I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
exposed, some plugged with filler.
I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
distraction.
Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
Drawers were nailed together.
I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
used, and they didn't roll well.
The price was high for all pieces.
So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
--
Jeff
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 7:48:58 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>=20
> Nice size but not nearly enough guns. ;-)
Yeah. I had just brought it to the camp and there were only BB guns availa=
ble for display.
> The shelf and bracing are pretty neat. Nice overall!
That adjustable bracing technique was copied from a 1800s china cabinet, th=
e cabinet maker's name I don't recall, at the moment. When I first saw tha=
t bracing technique, I was impressed with its simplicity. It accommodated =
the un-planed boards, more so, than other types of "exacting" shelf bracing=
, and went well with the "hand built" or more rustic (no conventional hardw=
are) theme.
Thanks.
Sonny
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
=20
> And don't forget the Spanish style furniture with the rusted hardware=20
> that is so undersized that it would surely break if used regularly, not=
=20
> to mention the used motor oil stain. LOL
Crap, I forgot all about that. We were at ground zero for that since so mu=
ch came up from Mexico. I actually had a guy that was on a job tell me how=
they got that look. They left the hinges outside in the weather, banged t=
hem up with hammers, and many were actually hand assembled from stamped pie=
ces, so they made sure they were poor fitting. The "finish" was pieces of =
roofing tar or asphalt dropped into gasoline and where it melted and then w=
as slathered on with a rag.
>=20
> Kim and I went in to a new model home the other day, the kitchen=20
> cabinets were built with wood that had open defects, face frames, door=20
> frames and raised panels. Literally no part of a board was cut out for=
=20
> ascetics. Now I will say they were so heavily stained/painted that the=
=20
> defects were simply deep indentations with no change of color.
> Not as bad to look at as you might imagine.
It sounds pretty awful. Rather than to look at that, I think I would rather=
have a good quality MDF product or a convention that is gaining steam in E=
urope. MDF carcasses, wood stiles and rails, and then super high density (=
really stable) doors that are painted a contrasting color.
Robert
Probably just a fad. I remember huge pieces of furniture made with 2X6s, 2=
x8s, and even bigger that were stained nearly black and called "Mediterrane=
an". Doubtful they would have taken credit for it.
I remember when heavy, clear finished pine was the rage, big knots and all.
I remember rustic that was assembled with rusty nails and screws with strip=
ped heads, and defects were very highly prized. The fence guy I had at the=
time had folks stop by every job to see if they could buy his weathered ce=
dar.
I remember distressed finish furniture. You took a nice piece of furniture=
with good joinery, and then screwed it up by hitting it with metal junk, l=
aying screws, nails, wire and other crap in the surface and tapping it unti=
l it dented the wood. Indentions of screw threads were very highly prized. =
Then we wiped the damage with two different colors of stain to highlight t=
he damage before top coating.
No doubt in my mind that they exposed nails weren't meant to be any kind of=
statement of craftsmanship, but just another decorating fad.
Hope it goes away. Looking at that kind of thing is really annoying, even =
though I know the reason that kind of crap is made.
Robert
On Sun, 14 May 2017 17:27:35 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 6:13:52 PM UTC-4, woodchucker wrote:
>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>
>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>
>> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
>> showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
>> nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
>> the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
>> distraction.
>>
>> Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
>> Drawers were nailed together.
>>
>> I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
>> used, and they didn't roll well.
>>
>> The price was high for all pieces.
>>
>> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
>> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>>
>>
>
>Maybe Norm put the nails there while the glue dried.
Well, at least they left some exposed so they'd be easier to pull
after the glue dried.
On Mon, 15 May 2017 09:01:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 5/14/2017 5:13 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>
>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>
>> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
>> showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
>> nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
>> the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
>> distraction.
>>
>> Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
>> Drawers were nailed together.
>>
>> I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
>> used, and they didn't roll well.
>>
>> The price was high for all pieces.
>>
>> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
>> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>>
>>
>
>
>Some people are fooled into thinking high priced means high end.
And many more are fooled into thinking "hand made" means quality - -
- -
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:01:34 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
> =20
> > And don't forget the Spanish style furniture with the rusted hardware=
=20
> > that is so undersized that it would surely break if used regularly, not=
=20
> > to mention the used motor oil stain. LOL
>=20
> Crap, I forgot all about that. We were at ground zero for that since so =
much came up from Mexico. I actually had a guy that was on a job tell me h=
ow they got that look. They left the hinges outside in the weather, banged=
them up with hammers, and many were actually hand assembled from stamped p=
ieces, so they made sure they were poor fitting. The "finish" was pieces o=
f roofing tar or asphalt dropped into gasoline and where it melted and then=
was slathered on with a rag.
> >=20
> > Kim and I went in to a new model home the other day, the kitchen=20
> > cabinets were built with wood that had open defects, face frames, door=
=20
> > frames and raised panels. Literally no part of a board was cut out for=
=20
> > ascetics. Now I will say they were so heavily stained/painted that the=
=20
> > defects were simply deep indentations with no change of color.
> > Not as bad to look at as you might imagine.
>=20
> It sounds pretty awful. Rather than to look at that, I think I would rath=
er have a good quality MDF product or a convention that is gaining steam in=
Europe. MDF carcasses, wood stiles and rails, and then super high density=
(really stable) doors that are painted a contrasting color.
>=20
> Robert
Some of you guys are almost making me feel bad...LOL... about some of my pi=
eces and work, but I don't readily sell my pieces. Referencing details of =
my gun cabinet, with *nails and "distressed areas"- https://www.flickr.com=
/photos/43836144@N04/19333945635/in/photostream
It's made with old salvaged hand hewn boards, so there's lots of nail holes=
. Well, this (pic) is the "high-end" (the crown) https://www.flickr.com/p=
hotos/43836144@N04/34316203350/in/dateposted-public/
The curved (inside) center is kerf bent. Old boards, as this, don't steam =
bend, well, if at all.
From the above pic, scroll left for 1) A "lower end" (inside the upper cabi=
net), shows details of the shelf and bracing. And 2 & 3) The "lower end" (=
lower cabinet top). I supposed the holes would gather dust, so I installe=
d old cut nails into these holes. These nails were pulled from old lumber=
and saved, for just this sort of decor application on this and future proj=
ects. Actually, on the gun cabinet, there were so many holes, it looked ba=
d. Filling the holes help the look, a lot, and the nails solution was bet=
ter than any dedicated filler.
*I'd guess at least 50% of craftsmen, here, slap together projects, for qui=
ck sale. There doesn't seem to be much desire, on their part, to improve t=
heir poor skills.
*I'm not impressed with many of the pieces display at a recently opened (2 =
yrs ago) "Paul Michaels". They seem to market to the unknowing, yet wealt=
hy, clientele.
*Shabby-chic painted furniture was the rage not long ago, but that seems to=
be on the down turn, these days. The furniture they paint are poor exampl=
es of good-to-quality pieces, also.
Sonny
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:13:52 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>=20
> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still=20
> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>=20
I agree with Leon and cl snyder.ca. Just because something costs a lot of =
money or is handmade, does not mean its good quality. And on the flip side=
, because something is nailed does not mean its bad either. Everything is =
tied together. Materials, construction technique, design. I'll admit to m=
aking a box with handcut through dovetails. But it still did not turn out =
to be a fine piece of work worthy of a museum.
On 5/16/2017 1:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Probably just a fad. I remember huge pieces of furniture made with
> 2X6s, 2x8s, and even bigger that were stained nearly black and called
> "Mediterranean". Doubtful they would have taken credit for it.
>
> I remember when heavy, clear finished pine was the rage, big knots
> and all.
>
> I remember rustic that was assembled with rusty nails and screws with
> stripped heads, and defects were very highly prized. The fence guy I
> had at the time had folks stop by every job to see if they could buy
> his weathered cedar.
>
> I remember distressed finish furniture. You took a nice piece of
> furniture with good joinery, and then screwed it up by hitting it
> with metal junk, laying screws, nails, wire and other crap in the
> surface and tapping it until it dented the wood. Indentions of screw
> threads were very highly prized. Then we wiped the damage with two
> different colors of stain to highlight the damage before top
> coating.
>
> No doubt in my mind that they exposed nails weren't meant to be any
> kind of statement of craftsmanship, but just another decorating fad.
>
> Hope it goes away. Looking at that kind of thing is really annoying,
> even though I know the reason that kind of crap is made.
>
> Robert
>
And don't forget the Spanish style furniture with the rusted hardware
that is so undersized that it would surely break if used regularly, not
to mention the used motor oil stain. LOL
Kim and I went in to a new model home the other day, the kitchen
cabinets were built with wood that had open defects, face frames, door
frames and raised panels. Literally no part of a board was cut out for
ascetics. Now I will say they were so heavily stained/painted that the
defects were simply deep indentations with no change of color.
Not as bad to look at as you might imagine.
[email protected] writes:
>On Mon, 15 May 2017 09:01:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 5/14/2017 5:13 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>>
>>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>>
>>> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
>>> showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
>>> nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
>>> the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
>>> distraction.
>>>
>>> Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
>>> Drawers were nailed together.
>>>
>>> I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
>>> used, and they didn't roll well.
>>>
>>> The price was high for all pieces.
>>>
>>> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
>>> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Some people are fooled into thinking high priced means high end.
> And many more are fooled into thinking "hand made" means quality - -
And some people are fooled into thinking that nailed furniture is bad :-)
Quality is in the eye of the beholder, methinks.
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in news:dOidnUkNr7MES4XEnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>
> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
> exposed, some plugged with filler.
You know it was high-end stuff because they used nails.
The cheap stuff they'd use staples.
John
On 5/14/2017 5:13 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>
> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>
> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
> showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
> nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
> the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
> distraction.
>
> Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
> Drawers were nailed together.
>
> I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
> used, and they didn't roll well.
>
> The price was high for all pieces.
>
> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>
>
Some people are fooled into thinking high priced means high end.
On Mon, 15 May 2017 21:34:08 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 15 May 2017 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:13:52 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>>
>>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>>
>>
>>I agree with Leon and cl snyder.ca. Just because something costs a lot of money or is handmade, does not mean its good quality. And on the flip side, because something is nailed does not mean its bad either. Everything is tied together. Materials, construction technique, design. I'll admit to making a box with handcut through dovetails. But it still did not turn out to be a fine piece of work worthy of a museum.
>
>I disagree. I can't imagine *any* reason to use nails on furniture.
For upholstery is the only use I want nails then I really do not want
to see them, not even the trim ones. YMMV as well as taste.
On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 6:13:52 PM UTC-4, woodchucker wrote:
> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>
> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>
> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
> showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
> nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
> the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
> distraction.
>
> Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
> Drawers were nailed together.
>
> I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
> used, and they didn't roll well.
>
> The price was high for all pieces.
>
> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>
>
Maybe Norm put the nails there while the glue dried.
On Mon, 15 May 2017 17:27:09 GMT, [email protected] (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
>[email protected] writes:
>>On Mon, 15 May 2017 09:01:32 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/14/2017 5:13 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>>>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>>>
>>>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>>>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>>>
>>>> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
>>>> showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
>>>> nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
>>>> the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
>>>> distraction.
>>>>
>>>> Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
>>>> Drawers were nailed together.
>>>>
>>>> I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
>>>> used, and they didn't roll well.
>>>>
>>>> The price was high for all pieces.
>>>>
>>>> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
>>>> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Some people are fooled into thinking high priced means high end.
>> And many more are fooled into thinking "hand made" means quality - -
>
>And some people are fooled into thinking that nailed furniture is bad :-)
>
>Quality is in the eye of the beholder, methinks.
Sure, some even buy from Ikea. Kitchens, no less!
On Sun, 14 May 2017 18:13:43 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>
>A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>exposed, some plugged with filler.
>
>I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
>showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
>nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
>the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
>distraction.
>
>Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
>Drawers were nailed together.
>
>I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
>used, and they didn't roll well.
>
>The price was high for all pieces.
>
>So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
>just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
So you'd cheat people out of the nails they've paid for?
On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 10:47:49 PM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
=20
> You got flying beaver down there?
LOL. No, but we got rats and mice. Though you can't see it very well, the=
re are matching notches on the bottom edge/style of the cabinet and I purpo=
sely incorporated and "aligned" the similar notches, that way.
These salvaged boards were the roofing furring boards, that the wood shingl=
es were nailed to, hence, an odd place for mouse or rat chewed notches. O=
ther boards, from that old house, seemed to have been second hand boards (p=
reviously salvaged), as well. The notches may have been gnawed when in the=
ir previous structure.
This design element went well, with the overall desired & purposeful primit=
ive build and look.
I removed the drawers, from the lower cabinet, since they functioned poorly=
(too small). I installed an interior bottom-shelf and have made doors. I=
've looked for appropriate hinges, but I may try to make hinges, using some=
copper sheeting, I have handy. Copper hinges would match the copper tubi=
ng door handles (previously the drawer handles).
Sonny
On Mon, 15 May 2017 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:13:52 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>
>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>
>
>I agree with Leon and cl snyder.ca. Just because something costs a lot of money or is handmade, does not mean its good quality. And on the flip side, because something is nailed does not mean its bad either. Everything is tied together. Materials, construction technique, design. I'll admit to making a box with handcut through dovetails. But it still did not turn out to be a fine piece of work worthy of a museum.
I disagree. I can't imagine *any* reason to use nails on furniture.
On Mon, 15 May 2017 21:34:08 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Mon, 15 May 2017 12:52:44 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, May 14, 2017 at 5:13:52 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
>>> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>>> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>>
>>> A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>>> exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>>
>>
>>I agree with Leon and cl snyder.ca. Just because something costs a lot of money or is handmade, does not mean its good quality. And on the flip side, because something is nailed does not mean its bad either. Everything is tied together. Materials, construction technique, design. I'll admit to making a box with handcut through dovetails. But it still did not turn out to be a fine piece of work worthy of a museum.
>
>I disagree. I can't imagine *any* reason to use nails on furniture.
Particularly where they can be seen. In cabinetry sometimes a few
brads are in order.
On Tue, 16 May 2017 12:16:20 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:01:34 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>
>> > And don't forget the Spanish style furniture with the rusted hardware
>> > that is so undersized that it would surely break if used regularly, not
>> > to mention the used motor oil stain. LOL
>>
>> Crap, I forgot all about that. We were at ground zero for that since so much came up from Mexico. I actually had a guy that was on a job tell me how they got that look. They left the hinges outside in the weather, banged them up with hammers, and many were actually hand assembled from stamped pieces, so they made sure they were poor fitting. The "finish" was pieces of roofing tar or asphalt dropped into gasoline and where it melted and then was slathered on with a rag.
>> >
>> > Kim and I went in to a new model home the other day, the kitchen
>> > cabinets were built with wood that had open defects, face frames, door
>> > frames and raised panels. Literally no part of a board was cut out for
>> > ascetics. Now I will say they were so heavily stained/painted that the
>> > defects were simply deep indentations with no change of color.
>> > Not as bad to look at as you might imagine.
>>
>> It sounds pretty awful. Rather than to look at that, I think I would rather have a good quality MDF product or a convention that is gaining steam in Europe. MDF carcasses, wood stiles and rails, and then super high density (really stable) doors that are painted a contrasting color.
>>
>> Robert
>
>Some of you guys are almost making me feel bad...LOL... about some of my pieces and work, but I don't readily sell my pieces. Referencing details of my gun cabinet, with *nails and "distressed areas"- https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/19333945635/in/photostream
You got flying beaver down there?
>
>It's made with old salvaged hand hewn boards, so there's lots of nail holes. Well, this (pic) is the "high-end" (the crown) https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/34316203350/in/dateposted-public/
>The curved (inside) center is kerf bent. Old boards, as this, don't steam bend, well, if at all.
>
>From the above pic, scroll left for 1) A "lower end" (inside the upper cabinet), shows details of the shelf and bracing. And 2 & 3) The "lower end" (lower cabinet top). I supposed the holes would gather dust, so I installed old cut nails into these holes. These nails were pulled from old lumber and saved, for just this sort of decor application on this and future projects. Actually, on the gun cabinet, there were so many holes, it looked bad. Filling the holes help the look, a lot, and the nails solution was better than any dedicated filler.
>
>*I'd guess at least 50% of craftsmen, here, slap together projects, for quick sale. There doesn't seem to be much desire, on their part, to improve their poor skills.
>*I'm not impressed with many of the pieces display at a recently opened (2 yrs ago) "Paul Michaels". They seem to market to the unknowing, yet wealthy, clientele.
>*Shabby-chic painted furniture was the rage not long ago, but that seems to be on the down turn, these days. The furniture they paint are poor examples of good-to-quality pieces, also.
>
>Sonny
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
> My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
I feel your pain
> So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
> just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>
and let her know what it's really worth.
On Sun, 14 May 2017 20:14:55 -0400, clare wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2017 18:33:10 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>
>>So you'd cheat people out of the nails they've paid for?
>
> NEVER!!!! I'd glue a box of nails into the corner on the underside- -
> - - - -
Nice to see the tradition of solid customer service lives on in the East!
Cheers,
Colin
On Sun, 14 May 2017 18:13:43 -0400
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the
> nails showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with
> a air nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face
> frame had the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside
> from this distraction.
if it has nails exposed it is not high end
high price is not high end
On Sun, 14 May 2017 18:33:10 -0400, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 14 May 2017 18:13:43 -0400, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I was wrong all these years. I always thought you glued and clamped.
>>My wife dragged me to this high end store , in a very high end town.
>>
>>A lot of the furniture was nailed together,some with the nails still
>>exposed, some plugged with filler.
>>
>>I have to say I have never seen high end stuff nailed and with the nails
>>showing both on the outside where the shelves were nailed with a air
>>nailer and left unfilled. And the right angle corners and face frame had
>>the nail holes showing. this on a nice looking piece aside from this
>>distraction.
>>
>>Another piece had nail holes filled with a non-matching filler...
>>Drawers were nailed together.
>>
>>I saw many useless barn door sliding hardware pieces that were over
>>used, and they didn't roll well.
>>
>>The price was high for all pieces.
>>
>>So my wife wanted me to reproduce piece.. I said shit.. no problem it's
>>just nailed. But I think I'll add glue, and maybe drop the nails..
>
>So you'd cheat people out of the nails they've paid for?
NEVER!!!! I'd glue a box of nails into the corner on the underside- -
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On Tue, 16 May 2017 12:16:20 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
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>On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 11:01:34 AM UTC-5, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 8:34:57 AM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
>>
>> > And don't forget the Spanish style furniture with the rusted hardware
>> > that is so undersized that it would surely break if used regularly, not
>> > to mention the used motor oil stain. LOL
>>
>> Crap, I forgot all about that. We were at ground zero for that since so much came up from Mexico. I actually had a guy that was on a job tell me how they got that look. They left the hinges outside in the weather, banged them up with hammers, and many were actually hand assembled from stamped pieces, so they made sure they were poor fitting. The "finish" was pieces of roofing tar or asphalt dropped into gasoline and where it melted and then was slathered on with a rag.
>> >
>> > Kim and I went in to a new model home the other day, the kitchen
>> > cabinets were built with wood that had open defects, face frames, door
>> > frames and raised panels. Literally no part of a board was cut out for
>> > ascetics. Now I will say they were so heavily stained/painted that the
>> > defects were simply deep indentations with no change of color.
>> > Not as bad to look at as you might imagine.
>>
>> It sounds pretty awful. Rather than to look at that, I think I would rather have a good quality MDF product or a convention that is gaining steam in Europe. MDF carcasses, wood stiles and rails, and then super high density (really stable) doors that are painted a contrasting color.
>>
>> Robert
>
>Some of you guys are almost making me feel bad...LOL... about some of my pieces and work, but I don't readily sell my pieces. Referencing details of my gun cabinet, with *nails and "distressed areas"- https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/19333945635/in/photostream
Nice size but not nearly enough guns. ;-)
>It's made with old salvaged hand hewn boards, so there's lots of nail holes. Well, this (pic) is the "high-end" (the crown) https://www.flickr.com/photos/43836144@N04/34316203350/in/dateposted-public/
>The curved (inside) center is kerf bent. Old boards, as this, don't steam bend, well, if at all.
>From the above pic, scroll left for 1) A "lower end" (inside the upper cabinet), shows details of the shelf and bracing. And 2 & 3) The "lower end" (lower cabinet top). I supposed the holes would gather dust, so I installed old cut nails into these holes. These nails were pulled from old lumber and saved, for just this sort of decor application on this and future projects. Actually, on the gun cabinet, there were so many holes, it looked bad. Filling the holes help the look, a lot, and the nails solution was better than any dedicated filler.
The shelf and bracing are pretty neat. Nice overall!