Out govt, apparently, has been fooled by industry representatives that our (USA) talent pool for scientists is so poor that we need more immigrants to fill the void.
http://news.yahoo.com/nasas-mohawk-guy-sit-first-lady-state-union-233517760.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-pushes-for-more-scientists-but-the-jobs-arent-there/2012/07/07/gJQAZJpQUW_story.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-UehKDyGi6Q
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rote:
> Out govt, apparently, has been fooled by industry representatives that ou=
r (USA) talent pool for scientists is so poor that we need more immigrants =
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> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=3Dplayer_embedded&v=3D-UehKDyGi6Q
From Yahoo article:
"The Iranian-American Mohawk Guy =97 whose name is Bobak Ferdowsi =97 will =
sit in the first lady's box to highlight President Barack Obama's call for =
more visas for skilled immigrants in the fields of math, science and engine=
ering, ..."
On 2/11/2013 10:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Out govt, apparently, has been fooled by industry representatives that our (USA) talent pool for scientists is so poor that we need more immigrants to fill the void.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/nasas-mohawk-guy-sit-first-lady-state-union-233517760.html
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-pushes-for-more-scientists-but-the-jobs-arent-there/2012/07/07/gJQAZJpQUW_story.html
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-UehKDyGi6Q
>
>
I've been living this for the last 10 years. I'm an IT person, I worked
in pharam , telecom, finance, all the jobs are going to my oversees
counterparts, or to the onshore foreigners. They are making way more
than me right now. I just moved from one position to another. The guy
that left went for a position paying way more than what I am making. I
heard he was not very good at his job, but that doesn't really matter
today. Its who you know, and the network that the Indians have is way
better than our networking.
I worked at Sanofi, I left because the CEO (new at the time) said he
wasn't going to be laying off people but two weeks later he gave the
Wall Street journal an interview and said he was cutting 50% of research
here in the US... he actually went further than that.
Its not the worker thats the problem. It's the management. They don't
want new drugs, they want to tweak what they have so they can get a new
patent. After a point, your can't tweak what you have any further, but
that's not their concern...
--
Jeff
On 2/11/2013 10:04 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> Its not the worker thats the problem. It's the management.
Bing_farking_Go!
I have been saying, for the better part of 30 years, that the MBA
programs in our colleges, where supposed business "wisdom/acumen" is
rarely, if ever, tested by actual practice/application, were instruments
for eventual failure, leading us away from a robust industrial and
manufacturing base.
Management competence is irrelevant in this world of "outsourcing" and
"acquisition" over innovation. Historically, the most effective managers
almost always come for the operational side; the worst, from the
financial and legal side ... more so, it appears, when qualifications
come solely from the progressive, ivory towers of academia.
Look at the decline of our industries and the jobless rate, and graph
that against the rise of academia tainted MBA-think, then offer me some
concrete proof that correlation and causation don't coincide in this
instance.
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> From Yahoo article:
>
> "The Iranian-American Mohawk Guy whose name is Bobak Ferdowsi
> will sit in the first lady's box to highlight President Barack
> Obama's call for more visas for skilled immigrants in the fields
> of math, science and engineering, ..."
>
The thing that *really* bothers me about this is that if you're
not a scientist or engineer, just somebody who's looking to make a
better life for himself in America as a bricklayer, carpenter, or
plumber... the door is slammed in your face. The door is open, and
the welcome mat is out, if you have an advanced degree in one of
the sciences, but if you have a trade instead of a profession,
our immigration laws say, in effect, "Stay home. We don't
need you. We don't want you."
We *need* carpenters, bricklayers, plumbers, mechanics,
electricians, roofers, landscape gardeners, farm laborers, and
garbage collectors, too, as much as -- or more than -- we need
doctors and engineers.
So why do we make it so damned difficult for both skilled and
unskilled tradesmen to come here legally? And why are we surprised
and upset when so many come here illegally?
It doesn't make sense.
On 2/11/2013 9:45 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:21:37 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> Out govt, apparently, has been fooled by industry representatives that our (USA) talent pool for scientists is so poor that we need more immigrants to fill the void.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/nasas-mohawk-guy-sit-first-lady-state-union-233517760.html
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-pushes-for-more-scientists-but-the-jobs-arent-there/2012/07/07/gJQAZJpQUW_story.html
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-UehKDyGi6Q
>
> From Yahoo article:
>
> "The Iranian-American Mohawk Guy whose name is Bobak Ferdowsi will sit in the first lady's box to highlight President Barack Obama's call for more visas for skilled immigrants in the fields of math, science and engineering, ..."
>
Birds if a feather..
On Monday, February 11, 2013 11:04:02 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/11/2013 10:21 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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our (USA) talent pool for scientists is so poor that we need more immigrant=
s to fill the void.
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e-scientists-but-the-jobs-arent-there/2012/07/07/gJQAZJpQUW_story.html
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> counterparts, or to the onshore foreigners. They are making way more=20
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> than me right now. I just moved from one position to another. The guy=20
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> that left went for a position paying way more than what I am making. I=20
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> today. Its who you know, and the network that the Indians have is way=20
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> better than our networking.
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> wasn't going to be laying off people but two weeks later he gave the=20
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> here in the US... he actually went further than that.
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> Jeff
What really bother me is the lie that is spread that we don't have the tale=
nt pool. The uninformed public has the opinion that bringing in more forei=
gn scientists is a good thing. Can't be further from the truth.
The article cited below does a good job at explaining why industry 'really'=
want more immigrants. Bill Gates use to be a huge cheerleader for more H1=
B visas. Anyone that goes into a science field today needs their head exam=
ined.
" If there is no shortage of high-tech workers, why would companies be push=
ing for more? Simple: workers under the H-1B program aren=92t like domestic=
workers =97 because they have to be sponsored by an employer, they are mor=
e or less indentured, tied to their job and whatever wage the employer deci=
des to give them.
Moreover, too many are paid at wages below the average for their occupation=
and location: over half of all H-1B guest workers are certified for wages =
in the bottom quarter of the wage scale. "
From:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/08/opinion/americas-genius-glut.html?_r=3D1&
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 19:45:33 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
wrote:
>On Monday, February 11, 2013 10:21:37 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> Out govt, apparently, has been fooled by industry representatives that our (USA) talent pool for scientists is so poor that we need more immigrants to fill the void.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://news.yahoo.com/nasas-mohawk-guy-sit-first-lady-state-union-233517760.html
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-pushes-for-more-scientists-but-the-jobs-arent-there/2012/07/07/gJQAZJpQUW_story.html
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-UehKDyGi6Q
>
>From Yahoo article:
>
>"The Iranian-American Mohawk Guy whose name is Bobak Ferdowsi will sit in the first lady's box to highlight President Barack Obama's call for more visas for skilled immigrants in the fields of math, science and engineering, ..."
My fave line was: "I understand there's a special Mohawk guy that's
working on the mission," President Obama said in a congratulatory call
to Curiosity's handlers at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory on Aug.
13. "He's been one of the many stars of the show last Sunday night. I
in the past thought about getting a Mohawk myself."
Too, too farkin' lame. Crom help us.
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necessity of producing has always been an enemy of the desire to create.
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