Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
line. Suggestions?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
Scribelines, knife lines, punch marks and lasers: All guesses.
+ or - .010" is the typical resolution of target with these lab
helpers.
Some background on the problem:
http://patwarner.com/holding_the_work.html
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On Nov 9, 5:10=A0am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>
> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
> line. =A0Suggestions?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/light...
>
> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
> the lines on the paper. =A0On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to s=
ee.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/light...
On 11/9/2011 9:56 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>>>
>>> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
>>> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
>>> line. Suggestions?
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>>> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to
>>> see.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>>
>>
>> The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three
>> hundred years
>> ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press.
>
> So what were he and his brother Darrel talking about a few years later
> when Darrel astutely observed that something was "as useless as a THIRD
> ROW of tits on a boar hog?"
The CMA awards?
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On Nov 9, 8:34=A0am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> On 11/9/2011 7:15 AM, Dave wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:10:19 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> >> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection =
of
> >> the lines on the paper. =A0On oak the mark is pretty much impossible t=
o see.
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/light..=
.
>
> > You've got a point. Sounds like double perpendicular lines
> > highlighting your scribed line would be much more efficient.
>
> Yeah that would probably be a way around the problem, =A0I have noticed
> that one of the manufacturers of miter saws, maybe Festool, uses a
> double laser to establish where the blade will cut. =A0You use the inside
> edge of the laser to establish where the blade will cut. Still the
> problem with that on the saw set up is that you dont cut on your line,
> you cut beside your line and your line could easily be hidden under the
> wider laser line.
>
> IMHO the biggest problem with using a laser on most of this wood working
> equipment is that the lasers are "CHEAP". =A0I suspect to get an accurate
> line that is 1/128" or less it is going to require a much higher quality
> laser.
>
> Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on
> the wood, not the other way around.
I have seen $ 600 lasers (x2) on a big-ass CNC and even those had
problems with...what do I call it... effervescence, fluorescence,
scatter? The material bounces the -ever-so-fine laser line (green in
this case) all over the place and sets up a glow. The rougher the
material the worst it gets (Obviously)...BUT, white melamine was the
worst of them all.
I think they're gimmicky in too many applications, but nice for
cabinet lay-out and rough work. If I really want to know where I am
going on the DP or CNC, I load a centre point prior to drilling.
In the meantime, I'll ignore the lasers mounted on nose-hair trimmers,
snow-shovels, yard rakes and dinner forks.
On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:
> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>
> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
> line. Suggestions?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>
> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred
years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press.
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Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>
> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the
> marked line. Suggestions?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbo
> x/
>
>
> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection
> of the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible
> to see.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbo
> x/
My Ryboi has the same problem. The better solution is simply not to use
a laser at all, but perhaps a LED mounted on a gooseneck would be nice.
All I'm trying to do is eliminate the shadows that make a line hard to
see sometimes.
Puckdropper
On 11/9/2011 9:55 AM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Nov 9, 8:34 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
> In the meantime, I'll ignore the lasers mounted on nose-hair trimmers,
> snow-shovels, yard rakes and dinner forks.
Ok! I actually saw this on Cool Tools last night. A conventional hand
saw with a laser in the lower part of the handle.
On 11/9/2011 12:32 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
> On Nov 9, 5:10 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>>
>> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
>> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
>> line. Suggestions?
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/light...
>>
>> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/light...
>
> Your laser looks like shit compared to mine. Nanananana.
LOL.. I would certainty hope sooooo.
Consider distance - that improves the angle.
I used tacked up marks on the wall in my old shop -
Aiming 20' or so is tough - I used binoculars to spot
the dot on the far wall as I nudged the partially tightened stand.
If your laser can't split and spot a distant wall - get a new laser.
Shooting off a fuzzy edge will reflect a fuzzy beam. Develop a new method.
Try shooting the beam directly - is it sharp or fuzzy.
Martin
On 11/10/2011 4:24 PM, Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> On Nov 9, 8:34 am, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on
>> the wood, not the other way around.
>
> Mark with chalk.
>
> Problem solved.
>
> --
>
> FF
>
On Nov 9, 5:10=A0am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>
> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
> line. =A0Suggestions?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/light...
>
> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
> the lines on the paper. =A0On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to s=
ee.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/light...
Your laser looks like shit compared to mine. Nanananana.
On 11/10/2011 9:49 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
> Consider distance - that improves the angle.
>
> I used tacked up marks on the wall in my old shop -
> Aiming 20' or so is tough - I used binoculars to spot
> the dot on the far wall as I nudged the partially tightened stand.
>
> If your laser can't split and spot a distant wall - get a new laser.
>
> Shooting off a fuzzy edge will reflect a fuzzy beam. Develop a new method.
>
> Try shooting the beam directly - is it sharp or fuzzy.
>
> Martin
I think my point is that you don't need a laser to hit your mark on a DP.
On 11/9/2011 7:15 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:10:19 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> You've got a point. Sounds like double perpendicular lines
> highlighting your scribed line would be much more efficient.
Yeah that would probably be a way around the problem, I have noticed
that one of the manufacturers of miter saws, maybe Festool, uses a
double laser to establish where the blade will cut. You use the inside
edge of the laser to establish where the blade will cut. Still the
problem with that on the saw set up is that you dont cut on your line,
you cut beside your line and your line could easily be hidden under the
wider laser line.
IMHO the biggest problem with using a laser on most of this wood working
equipment is that the lasers are "CHEAP". I suspect to get an accurate
line that is 1/128" or less it is going to require a much higher quality
laser.
Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the lines you mark on
the wood, not the other way around.
On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:21:41 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>I think my point is that you don't need a laser to hit your mark on a DP.
Of course not. Else, past generations of woodworkers would have built
junk. Trouble is that lasers for woodworking fell into the same
category as early digital watches. They became mass produced crap
without any quality attached to them ~ all to satisfy the fascination
with new technology.
On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>>
>> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
>> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
>> line. Suggestions?
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred years
> ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press.
So what were he and his brother Darrel talking about a few years later when
Darrel astutely observed that something was "as useless as a THIRD ROW of tits
on a boar hog?"
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On 11/9/11 9:56 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>>>
>>> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
>>> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
>>> line. Suggestions?
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>>> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to
>>> see.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>>
>>
>> The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three
>> hundred years
>> ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press.
>
> So what were he and his brother Darrel talking about a few years later
> when Darrel astutely observed that something was "as useless as a THIRD
> ROW of tits on a boar hog?"
>
Their sheep? :-)
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In news:[email protected],
Fred the Red Shirt <[email protected]> typed:
> On Nov 9, 8:34 am, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> Seriously the laser line needs to be thinner than the
>> lines you mark on the wood, not the other way around.
>
> Mark with chalk.
>
> Problem solved.
Or tape
"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>
> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary. The
> resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked line.
> Suggestions?
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>
> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
I was going to suggest the center point tool but Robatoy beat me to it. That
is a foolproof way. WW
On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 07:10:19 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
You've got a point. Sounds like double perpendicular lines
highlighting your scribed line would be much more efficient.
"routerman" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Scribelines, knife lines, punch marks and lasers: All guesses.
+ or - .010" is the typical resolution of target with these lab
helpers.
Some background on the problem:
http://patwarner.com/holding_the_work.html
************************************************************
For your average amateur, you're probably right. I can hit a layout line
within .003 all day long. Of course, that's in metal. In wood, maintaining
those kinds of tolerances is about impossible but you can easily lay out and
hit the mark very accurately. Even in wood, if I were to miss by .010, I
would be HIGHLY disappointed in myself.
On 11/9/2011 7:54 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 11/9/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Here is I my problem I have with the laser on a/my DP.
>>
>> The bit gets in the way unless it is raised up higher than necessary.
>> The resolution "EVEN on the THIN line is double the width of the marked
>> line. Suggestions?
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221819/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>>
>> And as you can see, the laser lines pretty much hide the intersection of
>> the lines on the paper. On oak the mark is pretty much impossible to see.
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6328221349/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> The guy who first said "as useless as tits on a boar hog" three hundred
> years ago was specifically talking about the laser on his drill press.
>
Mine just happened to have a laser, it in no way was a feature for me to
choose that model.
On 11/9/2011 9:55 AM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> I have seen $ 600 lasers (x2) on a big-ass CNC and even those had
> problems with...what do I call it... effervescence, fluorescence,
> scatter? The material bounces the -ever-so-fine laser line (green in
> this case) all over the place and sets up a glow. The rougher the
> material the worst it gets (Obviously)...BUT, white melamine was the
> worst of them all.
> I think they're gimmicky in too many applications, but nice for
> cabinet lay-out and rough work. If I really want to know where I am
> going on the DP or CNC, I load a centre point prior to drilling.
>
> In the meantime, I'll ignore the lasers mounted on nose-hair trimmers,
> snow-shovels, yard rakes and dinner forks.
LOL I have not seen any of those laser enhanced tools yet but I am
thinking a laser on a hammer, or screw driver, or pencil for gosh sakes.
Maybe even an eraser.