On 8/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
> labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
> compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
> I did not feel confident in using it.
>
> The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
> stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
> mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
> importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
>
> Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
> craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
> lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
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On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 8:51:22 PM UTC-4, krw wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:32:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >On 8/16/2016 7:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" =
dowel
> >>>>>> stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
> >>>>>> mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of store=
s are
> >>>>>> importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of =
the
> >>>>>> craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces an=
d the
> >>>>>> lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dow=
el.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
> >>>>> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
> >>>> species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech althou=
gh
> >>>> it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this ca=
se,
> >>>> I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
> >>>> crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
> >>>> stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made m=
ore
> >>>> profit than the lumber yard.
> >>>
> >>> I have a set of bed sheets made from beech.
> >>
> >> During the summer I go to the beech.
> >>
> >
> >
> >My neighbor is a son of a beech.
>=20
> Seedlings and an old tree in the forest:
>=20
> Seedling: "Am I a beech or a birch?"
> Old tree: "You're not a beech or a birch. Your mother was the best
> piece of ash I've had."
All kidding aside, I have been listening to podcasts from a show called=20
RadioLab out of NYC. Per Wikipedia, "the show focuses on topics of a=20
scientific and philosophical nature." They have distinct audio style,
intermixing the voices of the hosts, the interviewees, sound effects, etc.=
=20
This podcast, "From Tree To Shining Tree", discusses the relationship
between trees in a forest, including how different species interact both=20
underground and within their cell structures.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/from-tree-to-shining-tree/
From the podcast site:
"In this story, a dog introduces us to a strange creature that burrows=20
beneath forests, building an underground network where deals are made and=
=20
lives are saved (and lost) in a complex web of friendships, rivalries, and=
=20
business relations. It=E2=80=99s a network that scientists are only just be=
ginning=20
to untangle and map, and it=E2=80=99s not only turning our understanding of=
forests=20
upside down, it=E2=80=99s leading some researchers to rethink what it means=
to be=20
intelligent."
OK, that's the rec.woodworking relate. Another very interesting podcast is
this one:
http://www.radiolab.org/story/the_buried_bodies_case/
"This episode we consider a string of barbaric crimes by a hated man, and=
=20
the attorney who, when called to defend him, also wound up defending a core=
=20
principle of our legal system. When Frank Armani learned his client=E2=80=
=99s most=20
gruesome secrets, he made a morally startling decision that stunned the wor=
ld=20
and goes to the heart of what it means to be a defense attorney - how far=
=20
should lawyers go to provide the best defense to the worst people?"
This case is now a major part of any ethics course taught in law school.
On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 7:09:04 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote:
> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > John Doe wrote:
> >
> >> I am going to use a piece of that for my tricycle axle. What should I
> >> coat it with to prevent damage from anything?
> >
> > Dip it in hot bee's wax and slide it inside a PVC pipe.
>
> It gets shoved through the bottom bracket hole of a bicycle. After
> shaving some diameter off of the dowel using a crude dowel spinning
> device and course sandpaper, it is a tight fit.
>
> I would like to use glue if there is a wood glue that is genuinely
> waterproof. Guerrilla glue probably will not work because it expands. I
> will look around.
2 part epoxy, like West Systems. They use it on boats, I've used it on Soap Box Derby cars.
Never had a problem with it getting wet.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:46:31 -0500, Markem <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 1:00:05 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 8/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>
>>> > Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
>>> > labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
>>> > compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
>>> > I did not feel confident in using it.
>>> >
>>> > The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
>>> > stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
>>> > mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
>>> > importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
>>> >
>>> > Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
>>> > craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
>>> > lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
>>>
>>> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
>>> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
>>>
>>
>>Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
>>species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
>>
>>The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech although
>>it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this case,
>>I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
>>crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
>>stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made more
>>profit than the lumber yard.
>
>I have a set of bed sheets made from beech.
We have a bunch of beach towels, too.
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 6:46:36 PM UTC-4, Markem wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 1:00:05 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> >> On 8/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>
> >> > Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
> >> > labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
> >> > compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
> >> > I did not feel confident in using it.
> >> >
> >> > The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
> >> > stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
> >> > mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
> >> > importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
> >> >
> >> > Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
> >> > craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
> >> > lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
> >>
> >> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
> >> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
> >>
> >
> >Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
> >species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
> >
> >The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech although
> >it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this case,
> >I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
> >crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
> >stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made more
> >profit than the lumber yard.
>
> I have a set of bed sheets made from beech.
During the summer I go to the beech.
John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
> http://www.lowes.com/pd/Madison-Mill-Round-Wood-Poplar-Dowel-Actual-72-in-L-
> x-1-375-in-dia/3852041
>
> I am going to use a piece of that for my tricycle axle.
>
> What should I coat it with to prevent damage from anything?
>
> I would use superglue but that is very expensive for a significant area.
>
> Thanks.
>
Do you think poplar will be strong/ hard enough?
On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 1:00:05 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
> On 8/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
> > labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
> > compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
> > I did not feel confident in using it.
> >
> > The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
> > stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
> > mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
> > importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
> >
> > Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
> > craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
> > lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
>
> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
>
Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech although
it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this case,
I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made more
profit than the lumber yard.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:32:37 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 8/16/2016 7:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
>>>>>> stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
>>>>>> mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
>>>>>> importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
>>>>>> craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
>>>>>> lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
>>>>> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
>>>> species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
>>>>
>>>> The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech although
>>>> it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this case,
>>>> I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
>>>> crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
>>>> stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made more
>>>> profit than the lumber yard.
>>>
>>> I have a set of bed sheets made from beech.
>>
>> During the summer I go to the beech.
>>
>
>
>My neighbor is a son of a beech.
Seedlings and an old tree in the forest:
Seedling: "Am I a beech or a birch?"
Old tree: "You're not a beech or a birch. Your mother was the best
piece of ash I've had."
On 8/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 12:26:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> http://www.lowes.com/pd/Madison-Mill-Round-Wood-Poplar-Dowel-Actual-72-in-L-
>>> x-1-375-in-dia/3852041
>>>
>>> I am going to use a piece of that for my tricycle axle.
>>>
>>> What should I coat it with to prevent damage from anything?
>>>
>>> I would use superglue but that is very expensive for a significant area.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>> Do you think poplar will be strong/ hard enough?
>
> I was going to ask that question, but I decided he knew what he was doing,
> so I didn't.
>
> Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
> labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
> compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
> I did not feel confident in using it.
>
> The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
> stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
> mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
> importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
>
> Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
> craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
> lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
>
>
IIRC most common dowel stock is maple, maybe birch.
On Monday, August 15, 2016 at 12:26:44 PM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
> > http://www.lowes.com/pd/Madison-Mill-Round-Wood-Poplar-Dowel-Actual-72-in-L-
> > x-1-375-in-dia/3852041
> >
> > I am going to use a piece of that for my tricycle axle.
> >
> > What should I coat it with to prevent damage from anything?
> >
> > I would use superglue but that is very expensive for a significant area.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
>
> Do you think poplar will be strong/ hard enough?
I was going to ask that question, but I decided he knew what he was doing,
so I didn't.
Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
I did not feel confident in using it.
The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
IMHO, I think you would be better served using a piece of white oak, or even
mahogany. Both woods will resist decay much better than poplar. IME, poplar
does not survive well in the great outdoors based on some camp gear I made 30
years ago. It literally fell apart after a few years hard use. I stored it
outdoors under a roof, but the high humidity caused fungi and rot. SYP is more
rot resistant than poplar.
On Sun, 14 Aug 2016 19:04:27 -0000 (UTC), John Doe <[email protected]>
wrote:
>http://www.lowes.com/pd/Madison-Mill-Round-Wood-Poplar-Dowel-Actual-72-in-L-
>x-1-375-in-dia/3852041
>
>I am going to use a piece of that for my tricycle axle.
>
>What should I coat it with to prevent damage from anything?
>
>I would use superglue but that is very expensive for a significant area.
>
>Thanks.
Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>
>> I am going to use a piece of that for my tricycle axle. What should I
>> coat it with to prevent damage from anything?
>
> Dip it in hot bee's wax and slide it inside a PVC pipe.
It gets shoved through the bottom bracket hole of a bicycle. After
shaving some diameter off of the dowel using a crude dowel spinning
device and course sandpaper, it is a tight fit.
I would like to use glue if there is a wood glue that is genuinely
waterproof. Guerrilla glue probably will not work because it expands. I
will look around.
On 8/16/2016 7:09 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
>>>>> stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
>>>>> mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
>>>>> importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
>>>>> craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
>>>>> lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
>>>>
>>>> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
>>>> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
>>> species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
>>>
>>> The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech although
>>> it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this case,
>>> I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
>>> crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
>>> stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made more
>>> profit than the lumber yard.
>>
>> I have a set of bed sheets made from beech.
>
> During the summer I go to the beech.
>
My neighbor is a son of a beech.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 11:51:52 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 1:00:05 PM UTC-4, Swingman wrote:
>> On 8/15/2016 12:59 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>
>> > Speaking of dowels, last week I bought a 36" length of 5/8" dowel stock,
>> > labeled as Beech, from a local crafts store. It seemed really light
>> > compared to a short length of of hardwood dowel that I had lying around so
>> > I did not feel confident in using it.
>> >
>> > The next day I went to local lumber yard and looked at their 5/8" dowel
>> > stock, also labeled as Beech. It looked and felt much sturdier. I
>> > mentioned that to one of the staff and she said that lots of stores are
>> > importing Beech dowels from China and it's pure crap.
>> >
>> > Sure enough, I went home and right there on the bar code label of the
>> > craft store product was the word "China". I weighed both pieces and the
>> > lumber yard dowel was almost 20% heavier than the crafts store dowel.
>>
>> And yet we were recently informed hereabouts just how advanced and
>> upright the Chinese were in their dealings with us.
>>
>
>Well, I'm not defending the Chinese, but AISYK there are different
>species of Beech, some of which are harder than others.
>
>The Chinese aren't wrong in labeling the dowel stock as Beech although
>it wouldn't be good for anything other than light crafts. In this case,
>I'd actually place more "blame" on the craft store for selling the
>crappy Beech for the same price as the lumber yard sells the better
>stuff. I don't know their cost, but I'd guess the craft store made more
>profit than the lumber yard.
I have a set of bed sheets made from beech.