On Jan 10, 8:48=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> > recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> >http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> > )
>
> > Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> > Thanks!
I bought my older Swiss made Bosch on E-bay for $70. I was trading up
from a B&D that I had grown to hate. It bounced and jounced, never cut
clean, cut straight whem I wanted a curve, cut crooked when I wanted
it straight, etc., etc. It also had a little thumbscrew to hold the
blade in that, if I wasn't on my toes, would smash my thumb if I held
it in the wrong place. The Bosch is like a surgical instrument
compared to the B&D. It is a pleasure to use and is one of my favorite
tools. If and when this saw ever needs to be replaced, it will
definitely be with another Bosch.
Chuck
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Rob wrote:
>> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware
>> store
>> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
>> )
>>
>> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. There is no other power tool in
> which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
> as the jigsaw.
I looked at that same Skil recently but decided to spend the extra money and
just got a Bosch 1591. Wow, I think I could write my name in plywood with
that baby, I didn't know a jigsaw could be that smooth. That old line about
only crying once when you pay for a good tool rather than crying every time
you try to use a cheap tool is now my official policy. ;^)
Rob wrote:
> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware
> store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
"Skil" as a product line is designed as a consumer level entry line of
tools.
The lone exception is the "77" saw wich I think is being redesigned.
If you don't expect much, you won't be disappointed.
I would not buy any "Skil" product being offered today.
Lew
"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Skil" as a product line is designed as a consumer level entry line of
> tools.
>
> The lone exception is the "77" saw wich I think is being redesigned.
>
> If you don't expect much, you won't be disappointed.
>
> I would not buy any "Skil" product being offered today.
I got one of their circular saws not long ago and so far it has performed
just fine although I wouldn't expect it to last as long as a more expensive
brand/model. All I wanted it for was cutting up sheets of OSB, if I'd
needed a tool for a more serious job I'd have spent more. I believe Bosch
actually owns Skil these days, the low half of a high-low product range I
suppose, however much you want to spend they have something to sell you.
"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Second that. Forget the skil, ryobi, etc.... Buy stuff that'll remind
> you why you spent the extra $$ every time you pick it up.
>
> You'll be a lot less likely to throw the bosch in frustration too. See,
> it saves you in repair costs too!
>
> Anytime you need justification for tools, just post here.
>
> jc
My wife finally threw in the towel, gave me a Lee Valley gift certificate
for Christmas. Boy was that a fun package to open. ;^)
"DGDevin" wrote:
> I believe Bosch
> actually owns Skil these days, the low half of a high-low product
range I
> suppose, however much you want to spend they have something to sell
you.
SB bought out Skil a few years ago and basically trashed everything
but the "77".
I'm convinced the only reason for thr buy was to get the 77.
So yes, SB still owns Skil as well as Bosch.
Lew
Max wrote:
>
> "blueman" wrote:
>
>> Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
>> 1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better jig
>> saws back then at that price.
>>
>> But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise and
>> vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me use a
>> circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or
>> straight.
>>
>> Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from a
>> different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
>> accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
>>
>> To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in good
>> tools!
>
> I have a Bosch 1584 AVSK and a Bosch 1591 EVSK and they both cut fast,
> smooth and accurately but I wouldn't claim that they are either quiet or
> vibration free.
Having had a similar Craftsman jig saw as Max, by comparison his Bosch is
absolutely silent, as is my Milwaukee in comparison to the Sears saws.
It's a matter of degree and reference relative to previous experience.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Nova took a can of maroon spray paint on January 10, 2008 06:34 pm and wrote
the following:
> mac davis wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the
>> sucker just won't die...
>
> A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
> driveway worked for me!
>
You must have got a lucky bounce.
;-)
I dropped a B&D circular saw of the same era from a similar height two years
ago, got a new scratch on it.
Damn thing still works.
--
Lits Slut #9
Life would be so much easier if we could just look at the source code.
On Jan 10, 11:54 pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Jan 10, 10:52 pm, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:34:01 GMT, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >mac davis wrote:
>
> > >> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the sucker
> > >> just won't die...
>
> > >A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
> > >driveway worked for me!
>
> > Nope.. actually has a metal case, remember those?
>
> > mac
>
> > Please remove splinters before emailing
>
> what about dewalt and other brands?
not to mention the hitachi CJ110MV??
"FrozenNorth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Nova took a can of maroon spray paint on January 10, 2008 06:34 pm and
> wrote
> the following:
>
>> mac davis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the
>>> sucker just won't die...
>>
>> A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
>> driveway worked for me!
>>
> You must have got a lucky bounce.
> ;-)
> I dropped a B&D circular saw of the same era from a similar height two
> years
> ago, got a new scratch on it.
>
> Damn thing still works.
30 years ago Black and Decker actually made some good tools. Too bad, the
choices they made since then.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
Hate to say it considering your budget, but I agree with the other
replies. I upgraded from a B&D to a Bosch jigsaw, and the difference
is really amazing. Not just a "Chevy to BMW" type comparison - more
like a "Model T to BMW" comparison. The cheaper saws will cut wood,
but they're really different tools than the nice ones.
That said, you don't have to spend $150 on the newest bosch
(1590/1591). You can probably find one of their older ones (1584 or
1587) for significantly less. These don't have exactly the same
features as the 1590 (toolless blade change etc), but they're still
head and shoulders above the cheap saws in terms of quality and
performance. Try searching ebay for 'bosch (1584,1587)'. Based on
completed auctions, it looks like you should be able to get one for
less than $70 including shipping.
Hope this helps!
Andy
Rob wrote:
> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
I bought a Makita 4324 in December. I chose the Makita because it's
smaller than the Milwaukee and Bosch. It's light, smooth and
comfortable to use. Never had a problem with other Makita products.
I have power tools built by Milwaukee, Porter Cable along with other
brands. You get what you pay for.
LdB
Nova wrote:
> mac davis wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the
>> sucker
>> just won't die...
>
> A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
> driveway worked for me!
>
Puke green, (avacado green was the favorite appliance color in those
years) plastic case, 4 foot orange power cord, cost me $10 back in the
'70's. It's not much of a tool but it still works for me.
--
David J. Starr
Blog: www.newsnorthwoods.blogspot.com
On Jan 10, 10:52 pm, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:34:01 GMT, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
> >mac davis wrote:
>
> >> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the sucker
> >> just won't die...
>
> >A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
> >driveway worked for me!
>
> Nope.. actually has a metal case, remember those?
>
> mac
>
> Please remove splinters before emailing
what about dewalt and other brands?
Lew Hodgett wrote:
> Ranks right up there with the WEN
> and the private label unit from
> Western Auto.
My first handheld jigsaw was a Wen.
It was a right angle adaptor that chucked
into your drill and secured to the drill
body with a worm-band hose clamp.
Cut several hundred sheets of 3/4 ply with
that thing. Installed A/C registers in my
home using it to cut out the sheetrock and
in a couple of places in the old home,
lath and plaster.
Lumpy
Will you do my answering machine message?
Yes. Who would you like people to think you are?
www.LumpyVoice.net
"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:23:11 GMT, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:55:12 GMT, "toolman946 via CraftKB.com"
>><u40139@uwe> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Having both "D" handle and "barrel" style jigsaws, I'd recommend the
>>>"barrel"
>>>style. I think it offers better "feel" and control with that
>>>configuration.
>>>And I highly recommend the Bosch blades too, regardless which saw you
>>>get.
>>>I've found none better.
>>
>>Make that two of us. Mine is a top handle and I wish I had purchased
>>the barrel grip.
>
> I'm surprised. I haven't used a barrel grip, but in looking at them
> (powered down in a store) I was wondering why anyone would want that
> design. I'll see if I can try one somewhere.
Mine's a barrel grip and I much prefer it to the top handle (having used
both). I think it has something to do with your hand being closer to the
work surface.
jc
On Jan 10, 2:55 am, Rob <[email protected]> wrote:
> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
For years I used the cheapest jig saws - once building a fence with a
pineapple desgn cut out of the pickets - lots of work.
Then, I finally got myself one of those barrel jig saws ($169.00) -
viva la difference! It was a Dewalt with one failing - the cast
footpad! But did it ever slice through wod! It would cut through 2 x 4
material with ease. It had several settings selected by means of two
levers (to this day I can't tell you what they were actually for!
I also bought a "better" sears model (#?? $40) at their outlet store
or closeout bin - I'm a frequent "closeout/returns shopper) and found
it as powerful as the DeWalt.
I've still got the older jig saws and they all work, but I've no
reason to pick any of them up. As my SEARS is miles away at teh
moment, I can't share the model number - likely its been re-issued as
something with a "laser" anyway and discontinued otherwise. And the
Dewalt was discontinued in favor of a model with a pressed steel base
that will not fit the model I bought!
At any rate, spend a bit more or try the discontinued/returns/closeout
bins and get some ass (higher amp rating a significant clue) in your
jig saw and you will not regret the purchase.
On Jan 10, 4:51=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Rob wrote:
> > I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware
> > store
> > recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> >http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> > )
>
> > Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> > Thanks!
>
> Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. =A0There is no other power tool in
> which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
> as the jigsaw.
>
> --
> --
> --John
> to email, dial "usenet" and validate
> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
>I'v never used an expensive power tool
>for me "Black and Decker" does it all
>although my drill could be better
I have to agree with the Bosch recommendation, too. Bosch was the first maker
to introduce the roller guide to support the blade from deflecting backwards
during the cut. Every brand has that feature now, even the cheapos, but the
quality and tolerances don't compare to the better brands. Although the "pro"
saws are a bit heavier when you heft them, that's actually a benefit because
the extra weight helps by reducing kick back, resulting in easier handling
and a much smoother cut (the same applies for a circular saw).
Having both "D" handle and "barrel" style jigsaws, I'd recommend the "barrel"
style. I think it offers better "feel" and control with that configuration.
And I highly recommend the Bosch blades too, regardless which saw you get.
I've found none better.
Cheers
--
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David Starr wrote:
> Nova wrote:
>
>> mac davis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the
>>> sucker
>>> just won't die...
>>
>>
>> A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
>> driveway worked for me!
>>
> Puke green, (avacado green was the favorite appliance color in those
> years) plastic case, 4 foot orange power cord, cost me $10 back in the
> '70's. It's not much of a tool but it still works for me.
>
That would be the one. Mine had about 1/4" of side play in the
mechanism when it was new.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
>
> Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. =A0There is no other power tool in
> which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
> as the jigsaw.
>
What he said. I used a top of the line (consumer) Craftsman jigsaw
for 10 years or more until I got my hands on a pro-quality orbital
jigsaw. The difference is night and day. You'd think that as long as
the blade is held securely and made to go up and down in a sawing
motion, they'd all be the same. It just ain't so. There are two
kinds of jigsaws in the world. Pro-quality orbitals and junk. For
$50, you only get the latter, from any manufacturer.
DonkeyHody
"I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet." -
Unknown
mac davis wrote:
>
> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the sucker
> just won't die...
A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
driveway worked for me!
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
I picked up a Bosch on ebay for about $60. Got it from a pawn shop,
almost brand new, case and all.
Be patient, selective, use the automatic bid assistant and you will get
one and same some $$ at the same time.
DonkeyHody wrote:
>> Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. There is no other power tool in
>> which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
>> as the jigsaw.
>>
>
> What he said. I used a top of the line (consumer) Craftsman jigsaw
> for 10 years or more until I got my hands on a pro-quality orbital
> jigsaw. The difference is night and day. You'd think that as long as
> the blade is held securely and made to go up and down in a sawing
> motion, they'd all be the same. It just ain't so. There are two
> kinds of jigsaws in the world. Pro-quality orbitals and junk. For
> $50, you only get the latter, from any manufacturer.
>
> DonkeyHody
> "I cried because I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet." -
> Unknown
[email protected] wrote:
> On Jan 10, 11:54 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Jan 10, 10:52 pm, mac davis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:34:01 GMT, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> mac davis wrote:
>>>>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the sucker
>>>>> just won't die...
>>>> A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
>>>> driveway worked for me!
>>> Nope.. actually has a metal case, remember those?
>>> mac
>>> Please remove splinters before emailing
>> what about dewalt and other brands?
>
> not to mention the hitachi CJ110MV??
... and Milwaukee. Of that group color is main difference, besides
different "options" by model. DAGS on jigsaw review.
John
Rob wrote:
> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
I second the advise on the Bosch.
One thing that I have always found to be true is that everyone
has their own opinion about every kind of tool and who makes
the best, but almost without exception, Bosch is considered
the king of Jig Saws.
There is a good reason for that.
--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
>> Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. There is no other power tool in
>> which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
>> as the jigsaw.
>
> I looked at that same Skil recently but decided to spend the extra money
> and just got a Bosch 1591. Wow, I think I could write my name in plywood
> with that baby, I didn't know a jigsaw could be that smooth. That old
> line about only crying once when you pay for a good tool rather than
> crying every time you try to use a cheap tool is now my official policy.
> ;^)
Second that. Forget the skil, ryobi, etc.... Buy stuff that'll remind you
why you spent the extra $$ every time you pick it up.
You'll be a lot less likely to throw the bosch in frustration too. See, it
saves you in repair costs too!
Anytime you need justification for tools, just post here.
jc
"Lobby Dosser" wrote
> I've got smallish hands and the barrel grip was not comfortable for me.
> I'd recommend holding both and even doing a dry run in the store.
The Bosch 1584 has a barrel that's just about right for my hand but the 1591
is just enough larger to be not quite comfortable.
Go figure !!
Max
"blueman" wrote:
> Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
> 1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better jig
> saws back then at that price.
>
> But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise and
> vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me use a
> circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or straight.
>
> Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from a
> different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
> accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
>
> To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in good
> tools!
I have a Bosch 1584 AVSK and a Bosch 1591 EVSK and they both cut fast,
smooth and accurately but I wouldn't claim that they are either quiet or
vibration free.
YMMV
Max
David Starr wrote:
> Nova wrote:
>> mac davis wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the
>>> sucker
>>> just won't die...
>>
Years ago I got rid of my generic Craftsman homeowner grade jigsaw and
bought a Bosch. Wow, now I don't avoid using a jigsaw! Any of the
higher level ones is likely to be a pleasure to use. Those consumer
grade jigsaws are just horrible.
I expect to still be using my Bosch in 20 years.
In article <[email protected]>,
mapdude <[email protected]> wrote:
> I picked up a Bosch on ebay for about $60. Got it from a pawn shop,
> almost brand new, case and all.
>
Well then...YOU SUCK!
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Max wrote:
>> "blueman" wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
>>> 1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better jig
>>> saws back then at that price.
>>>
>>> But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise and
>>> vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me use
>>> a
>>> circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or
>>> straight.
>>>
>>> Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from
>>> a
>>> different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
>>> accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
>>>
>>> To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in good
>>> tools!
>>
>> I have a Bosch 1584 AVSK and a Bosch 1591 EVSK and they both cut
>> fast,
>> smooth and accurately but I wouldn't claim that they are either
>> quiet
>> or vibration free.
>
> You never used the 12 buck McGraw-Edison that my Dad got at the Navy
> Exchange back in 1965 or thereabouts. A Bosch then was about 180
> bucks and try to find one in the US.
>
> --
> --
> --John
LOL. I still have a Sears jig saw that I bought early in my woodworking
pursuits. It has to be at least 40 years old.
I admit that my Bosch jig saws are in another class altogether compared to
the Sears but I'm not sure that a totally vibration free, "quiet" jig saw is
capable of being manufactured.
Max
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:23:11 GMT, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:55:12 GMT, "toolman946 via CraftKB.com"
><u40139@uwe> wrote:
>
>>
>>Having both "D" handle and "barrel" style jigsaws, I'd recommend the "barrel"
>>style. I think it offers better "feel" and control with that configuration.
>>And I highly recommend the Bosch blades too, regardless which saw you get.
>>I've found none better.
>
>Make that two of us. Mine is a top handle and I wish I had purchased
>the barrel grip.
I'm surprised. I haven't used a barrel grip, but in looking at them
(powered down in a store) I was wondering why anyone would want that
design. I'll see if I can try one somewhere.
Rob wrote:
> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware
> store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. There is no other power tool in
which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
as the jigsaw.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Max wrote:
> "blueman" wrote:
>
>> Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
>> 1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better jig
>> saws back then at that price.
>>
>> But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise and
>> vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me use
>> a
>> circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or
>> straight.
>>
>> Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from
>> a
>> different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
>> accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
>>
>> To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in good
>> tools!
>
> I have a Bosch 1584 AVSK and a Bosch 1591 EVSK and they both cut
> fast,
> smooth and accurately but I wouldn't claim that they are either
> quiet
> or vibration free.
You never used the 12 buck McGraw-Edison that my Dad got at the Navy
Exchange back in 1965 or thereabouts. A Bosch then was about 180
bucks and try to find one in the US.
--
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
J. Clarke wrote:
> Max wrote:
>> "blueman" wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
>>> 1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better
>>> jig
>>> saws back then at that price.
>>>
>>> But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise
>>> and
>>> vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me
>>> use
>>> a
>>> circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or
>>> straight.
>>>
>>> Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from
>>> a
>>> different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
>>> accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
>>>
>>> To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in
>>> good
>>> tools!
>>
>> I have a Bosch 1584 AVSK and a Bosch 1591 EVSK and they both cut
>> fast,
>> smooth and accurately but I wouldn't claim that they are either
>> quiet
>> or vibration free.
>
> You never used the 12 buck McGraw-Edison that my Dad got at the Navy
> Exchange back in 1965 or thereabouts. A Bosch then was about 180
> bucks and try to find one in the US.
I guess I should add that compared to the McGraw-Edison a jackhammer
was quiet and vibration-free.
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Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:23:11 GMT, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:55:12 GMT, "toolman946 via CraftKB.com"
>>>> <u40139@uwe> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Having both "D" handle and "barrel" style jigsaws, I'd recommend
>>>>> the "barrel"
>>>>> style. I think it offers better "feel" and control with that
>>>>> configuration.
>>>>> And I highly recommend the Bosch blades too, regardless which
>>>>> saw
>>>>> you get.
>>>>> I've found none better.
>>>>
>>>> Make that two of us. Mine is a top handle and I wish I had
>>>> purchased the barrel grip.
>>>
>>> I'm surprised. I haven't used a barrel grip, but in looking at
>>> them
>>> (powered down in a store) I was wondering why anyone would want
>>> that
>>> design. I'll see if I can try one somewhere.
>>
>> Mine's a barrel grip and I much prefer it to the top handle (having
>> used both). I think it has something to do with your hand being
>> closer to the work surface.
>>
>> jc
>>
>>
>>
>
> I've got smallish hands and the barrel grip was not comfortable for
> me. I'd recommend holding both and even doing a dry run in the
> store.
I find that I don't have much trouble grasping a D-handle saw by the
barrel. This was more convenient on my old one, which had a slide
switch instead of a trigger that had to be latched, but can be done on
the new one.
If someone wanted to take a chance on a newcomer, the Triton
(Australian company) that Sears is currently selling as their
"Craftsman Professional" has a removable D handle and some other
"innovative" features that seem from what I've read to for the most
part actually be useful. I've not used it so can't say how well it
works.
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Chris Friesen wrote:
> Nova wrote:
>
>> The day I first used a Bosch is the day my B&D fell off the ladder.
>> It's funny how that happens...
>
> My problem is that I've got a $100 Makita that is decent. I'd love to
> get a Bosch, but my current one just isn't bad enough to drive me to
> spend the money...
>
> Chris
I have several Makita tools and am completely satisfied with every one
of them. If you like it and it works well for you then by all means,
keep your money in your pocket!
John
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:57:18 -0600, "sweet sawdust" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
>> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
>> )
>>
>> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>I have been using a Skil jigsaw for about 15 years now with great success,
>paid about $150 for it, great tool. That being said the one you are looking
>at is a good short term rough work tool, meaning it won't last long and will
>be a pain to use. Spend the extra money and buy a Bosch you won,t regret it
>
I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the sucker
just won't die... they just don't make 'em like that any more..lol
I thought it was finally going to bite it when a friend borrowed it to cut holes
in 1 1/4" particle board for his bathroom floor, but it just did its' thing and
laughed at us..
I looked at some of the newer ones and though I'm sure they work better and have
more features, they're also a lot heavier... not a good thing for the stuff I do
with one..
mac
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"Joe" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:23:11 GMT, "Bonehenge (B A R R Y)"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:55:12 GMT, "toolman946 via CraftKB.com"
>>><u40139@uwe> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Having both "D" handle and "barrel" style jigsaws, I'd recommend the
>>>>"barrel"
>>>>style. I think it offers better "feel" and control with that
>>>>configuration.
>>>>And I highly recommend the Bosch blades too, regardless which saw
>>>>you get.
>>>>I've found none better.
>>>
>>>Make that two of us. Mine is a top handle and I wish I had purchased
>>>the barrel grip.
>>
>> I'm surprised. I haven't used a barrel grip, but in looking at them
>> (powered down in a store) I was wondering why anyone would want that
>> design. I'll see if I can try one somewhere.
>
> Mine's a barrel grip and I much prefer it to the top handle (having
> used both). I think it has something to do with your hand being
> closer to the work surface.
>
> jc
>
>
>
I've got smallish hands and the barrel grip was not comfortable for me.
I'd recommend holding both and even doing a dry run in the store.
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:55:12 GMT, "toolman946 via CraftKB.com"
<u40139@uwe> wrote:
>
>Having both "D" handle and "barrel" style jigsaws, I'd recommend the "barrel"
>style. I think it offers better "feel" and control with that configuration.
>And I highly recommend the Bosch blades too, regardless which saw you get.
>I've found none better.
Make that two of us. Mine is a top handle and I wish I had purchased
the barrel grip.
I'll also add that I didn't use my Craftsman saw much, because the
results sucked.
A GOOD jigsaw is a very handy tool. I would never use the cheapie
for anything I could do with round blades. Since I can depend on the
Bosch cutting squarely and reliably, it becomes the preferred tool on
a regular basis.
I used the Bosch jigsaw and a speed square to cut 3/4" prefinished oak
flooring on my recent floor install. The jigsaw was quieter, it
didn't wreck the finish, I could use the same tool for many different
cuts (crosscut, rip, combo, notch, scribed, taper...) , and I could
use it in the work area without it creating mountains of dust
everywhere. My "bench" was an overturned milk crate. <G>
John Horner <[email protected]> writes:
> David Starr wrote:
>> Nova wrote:
>>> mac davis wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and
>>>> the sucker
>>>> just won't die...
>>>
>
> Years ago I got rid of my generic Craftsman homeowner grade jigsaw and
> bought a Bosch. Wow, now I don't avoid using a jigsaw! Any of the
> higher level ones is likely to be a pleasure to use. Those consumer
> grade jigsaws are just horrible.
>
> I expect to still be using my Bosch in 20 years.
Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better jig
saws back then at that price.
But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise and
vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me use a
circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or straight.
Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from a
different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in good
tools!
"Max" <[email protected]> writes:
> "blueman" wrote:
>
>> Yeah my first power tool was a $49 Craftsman jig saw back in about
>> 1974 when I was about 12. That was actually one of their better jig
>> saws back then at that price.
>>
>> But I almost never used it because the thing made so much noise and
>> vibrated so much (though at that age my parents wouldn't let me use a
>> circular saw). The thing also never seemed to cut either fast or straight.
>>
>> Then last year, I bought a new 1590 Bosch. It was like a tool from a
>> different planet. It's quiet, doesn't vibrate, cuts smooth, cuts
>> accurately, and cuts fast. Now I love using it.
>>
>> To me that was the best indication of why it pays to invest in good
>> tools!
>
> I have a Bosch 1584 AVSK and a Bosch 1591 EVSK and they both cut fast,
> smooth and accurately but I wouldn't claim that they are either quiet or
> vibration free.
> YMMV
>
> Max
It's all relative. My hand used to fall off and my ears hurt from my
old Craftsman.
On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:21:39 -0600, Chris Friesen <[email protected]> wrote:
>Nova wrote:
>
>> The day I first used a Bosch is the day my B&D fell off the ladder. It's
>> funny how that happens...
>
>My problem is that I've got a $100 Makita that is decent. I'd love to
>get a Bosch, but my current one just isn't bad enough to drive me to
>spend the money...
>
>Chris
I guess both replacement and price/quality depend on how often you use it and
what for..
I'd guess that my average jig saw is twice a year at best...
I used to use the hell out of it before I had other tools, though, which I guess
is common..
If I used it as much as my lathe, bandsaw or table saw, I'd be looking for a
good one..
mac
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John Horner wrote:
>
> Years ago I got rid of my generic Craftsman homeowner grade jigsaw and
> bought a Bosch.
The day I first used a Bosch is the day my B&D fell off the ladder.
It's funny how that happens...
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On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 23:34:01 GMT, Nova <[email protected]> wrote:
>mac davis wrote:
>
>>
>> I've been trying to kill my B&D saber saw for almost 30 years and the sucker
>> just won't die...
>
>A puke green colored one? A drop off a 12' ladder onto a concrete
>driveway worked for me!
Nope.. actually has a metal case, remember those?
mac
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"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
Waste of money. Get a Bosch or equal for $100 and up. Mostly up.
"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
It'll do you if you want to thrash your way through a relatively rough cut.
If you are looking for a "good" jig saw that will produce good results and
have convenient features, you want to look at the latest Bosch and or
Milwaukee saws with the lever action blade release.
You seriously need to be looking in the $150-$200 range to get a saw that
you will enjoy using and give you nice results.
"Rob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware store
> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
> )
>
> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>
> Thanks!
I have been using a Skil jigsaw for about 15 years now with great success,
paid about $150 for it, great tool. That being said the one you are looking
at is a good short term rough work tool, meaning it won't last long and will
be a pain to use. Spend the extra money and buy a Bosch you won,t regret it
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:51:30 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Rob wrote:
>> I was looking for a 120v jigsaw in the $50 range. Local hardware
>> store
>> recommended the Skil 4390-01 (Amazon page here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Skil-4390-01-8-Inch-120V-Jigsaw/dp/B000EB547Y
>> )
>>
>> Any other ideas? Opinions on the Skil jigsaw?
>>
>> Thanks!
>
>Yeah, spend the extra for a Bosch. There is no other power tool in
>which the difference in performance between cheap and good is as great
>as the jigsaw.
I've been meaning to get back to thank everyone for the excellent
info. So you're saying to get the Skil jigsaw, right? Just kidding--
pretty overwhelming endorsement for Bosch in this thread! They must be
doing something right.
Thanks again to all!