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"Toller"

30/03/2007 4:49 AM

does cocobolo change color?

I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?

I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
immediately and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it to
useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
projects. Now I just need some little projects.


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FH

"Father Haskell"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

29/03/2007 10:29 PM

On Mar 30, 12:49 am, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
> but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
> until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
> I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
> after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?

It all darkens. Lovely stuff when it's fresh cut, though isn't it?

> I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
> immediately

Poison ivy's cheaper and has the same effect on your lungs.

> and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it to
> useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
> projects. Now I just need some little projects.

It's all usable down to the smallest chip.

FH

"Father Haskell"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

29/03/2007 10:29 PM

On Mar 30, 12:49 am, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
> but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
> until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
> I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
> after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?

It all darkens. Lovely stuff when it's fresh cut, though isn't it?

> I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
> immediately

Poison ivy's cheaper and has the same effect on your lungs.

FH

"Father Haskell"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 12:34 PM

On Mar 30, 6:20 am, jeremy <[email protected]> wrote:
> Toller wrote:
> > I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
> > but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
> > until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
> > I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
> > after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?
>
> > I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
> > immediately and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it to
> > useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
> > projects. Now I just need some little projects.
>
> Cocobolo is a rosewood, but if you got 150 lb. for $50 I have to wonder if
> what you have is really Dalbergia retusa. A quick test is to take a piece and
> throw it in water, if it sinks it may be cocobolo.

If it passes the witch dunking test, polish a sample up to 600 grit.
If it looks like it was rubbed with 20 coats of Watco, it's probably
coke.

FH

"Father Haskell"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

31/03/2007 12:19 AM

On Mar 30, 12:37 pm, Steve knight <[email protected]> wrote:
> cocobolo has the most distinct grain with bold grain lines in multiple
> colors. I don't think there is another wood that shows this as much.
> kingwood does but it is far more money so that's not an issue.
> as otters said it does change color but some can be pretty light to
> begin with and stay lighter then others pieces. I had some that was
> almost white when I cut it then turned a light orange with age (not
> the sapwood either) I have had some that was Dar purple with all black
> lines.

Very hard, very waxy. The coke crosscut sled runners I made five
years ago haven't shown any wear.

FH

"Father Haskell"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

31/03/2007 10:30 AM

On Mar 31, 9:38 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > Very hard, very waxy. The coke crosscut sled runners I made five
> > years ago haven't shown any wear.
>
> What in the world are "coke" runners?

3/8 x 3/4" cocobolo strips.

jj

jeremy

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 1:46 PM

In Houston the stuff in
> very random S2S sizes usually goes for more than $10 per BF.
> The dust is an irritant, makes my sinuses run lake a river during direct
> exposure but for me a wipe down with a damp cloth immediately cures the
> problem.

If you can get it at $10/BF I will buy everything you can find.
I import wood from Central and South America and Columbian cocobolo is $6/bf
in country.

JJ

jj

jeremy

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

01/04/2007 10:40 PM

Toller wrote:

> It does sink, but gently.
>
>
It should head for the bottom with purpose.
What is happening is that the CITES restrictions have encouraged the loggers
to market less well known species, often using common names, or mislabeling
deliberately.
Sometimes the wood is actually more workable and prettier than the species it
is claimed to be, and often difficult to identify without leaves or bark.
JJ

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 1:54 PM


"jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In Houston the stuff in
>> very random S2S sizes usually goes for more than $10 per BF.
>> The dust is an irritant, makes my sinuses run lake a river during direct
>> exposure but for me a wipe down with a damp cloth immediately cures the
>> problem.
>
> If you can get it at $10/BF I will buy everything you can find.
> I import wood from Central and South America and Columbian cocobolo is
> $6/bf in country.
>
> JJ

Again the key word here, "More" than $10 per BF. IIRC it is closer to $14.

TT

"Toller"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 1:53 PM


"jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Toller wrote:
>> I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like
>> rosewood, but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal
>> variation until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on
>> the other.
>> I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
>> after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?
>>
>> I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
>> immediately and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it
>> to useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
>> projects. Now I just need some little projects.
> Cocobolo is a rosewood, but if you got 150 lb. for $50 I have to wonder if
> what you have is really Dalbergia retusa. A quick test is to take a piece
> and throw it in water, if it sinks it may be cocobolo.

It does sink, but gently.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

31/03/2007 8:38 AM


"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Very hard, very waxy. The coke crosscut sled runners I made five
> years ago haven't shown any wear.
>

What in the world are "coke" runners?

SI

Smaug Ichorfang

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

31/03/2007 1:39 AM

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>>
>> Cocobolo is a rosewood, but if you got 150 lb. for $50 I have to
>> wonder if what you have is really Dalbergia retusa. A quick test is
>> to take a piece and throw it in water, if it sinks it may be
>> cocobolo.
>
> The key word is it May sink. Several woods will sink.
>
>

Natalie Wood for example.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 12:31 PM


"jeremy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>
> Cocobolo is a rosewood, but if you got 150 lb. for $50 I have to wonder if
> what you have is really Dalbergia retusa. A quick test is to take a piece
> and throw it in water, if it sinks it may be cocobolo.

The key word is it May sink. Several woods will sink.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 12:40 PM


"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
>but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
>until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
> I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
> after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?

When fresh, some of it does have an orangy color. Some of it has a deep
purple color. Much of it has very light to white sap wood. Typically the
wood is darker burgandy ro dark red with dark grain.
Over time Cocobolo will darken like many woods.
I made a coffee table some 25 years ago with Cocobolo on the top, Padauk fo
for the legs and skirt and Walnut for accent.
I'll post a picture on a.b.p.w.


> I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
> immediately and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it
> to useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
> projects. Now I just need some little projects.

Sounds like you got a pretty good deal either way. In Houston the stuff in
very random S2S sizes usually goes for more than $10 per BF.
The dust is an irritant, makes my sinuses run lake a river during direct
exposure but for me a wipe down with a damp cloth immediately cures the
problem.

TT

"Toller"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 5:28 PM


"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
>but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
>until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
> I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
> after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?
>
I put the useless scraps in barrel and left them outside. The sides exposed
to the sun have turned brown, while the undersides and parts shielded are
still orange. Change is fast and dramatic.

jj

jeremy

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

01/04/2007 10:45 PM

Toller wrote:

> I put the useless scraps in barrel and left them outside. The sides exposed
> to the sun have turned brown, while the undersides and parts shielded are
> still orange. Change is fast and dramatic.

Cocobolo sawn from the trunk is extremely colour stable. The roots and
buttress tension wood is lighter and darkens when exposed to UV, but it is a
slow process, similar to cherry.

JJ

jj

jeremy

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 4:20 AM

Toller wrote:
> I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
> but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
> until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
> I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
> after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?
>
> I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
> immediately and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it to
> useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
> projects. Now I just need some little projects.
>
>
Cocobolo is a rosewood, but if you got 150 lb. for $50 I have to wonder if
what you have is really Dalbergia retusa. A quick test is to take a piece and
throw it in water, if it sinks it may be cocobolo.

Sk

Steve knight

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 9:37 AM

cocobolo has the most distinct grain with bold grain lines in multiple
colors. I don't think there is another wood that shows this as much.
kingwood does but it is far more money so that's not an issue.
as otters said it does change color but some can be pretty light to
begin with and stay lighter then others pieces. I had some that was
almost white when I cut it then turned a light orange with age (not
the sapwood either) I have had some that was Dar purple with all black
lines.

sD

[email protected] (Doug Miller)

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 12:38 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I bought a pallet of cocobolo scraps. Some of it looks just like rosewood,
>but most of it is rather orange. I thought it was just normal variation
>until I found a piece that was orange on one side and brown on the other.
>I have some kingwood that was purple to start with, but browned up some
>after I used it; presumably the cocobolo is doing the same?

Cocobolo darkens _a_lot_ with age.
>
>I got about 150 pounds for $50. About a quarter went to firewood
>immediately and the rest will probably be reduced by half when I trim it to
>useable pieces, but still gives me a huge amount of wood for little
>projects. Now I just need some little projects.

Got a lathe?
>
>

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

30/03/2007 12:50 PM


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The key word is it May sink. Several woods will sink.


Sorry, if it sinks, it MAY be Cocobolo, Several woods will sink.

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "Toller" on 30/03/2007 4:49 AM

31/03/2007 5:51 PM


"Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Mar 31, 9:38 am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Father Haskell" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Very hard, very waxy. The coke crosscut sled runners I made five
>> > years ago haven't shown any wear.
>>
>> What in the world are "coke" runners?
>
> 3/8 x 3/4" cocobolo strips.
>

Oh,,,, Wouldn't that be Coco strips? ;~)


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