Hey Mama, is it true what they say,
that Papa never worked a day in his life?
And Mama, some bad talk going around town
saying that Papa had three outside children and another wife.
And that ain't right.
Hey, talk about Papa doing some store front preaching.
Talked about saving souls and all the time leeching.
Dealing in debt and stealing in the name of the Lord."
The Temptations
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:14:51 -0400, Guess who
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:06:48 -0500, "D Steck" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
>>turn them into firewood.
>>
>>http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
>
>Quote: The Rev. Johnnie Wilson gave the people of Centralia, Ill., an
>ultimatum: Come up with $75,000 in 30 days or he would chop down a
>giant bur oak tree on his church's property to make room for parking
>spaces.
>
>Sounds like good Christian attitude to me.
I wonder if he'd let me chop her down and keep the lumber.....
On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:15:32 -0500, the opaque Duane Bozarth
<[email protected]> clearly wrote:
>Upscale wrote:
>>
>> "Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
>> > for a church, and this tree is in the way.
>>
>> If what you say is correct, then at the very least he could have stated his
>> case a little clearer. If there's any confusion about his intent, then it
>> looks like it was his own fault.
>
>One should never underestimate the ability of the reporter to confuse an
>issue,, either... :(
After reading her "balanced and neutral reporting", the odds appear
fairly high that Georgina Gustin is a tree-hugging liberal.
The fact that the living tree might be worth a lot of money in timber
never got covered by the newspaper. I wonder why. (No I don't.) <sigh>
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In article <[email protected]>,
"Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote:
> But you know the answer: the reporter was out to get the preacher.
>
> Not everyone is a wood expert, or interested in becoming one. For that
> matter, why didn't the pastor check into the possible value of the
> tree? If he did, he didn't bother to mention it. Should we extrapolate
> and say he was going for a double payment because it wasn't mentioned?
>
> The guy comes across as a horse's ass based on his words and actions,
> and you guys blame the reporter.
Also, consider that at the end of his first deadline, he had received
only 10 cents with a note stating God is watching. Apparently no one in
the church congregation is even motivated to donate to the cause. There
are enough slash'n'burn folks out there that he should have gotten at
least something more than 10 cents - unless his horse's assness is well
known and his ultimatum is felt by the locals in the same tone as the
news report comes across.
Here's another article on the story:
<http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/A6BE5B
6D9064426A86257020001DA78D?OpenDocument>
> Centralia City Manager Grant Kleinhenz says he's offered Wilson alternatives
> - including the possibility of leasing a strip of city-owned land for angled
> parking just outside the church. Kleinhenz has also suggested that Wilson
> talk to the state about using a state-owned lot two doors down from the
> church. The lot is not used on Sundays.
>
> But Wilson says those options won't work: He says the state-owned lot is too
> far away, and the city's lease offer would present too many complications.
> Who, he wonders, would pay the tab if the city needs to dig up the asphalt to
> access water pipes under the leased land? And what happens when the 99-year
> lease the city is offering expires?
>
> "Our children, and their children, shouldn't have to worry about this,"
> Wilson said.
>
Seems the pastor really just wants one thing and isn't willing to give
alternative solutions a try - the city is willing to lease the strip of
city land at $1 for 100 years. The church has been at this location 1 &
1/2 years and this guy's got his panties in a bunch about an issue 101
years down the road.
That he didn't have the tree cut after the first deadline also sounds as
though he's got dollar signs in his eyes - according to another news
item on the story there's a feeling that the donations might not
ultimately go to saving the tree. It could end up that if $75,000 isn't
reached the money could be used to pay for the tree's removal.
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On 14 Jul 2005 13:08:35 -0700, the opaque "Charlie Self"
<[email protected]> clearly wrote:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> After reading her "balanced and neutral reporting", the odds appear
>> fairly high that Georgina Gustin is a tree-hugging liberal.
>>
>> The fact that the living tree might be worth a lot of money in timber
>> never got covered by the newspaper. I wonder why. (No I don't.) <sigh>
>>
>
>Nonsense Larry. Not many sawmills are going to want to cut a tree that
>stands next to a parking lot of any kind. Too, there's no knowing
>what's inside that "200 year old" tree without a look at it, at least.
>It could be about half rotted or it could be perfect.
True, but we haven't seen any of those estimates.
>It's also quite possible the reporter, like many people, does not look
>at a tree as a valuable resource, or, really, has any idea it could be.
Yeah, they probably see it as either a temple or a stack of firewood.
Sad, ain't it?
>But you know the answer: the reporter was out to get the preacher.
Hey, I'm usually the one railing -against- religion. But my read of
that story was that the guy was trying to find ways to save the tree
since the townfolk had put up such an uproar.
>Not everyone is a wood expert, or interested in becoming one. For that
>matter, why didn't the pastor check into the possible value of the
>tree? If he did, he didn't bother to mention it. Should we extrapolate
>and say he was going for a double payment because it wasn't mentioned?
>The guy comes across as a horse's ass based on his words and actions,
>and you guys blame the reporter.
Ever stop to think it might have been the reporter's calculated
wording which made it sound like the preacher was an ass? Reread
that story and show me her balance. ANY balance or openmindedness.
It didn't give her question, only his answer. Much is hidden in that
story, I'm sure, and it felt awfully one-sided.
>Jesus wept.
??
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:46:23 -0600, the opaque Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca> clearly wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> Ever stop to think it might have been the reporter's calculated
>> wording which made it sound like the preacher was an ass?
>
>Lary, I've worked in newspapers for more than 25 years and your
>suggestion that a reporter would write a story, or that an editor would
>let one go to print, that was anything less than totally objecti...
>
>Nope. Can't finish that sentence. Not with a straight face.
Do newspapers still HAVE editors? I catch so many simple grammatical
errors in our local paper that I've given up hope. Hell, they don't
even run spel chuckers there, let alone check grammar. <sigh>
>"Run that baby!" </bloomcounty>
Good cartoon!
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On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:06:48 -0500, "D Steck" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I hate to see old trees cut down but what's worse is to cut them down and
>turn them into firewood.
>
>http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/metroeast/story/92D05CB4C39BDF8C8625703E00149753?OpenDocument
Quote: The Rev. Johnnie Wilson gave the people of Centralia, Ill., an
ultimatum: Come up with $75,000 in 30 days or he would chop down a
giant bur oak tree on his church's property to make room for parking
spaces.
Sounds like good Christian attitude to me.
"Dhakala" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Mike in Mystic wrote:
>> That's not how that story read to me at all. The guy needs a parking lot
>> for a church, and this tree is in the way. A bunch of who-knows-who got
>> their panties in a wad about "saving the tree" and he gave them an
>> alternative. How is that blackmail? He stated his position, gave them
>> the
>> option. If they choose not to follow it, he'll cut the tree down, which
>> is
>> perfectly within his right's it seems to me.
>
> You got it, Mike! If this was a private citizen instead of a pastor, he
> wouldn't be catching this flak.
He would if the goal was extortion.
We may not be getting the whole story, but how do you interpret:
"The Rev. Johnnie Wilson gave the people of Centralia, Ill., an ultimatum:
Come up with $75,000 in 30 days or he would chop down a giant bur oak tree
on his church's property to make room for parking spaces."
Perhaps a lot of the story was left out, perhaps a lot of facts are missing.
But what I read does not come across very well. If it was in fact, an
ultimatum, not a request for help.