On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:44:02 -0600, AAvK wrote
(in article <d4xrd.166198$bk1.291@fed1read05>):
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> I'm talking about *power tools*. Millwaukee? Porter Cable? Anything?
> Alex
Milwaukee still makes something like 80% of their tools here in the US. No
other power tool manufacturer can claim anything close to this. With their
sale to Ryobi (use it twice, toss it out), I'm hoping that they don't get
into the outsourcing to China to routine.
Wayne
"Richard Clements" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> John wrote:
>
> > in Heber Springs Arkansas (Bosch and Skil circular saws) moving
> > production to (SURPRISE!) China. 500 jobs.
>
> wasn't Bosch a Germen Company to start with?
Bosch Tools is part of the Robert Bosch Gmbh. A huge international
conglomerate headquartered in Germany. See www.bosch.com for all sorts of
neat tidbits,
Richard Clements asks:
>John wrote:
>
>> in Heber Springs Arkansas (Bosch and Skil circular saws) moving
>> production to (SURPRISE!) China. 500 jobs.
>
>wasn't Bosch a Germen Company to start with?
Bosch was German; Skil was American. The Heber Springs plant, when I visited it
a few years ago, was Skil only as the buyout/merger/whatever had not taken
place at that time.
Charlie Self
"Giving every man a vote has no more made men wise and free than Christianity
has made them good." H. L. Mencken
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:56:22 -0000, Kurt <[email protected]> wrote:
>"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in news:6jrrd.163512$bk1.73399@fed1read05:
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>> Isn't anything of power tools or stationary tools made in our own USA???
>>
>> Alex
>
>I started to say "Ron Hock's irons", but I see by their
>website that isn't the case all the time now. (Outsourced
>to factories in the US and France. Well, seeing "France"
>is certainly a change from the normal countries one sees
>appended to the phrase "outsourced to".)
>
>Steve Knight's planes (unless things have changed since I
>visited him a couple of years ago).
>
>Any tools and jigs that someone had a sudden need to cobble
>together in their shop to complete a project. (We'll ignore
>how often making the jig took longer to complete than the
>project itself... learning experience, right?)
>
>Hmm... that's all I can think of at this point.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=American+made+tools
11,100,000 hits on Google. They're still around, they're just not at
the Walmart, and you have to look for the small production shops.
They cost more, and are less widely advertised. Sometimes you get
what you pay for, sometimes you don't. But just because you don't see
them at Sears or Costco doesn't mean they don't exist!
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
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> "John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Plant in Heber Springs Arkansas (Bosch and Skil circular saws) moving
>> production to (SURPRISE!) China. 500 jobs.
>
>
> Now you know how the German's felt when Bosch started manufacturing in the
> US.
Often it is done (overseas) with good reason. Here is a real life scenario
November 15 request quotation from American company and Korean Company
November 16 AM received quotation from Korea
November 16 PM placed order with Korean Company for tooling at a cost of
$5400 + freight and duty for a landed cost of about $7000.
December 1st. (today)
Received notice from Korean company that tooling is complete and ready to
ship
Received quotation from American company stating cost will be $14,800 and
delivery in 6 to 8 weeks.
Quality of the two sets of tooling is equal, same materials, same
specifications.
>And Steve gets some of his irons from Japan. Technically outsourcing, even
>though it's for a 'premium priced' upgrade.
>
>Patriarch,
>whose Padauk high angle smoother is on it's way from Steve's workshop as we
>impatiently wait...
as if anyone in the US could make them (G) but then you could claim my tropical
woods are out sourcing too (G) but still 90% of my planes are all made in the US
using slave labor.
--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.
> Isn't anything of power tools or stationary tools made in our own USA???
>
> Alex
Why should it be? In a country where consumers demand low prices and
don't give a damn about quality, Wal Mart fills the bill and has
become the largest retailer on earth. Why should Bosch behave any
differently? From a business standpoint, they're doing the perfectly
rational thing.
Ian
"John" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Plant in Heber Springs Arkansas (Bosch and Skil circular saws) moving
> production to (SURPRISE!) China. 500 jobs.
Now you know how the German's felt when Bosch started manufacturing in the
US.
"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in news:6jrrd.163512$bk1.73399@fed1read05:
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> Isn't anything of power tools or stationary tools made in our own USA???
>
> Alex
I started to say "Ron Hock's irons", but I see by their
website that isn't the case all the time now. (Outsourced
to factories in the US and France. Well, seeing "France"
is certainly a change from the normal countries one sees
appended to the phrase "outsourced to".)
Steve Knight's planes (unless things have changed since I
visited him a couple of years ago).
Any tools and jigs that someone had a sudden need to cobble
together in their shop to complete a project. (We'll ignore
how often making the jig took longer to complete than the
project itself... learning experience, right?)
Hmm... that's all I can think of at this point.
> Steve Knight's planes (unless things have changed since I
> visited him a couple of years ago).
And Steve gets some of his irons from Japan. Technically outsourcing, even
though it's for a 'premium priced' upgrade.
Patriarch,
whose Padauk high angle smoother is on it's way from Steve's workshop as we
impatiently wait...
Steve Knight <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
>
>>And Steve gets some of his irons from Japan. Technically outsourcing,
>>even though it's for a 'premium priced' upgrade.
>>
>>Patriarch,
>>whose Padauk high angle smoother is on it's way from Steve's workshop
>>as we impatiently wait...
>
> as if anyone in the US could make them (G) but then you could claim my
> tropical woods are out sourcing too (G) but still 90% of my planes are
> all made in the US using slave labor.
>
Entrepeneur = slave labor? As in, working for little to nothing? And
everybody else gets paid first?
Like JOAT says: "Where's my T shirt?"
But at least, you're both beloved and world-famous. That's gotta count for
something.
Patriarch
Ian Dodd wrote:
> Why should it be? In a country where consumers demand low prices and
> don't give a damn about quality, Wal Mart fills the bill and has
[snip]
While not related to wooddorking or tools, this article may be
interesting to you. It's about why electronic gadgetry is so much more
advanced in Japan than in North America, and one reason cited was
exactly what Ian stated: Wal-Mart, low prices, and "cost and value", as
the article puts it:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/archive/2004/12/09/gadgetgap.DTL&type=printable
Check the last two paragraphs in section "May the (Market) Forces Be
with You"
Richard Clements wrote:
> John wrote:
>
>> in Heber Springs Arkansas (Bosch and Skil circular saws) moving
>> production to (SURPRISE!) China. 500 jobs.
>
> wasn't Bosch a Germen Company to start with?
While the company was German, the tools weren't always made there. The
nameplate on my Bosch jigsaw, bought sometime around 1980, says "Scintilla
SA, Soleure Switzerland".
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
Daniel H wrote:
> Ian Dodd wrote:
>> Why should it be? In a country where consumers demand low prices and
>> don't give a damn about quality, Wal Mart fills the bill and has
> [snip]
>
> While not related to wooddorking or tools, this article may be
> interesting to you. It's about why electronic gadgetry is so much more
> advanced in Japan than in North America, and one reason cited was
> exactly what Ian stated: Wal-Mart, low prices, and "cost and value", as
> the article puts it:
>
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/g/archive/2004/12/09/gadgetgap.DTL&type=printable
>
> Check the last two paragraphs in section "May the (Market) Forces Be
> with You"
A point they make is that in Japan the market is driven by teenagers. That
implies that teenagers are either horribly overindulged by Japanese parents
or that Japanese teenagers have the ability earn a decent income. Now,
given that it is perfectly legal for a Japanese girl to engage in
prostitution at 13 (remember when that story surfaced?), perhaps the real
difference is that we treat teenagers as children and they don't?
--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
> I started to say "Ron Hock's irons", but I see by their
> website that isn't the case all the time now. (Outsourced
> to factories in the US and France. Well, seeing "France"
> is certainly a change from the normal countries one sees
> appended to the phrase "outsourced to".)
> Steve Knight's planes (unless things have changed since I
> visited him a couple of years ago).
> Any tools and jigs that someone had a sudden need to cobble
> together in their shop to complete a project. (We'll ignore
> how often making the jig took longer to complete than the
> project itself... learning experience, right?)
> Hmm... that's all I can think of at this point.
>
I'm talking about *power tools*. Millwaukee? Porter Cable? Anything?
Alex
"LRod" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> (NB: The statement struck me funny and I thought this might be a
> clever rejoinder. It does NOT necessarily reflect any political
> beliefs I may have on the subject.)
>
Thank God - we don't need no more political threads starting up here.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
"Kurt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I started to say "Ron Hock's irons", but I see by their
> website that isn't the case all the time now. (Outsourced
> to factories in the US and France. Well, seeing "France"
> is certainly a change from the normal countries one sees
> appended to the phrase "outsourced to".)
>
> Steve Knight's planes (unless things have changed since I
> visited him a couple of years ago).
>
> Any tools and jigs that someone had a sudden need to cobble
> together in their shop to complete a project. (We'll ignore
> how often making the jig took longer to complete than the
> project itself... learning experience, right?)
>
> Hmm... that's all I can think of at this point.
>
Umm, which of the 2 that you listed would YOU consider to be a "power tool
or stationary tool? LOL
On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:07:58 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Richard Clements wrote:
>
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> in Heber Springs Arkansas (Bosch and Skil circular saws) moving
>>> production to (SURPRISE!) China. 500 jobs.
>>
>> wasn't Bosch a Germen Company to start with?
>
>While the company was German, the tools weren't always made there. The
>nameplate on my Bosch jigsaw, bought sometime around 1980, says "Scintilla
>SA, Soleure Switzerland".
Omigod!! Those damnable German industrialists, outsourcing all those
jobs to the Swiss!
(NB: The statement struck me funny and I thought this might be a
clever rejoinder. It does NOT necessarily reflect any political
beliefs I may have on the subject.)
- -
LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
http://www.woodbutcher.net