"The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
(major tools only, didn't include all the hand tools, clamps, etc
required). I am curious if anyone knows what tools (makes, models,
etc.) that he used in this or if anyone could recommend their own list.
In the episode Scott had a table saw, drill press, planer, jointer,
miter saw...I'm not sure what else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd
think that's a mandatory item as well.
Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
everyone has to say.
I was thinking about a Delta TS300 Table Saw as a starter for $300 (or
maybe the Bosch 4000-09, but I think it's about $450). Any thoughts on
this.
What are some good and affordable jointers and planers? What do you
think about a drum sander in a small home woodshop?
I hope this will be a good discussion.
Thanks for all the help and thoughts.
[email protected] wrote:
> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
> an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
SNIP
>
> What are some good and affordable jointers and planers? What do you
> think about a drum sander in a small home woodshop?
>
> I hope this will be a good discussion.
>
> Thanks for all the help and thoughts.
The PBS that I get doesn't carry the show. A good suggestion to find
out what he used to equip the shop might be on the American Woodshop
web site (http://www.americanwoodshop.org/). A quick look there gives
the topics of the shows by season and I didn't find it in season 11 or
12 but didn't seach any further. Also check with your PBS station
schedule to find out the episode number.
Ed
There have been a few of these done of the years.
Tablesaw is the biggest expense and always a bit of a compromise.
Then a $250 or so lunch box planer, then a $199 6" benchtop jointer.
With the tablesaw, jointer, planer as the anchor, a $90.00 bench top
drill press with a rotary sander kit added for god measure.
They always got a bit over, but you could make afew things with that
set up, router likely comes in next to buy.
In my shop I've sold a few items i had a long time, bought a few at
good prices.
Jet 10" contractors saw with upgraded 2hp motoer and original Jet fench
replaced by a 52" Vega I got it with a mobile cart built under for
$350.00. Tossed the blade, bought a forest WWII.
So I'm in $450, the factory original fence was sold on Ebay for $50.00
net, so I'm in $400. I also sold my old delta table saw which this
replaced for $70.00, so net that out too.
Sold an engine I had around for 15 years on a stand for $800 which
bought me a 8" Jointer from an Ebay auction in Californa that I got one
friend to pick up and bring to his work in Ca, and a truck friend to
bring it to Washington. No cost. AND it bought a Dewalt DW735 planer
with wings.
When I picked up a Ryobi resaw bandsaw, which is a bit small, but takes
baldes up to 2" wide. THis was $100.00 I have about another $100 into
other blades. Noisy as hell.
Got a OSS for christmas, most of the rest I had around for years, and
I've learned to use my handplanes to good effect most of the time.
Don't under estimate how much work can be done with a few basic
electric tools and some handtools.
>Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
>unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
>everyone has to say
When I decided to start woodworking, I had about that much money to
start with, although I cheated a little because I had a few hand power
tools already. For that money, I got the delta bench top table saw,
delta bench top band saw, delta bench top jointer, delta bench top
planer, delta miter saw, and delta bench top drill press. Most of them
were miserable tools. The first to go was the table saw. I did two
projects with it, then put it on ebay. I actually got back most of my
money on it because I was able to include the "free" saw blade that
came with my delta CS. The band saw was next. I was able to ebay that
one also. The jointer was ok, but the table wasn't flat and was too
short. I ebayed that one for maybe half what I paid. All I have left
are the bench top DP and planer. I now have a floor standing delta DP.
I'm debating whether I should sell the other DP or keep it as a just
in case second drill press. The planer will be replaced in january or
february. I also need to replace the miter saw because there's so much
arbor runout, I can't miter anything. I may keep it as a loaner for
friends or for cutting things I don't want to put on the nice miter
saw. I also have some throw-away routers that I don't know what to do
with.
Of the tools I got, only the planer and the DP were winners. If I
could do it again, I would have gotten the base model grizzly
contractor's saw. That way, I could have upgraded to cast iron wings
or a different fence later. Rather than a miter saw, I would have made
a miter sled for the table saw and used the circular saw to cut down
big stuff. For the jointer, i should have bought s2s until I could
afford a good one. I should have also started with the porter cable
690 for a router rather than the ryobi I started with.
On the other hand, maybe it would have been better to buy/build a
workbench and start off with chisels, planes, and a dozuki.
brian
Good point. You can buy used if you know what your looking for. Most
new woodworkers do not. The big question is...are you building bird
houses or a table for twelve. A table for twelve would be considerably
more difficult on a tool budget of 1000.00. But I could build one heck
of a bird house with a 200.00 Ryobi table saw. I've worked on many a
types of tools and the cliche "you get what you paid for" certainly
rings true when buying tools.
On 12/11/2005 11:09 PM Frank Ketchum mumbled something about the following:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
>> an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
>> (major tools only, didn't include all the hand tools, clamps, etc
>> required). I am curious if anyone knows what tools (makes, models,
>> etc.) that he used in this or if anyone could recommend their own list.
>> In the episode Scott had a table saw, drill press, planer, jointer,
>> miter saw...I'm not sure what else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd
>> think that's a mandatory item as well.
>>
>> Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
>> unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
>> everyone has to say.
>>
>
> You may be able to buy most items of a good quality for this amount, but
> they will be used. Classifieds, garage sales etc. You need to know what
> things are worth. If you are talking new equipment, it will be the lesser
> quality models. If you are willing to think of the $1000 as seed money and
> can accept the fact that you will be replacing many of the tools in the
> future when you can't stand them anymore, then go for it.
>
> I would spend more money on the most important tools first and do without
> the others until necessary. For example, you can get a nice 3hp grizzly
> cabinet style table saw in the $900 range. For 99.99% of woodworkers, this
> is the last tablesaw you will ever need to buy. The absence of a planer and
> jointer means that you can't surface your own rough lumber at first. Either
> by presurfaced lumber for your first projects or learn to prepare them the
> old fashioned way. You can do without a drillpress at first, use a cordless
> drill. It is very irritating to replace every tool that you purchased at
> first one at a time because you are unhappy with them. Don't ask me how I
> know this.
>
>> What are some good and affordable jointers and planers? What do you
>> think about a drum sander in a small home woodshop?
>>
>
> I think they are expensive and not necessary. Of course,,,, I still want
> one!
>
> Frank <--- about to replace his contractor's tablesaw
But then there are those of us who have to purchase the smaller equip
because we don't have the space, get more space, purchase larger
equipment and get rid of smaller equipment, get even more space, get
even larger equipment and get rid of midsized equipment. Then we
reverse, get smaller space, have to get rid of large equipment and
purchase smaller equipment.
--
Odinn - replaced more tools than I care to admit.
<goofything2 wrote in message:
> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
<snip>
I would buy a good table saw, perhaps a Grizzly contractor saw, with a good
fence.
The table saw will always be the star of your show.
Most everything can be done with the TS and you should be learning what it
will do first.
If I were in your shoes, which I once was, I would spend it all on the table
saw.
I started with nothing in the early 80's in doing cabinet work and now I own
a cabinet shop.
(I started as a carpenter in '74)
I still want more than I can afford (mostly shaper cutters, etc.), but I
would rather wait for a
high-quality tool than to own junk.
You will make more money in the future to buy more good stuff. Be patient.
woodstuff "Have a good day
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
> an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
> (major tools only, didn't include all the hand tools, clamps, etc
> required). I am curious if anyone knows what tools (makes, models,
> etc.) that he used in this or if anyone could recommend their own list.
> In the episode Scott had a table saw, drill press, planer, jointer,
> miter saw...I'm not sure what else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd
> think that's a mandatory item as well.
>
> Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
> unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
> everyone has to say.
>
You may be able to buy most items of a good quality for this amount, but
they will be used. Classifieds, garage sales etc. You need to know what
things are worth. If you are talking new equipment, it will be the lesser
quality models. If you are willing to think of the $1000 as seed money and
can accept the fact that you will be replacing many of the tools in the
future when you can't stand them anymore, then go for it.
I would spend more money on the most important tools first and do without
the others until necessary. For example, you can get a nice 3hp grizzly
cabinet style table saw in the $900 range. For 99.99% of woodworkers, this
is the last tablesaw you will ever need to buy. The absence of a planer and
jointer means that you can't surface your own rough lumber at first. Either
by presurfaced lumber for your first projects or learn to prepare them the
old fashioned way. You can do without a drillpress at first, use a cordless
drill. It is very irritating to replace every tool that you purchased at
first one at a time because you are unhappy with them. Don't ask me how I
know this.
>
> What are some good and affordable jointers and planers? What do you
> think about a drum sander in a small home woodshop?
>
I think they are expensive and not necessary. Of course,,,, I still want
one!
Frank <--- about to replace his contractor's tablesaw
On 11 Dec 2005 13:34:30 -0800, [email protected] wrote:
>Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
>unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
>everyone has to say.
Most of us are accustomed to having the table saw be the cornerstone
and catch all tool that does all sorts of stuff it wasn't even really
intended for. But at this price level I would skip it. Unless you
can get a good deal on a used one it's either going to take up half
the budget for a decent one or be the first tool you have to upgrade.
14" band saw $350
Circular saw $150
10" Miter Saw $200
Router $200
Total $900
The last $100 can get you a drill press, hand planes, part way to a
jointer, or count towards your hand tools/clamps/blades/bits.
Next purchase would be the buy-it-once cabinet saw.
-Leuf
Leuf wrote:
> Most of us are accustomed to having the table saw be the cornerstone
> and catch all tool that does all sorts of stuff it wasn't even really
> intended for. But at this price level I would skip it. Unless you
> can get a good deal on a used one it's either going to take up half
> the budget for a decent one or be the first tool you have to upgrade.
>
> 14" band saw $350
> Circular saw $150
> 10" Miter Saw $200
> Router $200
I agree with this sentiment, and with the list except for the last two
items. Well, maybe the router. And possibly a little drill press.
I haven't found a job (in my meager, hobbiest experience) the miter saw
was necessary for.
That being said, the band saw is the all-purpose tool I'd buy first.
I'm still doing it all with hand tools right now except for a skil table
top bandsaw I picked up at a garage sale for $5.
The bandsaw is awful. I put a scroll blade on it and the drift was so
severe it can't just be called drift. And the degree of it changes with
the thickness of the stock being cut. Worst of all, frequently the
blade would grab the tire and yank it off the lower (powered) wheel.
It's still useful... until I either get a bandsaw or decide to stick
with hand tools (the idea of resawing wood is daunting, but so is laying
out cash needed for other things.) I can use it for making relief cuts
and finishing with a bowsaw.
I'm seeing situations that could be done on the table saw or the
bandsaw, and I'm seeing things that can be done on the bandsaw but not
the table saw (er... well, a circular saw and jigs are needed, and there
will be post-cut dressing of the new edge.) I don't see (and would like
someone to show me :) a (hobby) situation that a table saw can do that a
bandsaw/circularsaw/handtools combination couldn't do at least as well
given a little extra time.
And time is irrelevant if doing it is the end itself. :)
I want to make things for pleasure. What I want to make is rather open
ended... actually it involves robot chassis (chasses? chassises?) and
gears but all this requires benches, cabinets, etc. and to make those I
need tools. So the tools will enable me to make things, but why lay out
so much $$$ for tools when I can satisfy my desire to make things by
making the tools? Soon I'll post what I've done thus far (marking
gauge, bowsaw, marking knife, plane, blade adjusting hammer.) with no
powertools beyond a lousy bandsaw and a lousy benchtop drill press
borrowed from a friend.
er
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"Lee Gordon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Delta is one of the underwriters for The American Woodshop so I would
> guess that the sub-$1000 woodshop would be equipped with bottom of the
> range Delta tools.
>
It strikes me that while you can equip a woodshop with new tools for a grand
or so, it makes much more sense to go the used tool route. I recently saw a
couple of good contractor's saws in local ad papers for $400 or less. A
decent drill press for $125. No jointer or planer has showed up yet, but...
Used tools in good condition--check, and make sure, that they're running and
in good tune before even considering making an offer--would mean a double
step in quality, and sometimes capacity, and maybe more.
[email protected] wrote:
> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
> an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
> (major tools only, didn't include all the hand tools, clamps, etc
> required). I am curious if anyone knows what tools (makes, models,
> etc.) that he used in this or if anyone could recommend their own list.
> In the episode Scott had a table saw, drill press, planer, jointer,
> miter saw...I'm not sure what else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd
> think that's a mandatory item as well.
>
> Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
> unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
> everyone has to say.
>
> I was thinking about a Delta TS300 Table Saw as a starter for $300 (or
> maybe the Bosch 4000-09, but I think it's about $450). Any thoughts on
> this.
>
> What are some good and affordable jointers and planers? What do you
> think about a drum sander in a small home woodshop?
>
> I hope this will be a good discussion.
>
> Thanks for all the help and thoughts.
>
a drum sander is a luxury for someone who's thinking of getting a $300
TS. I've got $13,000+ worth of equipment and I'm still on the fence
about spending $1,400 for a drum sander.
Buy what you need when you need it, rather than buying a lot of cheap
"everything". It'll cost more in the long run, when you replace the
cheap stuff.
Dave
Dave
On 12/12/2005 2:47 PM nospambob mumbled something about the following:
> My address is ...!
>
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:02:56 -0500, Odinn <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Odinn - replaced more tools than I care to admit.
I didn't specify which kinds of tools I've replaced :)
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On 12/12/2005 2:47 PM nospambob mumbled something about the following:
> My address is ...!
>
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:02:56 -0500, Odinn <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Odinn - replaced more tools than I care to admit.
I didn't specify which kinds of tools I've replaced :)
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[email protected] wrote:
> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
> an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
> (major tools only, didn't include all the hand tools, clamps, etc
> required). I am curious if anyone knows what tools (makes, models,
> etc.) that he used in this or if anyone could recommend their own list.
> In the episode Scott had a table saw, drill press, planer, jointer,
> miter saw...I'm not sure what else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd
> think that's a mandatory item as well.
>
> Anyway, it seems it would cost more than $1,000 for all of these,
> unless you got real low quality tools, but I'd like to hear what
> everyone has to say.
>
> I was thinking about a Delta TS300 Table Saw as a starter for $300 (or
> maybe the Bosch 4000-09, but I think it's about $450). Any thoughts on
> this.
>
> What are some good and affordable jointers and planers? What do you
> think about a drum sander in a small home woodshop?
>
> I hope this will be a good discussion.
>
> Thanks for all the help and thoughts.
Ya know you can always look on ebay if your not in any hurry. I got a Jet
Cabinet Saw used 4 times for 400.00 with all the extras. Of course you have
to go and pickup these items but hell it's worth it.
Rich
--
"you can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
> a drum sander is a luxury for someone who's thinking of getting a $300 TS.
> I've got $13,000+ worth of equipment and I'm still on the fence about
> spending $1,400 for a drum sander.
>
I have a $250 TS and just bought drum sander. Not a damn thing wrong with a
good used $250 TS. (Okay, its not a $1,600 TS...)
<<It strikes me that while you can equip a woodshop with new tools for a
grand
or so, it makes much more sense to go the used tool route. I recently saw a
couple of good contractor's saws in local ad papers for $400 or less. A
decent drill press for $125. No jointer or planer has showed up yet,
but...>>
I completely agree. Most of my stationary tools are used. Although my
present table saw was purchased new from Sears, I bought its predecessor at
an antique fair for about $250. I found my RAS in the Bargain Shopper for
$75, bought Barry's old jointer for $250 (I think; might even have been
less), AJ's old planer for $100. And my band saw and stationary belt sander
were even better deals. Since I didn't see the American Woodshop program
that the OP mentioned, I was just speculating that Scott Philips might have
shown the audience a collection of low-end Delta tools because Delta puts up
some of the dough for the show.
Lee
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Hello all;
I can only imagine what it would be like to afford only the top of
the line power tools! Man oh man, how great that must feel. Most of
what I read here is that if you can't run with the big dogs, then
stay on the porch. 'You can't do very good woodwork with a $150.00
Delta or whatever, you need the top of the line cabinet saw.' Instead
of getting on with the hobby of woodworking, 'you should only read
what others have done, since the cost of the power tool is what makes
great woodworkers, not skill.'
There are a lot of folks like me who have a limited budget and
possibly only a credit card to purchase things with, to take the
sting out of the initial cost, so to speak. Yes, it would be great
to be one of the Jones's that everyone needs to keep up with. But in
reality, there are far more less affluent woodworkers than upper
crusters.
To make a point, a person doesn't need a Cadillac to go somewhere, a
Chevy will do the job, a Cadillac will just do it in more style. So
in choosing whether to save my pennies and not purchase a power tool
until I have the very one that will make me a great woodworker, or
maybe purchase a lessor tool and practice my woodworking skills when
I am starting out, I choose the latter.
If I have to replace a $150.00 table saw after 4 or 5 years of use
and upgrade to a better saw, what have I really lost, $150.00? I
think not. I think that I have really lost nothing if I have learned
how to to use the tool and stepped up to the next level of
woodworking.
To wrap it up, just purchase what you can afford. A person can do
excellent woodwork with nothing but hand tools. Power tools are just
an option. Power tools just make it easier and quicker to do the job.
The important point, at least to me is just get out in the woodshop
and make things...with whatever tools you have or can afford.
Make more sawdust,
Dan Harriman
Orange, Texas
Mike Berger <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I don't know what he used, but our local big box stores have
> 5 basic (crappy) power tools for $ 99 each (and often under on
> sale):
>
> Table saw, bandsaw, drill press, belt/disk sander, miter saw
>
> That's a lot of different tools for just half of your budget.
> Probably nobody in this newsgroup would be happy with them, so
> the question is purely academic.
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips
>> recently ran an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted
>> for about $1,000 (major tools only, didn't include all the hand
>> tools, clamps, etc required). I am curious if anyone knows what
>> tools (makes, models, etc.) that he used in this or if anyone
>> could recommend their own list. In the episode Scott had a table
>> saw, drill press, planer, jointer, miter saw...I'm not sure what
>> else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd think that's a
>> mandatory item as well.
>
> It strikes me that while you can equip a woodshop with new tools for a
grand
> or so, it makes much more sense to go the used tool route. I recently saw
a
> couple of good contractor's saws in local ad papers for $400 or less. A
> decent drill press for $125. No jointer or planer has showed up yet,
but...
>
> Used tools in good condition--check, and make sure, that they're running
and
> in good tune before even considering making an offer--would mean a double
> step in quality, and sometimes capacity, and maybe more.
While I agree that the used market can yeild some decent equipment at a
good price, someone who has never owned a table saw is likely to be the
least qualified person to asess it's present condition.
On the couple of occasions when I have sold items, I made a special point of
demoing the equipment before being asked.
If you can, bring along a buddy with some experience.
-Steve
I don't know what he used, but our local big box stores have
5 basic (crappy) power tools for $ 99 each (and often under on sale):
Table saw, bandsaw, drill press, belt/disk sander, miter saw
That's a lot of different tools for just half of your budget.
Probably nobody in this newsgroup would be happy with them, so
the question is purely academic.
[email protected] wrote:
> "The American Woodshop" TV show, hosted by Scott Phillips recently ran
> an episode claiming a woodshop could be outfitted for about $1,000
> (major tools only, didn't include all the hand tools, clamps, etc
> required). I am curious if anyone knows what tools (makes, models,
> etc.) that he used in this or if anyone could recommend their own list.
> In the episode Scott had a table saw, drill press, planer, jointer,
> miter saw...I'm not sure what else. I didn't noitce a router, but you'd
> think that's a mandatory item as well.
On 12 Dec 2005 10:55:10 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm,
"brianlanning" <[email protected]> quickly quoth:
>On the other hand, maybe it would have been better to buy/build a
>workbench and start off with chisels, planes, and a dozuki.
I agree. The OP would do better with a few books on woodworking
(for the style of woodworking he wishes to undertake) and a few
hand tools. The HD kit bench would give him a start and a Harbor
Freight vise would top it off. With those, he could start building
a real woodworking bench.
As to saws, I've tried some lovely old Disstons (rip and crosscut)
dozukis, ryobas, gent's saws, dovetail saws, and a few others. I have
never found anything better for most sawing requirements than a ryoba.
The little $26 razor saw I got from the Japan Woodworker is just
great! Ads for these are in most copies of FWW magazine.
They're $25.95 DELIVERED! (ask for the hardwood version of their
9-1/2" Gyokucho) 1-800-537-7820 (Dept. D2, Fine Woodworking ad)
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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 08:02:56 -0500, Odinn <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>Odinn - replaced more tools than I care to admit.