Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
don't know what the answer is!
Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
Greg
Greg O wrote:
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
>
>
Burnt out are you? I find that absence makes the heart grow fonder. In
other words, get away from it for awhile. Do your woodworking because
you WANT to do it, not because you HAVE to do it. (Assuming you don't do
woodworking professionally - which is a whole nudder subject)
Philski
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
>
>
You need a diversion.
For me, I spend most of the spring/summer working in the yard, mowing grass, trimming trees, maintaining the pool, etc. I hardly
get a chance to do any WW. Come fall/winter I can't wait to get back to the shop. SHMBO always has a long list of stuff she wants.
This year it's a table, chairs and bar stools, more picture frames, shelves for her sewing room and an island for the kitchen. I
can't wait to get started.
--
Al Reid
How will I know when I get there...
If I don't know where I'm going?
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
<nip>
I went through this phase once. My cure is to only do projects from late
October through Mayish. I hardly even visit my shop during the summer
unless it's for something I'm building outside. I usually start off in
October building something for the shop to get in the groove so to speak.
Something simple. By May, I'm ready to call it quits. But in October, I'm
sooo ready to start a project again. Works for me!
SH
"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
> damn... starting to feel like Dr. Phil here...
> Maybe you just need to have a beer and get laid?? *lol*
>
Did that, a few times, in differant order. I still did not want to go out to
the shop!
Greg
"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >
> If nothing helps, you may just have to watch one on the inane home
> improvement tv shows.
>
> Dave
My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?!
Greg
"Never Enough Money" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Put a TV and refrigerator in the wookshop. And a relaxing chair.
>
>
That is where my wife usually finds my when I tell her I am ging to work in
the shop for a while. Feet up, dinking a beer, watching the tube!
Greg
"Joseph Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Aj%4d.48$me5.17@trnddc06...
> I find that the desire of woodworking increases proportionally
> with my SWMBO desire to be a @%^&#. So I do go through
> phase where I'll leave it for a while, but she never fails to snap
> me right back into it after a while.
> I think that it why I prefer power tools to hand tools. The level
> of noise they produce drowns out the nagging and etc....
LOL!
I feel sorry for you!
My missus really does not give me any crap about anything, no nagging at
all. At least when I am not in the shop I have more time to spend with her!
Gre
"Charles Erskine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Woodworking projects don't have to produce useful and practical (and
> boring)household items. Think wooden toys, sculptures, a little
> sliding-lid box for your block plane, etc. Spend a year not making
> anything too big to pick up with one hand. Use your power tools to
> make whittling and carving blanks. Have a private two-by-four contest
> (what can you design and make from a single 2x4?).
>
>
Right now that all sounds like work!
Greg
"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:59:22 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
> calmly ranted:
>
> >
> >"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> If nothing helps, you may just have to watch one on the inane home
> >> improvement tv shows.
>
> >My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?!
>
> Yes. You are hereby sentenced to watched 7 days of Changing Rooms,
> Carrol Duvall, BlobVilla's Restore America, and DIYNET's wonderful
> offerings such as "Woodworking."
>
> That'll larn ya.
>
Ok! Fine! I am going out to the gar....shop right now and makin' some saw
dust, really I am!
Greg
Put a TV and refrigerator in the wookshop. And a relaxing chair.
Invite peolpe over. Have a sharpening party.
That's my 2 cents.
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
[snip]
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 08:17:49 GMT, Rick Cook
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Do a google search of "medieval chests", or "viking woodworking" You'll
>get a lot of good ideas on arks and similar chests.
There are almost no web resources on ark chests, and many are wildly
inaccurate. Most of them are from SCA people who think that screwed
plywood around a beer cooler is "period".
There are some useful sites around on Norse work, but that's a whole
different period.
A few pictures from one of the few useful sites:
http://www.early-oak.fsnet.co.uk/littleark1.htm
This site also says there's an ark in Abergavenny museum - there
isn't, it's a flat-topped clamp-front coffer. Couple of bible boxes
and an armada chest too. Worth seeing, but it's not an ark.
--
Smert' spamionam
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:07:11 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is:
>
>"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project
>is complete."
I have a whiteboard with a list of them, and dots alongside the ones
already started. These are just the woodworking projects, not
metalworking, sewing or software.
Score for today is 35
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding?
There's one obvious one - the Thames and Hudson "Guide to
Bookbinding", which is the standard student textbook on it.
Seems to have gone expensive though - maybe it's out of print at the
moment ?
Dover press also have a couple by Aldren Watson that are rudimentary,
but simpler to follow and far cheaper.
Most of what I do is actually repair and restoration, rather than
binding from scratch or even total rebinding. There aren't many books
on this, but the Palimpsest list at Stanford is worth reading (archive
on the web at http://palimpsest.stanford.edu)
>Are you doing Japanese-style bookbinding?
No. I know nothing of it, and I don't know anyone who knows anything
about it. I collect woodblock prints, but still can't read Japanese
and don't know much about their books.
--
Smert' spamionam
Make some shop furniture - no pressure - they just
have to serve their purpose. Get away from plywood
and face frames and have a go at solid wood stuff.
The joinery involved should keep things interesting
and challenging for as long as you want to stay in
woodworking.
An early shop furniture project was a wall hanging
tool cabinet. Started with routed dovetails for the
carcase/carcass and then started making modules
for various tools using finger joints, dovetails, sliding
dovetails, stopped dadoes ...
Kept finding space for more modules and finally quit
after making a 4x4x3" dovetailed little drawer.
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/RightToolCabinet.html
If there are kids in the neighborhood then Kid Projects
might get the juices flowing.
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/KidProjects/KidsProjects7.html
Know anyone who does water colors? Maybe they
might like an easel - that folds into three different
configuration AND will fit under the bed when not
in use
http://home.comcast.net/~charliebcz/Easel.html
Perhaps some books - Krenov's The Fine Art of
Cabinet Making or The Impractical Cabinet Maker,
any by Doug Stowe, ...
As for getting rid of a stationary machine - Buy
Once, Cry Once and Will It to a Woodworker.
This too will pass.
charlie b
Greg, In my case, the joy my kids give me after I give them a finished
project, IS the motivation to build the next project. Although I do burn
out now and then, the cure usually is switching gears and make something
from steel. I get to turn, weld, grind and pound until I'm ready to start
woodworking again.
Side note on selling tools:
A few years ago I sold my old 1952 Logan metal lathe. I have regretted that
decision everyday until I recently replaced it (at a substantial cost
increase). I will never sell another tool.
If nothing helps, you may just have to watch one on the inane home
improvement tv shows.
Dave
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
>
>
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:42:54 GMT, patriarch
> <<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >I'm working on a couple of similar arks/boxes.
>
> I finished mine today. It's in the ammonia box tonight, then it'll
> get some waxing tomorrow and be done. Photos sometime soon.
>
> Do you know much about arks ? I've found very little documentation on
> them and not many examples of them to go and study. Plenty of
> flat-topped coffers or framed chests, but not many with the "ark" lid.
>
> Any idea how they held the bases on ? I had to guess and did it by
> two huge tenons in the end and sitting the edges of the base in
> grooves in the sides.
>
> Quite a fun thing to make. No machine tools, no measuring
> instruments. I did the whole thing with a couple of chisels, one saw,
> and a couple of planes.
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
Do a google search of "medieval chests", or "viking woodworking" You'll
get a lot of good ideas on arks and similar chests.
--RC
I get nagged unless I start another project with out finishing the current
one. usually because I want to buy more wood, "you haven't finished the
last project you started you don't need to start another one!"
and yet she has all manner of unfinished projects, huh imagine that
Ba r r y wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:07:11 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current
>>project is complete."
>>
>
> I'm glad that works for you, I'm completely opposite.
>
> I *like* 50 projects going on at once. <G>
>
> Barry
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:59:22 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:
>
>"TeamCasa" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> If nothing helps, you may just have to watch one on the inane home
>> improvement tv shows.
>My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?!
Yes. You are hereby sentenced to watched 7 days of Changing Rooms,
Carrol Duvall, BlobVilla's Restore America, and DIYNET's wonderful
offerings such as "Woodworking."
That'll larn ya.
--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown
Woodworking projects don't have to produce useful and practical (and
boring)household items. Think wooden toys, sculptures, a little
sliding-lid box for your block plane, etc. Spend a year not making
anything too big to pick up with one hand. Use your power tools to
make whittling and carving blanks. Have a private two-by-four contest
(what can you design and make from a single 2x4?).
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:39:51 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
Here's the ark I finished yesterday
http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/boxes/ark/
Yes, I really need a better camera 8-(
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:03:19 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Are you going to do a shoji project?
I'm weak and stupid, so at some point I might find myself relenting.
I'd be better to gnaw my own legs off first though.
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 19:42:54 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm working on a couple of similar arks/boxes.
I finished mine today. It's in the ammonia box tonight, then it'll
get some waxing tomorrow and be done. Photos sometime soon.
Do you know much about arks ? I've found very little documentation on
them and not many examples of them to go and study. Plenty of
flat-topped coffers or framed chests, but not many with the "ark" lid.
Any idea how they held the bases on ? I had to guess and did it by
two huge tenons in the end and sitting the edges of the base in
grooves in the sides.
Quite a fun thing to make. No machine tools, no measuring
instruments. I did the whole thing with a couple of chisels, one saw,
and a couple of planes.
--
Smert' spamionam
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:31:11 GMT, mac davis <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Maybe you just need to have a beer and get laid?? *lol*
Always good advice...
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
The answer to this is pretty much dependent on where you live. If, for
instance, you live anywhere near Pittsburgh, PA, then you are
completely sick of woodworking and will never enjoy the hobby again.
In that case you need to sell your tools immediately and for a great
loss. You MUST NOT sell any of them to a friend or a neighbor as you
will then constantly see them and be reminded of your dislike for
woodworking. As a favor, I will take them off your hands and not even
charge you for transportation or nuthin'.
On the other hand, if you are far from Pittsburgh, then you just need
a break or you need to build something for YOU. Do some project that
is not needed and not "rational" but that is kinda cool. Build a
present for a friend or co-worker who doesn't expect it so that they
can give you lots of WOWs and THANKS and "You MADE this ?!!!!".
But I really hope you live near Pittsburgh.
Dave Hall
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:32:12 GMT, jo4hn <[email protected]> wrote:
>I'm probably gonna
>build something like it. Is it still plagiarism if I tell you ahead of
>time?
Thanks - go right ahead.
I wouldn't copy mine though - go back to original sources and copy
them, not some half-assed second generation.
Like I said, I have _no_ evidence that arks were ever built in this
half-size manner. I just made it from the timber I had and sized
accordingly. Most of the details came from the photos on the Early Oak
site, and looking at a few other period chests. No ruler or
measurement used - just a square and a pair of dividers.
I was really planning to make one from riven boards, but my froe
technique isn't good enough to split big flat boards in oak. Those are
pretty good radial boards, but they're sawn and parallel, not split
and tapered.
I _might_ sketch some drawings of it. Might do.
--
Smert' spamionam
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
Take a break and DON'T sell anything. The value of your tools will change
little if you don't use them, but will be costly if you decide to replace
them in a year or two.
Do you subscribe to any magazines? If not, wait a while so you get a break,
then pick up a copy of one or two from the newsstand and see if any of the
projects get you wanting go get back in the shop. Sounds like you've built
some good projects that are useful. How about something that you don't
really need but would find challenging to work on? Who cares if it takes
two months or two years to complete.
I find that the desire of woodworking increases proportionally
with my SWMBO desire to be a @%^&#. So I do go through
phase where I'll leave it for a while, but she never fails to snap
me right back into it after a while.
I think that it why I prefer power tools to hand tools. The level
of noise they produce drowns out the nagging and etc....
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
>
>
I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji
screens and light fixtures. I found a few sources for shoji paper. Let
em know if you do try something, maybe we can compare notes. Mark L.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:03:19 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>> Are you going to do a shoji project?
>
>
> I'm weak and stupid, so at some point I might find myself relenting.
>
> I'd be better to gnaw my own legs off first though.
>
>
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:39:51 +0100, Andy Dingley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Here's the ark I finished yesterday
> http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/boxes/ark/
>
>
> Yes, I really need a better camera 8-(
>
Exquisite. That is truly inspirational, meaning I'm probably gonna
build something like it. Is it still plagiarism if I tell you ahead of
time?
mahalo,
jo4hn
"patriarch wrote in message
> I find the commitment to complete is one of the biggest hurdles to
> enjoyment in a project. I'm happiest when the project is done because I'm
> finished fooling with it.
My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is:
"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project
is complete."
Besides increasing your enjoyment of woodworking, and mitigating any guilt
while adding incentive to finish something, an added benefit is that it gets
you off the hook immediately when anyone asks you to do something.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 7/10/04
Greetings and Salutations...
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>>I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have
>>stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper
>>that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice
>>paper" !
>
>Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? I asked the
>local library and they didn't know. That really surprised me.
>I fixed one broken back with a silly application of Shoe Goop,
>but that was for a workbook, not a valuable item. I have some
>old Harvard Classics I'd like to firm up before sale and I
>want to do them properly.
>
Well, for what it is worth, one of MY favorite books
on the subject is Edith Diehl's "Bookbinding, Its Background and
Technique". It is available from Dover Books for not TOO much
money, and, is a pretty useful and comprehensive text. Kind
of dense...but...a LOT of info.
here is one source...
<http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-0486240207-3;;slnc=1>
And of course...Amazon
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0878172556/002-3910052-1034435?v=glance>
Regards
Dave Mundt
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:59:10 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>>Oiling it?
>
>Either oiling or waxing. Although I've no idea what I ought to be
>oiling it with. I'm using modern stuff, all the hopefully
>"traditional" candidates for an oil that I've tried have turned yellow
>in a couple of months. I still have no idea what the real oil would
>have been.
The reason I asked is because I hadn't heard of oiling it.
>I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have
>stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper
>that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice
>paper" !
Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? I asked the
local library and they didn't know. That really surprised me.
I fixed one broken back with a silly application of Shoe Goop,
but that was for a workbook, not a valuable item. I have some
old Harvard Classics I'd like to firm up before sale and I
want to do them properly.
Are you doing Japanese-style bookbinding?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
* Scattered Showers My Ass! * Insightful Advertising Copy
* --Noah * http://www.diversify.com
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Sounds like fun to me. As a tool and die maker, I like trying precision
work in materials other than steel.
Conan the Librarian wrote:
> Mark L. wrote:
>
>> [making shoji]
>
>
> FWIW, Van Arsdale's book was the one I followed when doing a shoji
> window treatment (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~cv01/shoji.jpg). He gives
> very precise set-by-step instructions, and if you follow them to the
> letter, you should be OK.
>
> Of course, on a project like that, the devil is in the details. It
> was absolutely the most exacting woodworking I have ever undertaken.
> Tiny m&t's and half-laps, tight tolerances, fragile wood, etc. make for
> a pretty intense woodworking experience.
>
> And the glueup was ridiculous. You need approximately five hands to
> do it.
>
> So yes ... I am encouraging you to give it a try. At least once. :-)
>
>
> Chuck Vance
>
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever
> need, built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our
> bathroom, stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the
> process of building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there
> to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want
> to sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it,
> I still don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
>
>
If you want to do something, but not commit to anything large, try a couple
of simple boxes, using hand tools you own, with wood already in your
possession, preferably scrap, or something set aside as an offcut. Take
your time, and don't worry about fancy joinery. Plan on an oil or shellac
finish, rubbed out simply with wax. Use this as an excuse not to start
anything larger for a while. Maybe store a special handplane in it, or
some special old chisels.
I find the commitment to complete is one of the biggest hurdles to
enjoyment in a project. I'm happiest when the project is done because I'm
finished fooling with it.
There's a mission-inspired bench/table/blanket chest on my bench right now,
which I started on 15 months ago. I may finish it before Thanksgiving.
And a pair of maple night stands, next to those. The birdseye maple
drawers are done, but the tops need leveling, and there's maybe 3 hours
past that to the first coat of shellac. I'll get back to them soon. The
kitchen upper cabinet prototypes need to be completed. There's real
deadline on those. And the oak mantel for Dad.
The fun is in the design. And the handcraft. Deadlines are for work.
Patriarch
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
> <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Oiling it?
>
>
> Either oiling or waxing. Although I've no idea what I ought to be
> oiling it with. I'm using modern stuff, all the hopefully
> "traditional" candidates for an oil that I've tried have turned yellow
> in a couple of months. I still have no idea what the real oil would
> have been.
>
> I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have
> stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper
> that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice
> paper" !
Well, yo could start from scratch, providing you can find the raw materials.
http://www.rice-paper.com/about/makeyourown.html
This source is in Germany, might be easier for you to get.
http://www.fine-tools.com/G312153.htm
Wait, just found this one in England
http://www.anything-japanese.co.uk/Shoji.htm
Joe
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
<novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>Oiling it?
Either oiling or waxing. Although I've no idea what I ought to be
oiling it with. I'm using modern stuff, all the hopefully
"traditional" candidates for an oil that I've tried have turned yellow
in a couple of months. I still have no idea what the real oil would
have been.
I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have
stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper
that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice
paper" !
Andy Dingley <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:39:15 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>some other piddley stuff.
>
> So don't just build piddley stuff.
And don't go back to golf, either. Talk about useless, frustrating, and a
waste of time. (Yes, I sorta played this morning. Waste of time.)
>
<snip>
> I'm just finishing off a small medieval ark - like this
> http://www.early-oak.fsnet.co.uk/littleark1.htm
> only half the size. It's of no real purpose, except that it's a
> chance to make something with a "clamped front", an early precursor to
> frame and panel construction.
>
I'm working on a couple of similar arks/boxes. The several I've done
already are nice, but not exactly what I was after. Thanks for the links.
It will help with the research.
Patriarch
"Greg O" wrote in message
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
This too shall pass ... just remember that there is an extremely fine line
between "hobby" and "mental illness".
Dave Barry?
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BTW, I just went to Amazon and ordered Toshio's book, a mobile base for
my DJ20 and this "Making Japanese-Style Lamps and Lanterns
by Edward R. Turner" Thanks for the heads up on Toshio's book.
Mark L.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji
>>screens and light fixtures.
>
>
> Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ?
>
>
>>I found a few sources for shoji paper.
>
>
> I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and
> oiling it myself.
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:30 GMT, Rick Cook
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The other problem with traditional bookbinding texts is that the goal of
> >those bookbinders was to put the book together so it could be taken apart
> >and rebound in a couple of hundred years.
>
> I'd disagree with that, compared to today's practice.
>
> Craft bookbinding (i.e. no more than a handful of each title, done by
> individual craftspeople not machines) today is even more of a high-end
> specialisation. 100 years ago (or even 50) there was a large trade in
> simply putting books together. These days craft bookbinding is pretty
> rare at any level and owing to the cost of it, it's even more
> restricted to just the most valuable of books. Who can pay ten times
> the cost of a book to bind it, especially when it's still in print ?
>
> One bookbinder I work with has a horror of all case binding as cheap
> and shoddy work, fit only for lending libraries - all spines should be
> sewn onto cords. As the books I work with when with him are typically
> 400 years old, he's taking a rather narrow view, but understandable.
>
> --
> Smert' spamionam
It depends on what you're trying to do.
If you're dealing with valuable antique books, these practices may well be
justified, but most of us aren't. Most amateur bookbinders want to produce a
good-looking binding that will wear well and that's about all.
Under those circumstances, and lacking the tools and skills of the
turn-of-the-century bookbinder, it makes sense to use more modern materials
and different methods. (I tend to agree with your friend about case bindings,
btw, but that has at least as much to do with liking the look and feel of
cord-sewn books as their greater durability.)
And there are a lot of reasons for binding books by hand besides the
conventional ones. I know someone who has carefully and lovingly rebound an
entire set cheap, perfect-bound paperbacks in signature bindings between fine
leather covers ornamented with iron reinforcements. Of course the books in
question are John Norman's Gor novels.
--RC (who bound his first book -- a cheap paperback poetry collection at 14
and still has it.)
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:30 GMT, Rick Cook
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The other problem with traditional bookbinding texts is that the goal of
>those bookbinders was to put the book together so it could be taken apart
>and rebound in a couple of hundred years.
I'd disagree with that, compared to today's practice.
Craft bookbinding (i.e. no more than a handful of each title, done by
individual craftspeople not machines) today is even more of a high-end
specialisation. 100 years ago (or even 50) there was a large trade in
simply putting books together. These days craft bookbinding is pretty
rare at any level and owing to the cost of it, it's even more
restricted to just the most valuable of books. Who can pay ten times
the cost of a book to bind it, especially when it's still in print ?
One bookbinder I work with has a horror of all case binding as cheap
and shoddy work, fit only for lending libraries - all spines should be
sewn onto cords. As the books I work with when with him are typically
400 years old, he's taking a rather narrow view, but understandable.
--
Smert' spamionam
I have been a medieval re-enactor for over twenty years. I actually
got into woodworking through re-enactment. The lesson I learned in
being deeply involved in any hobby was that if I'm not having fun
doing this, do something different.
I used to be a medieval archer. Then it got to be work. So I pulled
back from that part of it, and threw myself into woodworking. I still
have my armor and my bow, and I shoot every now and then, and it's fun
again.
My advice would be for you to do something different. You look like
you've been doing cabinetry. Build a boat. Turn a bowl. Tiller a
bow.
Take a different path. Not only will your enthusiasm for the craft
return, but you will be able to return to cabinetry in time with a
renewed sense of purpose.
Bill
"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
> I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
> built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
> stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
> building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
> Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
> sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
> don't know what the answer is!
> Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
> Greg
Mark L. wrote:
> [making shoji]
FWIW, Van Arsdale's book was the one I followed when doing a shoji
window treatment (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~cv01/shoji.jpg). He gives
very precise set-by-step instructions, and if you follow them to the
letter, you should be OK.
Of course, on a project like that, the devil is in the details. It
was absolutely the most exacting woodworking I have ever undertaken.
Tiny m&t's and half-laps, tight tolerances, fragile wood, etc. make for
a pretty intense woodworking experience.
And the glueup was ridiculous. You need approximately five hands to
do it.
So yes ... I am encouraging you to give it a try. At least once.
:-)
Chuck Vance
> >
> >My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is:
> >
> >"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project
> >is complete."
That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too
many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince
her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is
this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the
sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another
project and work on that stage. By having 3 projects at any time I
will have a beginning, middle and end stage project. Right now I have
a flag display case that got the last glue up last night and needs
sanding and finishing, a jewelry box that has some rough cuts and is
just about mid way and I just started the plannign and budgeting for a
cabinet for the bathroom. When I get home tonight I can either sand
wood, cut wood, or buy wood for my next project. YMMV
charlie b <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> An early shop furniture project was a wall hanging
> tool cabinet. Started with routed dovetails for the
> carcase/carcass and then started making modules
> for various tools using finger joints, dovetails, sliding
> dovetails, stopped dadoes ...
I'm planning a wall cabinet as my first "real" project but wanted to
practice on smaller items first. The finger-jointed module approach
is an excellent idea. Thanks!
> Perhaps some books - Krenov's The Fine Art of
> Cabinet Making
Or Krenov's "With Wakened Hands".
Cheers,
Mike
>or The Impractical Cabinet Maker,
> any by Doug Stowe, ...
>
> As for getting rid of a stationary machine - Buy
> Once, Cry Once and Will It to a Woodworker.
>
>
> This too will pass.
>
> charlie b
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:39:15 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
Do something else for a while. If you don't do any woodworking for a
while the answer will become clear, you either like it or you don't.
If it's still not clear, wait longer.
Don't rush into selling things, replacing them will be a pain if you
miss the activity.
Barry
"Ba r r y" wrote in message
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:07:11 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:
>
>
> >"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current
project
> >is complete."
> >
>
> I'm glad that works for you, I'm completely opposite.
>
> I *like* 50 projects going on at once. <G>
... and that's _exactly_ what I would do if I didn't exercise some sort of
discipline. Nothing would ever get finished. Sort of the woodworker's
corollary to "Physician, heal thyself" .... "Wooddorker, know thyself". ;>)
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:57:55 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"mac davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>> damn... starting to feel like Dr. Phil here...
>> Maybe you just need to have a beer and get laid?? *lol*
>>
>
>Did that, a few times, in differant order. I still did not want to go out to
>the shop!
>Greg
>
I was referring to a different hobby, Greg, not a cure for shop
separation.. lol
Mac
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:43:41 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji
>>screens and light fixtures.
>
>Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ?
Jay Van Arsdale's book is great, too. I just picked up the
Odate book but haven't read it yet. I think I'll start that
tonight. I just finished Larry Niven's "Ringworld Throne"
last night.
>> I found a few sources for shoji paper.
>
>I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and
>oiling it myself.
Oiling it?
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On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:39:15 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
>I have my gar....shop setup with all the tools I think I will ever need,
>built a few projects, nothing to fantastic, cabinets for our bathroom,
>stereo cabinet, and some other piddley stuff. I am in the process of
>building a desk for my daughter, but fail to get out there to finish it!
>
>Then today I fellow and I were talking tools, and he asks me if I want to
>sell my jointer that I bought a year ago. I had to think about it, I still
>don't know what the answer is!
>Will this go away, or am I doomed?!
>Greg
>
I think it's a natural process... you've probably been too focused on
it for too long and your brain is telling you to "get a life"...
DON'T sell any tools!! Just put your shop and all projects on hold for
a bit...
Tell your daughter that you'd rather spend quality time with her than
be in the shop working on her desk... no matter what age she is, she
should be suitably impressed.. if not, take the wife out for an adult
beverage or 3 instead..
The mind is a weird and wonderful thing.. if, as I suspect, you have a
real love for woodworking, it will be in the "back of your mind" and
you'll eventually either come back to the shop with the old interest
and energy, or decide that it just isn't your thing anymore (which is
ok, too) and then decide if you want to keep or sell the tools..
damn... starting to feel like Dr. Phil here...
Maybe you just need to have a beer and get laid?? *lol*
Mac
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:21:13 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Score for today is 35
>
>Are you married, Andy?
Used to be.
> Neighbor's and wives is where my self-imposed rule shines. ;>)
Neighbours and friends wives ! 8-(
Just google for "bathroom shoji" and "ludic potlatch"
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:23:33 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
calmly ranted:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:59:22 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
>> calmly ranted:
>> >My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?!
>>
>> Yes. You are hereby sentenced to watched 7 days of Changing Rooms,
>> Carrol Duvall, BlobVilla's Restore America, and DIYNET's wonderful
>> offerings such as "Woodworking."
>>
>> That'll larn ya.
>>
>Ok! Fine! I am going out to the gar....shop right now and makin' some saw
>dust, really I am!
I had a feeling that'd scare you "straight". G'luck!
--
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life.
---- --Unknown
On 29 Sep 2004 10:27:09 -0700, [email protected] (Ron) wrote:
>> >
>> >My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is:
>> >
>> >"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project
>> >is complete."
>
>
>That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too
>many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince
>her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is
>this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the
>sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another
>project and work on that stage. By having 3 projects at any time I
>will have a beginning, middle and end stage project. Right now I have
>a flag display case that got the last glue up last night and needs
>sanding and finishing, a jewelry box that has some rough cuts and is
>just about mid way and I just started the plannign and budgeting for a
>cabinet for the bathroom. When I get home tonight I can either sand
>wood, cut wood, or buy wood for my next project. YMMV
I tend to have 3 or 4 projects going at a time, but they're usually
very different from each other... a book stand for the wife, a shelf
for the garage, etc...
Which one I work on is usually dependant on what mood I'm in and
whether I feel like routing, dado'ing, sanding, etc..
Mac
Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>>I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji
>>screens and light fixtures.
>
>
> Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ?
Not yet, just finished "A Japanese touch for your home" by Koji Yagi.
It gave me a few ideas.
>
>
>>I found a few sources for shoji paper.
>
>
> I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and
> oiling it myself.
How is it turning out. If it's not good enough maybe I can help by
getting some paper here and sending it over the pond to you. Let me know
how it goes.
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:23:30 GMT, mac davis <[email protected]>
wrote:
>sometimes when I don't feel like actually MAKING something, I'll throw
>a scrap between centers on the lathe and just make shavings... great
>therapy and kind of fun..
Precisely why my shop has XM radio. <G>
I can pop a microbrew and do utterly silly things, like walk in
circles with the radio on, all by myself.
It fits the bill so well I'm changing a bedroom into a studio for my
wife, so SHE has her own place to do the same thing.
Barry
Greg:
At the risk of sounding flippant I'll say "been there, done that" but you'll
probably get over it. I don't know what all of your circumstances are, but
a few years ago we moved into a new house and I was happily looking at a
full basement finish. We had the contractor sheetrock the basement and
install the bath tub. I did all of the doors, trimming, cabinetry, etc. I
no more than started when my dad's health took a dive and he died. After
funeral and estate matters I was able to convince myself that the basement
was good therapy and it really was. But it took almost a year to get the
final item, a pretty ornate wet bar, built and installed.
By this point I didn't give a damn if I ever looked at another piece of oak
again and the West end of my garage (shop) collected a lot of dust from
neglect. I even considered selling out and using the money for something
else. Thankfully I didn't. Within a year or so I started diddling with
small projects, then took early retirement. Since then I have built some
pretty nice rocking horses for grandkids and friends. When my son wanted
some unique coffee and end tables for his new home dad spend quite a bit of
time designing and building them. I have taken on some other pretty
challenging projects and have enjoyed building my competence in the craft
like no other time in my life. I have acquired some new equipment and find
myself rolling design and construction ideas around in my head quite a bit.
I am truely enjoying the constant frustrations and challenges of being a
woodworker and antique rebuilder again and think it will be my small
retirement business.
Advice:
- Back off for a while.
- Keep the tools. Another smart poster hit it on the head - they are cheap
to keep and expensive to replace. Besides, you can probably use some of
them for normal home maintenance.
- Don't start any projects that are not fun for a while.
- Hit the wood and craft shows now and then. There are woodworkers out
there that can provide real inspiration. Newsgroups like this one and abpw
can do the same.
- If you have kids or grankids, you might find real rewards in planning and
building simple projects for them. The same goes for wife, and other
family.
- When you start to feel inspiration, don't go nuts. Take time to think,
plan and rethink before you start. At least for me, this is the most
enjoyable part of the craft and reduces the frustration that comes from
error.
Hang it there!
RonB
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:39:15 -0500, "Greg O" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>some other piddley stuff.
So don't just build piddley stuff.
There's a whole lot of "useful" "house" stuff that's useful to own,
but basically tedious to make. Worth doing if you want to keep things
off the floor, but there's no reward or real pleasure in making the
stuff. Do to omuch of this and anyone will get stale.
If you've always wanted to, make yourself a lute (conga drum, boat,
carved jester or whatever) Do something with no real point, other
than the pleasure of actually making it.
I'm just finishing off a small medieval ark - like this
http://www.early-oak.fsnet.co.uk/littleark1.htm
only half the size. It's of no real purpose, except that it's a
chance to make something with a "clamped front", an early precursor to
frame and panel construction.
--
Smert' spamionam
On 24 Sep 2004 10:01:58 -0700, [email protected] (Never Enough
Money) wrote:
works for me... I have both, and the neighbors usually come by on
Monday nights with their lawn chairs and beer coolers to watch Monday
Night Talking Nonsense.. umm.. I mean foot ball..
>Put a TV and refrigerator in the wookshop. And a relaxing chair.
>
>Invite peolpe over. Have a sharpening party.
>
>That's my 2 cents.
>
>
>"Greg O" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Is this a phase I am going through, or is it all over??
>[snip]
Mac
"patriarch [email protected]>" <<patriarch> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I find the commitment to complete is one of the biggest hurdles to
> enjoyment in a project. I'm happiest when the project is done because I'm
> finished fooling with it.
I'm going to print this out in 64 point letters and tape it to the
electrical subpanel right above my workbench. You may have just increased
my enjoyment of my HOBBY 1000 fold in the next 10 years.
Thanks!
Bob
On 24 Sep 2004 10:01:58 -0700, [email protected] (Never Enough
Money) wrote:
>And a relaxing chair.
Unbelievably good advice.
Relax, it's fun... <G>
Barry
On 29 Sep 2004 10:27:09 -0700, [email protected] (Ron) wrote:
>> >
>> >My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is:
>> >
>> >"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project
>> >is complete."
>
>
>That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too
>many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince
>her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is
>this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the
>sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another
>project and work on that stage. By having 3 projects at any time I
>will have a beginning, middle and end stage project. Right now I have
>a flag display case that got the last glue up last night and needs
>sanding and finishing, a jewelry box that has some rough cuts and is
>just about mid way and I just started the plannign and budgeting for a
>cabinet for the bathroom. When I get home tonight I can either sand
>wood, cut wood, or buy wood for my next project. YMMV
A real good way to do it and avoid burnout. Unfortunately my line of
not quite finished projects is getting unwieldy. I also mix in some
general carpentry projects, electrical work, plumbing repair and shop
furniture construction. Never get bored, just need more time to get
stuff done.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On 24 Sep 2004 14:16:25 -0700, [email protected] (Charles
Erskine) wrote:
>Woodworking projects don't have to produce useful and practical (and
>boring)household items. Think wooden toys, sculptures, a little
>sliding-lid box for your block plane, etc. Spend a year not making
>anything too big to pick up with one hand. Use your power tools to
>make whittling and carving blanks. Have a private two-by-four contest
>(what can you design and make from a single 2x4?).
>
sometimes when I don't feel like actually MAKING something, I'll throw
a scrap between centers on the lathe and just make shavings... great
therapy and kind of fun..
"what are you making, dad?"
"A mess, why do you ask?"
works for me... *bg*
Mac
"Ron" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too
> many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince
> her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is
> this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the
> sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another
> project and work on that stage.
I work the same way. Especially if one project is intricate and you need a
mental and/or physical break from something.
At times I have a dozen things I'd like to start but can't decide what is
next.
Ed
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji
>screens and light fixtures.
Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ?
> I found a few sources for shoji paper.
I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and
oiling it myself.
"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:07:11 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:
>
> >
> >My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is:
> >
> >"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current
project
> >is complete."
>
> I have a whiteboard with a list of them, and dots alongside the ones
> already started. These are just the woodworking projects, not
> metalworking, sewing or software.
>
> Score for today is 35
Are you married, Andy? Neighbor's and wives is where my self-imposed rule
shines. ;>)
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:51:24 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Mundt) calmly
ranted:
> Greetings and Salutations...
>
>On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
>>Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? I asked the
I made the mistake of asking the reference lady at the local
library (while I was there) instead of sitting down and checking
the index myself. She came up with nothing (a 3 page in-house
book repair sheet which she printed out for me), I found THIRTY
FREAKIN' SIX books on the subject in the index and just ordered
8 to scan or peruse.
> Well, for what it is worth, one of MY favorite books
>on the subject is Edith Diehl's "Bookbinding, Its Background and
>Technique". It is available from Dover Books for not TOO much
>money, and, is a pretty useful and comprehensive text. Kind
>of dense...but...a LOT of info.
Thanks. I usually try the library first, then buy if the book is a
"keeper." Ebay has been really good for cheap prices on books
lately.
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Andy Dingley wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:51:24 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Mundt) wrote:
>
> >Kind of dense.
>
> It seems typical that bookbinding books are either basic craft-hobby
> books, or _very_ dense. I've seen metallurgy texts that were an
> easier read than most on bookbinding.
> --
> Smert' spamionam
Most of the easily available bookbinding books that aren't craft soft of
things are reprints, often from around the turn of the 20th century. They
expect a lot of equipment and some stuff, such as supplies, that aren't as
easily available today.
The other problem with traditional bookbinding texts is that the goal of
those bookbinders was to put the book together so it could be taken apart
and rebound in a couple of hundred years. That not only complicated the
process, it meant they deliberately limited themselves to tried and true
materials and techniques.
Diehl's book is a fascinating read and includes a lot of examples of
classic bindings, history of bookbinding and a discussion of 'current'
issues (such as an inexpensive but serviceable library binding). However
for practicality, I'd go with Lewis' "Basic Bookbinding."
--RC
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:06:14 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
><novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>
>>Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding?
>
>There's one obvious one - the Thames and Hudson "Guide to
>Bookbinding", which is the standard student textbook on it.
>Seems to have gone expensive though - maybe it's out of print at the
>moment ?
>
>Dover press also have a couple by Aldren Watson that are rudimentary,
>but simpler to follow and far cheaper.
I've found both at the local library and ordered them.
I found a repair book as well. Cheaper still, wot?
>Most of what I do is actually repair and restoration, rather than
>binding from scratch or even total rebinding. There aren't many books
>on this, but the Palimpsest list at Stanford is worth reading (archive
>on the web at http://palimpsest.stanford.edu)
Oh, excellent!
>>Are you doing Japanese-style bookbinding?
>
>No. I know nothing of it, and I don't know anyone who knows anything
>about it. I collect woodblock prints, but still can't read Japanese
>and don't know much about their books.
Got a gallery online yet? I'd like to see them.
I actually got out into the shop today and got the motor lined
up on the lathe. Dave Fleming had sent a long dense rod of
mahogany or teak to me and I turned it into 3 marlinspikes.
And the #6 came in. It's a corrugated bottom, my first and
last. It cleaned up fairly nicely but will need both tote
and knob to be replaced. Both had been glued back together
with gawd knows what. Bondo and spackle, I think.
I also glued some jarrah on the bottom of my Knight shoulder
plane and cut it to fit, then waxed it. The brass strips had
given up the ghost. I'm hoping the yellow glue holds better
on the ebony than the epoxy did with the brass. I cleaned it
with lacquer thinner just prior to gluing, and it appears to
be nice and tight right now.
And I got some more mortices cut in the carving bench legs
for the stiffeners. By Allah, I'll get that bench done this
year if it kills me. Buddha knows, it's taken long enough. ;)
(No cracks about a certain bow saur, peanut gallery fans.)
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:51:24 GMT, [email protected] (Dave Mundt) wrote:
>Kind of dense.
It seems typical that bookbinding books are either basic craft-hobby
books, or _very_ dense. I've seen metallurgy texts that were an
easier read than most on bookbinding.
--
Smert' spamionam
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:07:11 -0500, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project
>is complete."
>
I'm glad that works for you, I'm completely opposite.
I *like* 50 projects going on at once. <G>
Barry