Dd

"DGDevin"

25/12/2009 11:32 AM

Woodworking gifts received

My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router with
different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!

The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.

http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holiday-gift-projects/1365300003/?photoId=1363400009


This topic has 74 replies

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 4:03 PM


<[email protected]> wrote:

> Don't know about everybody else, but after a five week stint in the
> hospital and coming home for good yesterday, I've decided to give
> myself Lee Valley's plow plane with five blades for my Christmas
> present. And I think I've earned it

As someone who spent most of the first qtr of 09 either in the
hospital or rehab, I can relate.

Hope 10 is better for you.

Lew


Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

29/12/2009 5:58 AM

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> I have had both Panasonic and Makita and they are/were my favorites of
> all the other brands I have owned. You may want to give your Mum the
> Makita and keep the Panasonic for yourself.
>

The Makita's got a flashlight and impact driver with the drill. The
Panasonic is just the drill. I'm still keeping my Makitas... The Panasonic
may be better, but it's not that much better.

Puckdropper

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

29/12/2009 6:01 AM

Phisherman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
>
> I buy my own tools and tell everyone I know I prefer it that way. In
> fact, I prefer that I am the only one that knows about my tools and
> that nobody ever sees them. I'd be happy to get a warm plaid flannel
> shirt as a gift though, even better if it has pocket flaps to keep out
> the sawdust.

I asked for some 5" hook and loop sand paper for Christmas, and got a
couple packages from just about everybody. That worked out quite well for
Christmas tools. You never can have too much sand paper, especially when
it takes 2-3 sheets to finish a project.

Didn't get the other tool I asked for, a good quality pencil sharpener.
(Lee Valley's got one for $20.)

Puckdropper

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

28/12/2009 11:17 AM


"Phisherman" wrote:


> I'd be happy to get a warm plaid flannel
> shirt as a gift though, even better if it has pocket flaps to keep
> out
> the sawdust

Check out the Chamois shirts from L L Bean, you might like them.

I know I do.

Lew.

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

26/12/2009 6:56 AM

Peter Huebner <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Lucky sod. My wife got a chainsaw <grin> - well she asked for one a
> week ago. So that's some kind of woodworking tool.

My Mum said "I want a power screwdriver that is all mine. Not anyone
else's." She's not getting my Makitas, but I found her a nice Panasonic
for Christmas.

I'll have to borrow it once to see why it's a favorite brand here. ;-)

Puckdropper

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 1:36 PM

Somebody wrote:

>(tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).

Started my career working for the National Carbon Division of Union
Carbide.

This was a place that made things from graphite.

As a result, there was graphite dust all over the place even with dust
collection and motorized sweepers.

The graphite dust would get all over your shoes and into the pores of
your skin.

Had a pair of shoes that never left the plant.

Had a 2nd pair that were used for commuting from home to the plant and
back.

Once at home, it was time for street shoes.

It worked for me.

Lew


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 9:36 AM


"FrozenNorth" wrote:

> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
> important when adding the ingredients.

Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
formula and does not.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 10:11 PM


Robatoy wrote:
-------------------------------------------
I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.
-------------------------------------------

Ye gads, are you sure there isn't some bovine in your genes?

Can't think of a good reason to even taste, much less eat that crap.

Lew

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 4:37 PM


"RonB" wrote
>
>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>
> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>
Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I would
put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female) recoiled in
horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When I told her yes, she
started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
sawdust was the ultimate evil.



LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Lee Michaels" on 25/12/2009 4:37 PM

28/12/2009 11:45 AM

On Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:13:17 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>"Larry Jaques" wrote:
>
>
>> Force some multigrain down your
>> throat and you'll feel warmer and be able to work harder because
>> it's
>> _real_food_, Lew.
>
>Anything below 70F is not fit for human habitation, which was a major
>reason I left Ohio.

Har! I frequently work outside in 40F weather with a t-shirt and ski
cap on, spring and fall. As a LoCal resident, I was a wimp, like you
are now, pobrecito. ;)

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "Lee Michaels" on 25/12/2009 4:37 PM

28/12/2009 5:19 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:54:01 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Dec 28, 1:11 am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Robatoy wrote:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
>> gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
>> pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.
>> -------------------------------------------
>>
>> Ye gads, are you sure there isn't some bovine in your genes?
>
>Just in my groin, sonny.

Bull or steer, sir? <wink>

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 10:04 AM

On 12/26/09 7:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "RonB" wrote
>>
>>>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>
>>>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>>
>>> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I would
>>> put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female) recoiled in
>>> horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When I told her yes, she
>>> started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
>>> sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>>
>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>>
>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire. What
>> I need, I have.
>>
>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
>> Clapton& Winwood.... should be nice.
>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>>
>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>
> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> looks like it could be a hoot.

I have one of those, it makes great bread, pizza dough etc.
Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
important when adding the ingredients.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

kk

krw

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 2:31 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:54:08 -0800 (PST), RonB <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Dec 25, 1:32 pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router with
>> different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
>> branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>>
>> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
>> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>>
>> http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holida...
>
>Yep. I have been married to one of those for 42 years. I ended up
>wearing down my 14 year old Ryobi 11-1/4" planer while building and
>trimming our new home. Now SHE is bound and determined I am going to
>get a new Grizzly G0453 15" machine to replace it!

SWMBO bought me a DW735 a couple of years ago. Well, she gave me the
gift certificate, anyway.

>One of my pet peeves is women who constantly put their men down
>because they can't do anything with their hands.......and bitch
>everytime the guy even mentions buying a tool.

Mine never bitches about tools and rarely about unfinished projects
(tracking sawdust into the house is another issue). Good thing,
because I would have given her plenty to bitch about. Maybe there's a
reason we've kept them around (38 years, in my case). ;-)

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

25/12/2009 6:42 PM

On Dec 25, 7:15=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:54:19 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> >Dude!! I didn't know anything was amiss. Glad to see you back!
> >BTW... hospitals suck... they're full of sick people. Stay away from
> >there!
>
> >Merry Christmas!!!
>
> You got that right. Left on my own despite the objections of the
> hospital physio department. Damned if I was going to spend Christmas
> and new year's in a hospital, not if I could do anything about it, so
> I did..
>
> Merry Christmas and a great New Year's to you too. Quaff a few
> Erdingers for me will you?

To Er is Dinger, to quaff is divine.
3 bucks for a half liter is premium, but the only beer that's worth
it...but only sometimes. It is not a regular maintenance beer.
My life is like that. I enjoy a good burger, but once in a while I
need filet mignon. Once in a while I need to rent a Porsche or an
Arnage. That kind of stuff is a lot of fun, but who wants to have to
keep it maintained and insured...and get nailed with that insane
depreciation? Speaking of maintenance... I think Tiger Woods is about
to find out what that's all about. <G>

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

25/12/2009 11:28 PM

[email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:54:19 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>> Dude!! I didn't know anything was amiss. Glad to see you back!
>> BTW... hospitals suck... they're full of sick people. Stay away from
>> there!
>>
>> Merry Christmas!!!
>
> You got that right. Left on my own despite the objections of the
> hospital physio department. Damned if I was going to spend Christmas
> and new year's in a hospital, not if I could do anything about it, so
> I did..
>
> Merry Christmas and a great New Year's to you too. Quaff a few
> Erdingers for me will you?

I hope that you stay home now. Good luck in '10

Hn

Han

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

26/12/2009 1:56 AM

[email protected] wrote in news:tclaj5l5lu2hqopfu4ht7uoei2dmmgj3db@
4ax.com:

> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:03:06 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>>As someone who spent most of the first qtr of 09 either in the
>>hospital or rehab, I can relate.
>>
>>Hope 10 is better for you.
>
> Thanks Lew. Just the fact that I'm home now means that 10 will start
> off good. Best of the season to you too.
>
> Dave
>
Best wishes to you Dave, and to you too Lew!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

28/12/2009 5:13 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:32:02 -0800 (PST), the infamous Robatoy
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On Dec 27, 8:23 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
>wrote:

>> What worries me is that I just heard Toy say something under his
>> breath about finally finding a way to use his excess sawdust...
>
>I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
>gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
>pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.

That's quite likely true. I have it under good authority that a piece
of multigrain bread, sharpened at the edges and left to dry for 2
days, will work just as well as OddJob's bowler, with nearly all the
kinetic energy of same.

That said, my favorite bread is Franz' Oregon Hazelnut, a multigrain
bread with nuts. Yuckin' Fummy!

--
"Menja bé, caga fort!"

u

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

25/12/2009 7:15 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 15:54:19 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>Dude!! I didn't know anything was amiss. Glad to see you back!
>BTW... hospitals suck... they're full of sick people. Stay away from
>there!
>
>Merry Christmas!!!

You got that right. Left on my own despite the objections of the
hospital physio department. Damned if I was going to spend Christmas
and new year's in a hospital, not if I could do anything about it, so
I did..

Merry Christmas and a great New Year's to you too. Quaff a few
Erdingers for me will you?

u

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

28/12/2009 12:52 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:32:02 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
>gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
>pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.

How BIG was this cooked pile of flax seed, barbed wire and ultra fibre
loaf and how MUCH did you eat? Eventually, most will use it to cook
the really tasty stuff and that's where the weight will start to
appear.

As I said before, I considered buying one a few years ago. Queried all
my friends that had one and got one universal fact. I'm fat enough.
With a bread maker, and all that great tasting and smelling bread or
pizza dough or whatever, you're going to eat more than you normally
would.

u

in reply to krw on 25/12/2009 2:31 PM

25/12/2009 7:16 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:03:06 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>As someone who spent most of the first qtr of 09 either in the
>hospital or rehab, I can relate.
>
>Hope 10 is better for you.

Thanks Lew. Just the fact that I'm home now means that 10 will start
off good. Best of the season to you too.

Dave

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 12:02 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Lew Hodgett
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>
> > Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
> > important when adding the ingredients.
>
> Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
> formula and does not.

With bread machines, especially if you're using a timer for a fresh
loaf in the morning, the ingredient order is critical. Generally:
Water, fat, flour, sugar, salt with the yeast on top.

But if you're just talking about ingredients, you are wrong. Variation
of ingredients and amounts in baking is entirely acceptable.

u

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 6:48 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:47:16 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I wouldn`t want to do this more than once a year.... jus` wouldn`t be
>special anymore.

Don't know about everybody else, but after a five week stint in the
hospital and coming home for good yesterday, I've decided to give
myself Lee Valley's plow plane with five blades for my Christmas
present. And I think I've earned it. Might as well take advantage of
LV's free shipping that's on right now.

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=57678&cat=1,230,41182

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 2:05 PM

On Dec 25, 4:37=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
wrote:
> "RonB" wrote
>
> >> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>
> > Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! =A0 ;^}
>
> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I woul=
d
> put woodworking tools in the basement. =A0The owner (female) recoiled in
> horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" =A0When I told her yes, =
she
> started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
> sawdust was the ultimate evil.

Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???

I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire. What
I need, I have.

Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
Clapton & Winwood.... should be nice.
And Angela bought me a plasma.

See ya`ll in a bit. *S*

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Robatoy on 25/12/2009 2:05 PM

28/12/2009 5:03 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:56:56 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:

>In article <[email protected]>, krw
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >krw wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
>> >>>> important when adding the ingredients.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
>> >>> formula and does not.
>> >>
>> >> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
>> >> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
>> >> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.
>> >
>> >Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but you can
>> >get variations by changing the quantities or adding other indgredients. If
>> >you are making bread, you need leavening, but you can still change other
>> >parts of the formula to suit your personal taste.
>>
>> Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.
>
>Of course not. Just as you can't expect just any mixture to come out as
>wonton soup. But there's a hell of a lot of variation possible, just as
>in baking.
>
>Butter instead of shortening, or olive oil? Changes the texture and
>flavour, but it's still bread. Mix white flour with wheat or rye flour?
>Different texture, but it's still bread. Change the oven temperature
>and/or humidity? Changes the texture and/or crust, but it's still
>bread. Bake in a pan as opposed to a stone? Still bread... Change the
>amount of yeast. or sugar? Still bread... Leaven with yeast or baking
>powder, or not at all? Still bread...
>
>Etc., etc.
>
>I don't think you actually made a lot of bread with your hands. Maybe
>just with machines?
>
>The first bread-making machine my wife gave me was a 30" diameter
>stainless steel bowl. It's seen a LOT of use. I have a bread machine.
>Picked it up for $20 at a yard sale. Works great. It's in the basement,
>along with the microwave. They were just taking up counter space.

My bread machine is in the cupboard and seldom gets used, but I
replaced my microwave the very next day when the last one died. I
thrive on the use of those things, for rewarming everything under the
sun, including the same cup of coffee 4 times when I'm working. Nukers
are Manna from Heaven, to be sure!

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

kk

krw

in reply to Robatoy on 25/12/2009 2:05 PM

28/12/2009 6:37 PM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:25:05 -0600, Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>, Ed
>Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw wrote:
>> > On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but
>> >> you can get variations by changing the quantities or adding other
>> >> indgredients. If you are making bread, you need leavening, but you
>> >> can still change other parts of the formula to suit your personal
>> >> taste.
>> >
>> > Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.
>>
>> I did not say "any mixture", I said you still need certain ingredients to
>> get the proper chemical reaction. Baking soda, baking powder, yeast, sugar,
>> salt, buttermilk, shortening, all have a job to do. Keep the proportions in
>> a reasonable ratio and you can change the other ingredients at will. I've
>> been changing recipes for decades. You?
>
>I don't think krw has ever actually MADE bread.

I don't "make" anything in the kitchen. SWMBO owns that territory. I
do know that she follows baking recipes to the letter, other than
fillers like nuts. Yes, she makes a lot of bread, or used to. She
killed a "Bread Man" bread maker so we bought a Cuisenart. She
doesn't like it at all so buys bread.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Robatoy on 25/12/2009 2:05 PM

28/12/2009 5:05 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:56:56 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
<dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca> scrawled the following:

>In article <[email protected]>, krw
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >krw wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
>> >>>> important when adding the ingredients.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
>> >>> formula and does not.
>> >>
>> >> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
>> >> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
>> >> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.
>> >
>> >Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but you can
>> >get variations by changing the quantities or adding other indgredients. If
>> >you are making bread, you need leavening, but you can still change other
>> >parts of the formula to suit your personal taste.
>>
>> Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.
>
>Of course not. Just as you can't expect just any mixture to come out as
>wonton soup. But there's a hell of a lot of variation possible, just as
>in baking.
>
>Butter instead of shortening, or olive oil? Changes the texture and
>flavour, but it's still bread. Mix white flour with wheat or rye flour?
>Different texture, but it's still bread. Change the oven temperature
>and/or humidity? Changes the texture and/or crust, but it's still
>bread. Bake in a pan as opposed to a stone? Still bread... Change the
>amount of yeast. or sugar? Still bread... Leaven with yeast or baking
>powder, or not at all? Still bread...
>
>Etc., etc.
>
>I don't think you actually made a lot of bread with your hands. Maybe
>just with machines?
>
>The first bread-making machine my wife gave me was a 30" diameter
>stainless steel bowl. It's seen a LOT of use. I have a bread machine.
>Picked it up for $20 at a yard sale. Works great. It's in the basement,
>along with the microwave. They were just taking up counter space.

I wonder how much bread is made on the new 36" high countertops which
are the style in homes today. They're better for prep work, but not
for actual work, like kneading bread dough.

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

u

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 1:56 AM

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 16:35:31 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
>looks like it could be a hoot.

Be prepared to put on the weight. They make great bread and pizza
dough and stuff, but it's usually in amounts of a pound or two and
you'll pack on the weight. That's my only reason for not buying one.
I'm fat enough.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 9:32 PM

On Dec 27, 8:23=A0pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:09:01 -0700, the infamous Doug Winterburn
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 12/26/2009 05:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> >> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> "RonB" wrote
>
> >>>>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>
> >>>>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! =A0 ;^}
>
> >>>> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I=
would
> >>>> put woodworking tools in the basement. =A0The owner (female) recoile=
d in
> >>>> horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" =A0When I told her =
yes, she
> >>>> started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her=
,
> >>>> sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>
> >>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>
> >>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
> >>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire. Wha=
t
> >>> I need, I have.
>
> >>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
> >>> Clapton& =A0Winwood.... should be nice.
> >>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>
> >>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>
> >> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> >> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> >> looks like it could be a hoot.
>
> >They make really good bread. =A0Next year you may need the lipo attachme=
nt
> >for your shop vac.
>
> What worries me is that I just heard Toy say something under his
> breath about finally finding a way to use his excess sawdust...
>
> --
> "I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome thin=
gs
> that money can buy." =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--Tom Clancy

I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

26/12/2009 4:35 PM

On Dec 25, 5:05=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 25, 4:37=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > "RonB" wrote
>
> > >> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>
> > > Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! =A0 ;^}
>
> > Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I wo=
uld
> > put woodworking tools in the basement. =A0The owner (female) recoiled i=
n
> > horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" =A0When I told her yes=
, she
> > started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
> > sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>
> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>
> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire. What
> I need, I have.
>
> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
> Clapton & Winwood.... should be nice.
> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>
> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*

Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
looks like it could be a hoot.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 3:54 PM

On Dec 25, 6:48=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:47:16 -0800 (PST), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >I wouldn`t want to do this more than once a year.... jus` wouldn`t be
> >special anymore.
>
> Don't know about everybody else, but after a five week stint in the
> hospital and coming home for good yesterday, I've decided to give
> myself Lee Valley's plow plane with five blades for my Christmas
> present. And I think I've earned it. Might as well take advantage of
> LV's free shipping that's on right now.
>
> http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=3D1&p=3D57678&cat=3D1,230,41182

Dude!! I didn't know anything was amiss. Glad to see you back!
BTW... hospitals suck... they're full of sick people. Stay away from
there!

Merry Christmas!!!

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 11:38 AM


"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Peter Huebner <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> Lucky sod. My wife got a chainsaw <grin> - well she asked for one a
>> week ago. So that's some kind of woodworking tool.
>
> My Mum said "I want a power screwdriver that is all mine. Not anyone
> else's." She's not getting my Makitas, but I found her a nice Panasonic
> for Christmas.
>
> I'll have to borrow it once to see why it's a favorite brand here. ;-)
>
> Puckdropper

I have had both Panasonic and Makita and they are/were my favorites of all
the other brands I have owned. You may want to give your Mum the Makita and
keep the Panasonic for yourself.

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 3:09 PM

On 12/27/09 12:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 27, 12:28 pm, "Leon"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Robatoy"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
>> looks like it could be a hoot.
>>
>> All breadmakers have one major flaw. They all will make you FAT.
>
> .but, but, but it has recipes for glutton free breads... or am I
> reading that wrong?

Apparently they make you pedantic too.

Yes there are the gluten free varieties, if you can find the ingredients.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 2:47 PM

On Dec 25, 5:11=A0pm, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote innews:62d684fb-524b-48a1-af6b-d8=
[email protected]:
>
> <snip>
>
>
>
> > Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
> > Clapton & Winwood.... should be nice.
> > And Angela bought me a plasma.
>
> > See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>
> Wat jammer ... =A0I really feel for you <evil grin>
>
Yup! especially when you factor in the tough decisions between the
Armangnac and the single malt to go with the Montecristo number 3.

I wouldn`t want to do this more than once a year.... jus` wouldn`t be
special anymore.

Rr

RonB

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 11:54 AM

On Dec 25, 1:32=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router w=
ith
> different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
> branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>
> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>
> http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holida...

Yep. I have been married to one of those for 42 years. I ended up
wearing down my 14 year old Ryobi 11-1/4" planer while building and
trimming our new home. Now SHE is bound and determined I am going to
get a new Grizzly G0453 15" machine to replace it!

One of my pet peeves is women who constantly put their men down
because they can't do anything with their hands.......and bitch
everytime the guy even mentions buying a tool.

RonB

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 11:54 AM

27/12/2009 5:39 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>>
>>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
>>> important when adding the ingredients.
>>
>> Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
>> formula and does not.
>
> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.

Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but you can
get variations by changing the quantities or adding other indgredients. If
you are making bread, you need leavening, but you can still change other
parts of the formula to suit your personal taste.

kk

krw

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 11:54 AM

27/12/2009 11:48 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"FrozenNorth" wrote:
>
>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
>> important when adding the ingredients.
>
>Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
>formula and does not.

Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.

BB

"Bill"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 11:54 AM

27/12/2009 2:23 PM


"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"FrozenNorth" wrote:
>>
>>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
>>> important when adding the ingredients.
>>
>>Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
>>formula and does not.
>
> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.


Gosh, ya never know what yer gonna learn here! I was away for a few days
and missed most of the xmas related communications. So, to each of you I
extend a belated MC & HNY to you and yours! Mrs. Santa delivered some "gent
saws" that I saw on saw at Rockler, so I am looking forward to trying my
hand at
cutting some dove-tail joints next year (on scrap at first...). : )

Bill

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 4:21 PM

On 12/27/09 3:19 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 27, 3:09 pm, FrozenNorth<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> On 12/27/09 12:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 27, 12:28 pm, "Leon"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Robatoy"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>>>> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
>>>> looks like it could be a hoot.
>>
>>>> All breadmakers have one major flaw. They all will make you FAT.
>>
>>> .but, but, but it has recipes for glutton free breads... or am I
>>> reading that wrong?
>>
>> Apparently they make you pedantic too.
>>
>> Yes there are the gluten free varieties, if you can find the ingredients.
>>
> GLUTTON free breads, my frozen friend.. GLUTTON.....<G> not frickin'
> gluten-free... that stuff tastes like sponges look.
>
Apparently you were reading it wrong. ;-)
Go for the liposuction attachment.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

28/12/2009 7:26 AM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:c73ed10d-7167-4a02-9a1b-795182ad9f7d@d21g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 12:28 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> looks like it could be a hoot.
>
> All breadmakers have one major flaw. They all will make you FAT.

.but, but, but it has recipes for glutton free breads... or am I
reading that wrong?

There is more than one ingredient in bread that will put the weight on you.
Butter? Sugar,?

And more butter on that slice of
FRESH......HOT......FLAVORFUL......DELICIOUS.........STUFF from Aunt
Minnie's Potted Livernichol bread recipe. ;~)



Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 11:34 AM

On 12/27/09 10:53 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 12/26/2009 05:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee
>>>> Michaels"<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "RonB" wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>>>
>>>>>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>>>>
>>>>> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that
>>>>> I would put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female)
>>>>> recoiled in horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When
>>>>> I told her yes, she started screaming and chased us out of the
>>>>> house. Apparently, to her, sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>>>>
>>>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>>>>
>>>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
>>>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire.
>>>> What I need, I have.
>>>>
>>>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray
>>>> discs. Clapton& Winwood.... should be nice.
>>>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>>>>
>>>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>>>
>>> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>>> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but
>>> it looks like it could be a hoot.
>>
>> They make really good bread. Next year you may need the lipo
>> attachment for your shop vac.
>
> Just a comment but if one doesn't like the look of the bread that comes out
> of it, one can let the bread machine do all the grunt work and then move the
> dough to another pan and bake it in the oven.
>
Absolutely, the loaf does have a funny shape, but let it do all the
kneading, rising, kneading, rising, etc. cycles.

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

PH

Peter Huebner

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

26/12/2009 9:37 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router with
> different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
> branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>
> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>

Lucky sod. My wife got a chainsaw <grin> - well she asked for one a week
ago. So that's some kind of woodworking tool.

I, on the other hand, got sweet F.A. and that's been the rule for a
number of years now .... <wistful lopsided grin>.

Some people just don't know how to keep a relationship alive, but at
least she's starting to become a decent fencer after a 10 year
apprenticeship and will, mayhap, start attacking some windfalls in the
future once she gets the hang of her new toy ...

-P.

Hn

Han

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 10:11 PM

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:62d684fb-524b-48a1-af6b-d8735e789f84@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

<snip>
>
> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
> Clapton & Winwood.... should be nice.
> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>
> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*

Wat jammer ... I really feel for you <evil grin>

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 1:32 AM

Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote in
news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee Michaels"
>> <leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > "RonB" wrote
>>
>> > >> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>
>> > > Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that!   ;^}
>>
>> > Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that
>> > I wo
> uld
>> > put woodworking tools in the basement.  The owner (female) recoiled
>> > i
> n
>> > horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?"  When I told her
>> > yes
> , she
>> > started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to
>> > her, sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>>
>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>>
>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire.
>> What I need, I have.
>>
>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
>> Clapton & Winwood.... should be nice.
>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>>
>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>
> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> looks like it could be a hoot.
>
<http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipes/party-rye-recipe>
I replace half of the cracked wheat with wheat berriesand it's almost
like roggebrood.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

aa

allen476

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 12:45 PM

On Dec 25, 2:54=A0pm, RonB <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Dec 25, 1:32=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router=
with
> > different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
> > branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper=
!
>
> > The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-receive=
d,
> > now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>
> >http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holida...
>
> Yep. =A0I have been married to one of those for 42 years. =A0I ended up
> wearing down my 14 year old Ryobi 11-1/4" planer while building and
> trimming our new home. =A0Now SHE is bound and determined I am going to
> get a new Grizzly G0453 15" machine to replace it!
>
> One of my pet peeves is women who constantly put their men down
> because they can't do anything with their hands.......and bitch
> everytime the guy even mentions buying a tool.
>
> RonB

Mine doesn't complain at all. She does the "do you NEED it or do you
WANT it" question but if she sees that I need it, I can usually get
it. I did get a WoodWorker 2 and a Ridgid jointer for Christmas this
year so I can't complain.

Allen

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 5:23 PM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:09:01 -0700, the infamous Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>On 12/26/2009 05:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "RonB" wrote
>>>
>>>>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>>
>>>>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>>>
>>>> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I would
>>>> put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female) recoiled in
>>>> horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When I told her yes, she
>>>> started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
>>>> sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>>>
>>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>>>
>>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
>>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire. What
>>> I need, I have.
>>>
>>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
>>> Clapton& Winwood.... should be nice.
>>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>>>
>>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>>
>> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
>> looks like it could be a hoot.
>
>They make really good bread. Next year you may need the lipo attachment
>for your shop vac.

What worries me is that I just heard Toy say something under his
breath about finally finding a way to use his excess sawdust...

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 10:54 PM

On Dec 28, 1:11=A0am, "Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
>
> -------------------------------------------
> I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
> gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
> pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.
> -------------------------------------------
>
> Ye gads, are you sure there isn't some bovine in your genes?

Just in my groin, sonny.

>
> Can't think of a good reason to even taste, much less eat that crap.
>
> Lew

Rr

RonB

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 12:52 PM


> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).

Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

28/12/2009 2:35 PM


"Lew Hodgett" wrote
>
> Anything below 70F is not fit for human habitation, which was a major
> reason I left Ohio.
>
Wimp.


LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

28/12/2009 11:13 AM


"Larry Jaques" wrote:


> Force some multigrain down your
> throat and you'll feel warmer and be able to work harder because
> it's
> _real_food_, Lew.

Anything below 70F is not fit for human habitation, which was a major
reason I left Ohio.

Lew

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

28/12/2009 4:08 PM


"Lee Michaels" wrote:

> Wimp.

I consider it an intelligent choice.

I finally gave my goose down parka away the other day.

Figured it was safe since I hadn't worn it in 20 years.


Lew

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

27/12/2009 7:56 PM

In article <[email protected]>, krw
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >krw wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
> >>>> important when adding the ingredients.
> >>>
> >>> Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
> >>> formula and does not.
> >>
> >> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
> >> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
> >> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.
> >
> >Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but you can
> >get variations by changing the quantities or adding other indgredients. If
> >you are making bread, you need leavening, but you can still change other
> >parts of the formula to suit your personal taste.
>
> Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.

Of course not. Just as you can't expect just any mixture to come out as
wonton soup. But there's a hell of a lot of variation possible, just as
in baking.

Butter instead of shortening, or olive oil? Changes the texture and
flavour, but it's still bread. Mix white flour with wheat or rye flour?
Different texture, but it's still bread. Change the oven temperature
and/or humidity? Changes the texture and/or crust, but it's still
bread. Bake in a pan as opposed to a stone? Still bread... Change the
amount of yeast. or sugar? Still bread... Leaven with yeast or baking
powder, or not at all? Still bread...

Etc., etc.

I don't think you actually made a lot of bread with your hands. Maybe
just with machines?

The first bread-making machine my wife gave me was a 30" diameter
stainless steel bowl. It's seen a LOT of use. I have a bread machine.
Picked it up for $20 at a yard sale. Works great. It's in the basement,
along with the microwave. They were just taking up counter space.

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

27/12/2009 10:25 PM

In article <[email protected]>, Ed
Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

> krw wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but
> >> you can get variations by changing the quantities or adding other
> >> indgredients. If you are making bread, you need leavening, but you
> >> can still change other parts of the formula to suit your personal
> >> taste.
> >
> > Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.
>
> I did not say "any mixture", I said you still need certain ingredients to
> get the proper chemical reaction. Baking soda, baking powder, yeast, sugar,
> salt, buttermilk, shortening, all have a job to do. Keep the proportions in
> a reasonable ratio and you can change the other ingredients at will. I've
> been changing recipes for decades. You?

I don't think krw has ever actually MADE bread.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

28/12/2009 5:19 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 22:11:39 -0800, the infamous "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:

>
>Robatoy wrote:
>-------------------------------------------
>I made my first Multi Grain loaf today. There is NO way anybody could
>gain weight eating that stuff....not with all the flax seed,
>pulverized barbed-wire and other ultra-fibre componenets.
>-------------------------------------------
>
>Ye gads, are you sure there isn't some bovine in your genes?
>
>Can't think of a good reason to even taste, much less eat that crap.

There is a whole lot more food energy in good breads than you think.
When I'm working hard, especially out in the cold, it shows up a lot
more. Wonderbread will -kill- ya. Force some multigrain down your
throat and you'll feel warmer and be able to work harder because it's
_real_food_, Lew.

Yeah, a lot of multigrain breads are dry. Those made without flour,
oil, and wheat gluten are the worst as far as taste and moisture. So
go with a conventionally made bread with good ingredients.

--
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, natural, wholesome things
that money can buy." --Tom Clancy

kk

krw

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

27/12/2009 7:32 PM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>krw wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 09:36:29 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "FrozenNorth" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Follow the recipes, they say it in there, but the order *really* is
>>>> important when adding the ingredients.
>>>
>>> Cooking allows for some variation of a recipe, baking follows a
>>> formula and does not.
>>
>> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
>> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
>> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.
>
>Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but you can
>get variations by changing the quantities or adding other indgredients. If
>you are making bread, you need leavening, but you can still change other
>parts of the formula to suit your personal taste.

Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.

EP

"Ed Pawlowski"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

27/12/2009 10:58 PM

krw wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
> wrote:

>> Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but
>> you can get variations by changing the quantities or adding other
>> indgredients. If you are making bread, you need leavening, but you
>> can still change other parts of the formula to suit your personal
>> taste.
>
> Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.

I did not say "any mixture", I said you still need certain ingredients to
get the proper chemical reaction. Baking soda, baking powder, yeast, sugar,
salt, buttermilk, shortening, all have a job to do. Keep the proportions in
a reasonable ratio and you can change the other ingredients at will. I've
been changing recipes for decades. You?

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to RonB on 25/12/2009 12:52 PM

27/12/2009 8:55 PM


"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:39:22 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
>>> Baking requires a very precise chemical reaction. Like other chemical
>>> processes, the quantity and order of reactions is important. Baking
>>> is essentially chemistry with an edible outcome.
>>
>>Sure it does. You still need certain ingredients for a reaction, but you
>>can
>>get variations by changing the quantities or adding other indgredients.
>>If
>>you are making bread, you need leavening, but you can still change other
>>parts of the formula to suit your personal taste.
>
> Don't expect just any mixture to come out as bread.

So this isn't a place to use saw dust as fiber?

John

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 9:45 AM

On Dec 27, 12:28=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> looks like it could be a hoot.
>
> All breadmakers have one major flaw. =A0They all will make you FAT.

.but, but, but it has recipes for glutton free breads... or am I
reading that wrong?

Hg

Hoosierpopi

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

26/12/2009 7:55 AM

On Dec 25, 2:32=A0pm, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:


> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.

I found a bin at LOwes with a pile of 4-inch "Vise Grips," albeit
Lowes brand and grabbed the three left at $1.98 each. Then, I cut a
pattern guide out of some thin material and used it to rout out a hole
that just fit the little pliers in three chunks of 3/4-inch Mahogany.
Then, I planed down an old (1960 era) piece of "barn wood" that had
some nice figuring and routed out a rectangular opening so as to form
a cover or top for the tool encapsulating Mahogany base into which I
cut a rabbit on all four sides so the bottom section fit nicely into
the Barn Wood top. Putting the two pieces together, I trimmed all four
sides on the table saw, then sanded and finished the little boxes.

I gave them as gifts to a couple of buddies and to my son-in-law.
Nothing great, somewhat of a "gag gift," but fun to make and give. And
at a cost that was hardly noticed.

Not so impressive as the umbrella stand - nice piece - but an idea for
next year maybe.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 12:19 PM

On Dec 27, 3:09=A0pm, FrozenNorth <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On 12/27/09 12:45 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
> > On Dec 27, 12:28 pm, "Leon"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> "Robatoy"<[email protected]> =A0wrote in message
>
> >>news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com.=
..
>
> >> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> >> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> >> looks like it could be a hoot.
>
> >> All breadmakers have one major flaw. =A0They all will make you FAT.
>
> > .but, but, but it has recipes for glutton free breads... or am I
> > reading that wrong?
>
> Apparently they make you pedantic too.
>
> Yes there are the gluten free varieties, if you can find the ingredients.
>
GLUTTON free breads, my frozen friend.. GLUTTON..... <G> not frickin'
gluten-free... that stuff tastes like sponges look.

Sb

"SonomaProducts.com"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 11:48 AM

Most of the gifts I get are dust collectors, except for the Incra 6"
precision T-Rule my daughters got me. Love these things.


On Dec 25, 11:32=A0am, "DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote:
> My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router w=
ith
> different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
> branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>
> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>
> http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holida...

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 8:48 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:37:15 -0500, the infamous "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> scrawled the following:

>
>"RonB" wrote
>>
>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>
>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>>
>Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I would
>put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female) recoiled in
>horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When I told her yes, she
>started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
>sawdust was the ultimate evil.

You were darned lucky to learn that BEFORE you moved in, huh? Whew!

--
REMEMBER: The sooner you fall behind,
the more time you'll have to catch up!

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 8:09 AM

On 12/26/2009 05:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee Michaels"<leemichaels*[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "RonB" wrote
>>
>>>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>
>>>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>>
>>> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that I would
>>> put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female) recoiled in
>>> horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When I told her yes, she
>>> started screaming and chased us out of the house. Apparently, to her,
>>> sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>>
>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>>
>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire. What
>> I need, I have.
>>
>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray discs.
>> Clapton& Winwood.... should be nice.
>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>>
>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>
> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
> looks like it could be a hoot.

They make really good bread. Next year you may need the lipo attachment
for your shop vac.

kk

krw

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 11:51 AM

On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 11:38:08 -0600, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Peter Huebner <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>>
>>> Lucky sod. My wife got a chainsaw <grin> - well she asked for one a
>>> week ago. So that's some kind of woodworking tool.
>>
>> My Mum said "I want a power screwdriver that is all mine. Not anyone
>> else's." She's not getting my Makitas, but I found her a nice Panasonic
>> for Christmas.
>>
>> I'll have to borrow it once to see why it's a favorite brand here. ;-)
>>
>> Puckdropper
>
>I have had both Panasonic and Makita and they are/were my favorites of all
>the other brands I have owned. You may want to give your Mum the Makita and
>keep the Panasonic for yourself.

I like my Bosch (Impactor and regular). OTOH, I don't like the
"broken-stick" screwdrivers at all. We have a Milwaukee at work. No
thanks, I'll use a manual screwdriver.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 10:53 AM

Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 12/26/2009 05:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Dec 25, 5:05 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Dec 25, 4:37 pm, "Lee
>>> Michaels"<leemichaels*[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "RonB" wrote
>>>
>>>>>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>>>
>>>>> Uhhhh...Yeah there IS that! ;^}
>>>
>>>> Reminds me of trying to rent a house years ago and mentioning that
>>>> I would put woodworking tools in the basement. The owner (female)
>>>> recoiled in horror and asked, "Would you be making sawdust?" When
>>>> I told her yes, she started screaming and chased us out of the
>>>> house. Apparently, to her, sawdust was the ultimate evil.
>>>
>>> Stuff won't even burn. How evil is that???
>>>
>>> I received a wonderful present. Planet Earth on Blu-ray.
>>> I have all the tools I need. Need. There are still some I desire.
>>> What I need, I have.
>>>
>>> Oh.. and a Blu-ray player to go with it. And a few new Blu-ray
>>> discs. Clapton& Winwood.... should be nice.
>>> And Angela bought me a plasma.
>>>
>>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>>
>> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but
>> it looks like it could be a hoot.
>
> They make really good bread. Next year you may need the lipo
> attachment for your shop vac.

Just a comment but if one doesn't like the look of the bread that comes out
of it, one can let the bread machine do all the grunt work and then move the
dough to another pan and bake it in the oven.

Er

Evodawg

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 9:53 AM

DGDevin wrote:

> My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router
> with different hoods for different applications, and one of those
electric
> branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>
> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-
received,
> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>
> http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holiday-
gift-projects/1365300003/?photoId=1363400009


A new Ford 460 engine for my working flatbed truck!!!
--
You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK !
Mandriva 2010 using KDE 4.3
Website: www.rentmyhusband.biz

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

28/12/2009 11:03 AM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 11:32:25 -0800, "DGDevin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router with
>different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
>branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>
>The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
>now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>
>http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holiday-gift-projects/1365300003/?photoId=1363400009
>


I buy my own tools and tell everyone I know I prefer it that way. In
fact, I prefer that I am the only one that knows about my tools and
that nobody ever sees them. I'd be happy to get a warm plaid flannel
shirt as a gift though, even better if it has pocket flaps to keep out
the sawdust.

kk

krw

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 6:11 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 13:36:52 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Somebody wrote:
>
>>(tracking sawdust into the house is another issue).
>
>Started my career working for the National Carbon Division of Union
>Carbide.
>
>This was a place that made things from graphite.
>
>As a result, there was graphite dust all over the place even with dust
>collection and motorized sweepers.
>
>The graphite dust would get all over your shoes and into the pores of
>your skin.
>
>Had a pair of shoes that never left the plant.
>
>Had a 2nd pair that were used for commuting from home to the plant and
>back.
>
>Once at home, it was time for street shoes.
>
>It worked for me.

I leave a pair of old shoes by the garage door and another by the
entrance to the room over the garage. and *try* to slip them off every
time I come in, but sometimes...

Dd

"DGDevin"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 7:43 PM


"DGDevin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> My wife (who has a keen eye) got me a dust-collection set for my router
> with different hoods for different applications, and one of those electric
> branding irons so I can sign my projects--a woman like that is a keeper!
>
> The project I did as a Christmas gift for friends was also well-received,
> now I'll have to drive up to their place and brand it.
>
> http://www.woodmagazine.com/photos/summer-woodworking-projects/holiday-gift-projects/1365300003/?photoId=1363400009

Oh yeah, I forgot the box-set of Tage Frid Teaches Woodworking, that's the
only woodworking gift I actually suggested.

DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 6:43 PM

On 12/27/2009 06:23 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 08:09:01 -0700, the infamous Doug Winterburn
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> On 12/26/2009 05:35 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>>>> See ya`ll in a bit. *S*
>>>
>>> Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
>>> I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
>>> looks like it could be a hoot.
>>
>> They make really good bread. Next year you may need the lipo attachment
>> for your shop vac.
>
> What worries me is that I just heard Toy say something under his
> breath about finally finding a way to use his excess sawdust...
>

Should be healthy - fiber in the diet and all...

Pn

Phisherman

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

28/12/2009 11:05 AM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:42:35 -0800, "DGDevin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>One of my pet peeves is women who constantly put their men down
>>>because they can't do anything with their hands.......and bitch
>>>everytime the guy even mentions buying a tool.
>>
>> Mine never bitches about tools and rarely about unfinished projects
>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue). Good thing,
>> because I would have given her plenty to bitch about. Maybe there's a
>> reason we've kept them around (38 years, in my case). ;-)
>
>My wife lavishes praise on everything I build whether it deserves it or not.
>She also helps without complaint when I need an extra set of hands to
>assemble something. And she not only doesn't object when I buy tools (she
>knows any big-ticket item I buy has been heavily researched) but sometimes
>she suggests getting something I'm just eye-balling. Imagine being married
>to someone who wants to know why we're leaving the Grizzly store without
>buying something that plugs into the wall? I must have been a really good
>person in a previous life to deserve someone like her....
>


Very nice to have a helper for a few minutes when cutting 4x8 sheets
of ply. I'll take that over any "gift."

kk

krw

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 3:13 PM

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:42:35 -0800, "DGDevin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>>One of my pet peeves is women who constantly put their men down
>>>because they can't do anything with their hands.......and bitch
>>>everytime the guy even mentions buying a tool.
>>
>> Mine never bitches about tools and rarely about unfinished projects
>> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue). Good thing,
>> because I would have given her plenty to bitch about. Maybe there's a
>> reason we've kept them around (38 years, in my case). ;-)
>
>My wife lavishes praise on everything I build whether it deserves it or not.

Same.

>She also helps without complaint when I need an extra set of hands to
>assemble something.

She won't help - at all. I yelled at her once, thirty years ago, when
the RAS was binding. She was "helping" a bit too much (there can only
be one driver).

>And she not only doesn't object when I buy tools (she
>knows any big-ticket item I buy has been heavily researched) but sometimes
>she suggests getting something I'm just eye-balling. Imagine being married
>to someone who wants to know why we're leaving the Grizzly store without
>buying something that plugs into the wall? I must have been a really good
>person in a previous life to deserve someone like her....

Never been to a Grizzly store, but ditto.

Ll

"Leon"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

27/12/2009 11:28 AM


"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6d8ed2e9-9919-4148-9eb9-8fd78ab0e203@g26g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

Theeeeen I scored a Cuisinart Convection Breadmaker.
I know absolutely diddly-squat 'bout those there breadmachines, but it
looks like it could be a hoot.

All breadmakers have one major flaw. They all will make you FAT.

RN

Roy

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

26/12/2009 11:28 AM

On 26 Dec 2009 06:56:43 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>Peter Huebner <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>My Mum said "I want a power screwdriver that is all mine. Not anyone
>else's." She's not getting my Makitas, but I found her a nice Panasonic
>for Christmas.
>
>I'll have to borrow it once to see why it's a favorite brand here. ;-)
>

I bought a 12v Panasonic for SWMBO (a little slip of a thing) a couple years ago based on
recommendations here. I have not regretted it, and more importantly, neither has she. Your Mom
will like it, and you might find yourself wondering why you don't have one yourself.

Regards,
Roy

Dd

"DGDevin"

in reply to "DGDevin" on 25/12/2009 11:32 AM

25/12/2009 12:42 PM


"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

>>One of my pet peeves is women who constantly put their men down
>>because they can't do anything with their hands.......and bitch
>>everytime the guy even mentions buying a tool.
>
> Mine never bitches about tools and rarely about unfinished projects
> (tracking sawdust into the house is another issue). Good thing,
> because I would have given her plenty to bitch about. Maybe there's a
> reason we've kept them around (38 years, in my case). ;-)

My wife lavishes praise on everything I build whether it deserves it or not.
She also helps without complaint when I need an extra set of hands to
assemble something. And she not only doesn't object when I buy tools (she
knows any big-ticket item I buy has been heavily researched) but sometimes
she suggests getting something I'm just eye-balling. Imagine being married
to someone who wants to know why we're leaving the Grizzly store without
buying something that plugs into the wall? I must have been a really good
person in a previous life to deserve someone like her....


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