SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first exhibit we stopped
at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press.
This thing WORKS. About 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take
my money.
I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than ten minutes, and it worked in my
shop just as well as in the demo at the show. The website has a short video of the device in
action, and I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate depiction of its actual
performance.
$39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first exhibit we stopped
>at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press.
>This thing WORKS. About 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take
>my money.
>
>I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than ten minutes, and it worked in my
>shop just as well as in the demo at the show. The website has a short video of the device in
>action, and I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate depiction of its actual
>performance.
>
>$39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
It appears to be only available online and at WW shows. I suspect
there is a reason it's not sold at either Woodcraft or Rockler where
it could be easily returned for a refund, but I could be wrong.
This doesn't look so good:
http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/5370
I also suspect there is a reason that I couldn't find a single
"Drillnado" video that shows someone drilling all the way through the
middle of a piece of wood, instead of making 1/4" divots along the
edge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbDmW8G_tYU
Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 1/17/2016 5:06 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> On 1/17/2016 3:41 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what
>>>>>>> appears
>>>>>>> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8"
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger
>>>>>>> chunks of
>>>>>>> debris when drilling MDF.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a
>>>>>> 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
>>>>>> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the
>>>>> chips remain in the bellows,
>>>>> instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust
>>>>> collector -- the chips are
>>>>> just too big.
>>>>
>>>> Ohhhhhhh, so close...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than
>>>>> to sweep up chips
>>>>> that have gone flying all over the shop.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On a few probably, I often do 10+ holes at a time, I'm afraid the
>>>> bellows would fill up too often.... So my wife keeps her job of
>>>> holding the 4" DC hose next to the bit. ;~)
>>>
>>> I can tell you from some experience that not all wives are so
>>> accommodating. : )
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Have you not filled your home with furniture that you have built? That
>> might be the problem. ;~)
>>
>
> Yes, I thought of that. I almost have that "broken bathroom tile"
> adhered back to the wall. The pieces of the tile are glued together, I
> just need to scrub the adhesive off the wall and finish the job! Let's
> see if I can get it done tomorrow...
>
> Bill
>
>
Tell her you would already be finished if you had someone to hold the vac
hose to suck up the adhesive as you scrub it off. :-)
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first
> exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type
> of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing WORKS. About
> 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take
> my money.
>
> I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than
> ten minutes, and it worked in my shop just as well as in the demo at
> the show. The website has a short video of the device in action, and
> I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate depiction of its
> actual performance.
>
> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>
Warning: autoplaying video on that site.
Once set up, how long does it take to take the thing off and put it back
on? I use my drill press for both wood and metal, so I'd need to take it
off for drilling metal.
Puckdropper
On 1/17/2016 7:43 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>
> my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
>
> this seems like a solution looking for a problem
It's easy to detect a moron in a group, unfortunately,it's near
impossible to remove the moron from same.
Plonk!
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> It appears that the manifold remains attached and you simply remove
> the bellows. That probably only takes a few seconds.
> Further they recommend not using the DC to suck up metal shavings.
> You could leave everything in place and simply not turn on the
> collector.
They're talking sense there. Metal doesn't always come off in chips, but
often comes off in long strings that could easily clog a DC pipe. Also,
they tend to come off quite hot, which could melt the bellows.
Since the bellows pops off in just a few seconds, I can gain the benefit of
chip collection without losing the versatility of the drill press.
Puckdropper
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
> news:569bcb93$0$62781$c3e8da3 [email protected]:
>
>>
>> Once set up, how long does it take to take the thing off and put it
>> back on? I use my drill press for both wood and metal, so I'd need
>> to take it off for drilling metal.
>
> You can take the suction housing (the "accordion" part) off of the
> manifold in about two seconds.
Thanks Doug. I'll keep my eye out for one of those Drillnados.
Puckdropper
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
>
> not much to think thru that is what makes me wonder why anyone
> would buy one
>
>
> just adjust the rpms for your drill press because if you have wood
> flying all over your shop rpm is set too high
>
If you have wood flying all over the shop, you have bigger problems.
You need to call an exterminator to get rid of those darn woodchucks!
Hey you darn woodchucks, quit chucking my wood!
My DP does indeed produce dust as well as chips. With a larger bit like
a Forstner or spade bit, the amount of chips can be significant and
difficult to handle. I'm not sure the Drillnado will make it easy to
see the depth of the hole, but usually most large holes are done with
peck drilling anyway.
But if you haven't experienced the pile of chips all over the DP, you
have too little shop time under your belt. Go read the manual for your
tools, get some safety glasses, and make some wood into much smaller
hole-ridden pieces of wood.
Puckdropper
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:n7j3vm$ljc$2
@dont-email.me:
>
> seems reasonable for the wood to pile up
>
> the poster has the rpms too high because he has to sweep up the wood
> that goes all over the shop
Ok, I'm in a good mood today.
Wood goes all over my shop not because of it being tossed by the tools, but
because it hitches a ride on my shoes. I try to take steps to prevent
that, but unfortunately taking steps is what causes it in the first place!
Puckdropper
On 1/17/2016 9:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/16/2016 7:59 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first
>> exhibit we stopped
>> at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type of dust collection
>> shroud for the drill press.
>> This thing WORKS. About 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the
>> guy to shut up and take
>> my money.
>>
>> I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than
>> ten minutes, and it worked in my
>> shop just as well as in the demo at the show. The website has a short
>> video of the device in
>> action, and I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate
>> depiction of its actual
>> performance.
>>
>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>>
>
> When you look at the simplicity of it you have to wonder why it took so
> long for it to be available. I'll be getting one.
It looks great and I have been looking for something like this. I drill
100's of 1-3/8" holes to receive Euro style hinges.
Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using with
Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what appears
to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8" might
be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger chunks of
debris when drilling MDF.
Have you tried that out yet Doug?
On 1/17/2016 9:08 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> It appears that the manifold remains attached and you simply remove
>> the bellows. That probably only takes a few seconds.
>> Further they recommend not using the DC to suck up metal shavings.
>> You could leave everything in place and simply not turn on the
>> collector.
>
> They're talking sense there. Metal doesn't always come off in chips, but
> often comes off in long strings that could easily clog a DC pipe.
Oddly MDF does too.
On 1/18/2016 10:33 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:28:15 -0500
> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm doing something wrong. When I drill a hole the wood that was in
>> the hole comes out and piles up on top of the board. Evidently
>> you've been able to overcome this. Can you teach me your method?
>
> seems reasonable for the wood to pile up
>
> the poster has the rpms too high because he has to sweep up the wood
> that goes all over the shop
>
The problem with wood piling up is that it gets under then next piece
and or between the fence and the work. If you did this type work you
would know this. Additionally it is better for the debris to sling onto
the floor so that the above fact is less bothersome.
On 1/17/2016 8:02 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:43:02 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>>
>> my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
>>
>> this seems like a solution looking for a problem
>>
> When are you going to start wood working?
>
Too busy, teaching us, to get any work done.
On 1/18/2016 10:39 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
>
> not much to think thru that is what makes me wonder why anyone
> would buy one
>
>
> just adjust the rpms for your drill press because if you have wood flying
> all over your shop rpm is set too high
You do realize that you adjust RPM for better cuts, NOT to keep debris
from slinging.
On 1/17/2016 4:41 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>>
>> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
>> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>>
> It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the chips remain in the bellows,
> instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust collector -- the chips are
> just too big.
>
> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than to sweep up chips
> that have gone flying all over the shop.
>
I wonder if it would be different with a slightly slower feed or a
slightly stronger pull on the vacuum.
On 1/17/2016 5:06 PM, Bill wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 1/17/2016 3:41 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using
>>>>> with
>>>>> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what
>>>>> appears
>>>>> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8"
>>>>> might
>>>>> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger
>>>>> chunks of
>>>>> debris when drilling MDF.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>>>>
>>>> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a
>>>> 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
>>>> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>>>>
>>> It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the
>>> chips remain in the bellows,
>>> instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust
>>> collector -- the chips are
>>> just too big.
>>
>> Ohhhhhhh, so close...
>>
>>>
>>> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than
>>> to sweep up chips
>>> that have gone flying all over the shop.
>>>
>>
>> On a few probably, I often do 10+ holes at a time, I'm afraid the
>> bellows would fill up too often.... So my wife keeps her job of
>> holding the 4" DC hose next to the bit. ;~)
>
> I can tell you from some experience that not all wives are so
> accommodating. : )
>
>
Have you not filled your home with furniture that you have built? That
might be the problem. ;~)
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 1/16/16 6:59 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today.
>> The first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado"
>> (drillnado.com), a new type of dust collection shroud for the
>> drill press. This thing WORKS. About 30 seconds into the
>> demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take my money.
>>
[...]
>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>>
>
> Can I assume the thing can be pushed upwards out of the way for
> changing bits?
>
Actually, it's simplest to just remove the "accordion" from the part that attaches to the quill.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
>
> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using with
> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what appears
> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8" might
> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger chunks of
> debris when drilling MDF.
>
> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>
Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in news:569bcb93$0$62781$c3e8da3
[email protected]:
>
> Once set up, how long does it take to take the thing off and put it back
> on? I use my drill press for both wood and metal, so I'd need to take it
> off for drilling metal.
You can take the suction housing (the "accordion" part) off of the manifold in about two
seconds.
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>>
>> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using with
>> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what appears
>> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8" might
>> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger chunks of
>> debris when drilling MDF.
>>
>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>
> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>
It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the chips remain in the bellows,
instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust collector -- the chips are
just too big.
OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than to sweep up chips
that have gone flying all over the shop.
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote in news:KeedneV5O9GHpAHLnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> I wonder if it would be different with a slightly slower feed or a
> slightly stronger pull on the vacuum.
I tried a slower feed, and that only seemed to make the problem worse.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>
> my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
Neither does mine. My jointer and planer don't make "dust" either, but I still connect them to
my dust collector -- which does a fine job of collecting the chips those machines produce.
>
> this seems like a solution looking for a problem
Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
>
> not much to think thru that is what makes me wonder why anyone
> would buy one
"Why anyone would buy one" was instantly apparent to me, the moment I saw the device in
action -- just as it is similarly apparent that you have little or no experience using a drill
press.
>
> just adjust the rpms for your drill press because if you have wood flying
> all over your shop rpm is set too high
You apparently have no more acquaintance with hyperbole than you have with
woodworking equipment.
On 1/17/2016 3:49 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/17/16 1:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/17/2016 1:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>>>
>>> It appears to be only available online and at WW shows. I suspect
>>> there is a reason it's not sold at either Woodcraft or Rockler
>>> where it could be easily returned for a refund, but I could be
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> That $39.95 direct would probably be $69.95 or more from a retailer.
>>
>
> Not in this day and age. If that were the case, they wouldn't find a
> single retailer to carry their products. Most makers who also sell
> direct on the internet can't sell for less than MSLP due to their
> contracts with retailers. If the sell for less, it's certainly not a
> discount anywhere near your example. Why would any retailer carry a
> product knowing they will be undersold by its maker?
Well duh, they are NOT carrying it. Possibly because the seller is not
giving enough discount. I don't know the real cost so I cannot set a
MSRP, but the discounts have not changed much. Maybe it can retail for
$40, but that means the real cost is $10 or less.
Have you ever heard that jewelers make a 100% markup? My cousin the
jeweler laughs because things are 300% to 400%.
sometimes small guys don't know how to price and sell in the
marketplace. Mny years ago a guy was selling a battery powered starter
for model aircraft for $40. It was a nice sideline business and he sold
direct because there was not enough room for discount. My boss told him
that he was going to sell a better product at half the price so he
should be prepared for it. The guy laughed and said it could not be
done. Six month later our product hit the market. Pretty much
destroyed the other guy.
The difference? Matt thought in volume and projected larger sales at
the right price. He bought in quantity and got better pricing. He
invested in tooling to make a better product. If you want to be big,
yoou have to think big. Remains to be seen on this item. If his cost
is $20 or less, Rockler (and others) may carry it. If cost is $20 or
more, not going to happen.
On 1/17/2016 1:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>
>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>
> It appears to be only available online and at WW shows. I suspect
> there is a reason it's not sold at either Woodcraft or Rockler where
> it could be easily returned for a refund, but I could be wrong.
>
That $39.95 direct would probably be $69.95 or more from a retailer.
Typical pricing in that industry is a MSRP of 5X the actual cost to
manufacture. When I worked for a company in the hobby industry the
local shop bought from the distributor at 40% off list, the distributor
bought at 50% off list less another 10%.
On 1/17/2016 8:43 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>
> my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
>
> this seems like a solution looking for a problem
>
I'm doing something wrong. When I drill a hole the wood that was in the
hole comes out and piles up on top of the board. Evidently you've been
able to overcome this. Can you teach me your method?
On 1/18/2016 8:16 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
>>
>> not much to think thru that is what makes me wonder why anyone
>> would buy one
>
> "Why anyone would buy one" was instantly apparent to me, the moment I saw the device in
> action -- just as it is similarly apparent that you have little or no experience using a drill
> press.
>>
>> just adjust the rpms for your drill press because if you have wood flying
>> all over your shop rpm is set too high
>
> You apparently have no more acquaintance with hyperbole than you have with
> woodworking equipment.
>
Careful Doug, he does not care about anyone's point of view but his own.
He does not care to learn or know what is right or wrong. And respect
is one of those words that he never learned. He is often caught off
guard as he will not answer relatively simple questions directed at him.
He wants us all to play his game his way or not a all, and that Ain't
happening.
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>That $39.95 direct would probably be $69.95 or more from a retailer.
Or not:
http://www.infinitytools.com/Drillnado-Drill-Press-Dust-Collection-System/productinfo/115-120/
http://www.eagleamerica.com/product/v415-8050/dust_collection
http://woodworker.com/drillnado-drill-press-dust-hood-kit-mssu-170-123.asp
On 1/17/2016 3:41 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using with
>>> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what appears
>>> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8" might
>>> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger chunks of
>>> debris when drilling MDF.
>>>
>>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>>
>> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
>> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>>
> It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the chips remain in the bellows,
> instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust collector -- the chips are
> just too big.
Ohhhhhhh, so close...
>
> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than to sweep up chips
> that have gone flying all over the shop.
>
On a few probably, I often do 10+ holes at a time, I'm afraid the
bellows would fill up too often.... So my wife keeps her job of holding
the 4" DC hose next to the bit. ;~)
BUT THANKS for the follow up!
On 1/17/2016 2:49 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/17/16 1:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 1/17/2016 1:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>>>
>>> It appears to be only available online and at WW shows. I suspect
>>> there is a reason it's not sold at either Woodcraft or Rockler
>>> where it could be easily returned for a refund, but I could be
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> That $39.95 direct would probably be $69.95 or more from a retailer.
>>
>
> Not in this day and age. If that were the case, they wouldn't find a
> single retailer to carry their products. Most makers who also sell
> direct on the internet can't sell for less than MSLP due to their
> contracts with retailers. If the sell for less, it's certainly not a
> discount anywhere near your example. Why would any retailer carry a
> product knowing they will be undersold by its maker?
Yeah I agree with that. Typically the manufacturer sells at retail to
fill the gap when there is not a retailer supplying the product. The
plus side for the manufacturer is they they increase their GP. The
minus side is that cost of distribution goes up.
>
> Fastcap is one example. They have a healthy e-sales presence on their
> website, but also sell to Woodcraft, Rockler, etc. They are generally
> not under their retailers prices on their website. When they are it's
> negligible and would be negated by having to pay shipping. When they
> are selling something at a huge discount, it's because it's discontinued
> or a scratch-n-dent deal.
>
>
On 1/16/16 6:59 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first exhibit we stopped
> at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press.
> This thing WORKS. About 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take
> my money.
>
> I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than ten minutes, and it worked in my
> shop just as well as in the demo at the show. The website has a short video of the device in
> action, and I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate depiction of its actual
> performance.
>
> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>
Can I assume the thing can be pushed upwards out of the way for changing
bits?
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On 1/17/16 1:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 1/17/2016 1:51 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>
>>>
>>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>>
>> It appears to be only available online and at WW shows. I suspect
>> there is a reason it's not sold at either Woodcraft or Rockler
>> where it could be easily returned for a refund, but I could be
>> wrong.
>>
>
> That $39.95 direct would probably be $69.95 or more from a retailer.
>
Not in this day and age. If that were the case, they wouldn't find a
single retailer to carry their products. Most makers who also sell
direct on the internet can't sell for less than MSLP due to their
contracts with retailers. If the sell for less, it's certainly not a
discount anywhere near your example. Why would any retailer carry a
product knowing they will be undersold by its maker?
Fastcap is one example. They have a healthy e-sales presence on their
website, but also sell to Woodcraft, Rockler, etc. They are generally
not under their retailers prices on their website. When they are it's
negligible and would be negated by having to pay shipping. When they
are selling something at a huge discount, it's because it's discontinued
or a scratch-n-dent deal.
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Leon wrote:
> On 1/17/2016 3:41 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using
>>>> with
>>>> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what
>>>> appears
>>>> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8"
>>>> might
>>>> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger
>>>> chunks of
>>>> debris when drilling MDF.
>>>>
>>>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>>>
>>> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a
>>> 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
>>> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>>>
>> It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the
>> chips remain in the bellows,
>> instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust
>> collector -- the chips are
>> just too big.
>
> Ohhhhhhh, so close...
>
>>
>> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than
>> to sweep up chips
>> that have gone flying all over the shop.
>>
>
> On a few probably, I often do 10+ holes at a time, I'm afraid the
> bellows would fill up too often.... So my wife keeps her job of
> holding the 4" DC hose next to the bit. ;~)
I can tell you from some experience that not all wives are so
accommodating. : )
>
> BUT THANKS for the follow up!
>
>
Leon wrote:
> On 1/17/2016 5:06 PM, Bill wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/17/2016 3:41 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>>> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in news:FM-dnc9JlPAqJwbLnZ2dnUU7-
>>>>> [email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Digging a little further on the website it does not recommend using
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> Forstner bits larger than 1-1/2" as the shavings will clog what
>>>>>> appears
>>>>>> to be the manifold. I'm wondering if a 1/8" smaller hole, 1-3/8"
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be problematic. Drilling that sized hole creates even bigger
>>>>>> chunks of
>>>>>> debris when drilling MDF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have you tried that out yet Doug?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Not yet, but I will. The demo at the WW Show used what looked like a
>>>>> 1" or maybe 1-1/8"
>>>>> Forstner, and the unit collected almost 100% of the chips.
>>>>>
>>>> It doesn't work all that well with a 1-3/8" Forstner: most of the
>>>> chips remain in the bellows,
>>>> instead of being sucked up through the manifold and into the dust
>>>> collector -- the chips are
>>>> just too big.
>>>
>>> Ohhhhhhh, so close...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than
>>>> to sweep up chips
>>>> that have gone flying all over the shop.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On a few probably, I often do 10+ holes at a time, I'm afraid the
>>> bellows would fill up too often.... So my wife keeps her job of
>>> holding the 4" DC hose next to the bit. ;~)
>>
>> I can tell you from some experience that not all wives are so
>> accommodating. : )
>>
>>
>
> Have you not filled your home with furniture that you have built? That
> might be the problem. ;~)
>
Yes, I thought of that. I almost have that "broken bathroom tile"
adhered back to the wall. The pieces of the tile are glued together, I
just need to scrub the adhesive off the wall and finish the job! Let's
see if I can get it done tomorrow...
Bill
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
this seems like a solution looking for a problem
On 1/17/16 7:43 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>
> my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
>
What do you call the stuff that is produced by a saw blade?
It's commonly referred to as sawdust, no matter how fine a size it is.
> this seems like a solution looking for a problem
>
It's clear to everyone by that statement you've never used a drill press
before.
Just about any person who has used a drill press for longer than am hour
has devised some way to hook up a hose from their shop vac or dust
collector because of all the swarf, shavings, chips, filings, or
whatever else anyone who's not an overly-semantic bonehead would
consider synonymous with the word sawdust.
I have yet to run across any woodworker on this planet who calls the
vacuum producing machine that is piped to different woodworking tools in
order to suck up all the previously mentioned waste byproducts produced
by those tools anything other than a "dust" collector.
Two words of advice:
1. Better to be silent and considered a fool than open your mouth a
remove all doubt.
2. Discover punctuation.
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Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>
> my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
>
> this seems like a solution looking for a problem
>
>
You sir, are a problem looking for a solution. Kill files may just be
the only appropriate solution to your thoughts...
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[email protected]
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 10:31:12 -0500
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> When you look at the simplicity of it you have to wonder why it took
> so long for it to be available. I'll be getting one.
drillnado is marketed to dazzle clueless noobs
if you can't dazzle them with brilliance
baffle them with bullshit
there is a sucker born every minute p t barnum
a foole & his money
be soone at debate
which after with sorow
repents him too late thomas tusser 1573
smh
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:41:19 -0000 (UTC)
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> OTOH, it's easier to dump the bellows out into the wastebasket than
> to sweep up chips that have gone flying all over the shop.
if i had to sweep up the chips maybe it makes sense
but the shop vac takes a few seconds
also if the chips are flying all over the shop you probably have the rpms
set too high on your drill press
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 22:28:15 -0500
Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm doing something wrong. When I drill a hole the wood that was in
> the hole comes out and piles up on top of the board. Evidently
> you've been able to overcome this. Can you teach me your method?
seems reasonable for the wood to pile up
the poster has the rpms too high because he has to sweep up the wood
that goes all over the shop
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
not much to think thru that is what makes me wonder why anyone
would buy one
just adjust the rpms for your drill press because if you have wood flying
all over your shop rpm is set too high
On 1/18/16 10:39 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 12:57:28 -0000 (UTC)
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps you haven't thought this through all the way?
>
> not much to think thru that is what makes me wonder why anyone
> would buy one
>
>
> just adjust the rpms for your drill press because if you have wood flying
> all over your shop rpm is set too high
>
While you're reading up on how to use punctuation, perhaps you could
look up the word "hyperbole" as well.
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Leon wrote:
>
>> On a few probably, I often do 10+ holes at a time, I'm afraid the
>> bellows would fill up too often.... So my wife keeps her job of
>> holding the 4" DC hose next to the bit. ;~)
>>>> I can tell you from some experience that not all wives are so
>>>> accommodating. : )
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Have you not filled your home with furniture that you have built? That
>>> might be the problem. ;~)
>>>
>> Yes, I thought of that. I almost have that "broken bathroom tile"
>> adhered back to the wall. The pieces of the tile are glued together, I
>> just need to scrub the adhesive off the wall and finish the job! Let's
>> see if I can get it done tomorrow...
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
> Tell her you would already be finished if you had someone to hold the vac
> hose to suck up the adhesive as you scrub it off. :-)
She doesn't understand that "companionship" on these sort of chores goes
a long way.
But then she brings up things like laundry... ; )
Anyway, this is a good reminder of this task that I could do today!
Bill
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 17:43:02 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:59:56 -0000 (UTC)
>Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The
>> first exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a
>> new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing
>
>my drill press does not make dust unless i have the sanding spindle on
>
>this seems like a solution looking for a problem
>
When are you going to start wood working?
On 1/16/2016 7:59 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first exhibit we stopped
> at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type of dust collection shroud for the drill press.
> This thing WORKS. About 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take
> my money.
>
> I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than ten minutes, and it worked in my
> shop just as well as in the demo at the show. The website has a short video of the device in
> action, and I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate depiction of its actual
> performance.
>
> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>
When you look at the simplicity of it you have to wonder why it took so
long for it to be available. I'll be getting one.
On 1/17/2016 11:12 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> SWMBO and I visited the Indianapolis Woodworking Show today. The first
>> exhibit we stopped at was the "Drillnado" (drillnado.com), a new type
>> of dust collection shroud for the drill press. This thing WORKS. About
>> 30 seconds into the demonstration I told the guy to shut up and take
>> my money.
>>
>> I just finished installing and testing it. Installation took less than
>> ten minutes, and it worked in my shop just as well as in the demo at
>> the show. The website has a short video of the device in action, and
>> I'll attest that the video is a completely accurate depiction of its
>> actual performance.
>>
>> $39.95 and IMHO worth every penny.
>>
>
> Warning: autoplaying video on that site.
>
> Once set up, how long does it take to take the thing off and put it back
> on? I use my drill press for both wood and metal, so I'd need to take it
> off for drilling metal.
>
> Puckdropper
>
It appears that the manifold remains attached and you simply remove the
bellows. That probably only takes a few seconds.
Further they recommend not using the DC to suck up metal shavings. You
could leave everything in place and simply not turn on the collector.