OK, if yo have been waiting to buy a Fein Multimaster it might not get
any better than this starter kit. $139.00
http://www.cpooutlets.com/fein-72294362090-multimaster-kit/fenn72294362090,default,pd.html?ref=em20151204&utm_medium=email&utm_source=em20151204&utm_campaign=holideals-3&[email protected]&modalsignup=hide&spMailingID=24157083&spUserID=MTAyMzMyODMwNjUwS0&spJobID=700347089&spReportId=NzAwMzQ3MDg5S0
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
> FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is=20
> 160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would=
=20
> be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this=20
> one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have=
=20
> issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
I hadn't thought of that. I looked up the model of HF multitool that I have=
, and it is a 180 watt model. I used the heck out of it and have even plun=
ge cut through 2" of gravel roofing with it to cut out a 12" square for ven=
t installation and repairs. Never have I bogged it down.
Mine is a single speed. To make a more fair comparison to the referenced F=
ein, the HF variable speed doesn't list the wattage of the tool, but their =
variable speed does pull about a half amp more, so it must be a bit more po=
werful.
But mine has always had plenty of power and I haven't ever needed variable =
speed, so the $15 model (as always, on sale)is fine for me.
If you had a use for that tool though, the Fein is a heckuva buy.
Robert
On 12/5/2015 4:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:04:31 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/2015 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 12/5/15 1:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On
[snip]
>> I have the dremel, and also lower the speed quite often. As far as
>> power, I don't notice a lack of.
> Biggest problem with sigle speed is the smoke you get cutting
> hardwood.. My brother bought the single speed Fein because the
> variable soeed was a hundred bucks more - he's been kicking himself
> ever since. I bought a variable speed knock-off from Canadian Tite for
> less than the premium he would have paid for the variable speed Fein
> (on sale at CTC)
And I have the 12v cordless, variable speed Bosch and like the rest of
you have never felt the power of this unit lacking.
Some have given decent marks, sort of, to the Harbor Freight unit;
others not so much.
I think the bottom line upon which we can all agree is...
Get a multi-tool. You'll wonder how you ever got along without one.
Doesn't seem to matter what job I'm tackling at home or at one of the
kids' places, the multi-tool comes with me be it woodwork, plumbing, or
electrical.
On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 8:29:22 AM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
> OK, if yo have been waiting to buy a Fein Multimaster it might not get=20
> any better than this starter kit. $139.00
I saw that. It's about $45 or so bucks less than Amazon and even more than=
that at other places. Great deal on that one. If those damn HF machines =
I bought a few years ago weren't STILL working after all the jobs they have=
been on, I would probably bite.
MIKE, when I got the ad that Leon referenced, I had the same question. See=
here:
http://woodworker.com/fmt-250q-start-in-bag-mssu-167-582.asp
Apparently the 350 does have a bigger motor, increased motor cooling (proba=
bly needed with the larger motor), a dust port and some other improvements.
Just for me, since I use these tools out on site I don't care a fig about a=
ll the other features. I think for most people and even most contractors t=
his would be a great tool.
Robert
On 12/4/2015 1:07 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/4/15 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> OK, if yo have been waiting to buy a Fein Multimaster it might not
>> get any better than this starter kit. $139.00
>>
>>
>> http://www.cpooutlets.com/fein-72294362090-multimaster-kit/fenn72294362090,default,pd.html?ref=em20151204&utm_medium=email&utm_source=em20151204&utm_campaign=holideals-3&[email protected]&modalsignup=hide&spMailingID=24157083&spUserID=MTAyMzMyODMwNjUwS0&spJobID=700347089&spReportId=NzAwMzQ3MDg5S0
>>
>>
>>
>
> What's the difference between the 250 and 350?
> 250 watts vs. 350 watts? Is that all?
>
>
FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is
160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would
be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this
one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have
issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
On 12/5/2015 5:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:04:31 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/5/2015 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 12/5/15 1:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is
>>>>> 160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would
>>>>> be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this
>>>>> one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have
>>>>> issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
>>>>
>>>> I hadn't thought of that. I looked up the model of HF multitool that I
>>>> have, and it is a 180 watt model. I used the heck out of it and have
>>>> even plunge cut through 2" of gravel roofing with it to cut out a 12"
>>>> square for vent installation and repairs. Never have I bogged it down.
>>>>
>>>> Mine is a single speed. To make a more fair comparison to the
>>>> referenced Fein, the HF variable speed doesn't list the wattage of the
>>>> tool, but their variable speed does pull about a half amp more, so it
>>>> must be a bit more powerful.
>>>>
>>>> But mine has always had plenty of power and I haven't ever needed
>>>> variable speed, so the $15 model (as always, on sale)is fine for me.
>>>>
>>>> If you had a use for that tool though, the Fein is a heckuva buy.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>
>>> I believe the extra wattage doesn't necessarily make it cut faster at
>>> higher speeds, I think it's the opposite. I don't think I ever had a
>>> problem with the HF single speed being too slow or not strong enough.
>>> The higher wattage helps it cut better at lower speeds. You still get
>>> some power/torque in the low ranges.
>>>
>>> I don't know about the 250 model, but the 350 has an anti-bog-down
>>> feature which varies the power being send to the oscillator depending on
>>> the resistance it encounters. I can attest that it is a useful feature
>>> as I've felt it kick in several times.
>>>
>>> Also as to variable speed. It's nice to have the lower speeds. I had
>>> only used the single speed HF until I got the Fein. Now I find myself
>>> lowering the speed fairly often. It's hard to describe but for certain
>>> cuts and certain materials, a lower speed is better.
>>>
>>>
>> I have the dremel, and also lower the speed quite often. As far as
>> power, I don't notice a lack of.
> Biggest problem with sigle speed is the smoke you get cutting
> hardwood.. My brother bought the single speed Fein because the
> variable soeed was a hundred bucks more - he's been kicking himself
> ever since. I bought a variable speed knock-off from Canadian Tite for
> less than the premium he would have paid for the variable speed Fein
> (on sale at CTC)
>
Your brother can put a speed control in line in the cord. I have one for
my old router that didn't have a speed control. Works fine. I have used
it for many things.
--
Jeff
On 12/5/2015 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/5/15 1:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is
>>> 160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would
>>> be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this
>>> one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have
>>> issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
>>
>> I hadn't thought of that. I looked up the model of HF multitool that I
>> have, and it is a 180 watt model. I used the heck out of it and have
>> even plunge cut through 2" of gravel roofing with it to cut out a 12"
>> square for vent installation and repairs. Never have I bogged it down.
>>
>> Mine is a single speed. To make a more fair comparison to the
>> referenced Fein, the HF variable speed doesn't list the wattage of the
>> tool, but their variable speed does pull about a half amp more, so it
>> must be a bit more powerful.
>>
>> But mine has always had plenty of power and I haven't ever needed
>> variable speed, so the $15 model (as always, on sale)is fine for me.
>>
>> If you had a use for that tool though, the Fein is a heckuva buy.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
> I believe the extra wattage doesn't necessarily make it cut faster at
> higher speeds, I think it's the opposite. I don't think I ever had a
> problem with the HF single speed being too slow or not strong enough.
> The higher wattage helps it cut better at lower speeds. You still get
> some power/torque in the low ranges.
>
> I don't know about the 250 model, but the 350 has an anti-bog-down
> feature which varies the power being send to the oscillator depending on
> the resistance it encounters. I can attest that it is a useful feature
> as I've felt it kick in several times.
>
> Also as to variable speed. It's nice to have the lower speeds. I had
> only used the single speed HF until I got the Fein. Now I find myself
> lowering the speed fairly often. It's hard to describe but for certain
> cuts and certain materials, a lower speed is better.
>
>
I have the dremel, and also lower the speed quite often. As far as
power, I don't notice a lack of.
--
Jeff
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:04:31 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 12/5/2015 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 12/5/15 1:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>> FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is
>>>> 160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would
>>>> be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this
>>>> one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have
>>>> issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
>>>
>>> I hadn't thought of that. I looked up the model of HF multitool that I
>>> have, and it is a 180 watt model. I used the heck out of it and have
>>> even plunge cut through 2" of gravel roofing with it to cut out a 12"
>>> square for vent installation and repairs. Never have I bogged it down.
>>>
>>> Mine is a single speed. To make a more fair comparison to the
>>> referenced Fein, the HF variable speed doesn't list the wattage of the
>>> tool, but their variable speed does pull about a half amp more, so it
>>> must be a bit more powerful.
>>>
>>> But mine has always had plenty of power and I haven't ever needed
>>> variable speed, so the $15 model (as always, on sale)is fine for me.
>>>
>>> If you had a use for that tool though, the Fein is a heckuva buy.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>
>> I believe the extra wattage doesn't necessarily make it cut faster at
>> higher speeds, I think it's the opposite. I don't think I ever had a
>> problem with the HF single speed being too slow or not strong enough.
>> The higher wattage helps it cut better at lower speeds. You still get
>> some power/torque in the low ranges.
>>
>> I don't know about the 250 model, but the 350 has an anti-bog-down
>> feature which varies the power being send to the oscillator depending on
>> the resistance it encounters. I can attest that it is a useful feature
>> as I've felt it kick in several times.
>>
>> Also as to variable speed. It's nice to have the lower speeds. I had
>> only used the single speed HF until I got the Fein. Now I find myself
>> lowering the speed fairly often. It's hard to describe but for certain
>> cuts and certain materials, a lower speed is better.
>>
>>
>I have the dremel, and also lower the speed quite often. As far as
>power, I don't notice a lack of.
Biggest problem with sigle speed is the smoke you get cutting
hardwood.. My brother bought the single speed Fein because the
variable soeed was a hundred bucks more - he's been kicking himself
ever since. I bought a variable speed knock-off from Canadian Tite for
less than the premium he would have paid for the variable speed Fein
(on sale at CTC)
On 12/4/15 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
> OK, if yo have been waiting to buy a Fein Multimaster it might not
> get any better than this starter kit. $139.00
>
>
> http://www.cpooutlets.com/fein-72294362090-multimaster-kit/fenn72294362090,default,pd.html?ref=em20151204&utm_medium=email&utm_source=em20151204&utm_campaign=holideals-3&[email protected]&modalsignup=hide&spMailingID=24157083&spUserID=MTAyMzMyODMwNjUwS0&spJobID=700347089&spReportId=NzAwMzQ3MDg5S0
>
>
What's the difference between the 250 and 350?
250 watts vs. 350 watts? Is that all?
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 12/4/15 8:39 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> Let us think. one is a 1/3 hp motor and the other is a 1/2 hp motor.
> One will torque your arm more than the other.
>
Trust me, neither has any torque to speak of.
I have the 350 and was utterly amazed at how light it feels in the hand
when on full blast.
The HF one, on the other hand, numbs the hand fairly quickly.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On 12/5/15 1:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>
>> FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is
>> 160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would
>> be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this
>> one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have
>> issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
>
> I hadn't thought of that. I looked up the model of HF multitool that I have, and it is a 180 watt model. I used the heck out of it and have even plunge cut through 2" of gravel roofing with it to cut out a 12" square for vent installation and repairs. Never have I bogged it down.
>
> Mine is a single speed. To make a more fair comparison to the referenced Fein, the HF variable speed doesn't list the wattage of the tool, but their variable speed does pull about a half amp more, so it must be a bit more powerful.
>
> But mine has always had plenty of power and I haven't ever needed variable speed, so the $15 model (as always, on sale)is fine for me.
>
> If you had a use for that tool though, the Fein is a heckuva buy.
>
> Robert
>
I believe the extra wattage doesn't necessarily make it cut faster at
higher speeds, I think it's the opposite. I don't think I ever had a
problem with the HF single speed being too slow or not strong enough.
The higher wattage helps it cut better at lower speeds. You still get
some power/torque in the low ranges.
I don't know about the 250 model, but the 350 has an anti-bog-down
feature which varies the power being send to the oscillator depending on
the resistance it encounters. I can attest that it is a useful feature
as I've felt it kick in several times.
Also as to variable speed. It's nice to have the lower speeds. I had
only used the single speed HF until I got the Fein. Now I find myself
lowering the speed fairly often. It's hard to describe but for certain
cuts and certain materials, a lower speed is better.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Let us think. one is a 1/3 hp motor and the other is a 1/2 hp motor.
One will torque your arm more than the other.
Simply what do you plan on doing with it, picture frames and toys or
Home building and industrial sites.
My bet, the 350 is more expensive as well. Has different gears and
maybe more or different options.
Martin
On 12/4/2015 1:07 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 12/4/15 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> OK, if yo have been waiting to buy a Fein Multimaster it might not
>> get any better than this starter kit. $139.00
>>
>>
>> http://www.cpooutlets.com/fein-72294362090-multimaster-kit/fenn72294362090,default,pd.html?ref=em20151204&utm_medium=email&utm_source=em20151204&utm_campaign=holideals-3&[email protected]&modalsignup=hide&spMailingID=24157083&spUserID=MTAyMzMyODMwNjUwS0&spJobID=700347089&spReportId=NzAwMzQ3MDg5S0
>>
>>
>>
>
> What's the difference between the 250 and 350?
> 250 watts vs. 350 watts? Is that all?
>
>
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 21:02:27 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 12/5/2015 5:15 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 14:04:31 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/5/2015 12:06 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 12/5/15 1:56 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 4, 2015 at 5:30:35 PM UTC-6, Leon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW I and probably Swingman too have the older Multimasters. Mine is
>>>>>> 160 watts and I have never ever even thought that a stronger motor would
>>>>>> be of more benefit. The Fein web site advertizes 350 watts. If this
>>>>>> one in the link is 25o watts I seriousely doubt that you would ever have
>>>>>> issue with less power as that is 90 watts more than mine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hadn't thought of that. I looked up the model of HF multitool that I
>>>>> have, and it is a 180 watt model. I used the heck out of it and have
>>>>> even plunge cut through 2" of gravel roofing with it to cut out a 12"
>>>>> square for vent installation and repairs. Never have I bogged it down.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mine is a single speed. To make a more fair comparison to the
>>>>> referenced Fein, the HF variable speed doesn't list the wattage of the
>>>>> tool, but their variable speed does pull about a half amp more, so it
>>>>> must be a bit more powerful.
>>>>>
>>>>> But mine has always had plenty of power and I haven't ever needed
>>>>> variable speed, so the $15 model (as always, on sale)is fine for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had a use for that tool though, the Fein is a heckuva buy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe the extra wattage doesn't necessarily make it cut faster at
>>>> higher speeds, I think it's the opposite. I don't think I ever had a
>>>> problem with the HF single speed being too slow or not strong enough.
>>>> The higher wattage helps it cut better at lower speeds. You still get
>>>> some power/torque in the low ranges.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the 250 model, but the 350 has an anti-bog-down
>>>> feature which varies the power being send to the oscillator depending on
>>>> the resistance it encounters. I can attest that it is a useful feature
>>>> as I've felt it kick in several times.
>>>>
>>>> Also as to variable speed. It's nice to have the lower speeds. I had
>>>> only used the single speed HF until I got the Fein. Now I find myself
>>>> lowering the speed fairly often. It's hard to describe but for certain
>>>> cuts and certain materials, a lower speed is better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I have the dremel, and also lower the speed quite often. As far as
>>> power, I don't notice a lack of.
>> Biggest problem with sigle speed is the smoke you get cutting
>> hardwood.. My brother bought the single speed Fein because the
>> variable soeed was a hundred bucks more - he's been kicking himself
>> ever since. I bought a variable speed knock-off from Canadian Tite for
>> less than the premium he would have paid for the variable speed Fein
>> (on sale at CTC)
>>
>Your brother can put a speed control in line in the cord. I have one for
>my old router that didn't have a speed control. Works fine. I have used
>it for many things.
The inline speed controld are "generally" just power controllers -
with no speed feedback. The variable speed units have a feedback loop
that delivers more power as the speed drops to maintain speed under
load.
I've used a "dimmer" to vary the speed and it does work - but it
actually just "reduces" the speed, it doen't "controll" it.