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GrayFox

21/09/2003 2:28 PM

Shaker Box Wood Bending

I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
say 36".

The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
that the water in it can boil.

Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.


This topic has 12 replies

WK

WALT K

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 8:46 AM

how about gettign a section of rain gutter matreal and a couple end
caps ? or get a pice of ABS drain pipe 3" or 4 " and a end cap

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:28:02 GMT, GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote:

>I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
>hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
>two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
>say 36".
>
>The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
>that the water in it can boil.
>
>Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.

DW

"Doug Winterburn"

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 3:51 PM

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:15:55 -0700, hex wrote:

> I've never hot water bent (always used steam) and would be curious to
> know how you get along.

I made a herd of shaker baskets several years ago. Had a bathroom
adjacent to the back porch, so I soaked 'em in just a covering of hot
water for about an hour (replacing the hot water every 10 minutes or so)
and added boiling water about 10 minutes prior to running out the
back door with 'em and wrapping them around the styrofoam molds and duct
taping them. One out of six was just on the verge of cracking, but all
worked out well after allowing 3 days for drying here in AZ.

I did the final thicknessing on my RAS with a rotary planer, but that's
another story...

-Doug

BB

BRuce

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 1:21 PM

just finished a weekend of Shaker box making at the John Campbell folk
school and the instructer had a stainless tank that had a hinged cover.
he had it made at a local sheel metal shop in Atlanta. He also
suggested a length of metal rain gutter. I have also seen articles that
indicated the Shakers used room temp water but I can't confirm that.

BRuce

hex wrote:
> GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
>>hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
>>two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
>>say 36".
>>
>>The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
>>that the water in it can boil.
>>
>>Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.
>
>
> IF you are in a rural or pseudo-rural area I'd suggest finding an
> agriculture supply store (Tractor Supply Co, Fleet Farm etc are
> examples from the MidWest).
> Look in the section for feed troughs or ask them for suggestions.
> Otherwise, I would agree with a previously posted suggestion of
> getting some rain gutter.
>
> I've never hot water bent (always used steam) and would be curious to
> know how you get along.
>
> hex
> -30-

BB

"BurlaT3"

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 4:07 PM

I'm like hex here any bending I have ever done successfully has been with
steam. I take a big downspout or some other pipe to fit the stock put duct
tape over one end and wood inside and loose fit a rag in the open end. Then
I poke the hose from an old wallpaper steamer through the taped end and let
it steep. I made a box and put it on top of a woodstove in my shop but
never had any success with that. The steaming method has even bent 1"
walnut rope dowel for me and that is a hard bend (the short grain wants to
break off).

Good luck and happy bending!
"hex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
> > hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
> > two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
> > say 36".
> >
> > The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
> > that the water in it can boil.
> >
> > Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.
>
> IF you are in a rural or pseudo-rural area I'd suggest finding an
> agriculture supply store (Tractor Supply Co, Fleet Farm etc are
> examples from the MidWest).
> Look in the section for feed troughs or ask them for suggestions.
> Otherwise, I would agree with a previously posted suggestion of
> getting some rain gutter.
>
> I've never hot water bent (always used steam) and would be curious to
> know how you get along.
>
> hex
> -30-

Nn

Nova

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 6:14 PM

tastbits wrote:

> C'mon! You're a woodworker! Get some cdx plywood and make a box! Put
> in several screws at the joints and the wood will swell and keep the
> leakage to a minimum, or you can use epoxy for the joints, being sure
> to slather it on in critical areas (like corners). Epoxy has
> gap-filling properties which will fill small gaps (~1/16"), so it
> should work well.
>
> I bet you even have some scrap wood laying around which will work.

The original poster stated he wanted to boil water in the container.

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

JJ

JGS

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

23/09/2003 6:46 AM

Be careful Doug, You will just encourage Rumpty. JG

Doug Winterburn wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 06:15:55 -0700, hex wrote:
>
> > I've never hot water bent (always used steam) and would be curious to
> > know how you get along.
>
> I made a herd of shaker baskets several years ago. Had a bathroom
> adjacent to the back porch, so I soaked 'em in just a covering of hot
> water for about an hour (replacing the hot water every 10 minutes or so)
> and added boiling water about 10 minutes prior to running out the
> back door with 'em and wrapping them around the styrofoam molds and duct
> taping them. One out of six was just on the verge of cracking, but all
> worked out well after allowing 3 days for drying here in AZ.
>
> I did the final thicknessing on my RAS with a rotary planer, but that's
> another story...
>
> -Doug

DW

"Doug Winterburn"

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

23/09/2003 11:48 PM

On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 06:46:39 -0400, JGS wrote:

> Be careful Doug, You will just encourage Rumpty. JG

I was RASing when RASing was cool, but I had to go into the closet when it
became uncool. Rumpty, on the other hand, ain't no closet RASer :-)

-Doug (still counting to a full ten - on the fingers)

fh

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 6:15 AM

GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
> hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
> two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
> say 36".
>
> The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
> that the water in it can boil.
>
> Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.

IF you are in a rural or pseudo-rural area I'd suggest finding an
agriculture supply store (Tractor Supply Co, Fleet Farm etc are
examples from the MidWest).
Look in the section for feed troughs or ask them for suggestions.
Otherwise, I would agree with a previously posted suggestion of
getting some rain gutter.

I've never hot water bent (always used steam) and would be curious to
know how you get along.

hex
-30-

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Campney)

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 6:03 AM

GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
> hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
> two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
> say 36".
>
> The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
> that the water in it can boil.
>
> Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.

I was in the same boat and here's what I did. I got a piece of copper
flashing material from a local roofer and bent it into a U shape, cut
the ends, and soldered it together. A friend had a bending brake and
I used that to bend the material. I made mine 44 inches long and
about 4 inches deep by about 6 wide. I also put some hinges on it so
I could make a lid to hold the heat in. I use a couple of Walmart hot
plates to heat the water. Works pretty slick.

Regards

jt

[email protected] (tastbits)

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 8:49 AM

C'mon! You're a woodworker! Get some cdx plywood and make a box! Put
in several screws at the joints and the wood will swell and keep the
leakage to a minimum, or you can use epoxy for the joints, being sure
to slather it on in critical areas (like corners). Epoxy has
gap-filling properties which will fill small gaps (~1/16"), so it
should work well.

I bet you even have some scrap wood laying around which will work.

TT

Test Tickle

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

22/09/2003 12:30 PM

On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:28:02 GMT, GrayFox <[email protected]> wrote:

>I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
>hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
>two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
>say 36".
>
>The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
>that the water in it can boil.
>
>Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.

It's expensive, but John Wilson sells covered copper containers
specifically for Shaker box-making. He has a website with ordering
info.

tt

Rv

"RikC"

in reply to GrayFox on 21/09/2003 2:28 PM

21/09/2003 2:48 PM

I remember getting from HD some wallpaper tubs that were some comsiderable
length. I can't remember what length they were though.

HTH

rik

--

Padded room with a view
RWC3
"GrayFox" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am trying to locate containers to submerge long pieces of veneers in
> hot water. The depth is not all that critical, perhaps only an inch or
> two, but width and length, especially length needs to be longer then,
> say 36".
>
> The container must be water-tight, of course, and suitable to heating so
> that the water in it can boil.
>
> Any suggstions anyone has will be appreciated.


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