I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing
nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and
I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
nail or.....................
I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
TIA.
Dick Snyder
try cutting the head of a trim nail with side cutters and chucking it in
your drill, The nail will drill fine and the hole will always be the right
size. -dave
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
>>> one
>>> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
>> pilot
>>> hole.
>>
>> That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not
>> a
>> drill bit.
>
>
> Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.
>
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >>
> >
> > Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice
> >
> Actually with finish nail sized nails, they go through with not much effort
> at all. The key is to use a corded drill that will spin the nail quickly.
>
>
The real problem with using a nail is that it denies one the pleasure of buying the proper tool for the job<g>
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
>carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
>project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
>and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing
>nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and
>I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
>nail or.....................
>
>I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
>brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
>for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
>
>TIA.
>
>Dick Snyder
>
just glue and clamps is better.
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head
off
> > one
> > > > of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your
> > > pilot
> > > > hole.
> > >
> > > That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is
not
> a
> > > drill bit.
> > >
> >
> > Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly
> > after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop
> warm.
> > It actually works very well
>
> But not as well as a drill bit
>
>
Yeahbut the difference in the way a finishing nail will drill in and the way
a bit will drill in isn't worth the mention.
--
-Mike-
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> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head
off
> > >> one
> > >> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your
> > > pilot
> > >> hole.
> > >
> > > That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is
not
> a
> > > drill bit.
> >
> >
> > Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.
> >
> >
>
> Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice
>
Actually, this works very well. I do it all the time in hickory and it's
harder than oak.
Bryan
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
one
> > of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
> pilot
> > hole.
>
> That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
> drill bit.
>
Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly
after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop warm.
It actually works very well.
--
-Mike-
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Practice your hammering technique, cheap 3d nails bend easily.
Dave
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
>carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
>project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
>and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
>finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of
>them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using
>a different nail or.....................
>
> I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
> brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
> for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> But not as well as a drill bit
Here we go again, Actually better than a drill bit in small sizes. The
small drill bits tend to load up with debris and you have to clean them out.
This is not a problem with spinning a small nail.
Battleax wrote:
>> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the
>>>>> head off one
>>>>> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
>>>>> your pilot hole.
>>>>
>>>> That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail
>>>> is not a drill bit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor
>> practice
Seen it recommended often enough.
Josie
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
>> one
>> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
> pilot
>> hole.
>
> That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
> drill bit.
Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
>carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
>project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
>and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
>finishing nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of
>them bent and I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using
>a different nail or.....................
>
> I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
> brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
> for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
USE GLUE and drill the holes a bit undersized AND all the way through.
You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one
of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot
hole.
Preston
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
> carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
> project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
> and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
finishing
> nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
and
> I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
> nail or.....................
>
> I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
> brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
> for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick Snyder
>
>
>From: "Preston Andreas" [email protected]
> Cut the head off one
>of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your pilot
>hole.
My thunder is almost gone, but hard
trim nails work better than regular,
and you can grind the head off easier
than cutting it.
Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving them
home.
"igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
>>carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
>>project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
>>and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
>>finishing
>>nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
>>and
>>I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
>>nail or.....................
>>
>>I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
>>brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
>>for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
>>
>
> Have you considered a nail spinner?
> http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374
>
"Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off one
> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
pilot
> hole.
That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not a
drill bit.
>
> Preston
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
> > carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
> > project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of
furniture
> > and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
> finishing
> > nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
> and
> > I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
> > nail or.....................
> >
> > I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
> > brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this
problem
> > for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
> >
> > TIA.
> >
> > Dick Snyder
> >
> >
>
>
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
> problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving
them
> home.
Nailspinner is useless. Just drill the pilot hole larger or deeper as
needed.
This is pretty simple stuff here guys
> "igor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
> >>carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
> >>project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of
furniture
> >>and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D
> >>finishing
> >>nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent
> >>and
> >>I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
> >>nail or.....................
> >>
> >>I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
> >>brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this
problem
> >>for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
> >>
> >
> > Have you considered a nail spinner?
> > http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374
> >
>
>
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >
> > > "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > >> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head
off
> > >> one
> > >> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill
your
> > > pilot
> > >> hole.
> > >
> > > That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is
not
> a
> > > drill bit.
> >
> >
> > Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.
> >
> >
>
> Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice
>
>
Not real hard at all. Poor practice? Why would you say such a thing?
--
-Mike-
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"Al Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> The real problem with using a nail is that it denies one the pleasure
> of buying the proper tool for the job<g>
>
which is a Porter Cable Air Powered Brad Nailah....<g>
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>
> Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice
>
Actually with finish nail sized nails, they go through with not much effort
at all. The key is to use a corded drill that will spin the nail quickly.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
> one
> > > of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
> > pilot
> > > hole.
> >
> > That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not
a
> > drill bit.
> >
>
> Never tried it, have you? This has been a common practice since shortly
> after man invented fire and used it to keep his Neanderthal wood shop
warm.
> It actually works very well
But not as well as a drill bit
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:33:47 -0400, "Eric Ryder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I've found the spinners handy for installing oak stair treads for 20
>years.... I guess I could have saved 3 or 4 years if I hadn't been using
>it?
>
Thanks, Eric. Much better than a rejoinder from me.
That being said, I do know some people do not like them. A friend I loaned
mine to recently did not like it when installing shoe moulding. As is
said, YMMV. -- Igor
"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Looks like a nail spinner is a device to prevent splitting. I solved that
>> problem with pilot holes but my problem was nails bending while driving
> them
>> home.
>
> Nailspinner is useless. Just drill the pilot hole larger or deeper as
> needed.
snip
I've found the spinners handy for installing oak stair treads for 20
years.... I guess I could have saved 3 or 4 years if I hadn't been using
it?
Pretty standard trim carpenter trick if waxed nails don't work.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Keep the whole world singing . . . .
DanG (remove the sevens)
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"Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the
>> head off one
>> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to
>> drill your
> pilot
>> hole.
>
> That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a
> nail is not a
> drill bit.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Preston
>> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> > I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of
>> > the plywood
>> > carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on
>> > another
>> > project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece
>> > of
> furniture
>> > and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue
>> > and 3D
>> finishing
>> > nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of
>> > them bent
>> and
>> > I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using
>> > a different
>> > nail or.....................
>> >
>> > I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan
>> > on buying a
>> > brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve
>> > this
> problem
>> > for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
>> >
>> > TIA.
>> >
>> > Dick Snyder
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:35:19 -0400, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am building Norm's router table. He finshes the edges of the plywood
>carcass with 3/4" x 3/4" oak trim. I have done this before on another
>project but I glued and clamped it. Since this is not a piece of furniture
>and there was a lot of trim to put on I decided to use glue and 3D finishing
>nails. I drilled pilot holes for each of the nails but 50% of them bent and
>I had to do them again. I wonder if I should have been using a different
>nail or.....................
>
>I'd appreciate your suggestions for the future. I don't plan on buying a
>brad nailer anytime soon so I need to figure out how to solve this problem
>for the next project I do that needs nailing through oak.
>
Have you considered a nail spinner?
http://acmehardware.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=4337374
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Battleax" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > "Preston Andreas" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >> You are using the wrong bit to drill the pilot hole. Cut the head off
> >> one
> >> of the finish nails, chuck it into your drill and use it to drill your
> > pilot
> >> hole.
> >
> > That's quite absurd. A nail will not drill into solid oak, a nail is not
a
> > drill bit.
>
>
> Quite quickly will the nail will spin through the wood.
>
>
Sure it will go through if you push hard enough, but it's poor practice