There was a recent thread here on the wrek about the dust collector cyclones
which are available on ebay. They are currently available here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4380934803
&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
I haven't seen a report here yet from any testers, so here goes the first.
I just finished installing mine tonight. I don't have an extensive
conclusion on the efficiency of the unit. More time will be needed for
that. But I have formed opinions that some may find useful.
** The Purchase **
Grade = A
The gentleman, ebay ID eastcaroga, answered my questions promptly. I asked
him if he could build a unit with reverse rotation, because it fit my shop
layout better, and how much $ to do so. No extra charge for that which was
a pleasant surprise. He also accurately quoted the shipping costs and
carrier. He is listing these in quantities of, usually, 50 units. He may
have a few in stock but I believe he is building them to order. There are
two sizes available and you can select either at no extra cost.
Incidentally, I chose the smaller size.
** Delivery **
Grade = B
From the day I purchased, and immediately paid via Paypal, it was 17 days to
my door. Considering my special request of a reverse unit, I think that was
fair. The only complication was the Fedex tracking number. I had to
request it to get that, he gave me an incorrect number (seemed to be an
honest typo), and that had me concerned for a few days. But in the end I
was reasonably satisfied. I have certainly dealt with more attentive ebay
dealers, but with worse as well.
** Packaging **
Grade = C
A single thickness C-flute box, with inserts on each end to hold the unit
centered in the box. This is inadequate for a piece this size. No packing
between the unit and box at all, except for these inserts. The box was
damaged by Fedex, but no damage to the unit which was just plain lucky.
This is the kind of packaging where, as a shipper, you are expecting some
loss but are willing to accept the risk. Assuming he would make it right,
or insured it (I'm not sure if it was insured, did not check or ask). That
makes sense to a seller, but is a PITA for an unlucky buyer. On my route,
Fedex Ground is inferior to UPS, so I am sensitive to this and have had
stuff damaged in the past. The piece should have been wrapped in a
corrugated paper sheet at the least.
** Quality of Construction **
Grade = B
As someone who knows good metalwork when I see it, or do it, I am being
generous with this grade. The metal forming was fair, the soldering was
poor in appearance. The funnel portion is soldered to the round body, the
inlets and outlets are soldered. The seam up the side of the round body and
the top panel to the body are rolled and crimped. These seams were not air
tight and in fact at one point where the seams came together there was about
a 1/8" hole. So a tube of silicone caulk will definitely be needed. Still,
the construction speaks of the effort put into making an affordable unit and
this raises the grade from a C to a B. From a distance, with a less
critical eye, the unit looks good on my wall.
** Design **
Grade = A (excluding efficiency, and unknown at this point)
There are things that would have made it much easier to install. For
example, on the small unit that I bought, a 6" outlet in the top just
complicates the connection to a 4" duct system. Since the size of this unit
is appropriate for a 4" duct system, I don't know why they did this. But
the design makes use of standard sheet metal duct patterns and I am sure
they go together easily for the manufacturer. I appreciate economy of
design and so I give this a thumbs up.
** Efficiency **
Grade withheld
Like I said, too soon and not enough dust through the system. However, I
had about a cubic foot of dust in my Unisaw cabinet which I stirred up and
sent through the DC system. I cannot tell that any of it got past the
cyclone. But whether it did or not would not mean much except that, it
looks promising and I expect it will be pretty good.
That's all for now. I will get some pics up when I have time. Meanwhile,
if anyone is considering the purchase I will be happy to answer any
questions.
--
Bill Pounds
http://www.billpounds.com/woodshop
In article <[email protected]>,
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:25:49 -0700, the inscrutable "Pounds on Wood"
><[email protected]> spake:
>
>>
>>There was a recent thread here on the wrek about the dust collector cyclones
>>which are available on ebay. They are currently available here:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4380934803
>>&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>>
>>I haven't seen a report here yet from any testers, so here goes the first.
>>
>>I just finished installing mine tonight. I don't have an extensive
>>conclusion on the efficiency of the unit. More time will be needed for
>>that. But I have formed opinions that some may find useful.
>
>You get an A for the nice, clear, detailed report.
>
>
>>** The Purchase **
>>Grade = A
>>The gentleman, ebay ID eastcaroga, answered my questions promptly. I asked
>>him if he could build a unit with reverse rotation, because it fit my shop
>>layout better, and how much $ to do so.
>
>Ohmigod, you'll kill us all! Reverse rotation is only meant for the
>units sent to Australia. Running one like that up here in the Northern
>Hemisphere will cause repercussions in the Chaos Layer and bring
>storms the likes of which you've never seen! Ooh, we're all gonna die!
>;)
Not only that, but he *will* get dust explosions if he grounds it. *snicker*
"Pounds on Wood" <[email protected]> writes:
>** Packaging **
>Grade = C
>A single thickness C-flute box, with inserts on each end to hold the unit
>centered in the box. This is inadequate for a piece this size. No packing
>between the unit and box at all, except for these inserts. The box was
>damaged by Fedex, but no damage to the unit which was just plain lucky.
>This is the kind of packaging where, as a shipper, you are expecting some
>loss but are willing to accept the risk. Assuming he would make it right,
>or insured it (I'm not sure if it was insured, did not check or ask). That
Shipping insurance isn't going to pay out if the item was not adequately
packaged. It sounds like the packaging was not adequate.
UPS is very picky on packaging for damaged items.
Brian Elfert
In article <rfNge.19071$Fn1.15851@trnddc03>, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Making you crap your drawers would make it a Medical Device and require
> Approval by the FDA. Plus, I think he'd need to be licensed and at least
> get a permit from the county.
And Lee Valley wouldn't be able to sell it in Alberta.
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 20:25:49 -0700, the inscrutable "Pounds on Wood"
<[email protected]> spake:
>
>There was a recent thread here on the wrek about the dust collector cyclones
>which are available on ebay. They are currently available here:
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11704&item=4380934803
>&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
>
>I haven't seen a report here yet from any testers, so here goes the first.
>
>I just finished installing mine tonight. I don't have an extensive
>conclusion on the efficiency of the unit. More time will be needed for
>that. But I have formed opinions that some may find useful.
You get an A for the nice, clear, detailed report.
>** The Purchase **
>Grade = A
>The gentleman, ebay ID eastcaroga, answered my questions promptly. I asked
>him if he could build a unit with reverse rotation, because it fit my shop
>layout better, and how much $ to do so.
Ohmigod, you'll kill us all! Reverse rotation is only meant for the
units sent to Australia. Running one like that up here in the Northern
Hemisphere will cause repercussions in the Chaos Layer and bring
storms the likes of which you've never seen! Ooh, we're all gonna die!
;)
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
> >Ohmigod, you'll kill us all! Reverse rotation is only meant for the
> >units sent to Australia. Running one like that up here in the Northern
> >Hemisphere will cause repercussions in the Chaos Layer and bring
> >storms the likes of which you've never seen! Ooh, we're all gonna die!
> >;)
>
> Not only that, but he *will* get dust explosions if he grounds it.
> *snicker*
Jeeezzz.i....t is a reverse rotation unit, so grounding it won't help.
What will help, is a positive 17,000 volt DC charge on the duct-work. A
simple fly-back transformer from an old TV and some high voltage diodes
will do the trick. The side benefit is that every time you touch it,
you'll be reminded that this is indeed a reverse rotation device, just
before you lose all muscle control and crap your drawers.
Woodworking cannot be made more enjoyable.
On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:28:39 GMT, Lobby Dosser
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >Ohmigod, you'll kill us all! Reverse rotation is only meant for the
>>> >units sent to Australia. Running one like that up here in the
>>> >Northern Hemisphere will cause repercussions in the Chaos Layer and
>>> >bring storms the likes of which you've never seen! Ooh, we're all
>>> >gonna die! ;)
>>>
>>> Not only that, but he *will* get dust explosions if he grounds it.
>>> *snicker*
>>
>> Jeeezzz.i....t is a reverse rotation unit, so grounding it won't help.
>> What will help, is a positive 17,000 volt DC charge on the duct-work.
>> A simple fly-back transformer from an old TV and some high voltage
>> diodes will do the trick. The side benefit is that every time you
>> touch it, you'll be reminded that this is indeed a reverse rotation
>> device, just before you lose all muscle control and crap your drawers.
>
>Making you crap your drawers would make it a Medical Device and require
>Approval by the FDA. Plus, I think he'd need to be licensed and at least
>get a permit from the county.
>
As well as an effluent and hazardous waste discharge permit from the EPA,
plus a remediation plan ...
>>
>> Woodworking cannot be made more enjoyable.
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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it looks ok but the inlet and outlet are too small a lot of loss there. 4" is
not big enough if you have much of a pipe run. catching the fine sawdust takes a
lot of air movement.
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Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>> >Ohmigod, you'll kill us all! Reverse rotation is only meant for the
>> >units sent to Australia. Running one like that up here in the
>> >Northern Hemisphere will cause repercussions in the Chaos Layer and
>> >bring storms the likes of which you've never seen! Ooh, we're all
>> >gonna die! ;)
>>
>> Not only that, but he *will* get dust explosions if he grounds it.
>> *snicker*
>
> Jeeezzz.i....t is a reverse rotation unit, so grounding it won't help.
> What will help, is a positive 17,000 volt DC charge on the duct-work.
> A simple fly-back transformer from an old TV and some high voltage
> diodes will do the trick. The side benefit is that every time you
> touch it, you'll be reminded that this is indeed a reverse rotation
> device, just before you lose all muscle control and crap your drawers.
Making you crap your drawers would make it a Medical Device and require
Approval by the FDA. Plus, I think he'd need to be licensed and at least
get a permit from the county.
>
> Woodworking cannot be made more enjoyable.
On Thu, 12 May 2005 05:49:46 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>Ohmigod, you'll kill us all! Reverse rotation is only meant for the
>units sent to Australia. Running one like that up here in the Northern
>Hemisphere will cause repercussions in the Chaos Layer and bring
>storms the likes of which you've never seen! Ooh, we're all gonna die!
>;)
It's like buying an odd number of clamps. Shudder. Just the thought of
that makes my skin crawl.
--
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net
Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2005 18:28:39 GMT, Lobby Dosser
> <[email protected]> wrote:
snip
>>Making you crap your drawers would make it a Medical Device and
>>require Approval by the FDA. Plus, I think he'd need to be licensed
>>and at least get a permit from the county.
>>
>
> As well as an effluent and hazardous waste discharge permit from the
> EPA,
> plus a remediation plan ...
LOL!