Well, I think so anyway. :-).
We went garage sale-ing this morning. At one stop I spied a plastic
bucket with some plane ends sticking out of it. I went and looked.
There were two old jointer planes, but the quality was such that if I
said Monkey Ward made them I'd be exaggerating their quality.
But buried under them was an old Stanley #4. A little light rust, but
no pitting. I don't have a #4. I nonchalantly picked it up and asked
what they wanted for it. It's very difficult to keep a straight face
when the answer comes back "fifty cents?". I didn't have the heart to
try to beat them down to .25 :-).
So I get it home and start checking it out. It's a type 9 manufactured
around 1902-1907. Has two patent dates on the frame casting, no frog
adjustment, etc..
But here it gets strange. The lever cap says "Stanley R & L Bedrock" on
three lines, which indicates an early Bedrock. Now the frog obviously
isn't a Bedrock. But somehow I don't think anyone was trying to make me
think it was more valuable by swapping lever caps :-). And the bedrocks
did come out in 1910 or thereabouts. So my best guess is that someone
way back needed a new lever cap and put one from a Bedrock on this
plane.
BTW, the blade says "Pat Apr 19, 92" on it. I'd guess it to be the
original blade.
So while the collectors would sneer at it, I've got a hundred year old
#4 in good condition for 50 cents.
I'm happy :-).
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Nice.
The answer to your question is "Syria"
Tom
"Larry Blanchard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Well, I think so anyway. :-).
>
> We went garage sale-ing this morning. At one stop I spied a plastic
> bucket with some plane ends sticking out of it. I went and looked.
> There were two old jointer planes, but the quality was such that if I
> said Monkey Ward made them I'd be exaggerating their quality.
>
> But buried under them was an old Stanley #4. A little light rust, but
> no pitting. I don't have a #4. I nonchalantly picked it up and asked
> what they wanted for it. It's very difficult to keep a straight face
> when the answer comes back "fifty cents?". I didn't have the heart to
> try to beat them down to .25 :-).
>
> So I get it home and start checking it out. It's a type 9 manufactured
> around 1902-1907. Has two patent dates on the frame casting, no frog
> adjustment, etc..
>
> But here it gets strange. The lever cap says "Stanley R & L Bedrock" on
> three lines, which indicates an early Bedrock. Now the frog obviously
> isn't a Bedrock. But somehow I don't think anyone was trying to make me
> think it was more valuable by swapping lever caps :-). And the bedrocks
> did come out in 1910 or thereabouts. So my best guess is that someone
> way back needed a new lever cap and put one from a Bedrock on this
> plane.
>
> BTW, the blade says "Pat Apr 19, 92" on it. I'd guess it to be the
> original blade.
>
> So while the collectors would sneer at it, I've got a hundred year old
> #4 in good condition for 50 cents.
>
> I'm happy :-).
>
> --
> Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
In article <[email protected]>, Jay Knepper
<[email protected]> wrote:
> It will be a great day when some imaginative soul comes up with a
> replacement for "you suck" when responding to "gloat" posts...
You suck.
And you weren't even gloating.
Kevin
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> >
> > But here it gets strange. The lever cap says "Stanley R & L Bedrock" on
> > three lines, which indicates an early Bedrock. Now the frog obviously
> > isn't a Bedrock.
> >
> Putting the bedrock cap on ebay might get you enough for a Lie
> Neilson, stranger auctions have occured.. At least enough for a
> replacement part, a hock iron, and proably a nifty clifton chip
> breaker.
>
I had actually thought of that, and I won't rule it out. But there's
something odd in my brain that says to leave it like it is - it's got a
history even if I don't know the details.
There's something about an old tool with all it's oddities that appeals
to me :-).
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Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
Go to: http://www.stanleytools.com/xhtml/literature/RepairPartsCatalog0304.pdf
Stanley still sells'em, and they should fit. About $15 or so.
Mutt.
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:40:13 GMT, patriarch
>
> >
> Does anyone here have an extra chip breaker for a Stanley #6?
>
>
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:40:13 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in news:2qerhkFu97tlU1@uni-
>berlin.de:
>
><snip>
>>
>> So while the collectors would sneer at it, I've got a hundred year old
>> #4 in good condition for 50 cents.
>>
>> I'm happy :-).
>>
>
>And you ought to be! Make some shavings!
Does anyone here have an extra chip breaker for a Stanley #6?
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Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote in news:2qerhkFu97tlU1@uni-
berlin.de:
<snip>
>
> So while the collectors would sneer at it, I've got a hundred year old
> #4 in good condition for 50 cents.
>
> I'm happy :-).
>
And you ought to be! Make some shavings!
Patriarch
Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
<snip>
>
> Does anyone here have an extra chip breaker for a Stanley #6?
>
Pete Neiderberger, at 415-924-8403 or [email protected]. Parts for
everything. Most of everything. He's in Marin, and next time you're in
the Bay Area, you may want to visit him. His collection is superb, if
somewhat informal. He's a builder that likes old stuff.
He kept our club spellbound for 90 minutes one evening.
Patriarch
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 16:27:26 -0700, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Well, I think so anyway. :-).
>
>We went garage sale-ing this morning. At one stop I spied a plastic
>bucket with some plane ends sticking out of it. I went and looked.
>There were two old jointer planes, but the quality was such that if I
>said Monkey Ward made them I'd be exaggerating their quality.
>
>But buried under them was an old Stanley #4. A little light rust, but
>no pitting. I don't have a #4. I nonchalantly picked it up and asked
>what they wanted for it. It's very difficult to keep a straight face
>when the answer comes back "fifty cents?". I didn't have the heart to
>try to beat them down to .25 :-).
>
You mean you didn't say, "How about $1?" Don't you feel ashamed?
Congratulations, yes, you suck.
>
> But here it gets strange. The lever cap says "Stanley R & L Bedrock" on
> three lines, which indicates an early Bedrock. Now the frog obviously
> isn't a Bedrock. But somehow I don't think anyone was trying to make me
> think it was more valuable by swapping lever caps :-). And the bedrocks
> did come out in 1910 or thereabouts. So my best guess is that someone
> way back needed a new lever cap and put one from a Bedrock on this
> plane.
>
Putting the bedrock cap on ebay might get you enough for a Lie
Neilson, stranger auctions have occured.. At least enough for a
replacement part, a hock iron, and proably a nifty clifton chip
breaker.
Alan
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:06:22 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The bottom part just
>hangs on with a slot-n-tab arrangement, held down by lever cap?
Yes.
>Never saw one in person, just tool porn pictures.
FWW did a head-to-head review of smoothers some years ago. Interesting
results - good planes were generally good, but cheap rubbish (Anant)
could be improved dramatically by some tuning. One of the tweaks they
liked was the Clifton cap iron.
> If so, what's the point?
There are two points.
One, it allows you to strip and hone with disturbing the cap iron
setting. This is quicker, so you're more likely to do it when you need
to. You thus spend more time using a really sharp iron.
Secondly, the freedom on the pins allows a little more leeway to sit
flat on the iron. Stock cap irons usually fit very badly here. They're
nearly always cupped (which is hopeless) and if you do grind them
flat, you have to be careful to get it co-planar with the heel of the
cap iron, or else tightening the screw just puts one corner down.
Thirdly, to make the second point work, they put a bit more effort
into getting it truly flat.
>I mean, why not just redesign the lever cap into a combo
>lever and chip breaker?
Chip breakers need to be held tight against the iron, the double iron
can be held more loosely against the frog (permitting adjustment).
With the Bailey design, the cap iron position also tracks the frog,
rather than the blade edge, as it needs to.
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It will be a great day when some imaginative soul comes up with a
replacement for "you suck" when responding to "gloat" posts...
Jay Knepper
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard
<[email protected]> wrote:
> [snippage]
> >
> >So while the collectors would sneer at it, I've got a hundred year old
> >#4 in good condition for 50 cents.
> >
> You suck!
>
> --
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> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:09:28 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
><snip>
>>
>> Does anyone here have an extra chip breaker for a Stanley #6?
>>
>Pete Neiderberger, at 415-924-8403 or [email protected]. Parts for
>everything. Most of everything. He's in Marin, and next time you're in
>the Bay Area, you may want to visit him. His collection is superb, if
>somewhat informal. He's a builder that likes old stuff.
>
>He kept our club spellbound for 90 minutes one evening.
>
>Patriarch
Thanks, Uncle Pat. I'll give him a holler if I end up going
for that particular plane in a few days.
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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 01:49:10 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote:
> Get the Clifton two part one. Not too expensive and a useful upgrade.
Never saw one in person, just tool porn pictures. The bottom part just
hangs on with a slot-n-tab arrangement, held down by lever cap? If so,
what's the point? I mean, why not just redesign the lever cap into a combo
lever and chip breaker? (Block plane...) The whole cap iron thing seems a
kludge to handle cheaper-to-manufacture thin blades. Am I missing the
point again?
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In article <[email protected]>, Larry Blanchard <[email protected]> wrote:
[snippage]
>
>So while the collectors would sneer at it, I've got a hundred year old
>#4 in good condition for 50 cents.
>
You suck!
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 20:44:36 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>Does anyone here have an extra chip breaker for a Stanley #6?
Get the Clifton two part one. Not too expensive and a useful upgrade.
Whether it's any better an upgrade than a well-tuned and fitted
standard one is a good question, but it's certainly better than stock
off the shelf.
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