Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
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Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
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On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:10:24 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
Good job!
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/23/2014 5:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
>> access to shower and facilities:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>>
>>
>> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>>
>
> Nice job.
>
> 2 things, did you paint blue before putting tiles up in the bathroom or
> is that something else?
Sealant, we call it "Red Gard", although it is sometimes blue.
> The shower doors look wrong. Since the shower head is to the left, the
> outter sliding door should be on the outside to prevent water from going
> between the 2 panes, it looks like the opening is the inside door.
By design (although not an issue with a properly installed "frameless"
shower door). Keep in mind, as stated, the main use for this shower is for
the handicapped client who will be using the hand held shower head from the
seat opposite the wall mounted shower head. (the "color coordinated" holder
for the handheld unit next to the shower seat is on backorder, as well as
the handheld supply "elbow", thus not pictured.)
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On 1/25/2014 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:42:36 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
>
>> I gotta admit that I kinda wanted to give it a test drive (only in the
>>
>> interest of QA, or course) but didn't have the necessary urge within the
>>
>> time allowed. ;)
>
> You should have visited that joint where you and Leon like to go for Mex! That could have started the ball rolling...
>
>>
>> What was funny was when we were installing the handicap bars around the
>>
>> Butt Spa, I sat, fully clothed, on the seat (which automagically opens
>>
>> when you approach the beast) to judge the correct height of said bars,
>>
>> and it warmed up the butt end my jeans considerably ... a strange sensation.
>
> Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can a plastic seat get? Of course, I guess it doesn't have to be that old sometimes to interrupt the initial "flow" of things. Is it 110V, plugged in behind the unit? Does the lid close by itself as well? Inquiring minds need to know.
>
> All that thing needs is a washer nozzle and it would be perfect.
110v, dedicated GFCI ... I simply rerouted the dedicated GFCI circuit
that was designated for the old Jacuzzi tub.
The both lids programmably open and close automagically. They/it opens
when you walk up, programmable for either for male or female, and closes
the same a few minutes after you walk away.
Totally programmable, for heating, washing, wiping, drying, (and
possibly kissing?) with remote control, for two users.
Not one washer nozzle but two, one for the butt, the other for the more
delicate female unit ... either, or both remotely programmable at the
push of the button.
Here's a similar unit:
http://www.totousa.com/Washlet/G500.aspx
> I am impressed it was installable. I don't stray much off the path these days having had to jackhammer up a piece of slab, replace/relocate the lead drain boot/bowl ring for a fancy turbo flush monster in a house. Now I let the client pick out the toilet as I too was assured that the toilet was a "universal fit" to existing dimensions. Nope. Another expensive lesson for yours truly.
>
> No kidding... a heated seat. I had heard of them but never actually knew of someone installing one.
The thing is scary. When you see those nozzles come out, you start
worrying about keeping any virginity you might possess! ;)
> I hope Kathy doesn't find that as an after market install.
I have, wisely, refused to let Linda see it in operation.
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On 1/25/2014 2:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:42:30 PM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
>> The above mentioned subs, with the exception of the glass block mason,
>>
>> have been working with me for a decade or more, so our established
>>
>> relationships, based on mutual trust and their ability to do it
>>
>> punctually and right, were the most important element in getting this
>>
>> job done correctly and in a timely manner.
>
> NICE job. I really like the clean, modern design, too.
>
> I have to say though as I must have been the only one that noticed it... where in the world did you find that toilet. I watched that video about 5 times! Neat stuff!
>
> Robert
>
>
I think they found it at the "nothing Under $2,000.00" store. :~)
We have some friends that own on of those contraptions, pretty cool.
But do you really need something else to keep you in there longer? LOL
Leon wrote:
> How cold do you let it get inside??
----------------------------------------------
"Mike Marlow" wrote:
> Woke up one morning and the fuel oil had run out. It was 52F in the
> house. The wood stove had been banked down for the night and it had
> plenty of coals to get a new fire going, but it wasn't prepared to
> cope with those temperatures all by itself at the night time
> setting. We keep our boiler thermostats set on 62F and let the wood
> stove take care of the rest of the heat. Generally speaking it does
> a pretty good job at that. Our house can stay in the mid 70's that
> way. If we crank the stove we can get it to almost 80F. But - at
> night it gets banked down and we usually expect to get up to a house
> that is no colder than mid to upper 60's. In this cold snap it's
> important to regulate heat where you want it and where you don't by
> closing doors to upper rooms, and/or opening doors to lower rooms.
> Leave a first floor bathroom door closed in these temps and I can
> assure you it will get cold enough to make you wish you hadn't.
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Reading the above reminds me of just how fortunate I was to escape to
SoCal.
Feel sorry for you folks over the hill from SoCal.
Just glad I don't have to experience that kind of weather any more.
Still haven't broken out a jacket this season.
Temps only reached mid 70s today, just the Santana's (Devil winds),
but no rain.
Lew
On Friday, January 24, 2014 1:42:30 PM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
SNIP
> The above mentioned subs, with the exception of the glass block mason,
>
> have been working with me for a decade or more, so our established
>
> relationships, based on mutual trust and their ability to do it
>
> punctually and right, were the most important element in getting this
>
> job done correctly and in a timely manner.
NICE job. I really like the clean, modern design, too.
I have to say though as I must have been the only one that noticed it... where in the world did you find that toilet. I watched that video about 5 times! Neat stuff!
Robert
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:50:50 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 1/26/2014 6:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> How cold do you let it get inside??
>>>
>>
>> Woke up one morning and the fuel oil had run out. It was 52F in the house.
>> The wood stove had been banked down for the night and it had plenty of coals
>> to get a new fire going, but it wasn't prepared to cope with those
>> temperatures all by itself at the night time setting. We keep our boiler
>> thermostats set on 62F and let the wood stove take care of the rest of the
>> heat. Generally speaking it does a pretty good job at that. Our house can
>> stay in the mid 70's that way. If we crank the stove we can get it to
>> almost 80F. But - at night it gets banked down and we usually expect to get
>> up to a house that is no colder than mid to upper 60's. In this cold snap
>> it's important to regulate heat where you want it and where you don't by
>> closing doors to upper rooms, and/or opening doors to lower rooms. Leave a
>> first floor bathroom door closed in these temps and I can assure you it will
>> get cold enough to make you wish you hadn't.
>>
>>
>
>
>Well at night you keep your house 6 degrees cooler than I do.
When we lived in Vermont, we set the thermostat back to 58F at night
and up to a toasty 64F during the day (usually bumped up to 66F during
the evening). Here in GA, I keep it at about 66 or 67, down to 65F at
night. Heating is much cheaper here.
On 1/25/2014 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:42:36 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
>
>> I gotta admit that I kinda wanted to give it a test drive (only in the
>>
>> interest of QA, or course) but didn't have the necessary urge within the
>>
>> time allowed. ;)
>
> You should have visited that joint where you and Leon like to go for Mex! That could have started the ball rolling...
>
>>
>> What was funny was when we were installing the handicap bars around the
>>
>> Butt Spa, I sat, fully clothed, on the seat (which automagically opens
>>
>> when you approach the beast) to judge the correct height of said bars,
>>
>> and it warmed up the butt end my jeans considerably ... a strange sensation.
>
> Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can a plastic seat get? Of course, I guess it doesn't have to be that old sometimes to interrupt the initial "flow" of things. Is it 110V, plugged in behind the unit? Does the lid close by itself as well? Inquiring minds need to know.
>
> All that thing needs is a washer nozzle and it would be perfect.
>
> I am impressed it was installable. I don't stray much off the path these days having had to jackhammer up a piece of slab, replace/relocate the lead drain boot/bowl ring for a fancy turbo flush monster in a house. Now I let the client pick out the toilet as I too was assured that the toilet was a "universal fit" to existing dimensions. Nope. Another expensive lesson for yours truly.
>
> No kidding... a heated seat. I had heard of them but never actually knew of someone installing one.
>
> I hope Kathy doesn't find that as an after market install.
>
> Robert
>
>
You need to look into those things, there is a spray nozzle that comes
out and washes you down too. Seriously!
On 1/25/2014 10:42 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/25/2014 8:15 AM, Leon wrote:
>
>> I think they found it at the "nothing Under $2,000.00" store. :~)
>
> Bingo! ;)
>
>> We have some friends that own on of those contraptions, pretty cool. But
>> do you really need something else to keep you in there longer? LOL
>
> I gotta admit that I kinda wanted to give it a test drive (only in the
> interest of QA, or course) but didn't have the necessary urge within the
> time allowed. ;)
>
> What was funny was when we were installing the handicap bars around the
> Butt Spa, I sat, fully clothed, on the seat (which automagically opens
> when you approach the beast) to judge the correct height of said bars,
> and it warmed up the butt end my jeans considerably ... a strange
> sensation.
>
Now that would have been too funny had it started to clean things up
down there too. :~)
On 1/24/2014 11:01 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:> Swingman wrote:
>> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
>> access to shower and facilities:
>>
>>
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>>
>> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>
> Nice job Karl. How many on the crew?
Two of us, Carlos Ruff (my good friend, fishing buddy, and goto guy for
all things construction) and I did everything from design, to demo, to
framing, to trim out carpentry, except:
Subs: rough-in plumbing (1), glass window block installation (1), tile
installation, painting (2), and the sliding shower door installation (1).
Actually, due to drain to wall distance issues in the tract built home,
the commode/bidet/"butt spa" installation (medically of utmost
importance to the project) was actually too complicated, and
non-standard, to leave to a plumber.
I came up with the installation method for the $3000 unit, which the
plumber had never seen/dealt with. Carlos and I did the actual
installation, with the plumber as our helper (basically he had a truck
full of most of the arcane bits and pieces we needed, and he is licensed
to say the final blessing over our installation ... but mostly just got
in our way ;) ).
> It would have been a challenge for me
> to complete a task like that in 19 days by myself. Challenge hell -
might
> just have missed the time allocation!
Carlos and I have a lot of practice. We have done complete baths, from
to-the-studs demo to the finished product in +/- 18 days, including all
plumbing, bathtub installation, electrical, painting, et al ... but
there was no tile involved.
It do take a bit of planning, persistence, and a small amount of cussing
and cajoling. ;)
Started in late November on the design (yep, Sketchup to the rescue),
numerous meeting with clients to go over details and handicap
requirements, staging all needed materials on site, purchasing all
fixtures, supplies, and getting firm commitments as to dates from the
plumbing contractor, tile installer, glass block installer, paint
contractor, and sliding glass door contractor during the month of December.
The client wanted it done in December, but I advised them against it as
no matter what subs tell you, you will not be able to find one the last
10 days of December (Christmas holidays), and therefore if there is a
month that would throw a monkey wrench into a tight schedule, it is
December, so we started Jan 2nd.
Scheduling was critical, as the client, suffering from advancing ALS
complicated by respiratory problems, had to move to a hotel, at great
discomfort and hardship.
I had contractually promised the client no more than thirty days - she
moved back in on the evening of the 19th day.
The above mentioned subs, with the exception of the glass block mason,
have been working with me for a decade or more, so our established
relationships, based on mutual trust and their ability to do it
punctually and right, were the most important element in getting this
job done correctly and in a timely manner.
AAMOF, except for the beginning and end, I spent a good deal of my time
running errands for this and that, being there to answer
questions/advise, and just watching paint dry. ;)
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On 1/26/2014 6:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>> How cold do you let it get inside??
>>
>
> Woke up one morning and the fuel oil had run out. It was 52F in the house.
> The wood stove had been banked down for the night and it had plenty of coals
> to get a new fire going, but it wasn't prepared to cope with those
> temperatures all by itself at the night time setting. We keep our boiler
> thermostats set on 62F and let the wood stove take care of the rest of the
> heat. Generally speaking it does a pretty good job at that. Our house can
> stay in the mid 70's that way. If we crank the stove we can get it to
> almost 80F. But - at night it gets banked down and we usually expect to get
> up to a house that is no colder than mid to upper 60's. In this cold snap
> it's important to regulate heat where you want it and where you don't by
> closing doors to upper rooms, and/or opening doors to lower rooms. Leave a
> first floor bathroom door closed in these temps and I can assure you it will
> get cold enough to make you wish you hadn't.
>
>
Well at night you keep your house 6 degrees cooler than I do.
On 1/26/2014 1:44 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 1/25/2014 8:47 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can
>>>> a plastic seat get?
>>>
>>> Ummmmmm... in the climates further north than your agreeable climate
>>> - VERY freakin' cold. It's always best to be the second person to
>>> sit on the seat - if you don't wait too long after the first person.
>>> Do you have any idea at all what -25F translates to in terms of
>>> toilet seat temperature at 5:00AM?
>>>
>>
>> No, and I seriously doubt that your indoor toilet is anywhere near
>> -25F degrees either, regardless of what time it is.
>>
>
> Of course - but when it's that cold outside, it's too cold inside! You
> southerners don't realize the impact of low outside temps on the living
> conditions inside the house. Yer butt can say "WOW" on those cold mornings!
How cold do you let it get inside??
>
>
>> I surely would not sit on the hood of my truck butt naked on August 31
>> at 3 PM and I suspect you don't do the same during the dead of
>> winter. ;~)
>
> Well - there are those guys who say "Hey hold my beer... watch this...". We
> have them around here too...
Yeah buddy! LOL
>
On 1/25/2014 12:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> No kidding... a heated seat. I had heard of them but never actually knew of someone installing one.
>
> I hope Kathy doesn't find that as an after market install.
When I first discovered the TV "Remote" app for my iPhone/iPad, I would
torment Linda by changing the channel she was watching (preferably to a
Spanish one) from an upstairs room while she was watching TV downstairs
in the den.
Just imagine the fun to be had with this toilet remote control. <EG>
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KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 1/23/2014 5:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
> access to shower and facilities:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>
>
> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>
Nice job.
2 things, did you paint blue before putting tiles up in the bathroom or
is that something else?
The shower doors look wrong. Since the shower head is to the left, the
outter sliding door should be on the outside to prevent water from going
between the 2 panes, it looks like the opening is the inside door.
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Swingman wrote:
> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
> access to shower and facilities:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>
> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>
I don't think I could have held it for 19 days.
Good job!
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On Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:42:36 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
=20
> I gotta admit that I kinda wanted to give it a test drive (only in the=20
>=20
> interest of QA, or course) but didn't have the necessary urge within the=
=20
>=20
> time allowed. ;)
You should have visited that joint where you and Leon like to go for Mex! =
That could have started the ball rolling...=20
=20
>=20
> What was funny was when we were installing the handicap bars around the=
=20
>=20
> Butt Spa, I sat, fully clothed, on the seat (which automagically opens=20
>=20
> when you approach the beast) to judge the correct height of said bars,=20
>=20
> and it warmed up the butt end my jeans considerably ... a strange sensati=
on.
Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can a plas=
tic seat get? Of course, I guess it doesn't have to be that old sometimes =
to interrupt the initial "flow" of things. Is it 110V, plugged in behind t=
he unit? Does the lid close by itself as well? Inquiring minds need to kn=
ow.
All that thing needs is a washer nozzle and it would be perfect. =20
I am impressed it was installable. I don't stray much off the path these d=
ays having had to jackhammer up a piece of slab, replace/relocate the lead =
drain boot/bowl ring for a fancy turbo flush monster in a house. Now I let=
the client pick out the toilet as I too was assured that the toilet was a =
"universal fit" to existing dimensions. Nope. Another expensive lesson fo=
r yours truly.
No kidding... a heated seat. I had heard of them but never actually knew o=
f someone installing one. =20
I hope Kathy doesn't find that as an after market install.
Robert
On 1/25/2014 2:05 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> NICE job. I really like the clean, modern design, too.
As always, Linda shopped the tile and did the tile design.
> I have to say though as I must have been the only one that noticed it... where in the world did you find that toilet. I watched that video about 5 times! Neat stuff!
I took that video because I was so damned happy to get that "Butt Spa"
mounted, and flushing without a leak, that I was ready to cry. ;0>
You will appreciate what usually happens when a salesman promises a
client that if an "industry standard fixture" is currently installed,
this fixture will "absolutely fit", right?
Yeah, right ... never fails to be wrong, and it ain't the salesman (nor
the plumber) who has to somehow make it work ... and 24 hours before the
client move-in time.
And do so without moving the drain (tearing out the slab), and/or moving
the wall (which contained a supply line AND vent pipe _directly_ in line
with the drain and too close to the sill plate to gain the needed
clearance, which also precluded creating a recess in the finished wall
for the back of the commode)
Long story, but with a bit of Cajun ingenuity, born of desperate
necessity, and facing a deadline cast in concrete, all's well that ends
well.
IOW, I'm damned proud to have been able to take that video. ;)
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On 1/24/2014 12:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/24/14, 12:25 PM, Swingman wrote:
> I encourage you to check it out and use their whole system next time you
> get the chance... with availability of course.
I saw it at a GHBA seminar a few years back and was intrigued.
Providing I can insure "in stock" availability, and based on your
recommendation, I'll definitely consider it on this next bath remodel
which is right around the corner.
Be a good time to try it.
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On 1/25/2014 8:47 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can
>> a plastic seat get?
>
> Ummmmmm... in the climates further north than your agreeable climate - VERY
> freakin' cold. It's always best to be the second person to sit on the
> seat - if you don't wait too long after the first person. Do you have any
> idea at all what -25F translates to in terms of toilet seat temperature at
> 5:00AM?
>
No, and I seriously doubt that your indoor toilet is anywhere near -25F
degrees either, regardless of what time it is.
By the same token in the south I too have no idea what 108F degree
translates to in terms of indoor toilet seat temperatures.
I surely would not sit on the hood of my truck butt naked on August 31
at 3 PM and I suspect you don't do the same during the dead of winter. ;~)
>>
>> No kidding... a heated seat. I had heard of them but never actually
>> knew of someone installing one.
>
> Heated seat - I just let the better half use it first. Feels just perfect
> after she gets off.
>
>
On 1/24/2014 10:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> Great work, as usual.
> Has Schluter systems made it your way, yet? Have you ever used it. I
> used their Ditra underlayment, Kerdi membrane and Kerdi wall boards for
> our baths remodel.
>
> http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx
Yep, Home Depot carries it here, among other places. Mostly online
special ordering though, so thus far I have not used it due to logistics
and lack of being able to "run to the store" when stuff happens. ;)
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On 1/23/2014 8:26 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> Is the red gard required by code?
> I have to do a makeover on my master bath sometime.. been thinking about
> how I am going to do it.
Prudent, but not required. At least not around here.
Tile installers have been using "red gard" for a few years, and in some
locations where plumbers do not do shower pans, it is often all that is
used in lieu of a membrane shower pan.
An example, in a similar, but smaller shower I did in AR last year,
where it does happen to be "red" :
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JDup3M2llMrd6baN_HCATdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
I require, and spec both as a rule, as well as a 24 hour leak test,
which could also be seen in process in the photos of the subject bath.
All elements of "plumbing", and a shower pan is part of the plumbing
system IMO, should require a leak test.
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On 1/23/14, 9:14 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/23/2014 8:26 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>
>> Is the red gard required by code?
>> I have to do a makeover on my master bath sometime.. been thinking about
>> how I am going to do it.
>
> Prudent, but not required. At least not around here.
>
> Tile installers have been using "red gard" for a few years, and in some
> locations where plumbers do not do shower pans, it is often all that is
> used in lieu of a membrane shower pan.
>
> An example, in a similar, but smaller shower I did in AR last year,
> where it does happen to be "red" :
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JDup3M2llMrd6baN_HCATdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
>
> I require, and spec both as a rule, as well as a 24 hour leak test,
> which could also be seen in process in the photos of the subject bath.
>
> All elements of "plumbing", and a shower pan is part of the plumbing
> system IMO, should require a leak test.
>
Great work, as usual.
Has Schluter systems made it your way, yet? Have you ever used it. I
used their Ditra underlayment, Kerdi membrane and Kerdi wall boards for
our baths remodel.
http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx
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Swingman wrote:
> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
> access to shower and facilities:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>
> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
Nice job Karl. How many on the crew? It would have been a challenge for me
to complete a task like that in 19 days by myself. Challenge hell - might
just have missed the time allocation!
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Swingman wrote:
> On 1/23/2014 8:26 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>
>> Is the red gard required by code?
>> I have to do a makeover on my master bath sometime.. been thinking
>> about how I am going to do it.
>
> Prudent, but not required. At least not around here.
>
> Tile installers have been using "red gard" for a few years, and in
> some locations where plumbers do not do shower pans, it is often all
> that is used in lieu of a membrane shower pan.
>
What do you use to tape the joints in the cement board Karl?
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On 1/24/14, 12:25 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/24/2014 10:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>> Great work, as usual.
>> Has Schluter systems made it your way, yet? Have you ever used it. I
>> used their Ditra underlayment, Kerdi membrane and Kerdi wall boards for
>> our baths remodel.
>>
>> http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx
>
> Yep, Home Depot carries it here, among other places. Mostly online
> special ordering though, so thus far I have not used it due to logistics
> and lack of being able to "run to the store" when stuff happens. ;)
>
I encourage you to check it out and use their whole system next time you
get the chance... with availability of course.
Their Kerdi boards are structural, so you can frame up walls and
steps/seats, etc with the rigid foam sections that already have the
membrane permanently attached. No 2x lumber build-outs, then covering in
rubber, then seam tape, etc.
Their seam tape is made of the same membrane and is applied with
thin-set, no expensive specialty adhesives. The Kerdi membrane can go
over anything. No need for green-board or cement board. It can go right
on drywall. But on to-the-studs remodels, you just use their 1/2" Kerdi
board instead of drywall/cement board.
Their shower pan systems are also pretty ridiculous. One guy who is
experience with the Schluter schtuff (<-- see what I did there) could
have an entire to-the-studs build-out ready for tile in one long day
with nothing more than thinset and utility knives.
There are a ton of videos on their site and youtube. I was very
skeptical at first, thinking, "It just can't be that easy," but it was.
When I was finished with each step, I was all "No way I'm finished with
this. That's can;t be there is to it."
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
>> access to shower and facilities:
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>>
>> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
> Nice job Karl. How many on the crew? It would have been a challenge for me
> to complete a task like that in 19 days by myself. Challenge hell - might
> just have missed the time allocation!
>
Yep, definitely a nice job. You obviously have a great work ethic going
for you!
It makes some of us feel like slobs.. ; )
Bill
Bill wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
>>> access to shower and facilities:
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>>>
>>>
>>> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>> Nice job Karl. How many on the crew? It would have been a challenge
>> for me
>> to complete a task like that in 19 days by myself. Challenge hell -
>> might
>> just have missed the time allocation!
>>
> Yep, definitely a nice job. You obviously have a great work ethic
> going for you!
> It makes some of us feel like slobs.. ; )
I didn't really mean that last part of course, Karl. I wondered where
you had been!
>
> Bill
On 1/24/2014 1:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/24/14, 12:25 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 1/24/2014 10:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>> Great work, as usual.
>>> Has Schluter systems made it your way, yet? Have you ever used it. I
>>> used their Ditra underlayment, Kerdi membrane and Kerdi wall boards for
>>> our baths remodel.
>>>
>>> http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx
>>
>> Yep, Home Depot carries it here, among other places. Mostly online
>> special ordering though, so thus far I have not used it due to logistics
>> and lack of being able to "run to the store" when stuff happens. ;)
>>
>
> I encourage you to check it out and use their whole system next time you
> get the chance... with availability of course.
>
> Their Kerdi boards are structural, so you can frame up walls and
> steps/seats, etc with the rigid foam sections that already have the
> membrane permanently attached. No 2x lumber build-outs, then covering in
> rubber, then seam tape, etc.
>
> Their seam tape is made of the same membrane and is applied with
> thin-set, no expensive specialty adhesives. The Kerdi membrane can go
> over anything. No need for green-board or cement board. It can go right
> on drywall. But on to-the-studs remodels, you just use their 1/2" Kerdi
> board instead of drywall/cement board.
>
> Their shower pan systems are also pretty ridiculous. One guy who is
> experience with the Schluter schtuff (<-- see what I did there) could
> have an entire to-the-studs build-out ready for tile in one long day
> with nothing more than thinset and utility knives.
>
> There are a ton of videos on their site and youtube. I was very
> skeptical at first, thinking, "It just can't be that easy," but it was.
> When I was finished with each step, I was all "No way I'm finished with
> this. That's can;t be there is to it."
>
>
I'm doing a to-the-studs rip and replace of a very small en suite bathroom.
My first truly complete replacement and it is going a lot slower than 'one
long day'. Hell, it took me three days to get out the lead shower pan and
complete mud bed floor. I worked very carefully on that so as to not cause
any structural damage. I'm finally down to fitting the replacement floor
(no mud!) and am using Schluter all the way -- Ditra and Kerdi with the
foam pan and bench. There was some pretty nasty stuff going on in the walls
and floor of the old shower and I'm looking forward to a truly waterproof
system in the next go-round which had better last longer than I do since
I'm never going to do this sort of job again.
On 1/25/14, 12:56 PM, BenignBodger wrote:
> On 1/24/2014 1:43 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 1/24/14, 12:25 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2014 10:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great work, as usual. Has Schluter systems made it your way,
>>>> yet? Have you ever used it. I used their Ditra underlayment,
>>>> Kerdi membrane and Kerdi wall boards for our baths remodel.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx
>>>
>>> Yep, Home Depot carries it here, among other places. Mostly
>>> online special ordering though, so thus far I have not used it
>>> due to logistics and lack of being able to "run to the store"
>>> when stuff happens. ;)
>>>
>>
>> I encourage you to check it out and use their whole system next
>> time you get the chance... with availability of course.
>>
>> Their Kerdi boards are structural, so you can frame up walls and
>> steps/seats, etc with the rigid foam sections that already have
>> the membrane permanently attached. No 2x lumber build-outs, then
>> covering in rubber, then seam tape, etc.
>>
>> Their seam tape is made of the same membrane and is applied with
>> thin-set, no expensive specialty adhesives. The Kerdi membrane can
>> go over anything. No need for green-board or cement board. It can
>> go right on drywall. But on to-the-studs remodels, you just use
>> their 1/2" Kerdi board instead of drywall/cement board.
>>
>> Their shower pan systems are also pretty ridiculous. One guy who
>> is experience with the Schluter schtuff (<-- see what I did there)
>> could have an entire to-the-studs build-out ready for tile in one
>> long day with nothing more than thinset and utility knives.
>>
>> There are a ton of videos on their site and youtube. I was very
>> skeptical at first, thinking, "It just can't be that easy," but it
>> was. When I was finished with each step, I was all "No way I'm
>> finished with this. That's can;t be there is to it."
>>
>>
>
>
> I'm doing a to-the-studs rip and replace of a very small en suite
> bathroom. My first truly complete replacement and it is going a lot
> slower than 'one long day'. Hell, it took me three days to get out
> the lead shower pan and complete mud bed floor. I worked very
> carefully on that so as to not cause any structural damage. I'm
> finally down to fitting the replacement floor (no mud!) and am using
> Schluter all the way -- Ditra and Kerdi with the foam pan and bench.
> There was some pretty nasty stuff going on in the walls and floor of
> the old shower and I'm looking forward to a truly waterproof system
> in the next go-round which had better last longer than I do since I'm
> never going to do this sort of job again.
When I said "one long day," I was talking about a room that was to the
studs and subfloor and ready for the Schluter Schtuff to be installed.
AND an experienced guy who works with the stuff every day.
When you watch the videos of the guys who demonstrate it, it's amazing
how fast and perfect they work.
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[email protected] wrote:
> Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can
> a plastic seat get?
Ummmmmm... in the climates further north than your agreeable climate - VERY
freakin' cold. It's always best to be the second person to sit on the
seat - if you don't wait too long after the first person. Do you have any
idea at all what -25F translates to in terms of toilet seat temperature at
5:00AM?
>
> No kidding... a heated seat. I had heard of them but never actually
> knew of someone installing one.
Heated seat - I just let the better half use it first. Feels just perfect
after she gets off.
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Leon wrote:
> On 1/25/2014 8:47 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Wait... WHAT? It has a butt heater, too? No kidding? How cold can
>>> a plastic seat get?
>>
>> Ummmmmm... in the climates further north than your agreeable climate
>> - VERY freakin' cold. It's always best to be the second person to
>> sit on the seat - if you don't wait too long after the first person.
>> Do you have any idea at all what -25F translates to in terms of
>> toilet seat temperature at 5:00AM?
>>
>
> No, and I seriously doubt that your indoor toilet is anywhere near
> -25F degrees either, regardless of what time it is.
>
Of course - but when it's that cold outside, it's too cold inside! You
southerners don't realize the impact of low outside temps on the living
conditions inside the house. Yer butt can say "WOW" on those cold mornings!
> I surely would not sit on the hood of my truck butt naked on August 31
> at 3 PM and I suspect you don't do the same during the dead of
> winter. ;~)
Well - there are those guys who say "Hey hold my beer... watch this...". We
have them around here too...
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Leon wrote:
> How cold do you let it get inside??
>
Woke up one morning and the fuel oil had run out. It was 52F in the house.
The wood stove had been banked down for the night and it had plenty of coals
to get a new fire going, but it wasn't prepared to cope with those
temperatures all by itself at the night time setting. We keep our boiler
thermostats set on 62F and let the wood stove take care of the rest of the
heat. Generally speaking it does a pretty good job at that. Our house can
stay in the mid 70's that way. If we crank the stove we can get it to
almost 80F. But - at night it gets banked down and we usually expect to get
up to a house that is no colder than mid to upper 60's. In this cold snap
it's important to regulate heat where you want it and where you don't by
closing doors to upper rooms, and/or opening doors to lower rooms. Leave a
first floor bathroom door closed in these temps and I can assure you it will
get cold enough to make you wish you hadn't.
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On 1/24/2014 11:04 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> What do you use to tape the joints in the cement board Karl?
Joints floated with the same tile mortar used for time, 2" glass fiber
tape, then RedGard.
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On 1/23/2014 10:14 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/23/2014 8:26 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>
>> Is the red gard required by code?
>> I have to do a makeover on my master bath sometime.. been thinking about
>> how I am going to do it.
>
> Prudent, but not required. At least not around here.
>
> Tile installers have been using "red gard" for a few years, and in some
> locations where plumbers do not do shower pans, it is often all that is
> used in lieu of a membrane shower pan.
>
> An example, in a similar, but smaller shower I did in AR last year,
> where it does happen to be "red" :
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JDup3M2llMrd6baN_HCATdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>
>
> I require, and spec both as a rule, as well as a 24 hour leak test,
> which could also be seen in process in the photos of the subject bath.
I saw that and thought it was important too. Thanks for the info.
I'll make sure I do all of that when I finally do the bath upgrade.
>
> All elements of "plumbing", and a shower pan is part of the plumbing
> system IMO, should require a leak test.
>
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On 1/24/14 9:43 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/23/14, 9:14 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 1/23/2014 8:26 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>
>>> Is the red gard required by code?
>>> I have to do a makeover on my master bath sometime.. been thinking about
>>> how I am going to do it.
>>
>> Prudent, but not required. At least not around here.
>>
>> Tile installers have been using "red gard" for a few years, and in some
>> locations where plumbers do not do shower pans, it is often all that is
>> used in lieu of a membrane shower pan.
>>
>> An example, in a similar, but smaller shower I did in AR last year,
>> where it does happen to be "red" :
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/JDup3M2llMrd6baN_HCATdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
>>
>>
>>
>> I require, and spec both as a rule, as well as a 24 hour leak test,
>> which could also be seen in process in the photos of the subject bath.
>>
>> All elements of "plumbing", and a shower pan is part of the plumbing
>> system IMO, should require a leak test.
>>
>
> Great work, as usual.
> Has Schluter systems made it your way, yet? Have you ever used it. I
> used their Ditra underlayment, Kerdi membrane and Kerdi wall boards for
> our baths remodel.
>
> http://www.schluter.com/143.aspx
>
>
I use the Ditra for all my tile jobs over slab since I first tried the
product. Best advice is to shop around (on line) since the 'quantity'
discount is significant and a lot cheaper than Borg pricing.
-BR
On 1/25/2014 8:15 AM, Leon wrote:
> I think they found it at the "nothing Under $2,000.00" store. :~)
Bingo! ;)
> We have some friends that own on of those contraptions, pretty cool. But
> do you really need something else to keep you in there longer? LOL
I gotta admit that I kinda wanted to give it a test drive (only in the
interest of QA, or course) but didn't have the necessary urge within the
time allowed. ;)
What was funny was when we were installing the handicap bars around the
Butt Spa, I sat, fully clothed, on the seat (which automagically opens
when you approach the beast) to judge the correct height of said bars,
and it warmed up the butt end my jeans considerably ... a strange sensation.
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On 1/23/2014 4:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
> access to shower and facilities:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>
>
> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>
Bravo!
elle'gaugn!
On 1/23/2014 9:05 PM, Swingman wrote:
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/23/2014 5:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> Bath remodel to assist client with medically necessary, handicapped
>>> access to shower and facilities:
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopBathRemodel2014?authuser=0&feat=directlink
>>>
>>>
>>> Time was of the essence ... 19 days from start to finish.
>>>
>>
>> Nice job.
>>
>> 2 things, did you paint blue before putting tiles up in the bathroom or
>> is that something else?
>
> Sealant, we call it "Red Gard", although it is sometimes blue.
>
>> The shower doors look wrong. Since the shower head is to the left, the
>> outter sliding door should be on the outside to prevent water from going
>> between the 2 panes, it looks like the opening is the inside door.
>
> By design (although not an issue with a properly installed "frameless"
> shower door). Keep in mind, as stated, the main use for this shower is for
> the handicapped client who will be using the hand held shower head from the
> seat opposite the wall mounted shower head. (the "color coordinated" holder
> for the handheld unit next to the shower seat is on backorder, as well as
> the handheld supply "elbow", thus not pictured.)
>
k that makes sense.
Is the red gard required by code?
I have to do a makeover on my master bath sometime.. been thinking about
how I am going to do it.
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