On Feb 8, 8:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
Assuming you have all the tools and skills required, you could
probably make something very similar.
Calling it "simple", however, is, IMHO, simplistic :)
On Feb 8, 9:50 am, "Jimbo" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 8:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> > I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> > Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> > days or am I living in the past?
>
> Assuming you have all the tools and skills required, you could
> probably make something very similar.
>
> Calling it "simple", however, is, IMHO, simplistic :)
Another point: I buy ready-made legs and fittings and can put together
a dining table or coffee table with a country finish in a day or two
including finishing, and they certainly are better than the cheap
tables I can buy, and as good as the mid-priced stuff - and less
expensive than both. However, to compare my tables to the high-end
stuff would require better quality materials, better quality finish
and some changes in construction. Personally, I have found the
procurement, and quality, of materials is nearly always the biggest
problem. Now, SWMBO would argue that I have other problems but that's
a completely different topic.
Jack wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
You couldn't make it in a couple of days. The finishing would take
you that long.
R
On Feb 8, 7:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
No way you could build it as a one-off in two days. The devil's in the
details. Look at the legs. The mix of straight sections for mortising
and sweeping curves would take half a day to work out (at least one
prototype if not two) then if you are very lucky half a day to cut the
legs out and shape them. Figure a full day to build up the top and
mill straight sections. Depending on how you are going to do the
joinery figure half a day minimum for that. Up front you likely had a
day in buying or finding/sorting, surfacing and matching the stock.
Now figure at least half a day to prep for finish ( a day or more if
you really care about the finish) and three half days of finishing.
So that adds up to something like six days -- if you are ambitious,
cut corners on the joinery, and do only the minimum required surface
prep. At $6k they are proud -- but if you don't have the tools or
the know how it's not an unfair price.
On the other hand maybe I work way to slowly.
hex
-30-
On Feb 8, 8:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
Does it pay Tiger Woods to mow his own lawn? Your ability to earn your
living at your chosen profession should tell you what your time is
worth per hour. That should be factored into your estimate of the cost
of the item. Projects with clean "simple" lines may be harder to
fabricate than they appear .However if its the pleasure of building it
you seek, by all means go for it. The perceived saved money should
not be the only incentive.
Joe G
>From their website:
-->At Green Design Furniture, a method of manufacturing furniture was
developed using the inherent strength of the wood itself to hold the
furniture together. It is a system of interlocking joinery that allows
the parts to slide and lock into each other, using full-length
dovetailed connections. This innovative system, developed and patented
by Douglas Green, virtually eliminates the use of screws, nuts, bolts,
and other fasteners.
What's innovative about sliding dovetails? It's rather presumptive to
claim that they developed it. And how in the heck can you patent
something that's been in common use for centuries?
Anyhow, to do a one-off copy I reckon it would take me at least 40
hours (not counting the design, picking up lumber and supplies, and
fixing mistakes) and probably $500 US for supplies. Even if it took
me 100 hours and I paid myself $50 per hour I'd still come out ahead
of their price. On the other hand, you gotta figure in the cost of
all of those tools, shop space, etc. Actually, at this point, there
is no way my wife would permit spending that much money on the table
when she knows that I could build one at much less (unless, of course,
I sold my tools to pay for it)
On Feb 8, 8:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
Knock yourself out but I question your estimate. The table has curved
tapered legs, curved cross sections, at least 12 M&T joints, optional
extension leaves in what appears to be cherry. For artisan pieces of
this nature, $6K is not unrealistic.
On 8 Feb, 13:19, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
It's about $1k to make it, $1k to finish it, and $4k to run the sort
of shop where people who spend $6k on tables like to buy them.
Yes, you could make it. But they get the money because they know how
to _sell_ it too.
If I had $1 for every time some woodworker quite reasonably says "I
could make that", then I'd have a lot more $ than I ever had trying to
sell $6k tables to people who bought them instead of making their own.
On Feb 8, 3:19 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > On the other hand I wouldn't buy it for 6 cents on general principle.
> > The company is run by one of those assholes who patents existing art.
> > Particularly that patent of his doesn't just cover his sliding
> > dovetail locking joint, he claims that it covers _all_ "self-locking
> > joints" and eventually it's going to cost somebody a lot of money to
> > convince the courts otherwise.
>
> Oh, good grief.
Here it is:
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5454331&id=DtcZAAAAEBAJ&dq=5,454,331
On Feb 8, 2:41 pm, [email protected] (J T) wrote:
>
> Yeah, but how many are they selling at that price? Of course
> there's always someone with more money than brains.
> I betcha I could make a more money selling a gizmo at $100 each over
> trying to selling them at $1000 each.
>
Yabbut.. I already have a gizmo.
On Feb 8, 8:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
A friend of mine walked into my office one day just in time to hear a
recording of Pavarotti where he lets fly with one of his power
finishes.
My buddy said: "Meh..if I had a voice like that, I could sing like
that too."
Now go take another look at that table.
You are so right.. all you need is the material, time, machinery and
talent, and you can make a table like that too. Never in 2 days
though, even if you included 5 more dreamers like yourself.
Me? I think you're a troll.
r
On Feb 8, 9:38 pm, High Score <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm working on a patent for something I'm calling the "glueless butt
> joint". I am not going to tell you how it's done but I will give a hint:
> It uses headed long cylindrical metal pieces which are inserted through
> the joint by the impact from a piece of heavy iron on the end of a stick.
> I also intend to patent the cylindrical metal pieces and the iron thingy
> too. I just need to come up with a name.
>
Stick Schtick
Thu, Feb 8, 2007, 5:19am (EST-3) [email protected] (Jack) doth posteth:
http://www.greendesigns.com/
I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at
$6k? Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a
couple of days or am I living in the past?
Yeah, but how many are they selling at that price? Of course
there's always someone with more money than brains.
I betcha I could make a more money selling a gizmo at $100 each over
trying to selling them at $1000 each.
JOAT
Only those who have the patience to do simple things perfectly will
acquire the skill to do difficult things easily.
- Johann Von Schiller
pango bango
On 09 Feb 2007 02:38:31 GMT, High Score <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I'm working on a patent for something I'm calling the "glueless butt
>joint". I am not going to tell you how it's done but I will give a hint:
>It uses headed long cylindrical metal pieces which are inserted through
>the joint by the impact from a piece of heavy iron on the end of a stick.
>I also intend to patent the cylindrical metal pieces and the iron thingy
>too. I just need to come up with a name.
>
>-g
>
>"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in news:RZLyh.42159$Gr2.4404
>@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>
>>
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that he's hoping that he can sue somebody into licensing his
>>> patent.
>>
>> Oh, Good Grief.
>>
>>
>>
Regards,
Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
sorry, wrote obverse, meant reverse.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:40:10 -0500, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:19:18 -0800, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>>
>>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
>>Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
>>days or am I living in the past?
>>
>>
>
>You think that this design is simple?
>
>This is a piece of CNC origami.
>
>Look at the grain direction and ask yourself about how to accomplish
>the legs in natural timber.
>
>Look at how the legs butt out on their interior edges to produce a
>squared section for joinery.
>
>Ask yourself why the stiffeners on the obverse of the top run in the
>direction that they do, rather than the opposite.
>
>It is an admirable visual concept containing a deceptive manufacturing
>truth.
>
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Tom Watson
>
>tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Regards,
Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Jack wrote:
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
>
>
>
There have already been a bunch of good replies . . . all appropriate.
One issue not mentioned yet though is that this is a company that is in
business to make a profit . . . to amortize equipment, provide workmens
comp, pay overhead for a commercial effort . . . hire and train
employees etc. Six grand is a lot, but not at all out of line assuming
this is truly a quality product.
Rick
"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
Having recently completed my own solid cherry dinning table, I can speak
from experience.
Except for the table tops... all of the designs on the site have no seams
(drawer fronts and such are not made from glue-ups) and no descenable wood
defects. If you want to replicate that look, expect as much as 50% waste
when purchasing that wood.
I did, and I had close to $1000 in wood and supplies into my table. I had a
somewhat more complicated design, but had over 100 hours into it. I think "a
couple days" is unrealistic.
Is $6K alot? Sure but, it's not that crazy. I could not afford that kind of
money for a a table, but I have the skills and equipment.
According to my casual research:
<$1000 buys you man-made wood products (veneered whatever) or low-end slolid
woods that do not grow in this hemisphere.
$1500-$2500 gets modest-design indiginous common hardwood (oak, maple,
perhaps some cherry) with not much, if any, attention paid to grain matching
or stock selection.
Above that.... you pay for premium hardwoods, premium wood selection and
more complicated designs.
-Steve
--
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On 8 Feb 2007 10:04:53 -0800, "Jeff" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 8, 8:19 am, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>>
>> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
>> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
>> days or am I living in the past?
>
>Knock yourself out but I question your estimate. The table has curved
>tapered legs, curved cross sections, at least 12 M&T joints, optional
>extension leaves in what appears to be cherry. For artisan pieces of
>this nature, $6K is not unrealistic.
It's even worse--it's all self-locking dovetails apparently.
On the other hand I wouldn't buy it for 6 cents on general principle.
The company is run by one of those assholes who patents existing art.
Particularly that patent of his doesn't just cover his sliding
dovetail locking joint, he claims that it covers _all_ "self-locking
joints" and eventually it's going to cost somebody a lot of money to
convince the courts otherwise.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On the other hand I wouldn't buy it for 6 cents on general principle.
> The company is run by one of those assholes who patents existing art.
> Particularly that patent of his doesn't just cover his sliding
> dovetail locking joint, he claims that it covers _all_ "self-locking
> joints" and eventually it's going to cost somebody a lot of money to
> convince the courts otherwise.
>
Oh, good grief.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I suspect that he's hoping that he can sue somebody into licensing his
> patent.
Oh, Good Grief.
If you figure in shop costs ...and if you figure $35/hour...I guarantee the
$6000 won't seem pricy....
IMHO - Schroeder
"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
>
>
>
I'm working on a patent for something I'm calling the "glueless butt
joint". I am not going to tell you how it's done but I will give a hint:
It uses headed long cylindrical metal pieces which are inserted through
the joint by the impact from a piece of heavy iron on the end of a stick.
I also intend to patent the cylindrical metal pieces and the iron thingy
too. I just need to come up with a name.
-g
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in news:RZLyh.42159$Gr2.4404
@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net:
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> I suspect that he's hoping that he can sue somebody into licensing his
>> patent.
>
> Oh, Good Grief.
>
>
>
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:08:14 +0000 (UTC), Bruce Barnett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
>>Look at the grain direction [in the S2 table] and ask yourself about
>>how to accomplish the legs in natural timber.
>
>Isn't that just curly maple? I think the grain is going in the normal
>direction while the "waves" creates the illusion the grain is going in
>the opposite direction.
They claim it's cherry, and if it's "waves" note that they wrap around
the leg.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:19:18 -0800, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
>Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
>days or am I living in the past?
Nice figured wood, elegant, curved survaces and apparently traditional
joinery- I'm thinking you may be living in the past. While I wouldn't
feel right about charging someone that much for a piece like that
either, when you consider what a regular POS table costs, $6k is about
right for the increased quality and appearance that is obvious in that
table.
Then again, you can make it in a couple of days, so you're lucky in
that you don't have to care what someone else is charging for it
unless you want to! :)
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:19:18 -0800, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
>Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
>days or am I living in the past?
>
>
You think that this design is simple?
This is a piece of CNC origami.
Look at the grain direction and ask yourself about how to accomplish
the legs in natural timber.
Look at how the legs butt out on their interior edges to produce a
squared section for joinery.
Ask yourself why the stiffeners on the obverse of the top run in the
direction that they do, rather than the opposite.
It is an admirable visual concept containing a deceptive manufacturing
truth.
Regards,
Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:08:14 +0000 (UTC), Bruce Barnett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
>>Look at the grain direction [in the S2 table] and ask yourself about
>>how to accomplish the legs in natural timber.
>
>Isn't that just curly maple? I think the grain is going in the normal
>direction while the "waves" creates the illusion the grain is going in
>the opposite direction.
It's cherry, and I'm not talking about the figure, I'm talking about
the grain. The timber for the legs was selected to maximize the look
of the figure, rather than being selected for having grain run along
the curve. This creates a short-grain condition, particularly at the
bottom interior edge.
An even more exaggerated example of poor selection for grain direction
is in the forward stretcher.
The bump outs on the interior edge of the legs are needed to make this
overpriced piece of kit furniture able to be put together with those
silly sliding dovetails.
Regards,
Tom Watson
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
Tom Watson <[email protected]> wrote:
: On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:19:18 -0800, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
:>http://www.greendesigns.com/
:>
:>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
:>Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
:>days or am I living in the past?
:>
:>
: You think that this design is simple?
Pretty much, yah.
: Look at the grain direction and ask yourself about how to accomplish
: the legs in natural timber.
Lessee... figured cherry, 10/4, cut the curves on a bandsaw, finish
up with hand tools or a router and template. Keep the legs flat in one dimension
to keep the joinery simple.
: Look at how the legs butt out on their interior edges to produce a
: squared section for joinery.
Yes. A simplification to make it easier to build. A little less
finesse and style than would have occurred if the maker did
the joint with a continuous curve on the leg, and a joint to
fit that.
: It is an admirable visual concept containing a deceptive manufacturing
: truth.
No, it's a relatively simple design, made with very nice stock that
isn't very well matched through the piece, and priced about five
times over what a lot of other makers would charge.
But the guy did invent the sliding dovetail, so I guess he deserves it.
-- Andy Barss
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 17:04:43 +0000 (UTC), Bruce Barnett
<[email protected]> wrote:
>J. Clarke <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>>>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>>>
>>>>Look at the grain direction [in the S2 table] and ask yourself about
>>>>how to accomplish the legs in natural timber.
>>>
>>>Isn't that just curly maple? I think the grain is going in the normal
>>>direction while the "waves" creates the illusion the grain is going in
>>>the opposite direction.
>>
>> They claim it's cherry, and if it's "waves" note that they wrap around
>> the leg.
>
>Well, I should have said "rays" instead of waves. And I did note the
>rays wrapped around. Rays do that. It's very nice grain,
>Note also that the rays are more distinctive at the top than the bottom.
>I'm talking about the leg shown in this picture.
>
>http://www.greendesigns.com/images/dining/s2_dining_table_lg.jpg
>
>Come on. Do people seriously think the leg was cut from a cut from a 36
>inch wide, 6 inch long piece of cherry?
I don't. But it would appear that it is cut from a 6 inch wide 36"
long piece of cherry. Blowing it up reveals the true grain running up
the leg, with the curl stretching across it, exactly like every other
piece of figured wood I've ever used (except bird's eye, of course).
I fail to see where the confusion is here- though on further
reflection, and once it's been blown up, I take back what I said about
the design. Don't care for the way the aprons and stretchers are
flush with the legs on the ends, while they are recessed on the front
and back. Seems that they didn't spend much time matching the color
of the wood, either.
All a matter of personal taste, I guess.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 20:50:02 -0500, Joe Bleau <[email protected]>
wrote:
>His patent is no more than a sales gimmick, just like his "green"
>pitch (made from organically grown timber watered with pure,
>unadulterated spring water and grown in a bed of reclaimed plastic
>soda bottles; made in a shop heated only by the sun, and meticulously
>produced by environmentally correct woodworkers wearing only
>Birkenstocks and natural fiber aprons, working exclusively with tools
>produced from recycled car bumpers).
>
>You would not have to challenge his patent. Just reproduce what he
>has done and he would have to sue you to prove infringement. Then
>you could show that his "patent" is not worth a hoot.
That's the way it works in an ideal world. In the real world fending
him off costs.
> This joinery
>has been around for hundres and hundreds of years. It's pure American
>hucksterism and it sells.
>
>Joe
On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:40:10 -0500, Tom Watson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 05:19:18 -0800, "Jack" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>>
>>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
>>Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
>>days or am I living in the past?
>>
>>
>
>You think that this design is simple?
>
>This is a piece of CNC origami.
>
>Look at the grain direction and ask yourself about how to accomplish
>the legs in natural timber.
Eh?
>Look at how the legs butt out on their interior edges to produce a
>squared section for joinery.
From what I read this is so they can use a sliding dovetail. There's
no reason they couldn't CNC a curved joint if they wanted to.
>Ask yourself why the stiffeners on the obverse of the top run in the
>direction that they do, rather than the opposite.
I have no idea what those are for.
-Leuf
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:20:43 +0000 (UTC), Andrew Barss
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> priced about five
>times over what a lot of other makers would charge.
Not THAT is a statement!
If "a lot of other makers" sell that table for $1200, they deserve to
be broke.
$1200?? <G> Where are you live? I'll be there tomorrow to buy an
18 wheeler load of furniture to bring home and resell.
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:41:46 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Thu, Feb 8, 2007, 5:19am (EST-3) [email protected] (Jack) doth posteth:
>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at
>$6k? Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a
>couple of days or am I living in the past?
>
> Yeah, but how many are they selling at that price? Of course
>there's always someone with more money than brains.
>I betcha I could make a more money selling a gizmo at $100 each over
>trying to selling them at $1000 each.
Not if it cost you $101 to make it.
And if it cost you anywhere near $100 I strongly suspect you'd either
get tired of it or die of exhaustion before you reached that $900
profit you could have gotten finding that one person to buy it at
$1000.
Of course if they don't want it in yellow then it's going to cost them
a lot more than $100 anyway.
-Leuf
On 8 Feb 2007 09:35:48 -0800, "Pangloss" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>From their website:
>
>-->At Green Design Furniture, a method of manufacturing furniture was
>developed using the inherent strength of the wood itself to hold the
>furniture together. It is a system of interlocking joinery that allows
>the parts to slide and lock into each other, using full-length
>dovetailed connections. This innovative system, developed and patented
>by Douglas Green, virtually eliminates the use of screws, nuts, bolts,
>and other fasteners.
>
>What's innovative about sliding dovetails? It's rather presumptive to
>claim that they developed it. And how in the heck can you patent
>something that's been in common use for centuries?
>
>Anyhow, to do a one-off copy I reckon it would take me at least 40
>hours (not counting the design, picking up lumber and supplies, and
>fixing mistakes) and probably $500 US for supplies. Even if it took
>me 100 hours and I paid myself $50 per hour I'd still come out ahead
>of their price. On the other hand, you gotta figure in the cost of
>all of those tools, shop space, etc. Actually, at this point, there
>is no way my wife would permit spending that much money on the table
>when she knows that I could build one at much less (unless, of course,
>I sold my tools to pay for it)
How much is it going to cost you to convince the courts that his
patent is invalid?
His patent is no more than a sales gimmick, just like his "green"
pitch (made from organically grown timber watered with pure,
unadulterated spring water and grown in a bed of reclaimed plastic
soda bottles; made in a shop heated only by the sun, and meticulously
produced by environmentally correct woodworkers wearing only
Birkenstocks and natural fiber aprons, working exclusively with tools
produced from recycled car bumpers).
You would not have to challenge his patent. Just reproduce what he
has done and he would have to sue you to prove infringement. Then
you could show that his "patent" is not worth a hoot. This joinery
has been around for hundres and hundreds of years. It's pure American
hucksterism and it sells.
Joe
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 14:41:46 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:
>Thu, Feb 8, 2007, 5:19am (EST-3) [email protected] (Jack) doth posteth:
>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at
>$6k? Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a
>couple of days or am I living in the past?
>
> Yeah, but how many are they selling at that price? Of course
>there's always someone with more money than brains.
>I betcha I could make a more money selling a gizmo at $100 each over
>trying to selling them at $1000 each.
They guy's Web site says that he limits production to a thousand a
year.
He hasn't learned the adage "sell to the classes you'll live with the
masses, sell to the masses you'll live with the classes". And he
doesn't charge near enough for it to become a status symbol.
I suspect that he's hoping that he can sue somebody into licensing his
patent.
Tom Watson wrote:
>
> It is an admirable visual concept containing a deceptive manufacturing
> truth.
My brother-in-law's psychiatrist ex-girlfriend bought into this stuff
big time. It's factory furniture, unless you ask her. <G> She also
went in big for these folks: <http://www.pompy.com/furniture/>
I actually wasn't impressed with either company's work in person. I saw
it as higher priced institutional (library, Dr's office...) furniture,
and expected higher quality for what they get for it. As far as
higher-end factory furniture goes, I see a much higher quality from
Stickley, at a lower price.
I _am_ impressed with the marketing ability of Green and Pompanoosic, as
the local Pompanoosic store seems to move lots of stuff.
I was the OP and thanks for all the replies. Some of you guys are seeing the
construction in much more detail that I could ever imagined so your comments
are justified. However it wasn't my intention to duplicate an exact copy of
this table including interlocking joineries and other details but using it
as inspiration keeping the lines and shape clean and pleasing. I use a CAD
program and a size E plotter so full scale parts will be drawn such that
complicated geometry with compound curves and mating parts won't be much of
a problem - thanks to CAD, not my solid geometry skills. Also I will keep
things basic and without extension leaves. I'm sure I've underestimated the
time as usual for projects like this but I'm also sure it will go fast once
the pattern is fabricated if I decide to make more than one. For $6K I
rather spend it on more tools.
Prometheus <[email protected]> writes:
> I don't. But it would appear that it is cut from a 6 inch wide 36"
> long piece of cherry.
Yup.
> I fail to see where the confusion is here-
I suppose some people don't realize that curly grain is not just on
the surface.
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J. Clarke <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>>
>>>Look at the grain direction [in the S2 table] and ask yourself about
>>>how to accomplish the legs in natural timber.
>>
>>Isn't that just curly maple? I think the grain is going in the normal
>>direction while the "waves" creates the illusion the grain is going in
>>the opposite direction.
>
> They claim it's cherry, and if it's "waves" note that they wrap around
> the leg.
Well, I should have said "rays" instead of waves. And I did note the
rays wrapped around. Rays do that. It's very nice grain,
Note also that the rays are more distinctive at the top than the bottom.
I'm talking about the leg shown in this picture.
http://www.greendesigns.com/images/dining/s2_dining_table_lg.jpg
Come on. Do people seriously think the leg was cut from a cut from a 36
inch wide, 6 inch long piece of cherry?
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>>http://www.greendesigns.com/
>Look at the grain direction [in the S2 table] and ask yourself about
>how to accomplish the legs in natural timber.
Isn't that just curly maple? I think the grain is going in the normal
direction while the "waves" creates the illusion the grain is going in
the opposite direction.
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"Jack" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> http://www.greendesigns.com/
>
> I'm looking at the S2 dining table, its a clean design I like but at $6k?
> Why so pricey for something this simple that I could make in a couple of
> days or am I living in the past?
>
>
>
Make one yourself. If you can make one for less money considering the value
of your time and cost of materials you will be dollars ahead and for some
people, that would not be possible.
If you are a decent wood worker you may be way a head of the game building
it yourself. If you are not a wood worker, if you can explain why a
surgeon charges so much you might come up with a similar type answer.
Simple looking is very often a result of good planning and honed skills.
If everyone could do everything that everyone else does everything would be
dirt cheap.