Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
much,
in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
suggestions
on how to handle it.
1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
extend a bit into the case.
4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
MJ
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT), MJ <[email protected]>
>I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
What about a socket cover until if and when you want to use the
outlet?
http://www.amazon.com/Safety-Universal-Outlet-Cover-White/dp/B000V1QW3W/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1335303051&sr=8-4
Steve Barker wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> MJ wrote:
>>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>>> much,
>>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>>> suggestions
>>> on how to handle it.
>>>
>>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>>
>>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>>
>>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>>> extend a bit into the case.
>>>
>>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>>
>>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>>
>>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>>
>>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>
>> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book
>> case there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but
>> I'm not sure that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess
>> it depends on how it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into
>> something like a bookcase with an outlet, since it'll never get used
>> anyway, and it just becomes an eyesore. I suppose you could run a
>> power strip with an angled plug from the outlet, to the side of the
>> bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that would be.
>>
>
> the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
>
> 1. No one's gonna be looking, and
> 2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
> they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>
> slide the bookcase into place and lets move on.
Hmmmmm... didn't read the post very well again did you Steve?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
I built my daughter a desk with a fully-covered back and she wanted it
placed where it blocked an outlet. I resolved that by using an power
strip with a flat plug to make power available to the side. Similar to
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-6-Outlet-Office-Protector-Rotating/dp/B000JV3CKA/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1335290371&sr=1-2
--
John S.
Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> How to move the outlet:
>>
>> 1. Remove baseboard.
>> 2. Install after-work box somewhere in wall past the bookcase.
>> 3. Run cable from existing box down, then along area that will be
>> covered by baseboard. You may have to remove 1/2" of sheetrock to
>> gain room for wiring. Then up to new box.
>
> Please, please, please, do _NOT_ ever do this for non-low-voltage
> wiring.
>
> Think about someone adding another nail to the baseboard in the
> future.
>
> If the wiring isn't more than 1" deeper than the surface, a nailing
> plate or metallic conduit is required to protect it from nails,
> screws, et al.
>
You raise a good point - it's a matter of possibilities and probabilities.
How thick of a metal plate do your recommend?
MJ wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
> MJ
Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a bookcase
with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just becomes an
eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug from the
outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that
would be.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Steve Barker wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
>> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>>
>
>
> ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
> means he doesn't.
So - if you are so objecting to all of the responses - why did you bother to
ask the question?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 4/24/2012 3:32 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Steve Barker wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> MJ wrote:
>>>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>>>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>>>> much,
>>>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>>>> suggestions
>>>> on how to handle it.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>>>> extend a bit into the case.
>>>>
>>>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>>>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>>>
>>>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>
>>> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book
>>> case there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but
>>> I'm not sure that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess
>>> it depends on how it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into
>>> something like a bookcase with an outlet, since it'll never get used
>>> anyway, and it just becomes an eyesore. I suppose you could run a
>>> power strip with an angled plug from the outlet, to the side of the
>>> bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that would be.
>>>
>>
>> the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
>>
>> 1. No one's gonna be looking, and
>> 2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
>> they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>>
>> slide the bookcase into place and lets move on.
>
>
> Hmmmmm... didn't read the post very well again did you Steve?
>
no, i read it fine. I just added an option. #6. put bookcase in place
and load with books.
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On 4/24/2012 3:50 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:32:38 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> Hmmmmm... didn't read the post very well again did you Steve?
>
> Definitely not his strong suit.
LOL! I read fine. I just don't nit-pik little shit that don't matter.
The OP stated he never used the outlet, duh, just cover it and go.
What's so complicated about that?
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Steve Barker <[email protected]> writes:
>On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> MJ wrote:
>>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>>> much,
>>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>>> suggestions
>>> on how to handle it.
>>>
>>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>>
>>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>>
>>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>>> extend a bit into the case.
>>>
>>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>>
>>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>>
>>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>>
>>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>>
>>> MJ
>>
>> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
>> there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
>> that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
>> it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a bookcase
>> with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just becomes an
>> eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug from the
>> outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that
>> would be.
>>
>
>the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
>
>1. No one's gonna be looking, and
This sounds like you'd be perfectly fine with someone stealing something
when no one is watching?
>2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
>they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>
And that's the point of the NEC rule in the first place. Junction boxes
obscured by the building (e.g. drywalled over) or permanent trim (nailed
on baseboard, built-in bookcase) can be a hazardous condition and will
cause no end of grief to an electrician (which you obviously are not nor
have ever been) trying to track down a fault.
scott
On 4/25/2012 6:26 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 11:31 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>> Yeah, yet another electrical thread. Just back slowly away from the
>> keyboard people!
>>
>
> But doing so would prevent us from saying and reading a bunch of folk
> lore and old wives tales. ;~)
Let me know when it gets around to a sub panel in a closet being
grounded using conduit behind a GFCI wired bookcase using 3ga UF in a
trailer house full of oak rust.
--
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Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
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Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
On 4/24/2012 4:52 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 3:50 PM, Dave wrote:
>> On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 16:32:38 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>>> Hmmmmm... didn't read the post very well again did you Steve?
>>
>> Definitely not his strong suit.
>
> LOL! I read fine. I just don't nit-pik little shit that don't matter.
> The OP stated he never used the outlet, duh, just cover it and go.
> What's so complicated about that?
>
On 4/24/2012 4:56 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 3:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Steve Barker<[email protected]> writes:
>>> On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> MJ wrote:
>>>>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>>>>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>>>>> much,
>>>>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>>>>> suggestions
>>>>> on how to handle it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>>>>> extend a bit into the case.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>>>>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>>>>
>>>>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>>>>
>>>>> MJ
>>>>
>>>> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book
>>>> case
>>>> there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm
>>>> not sure
>>>> that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends
>>>> on how
>>>> it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a
>>>> bookcase
>>>> with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just
>>>> becomes an
>>>> eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug
>>>> from the
>>>> outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial
>>>> that
>>>> would be.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
>>>
>>> 1. No one's gonna be looking, and
>>
>> This sounds like you'd be perfectly fine with someone stealing something
>> when no one is watching?
>
> nothing's being stolen here. no laws broken.
>>
>>> 2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
>>> they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>>>
>>
>> And that's the point of the NEC rule in the first place. Junction boxes
>> obscured by the building (e.g. drywalled over) or permanent trim (nailed
>> on baseboard, built-in bookcase) can be a hazardous condition and will
>> cause no end of grief to an electrician (which you obviously are not nor
>> have ever been) trying to track down a fault.
>>
>> scott
>
> why would they be hazardous covered if they are not hazardous out in the
> open? You know, not everything the NEC gods come up with makes sense.
> And yes, i've done plenty of electrical work, including a 100% rewire on
> 3 houses, and no i don't cover boxes. But if i were putting in a book
> case, i wouldn't get too excited about covering an outlet.
>
Because a wall plug is seldom the only one on a circuit and because they
do go bad for the sake of going bad, you stand a good chance to loose
power to the remaining circuits. And yes I have seen this happen more
than I would have ever expected and I am no electrician.
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> > MJ wrote:
> >> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> >> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> >> much,
> >> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> >> suggestions
> >> on how to handle it.
> >>
> >> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
> >>
> >> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
> >>
> >> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> >> extend a bit into the case.
> >>
> >> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
> >>
> >> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
> >>
> >> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> >> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
> >>
> >> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
> >>
> >> MJ
> >
> > Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
> > there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
> > that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
> > it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a bookcase
> > with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just becomes an
> > eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug from the
> > outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that
> > would be.
> >
>
> the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
>
> 1. No one's gonna be looking, and
> 2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
> they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>
> slide the bookcase into place and lets move on.
As a rule of thumb, if it's not nailed down it's not "permanent" within
the intent of the code. If you're not sure, track down the inspector
for your locality and ask.
Or if it's a single-family dwelling that you own and don't intend to
sell, do whatever you please and pick somebody you don't like as the
executor for your estate.
On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>
ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
means he doesn't.
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On 4/24/2012 3:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Steve Barker<[email protected]> writes:
>> On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> MJ wrote:
>>>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>>>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>>>> much,
>>>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>>>> suggestions
>>>> on how to handle it.
>>>>
>>>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>>>> extend a bit into the case.
>>>>
>>>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>>>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>>>
>>>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>>>
>>>> MJ
>>>
>>> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
>>> there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
>>> that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
>>> it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a bookcase
>>> with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just becomes an
>>> eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug from the
>>> outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that
>>> would be.
>>>
>>
>> the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
>>
>> 1. No one's gonna be looking, and
>
> This sounds like you'd be perfectly fine with someone stealing something
> when no one is watching?
nothing's being stolen here. no laws broken.
>
>> 2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
>> they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>>
>
> And that's the point of the NEC rule in the first place. Junction boxes
> obscured by the building (e.g. drywalled over) or permanent trim (nailed
> on baseboard, built-in bookcase) can be a hazardous condition and will
> cause no end of grief to an electrician (which you obviously are not nor
> have ever been) trying to track down a fault.
>
> scott
why would they be hazardous covered if they are not hazardous out in the
open? You know, not everything the NEC gods come up with makes sense.
And yes, i've done plenty of electrical work, including a 100% rewire on
3 houses, and no i don't cover boxes. But if i were putting in a book
case, i wouldn't get too excited about covering an outlet.
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MJ wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
How to move the outlet:
1. Remove baseboard.
2. Install after-work box somewhere in wall past the bookcase.
3. Run cable from existing box down, then along area that will be covered by
baseboard. You may have to remove 1/2" of sheetrock to gain room for wiring.
Then up to new box.
4. Replace baseboard. Wire up new outlet. Install cover plate over old
outlet.
My best plan, done without seeing your arrangement, would be to remove the
baseboard anyway and attach the bookcase to the wall. That way, it will look
like it was intended to go there.
There are bookcases with no backs, shelves really. Did you consider that
possibility?
On 4/24/2012 8:26 PM, Larry W wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Steve Barker<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 6:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>> On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
>>>>> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
>>>> means he doesn't.
>>>
>>> So - if you are so objecting to all of the responses - why did you bother to
>>> ask the question?
>>>
>>
>> i don't remember asking a question.
> <...>
>
> What was this thread about again?
>
>
Bookshelf in front of electrical outlet...
After that it went weird.
> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
> there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
> that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
> it's put in.
As long as it's a free-standing bookcase, not built-in, it's not considered permanent for
purposes of the NEC.
The NEC requires that all wiring boxes be "accessible" and defines the term thus:
"Capable of being removed or exposed without damaging the building structure or finish or not
permanently closed in by the structure or finish of the building."
MJ <[email protected]> wrote in news:a55fb8b3-ceba-4a32-9841-
[email protected]:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
> MJ
I cut a hole the size of the outlet in the back of the Ikea Billy
bookcase, then put a multiple outlet strip on the shelf. With an on/off
switch, so I only draw juice when charging the batteries or using the
shredder that are plugged in.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
Han <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> MJ <[email protected]> wrote in news:a55fb8b3-ceba-4a32-9841-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>> much,
>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>> suggestions
>> on how to handle it.
>>
>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>
>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>
>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>> extend a bit into the case.
>>
>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>
>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>
>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>
>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>
>> MJ
>
> I cut a hole the size of the outlet in the back of the Ikea Billy
> bookcase, then put a multiple outlet strip on the shelf. With an
> on/off switch, so I only draw juice when charging the batteries or
> using the shredder that are plugged in.
For me the solution of a flatbacked plug to an outlet strip next to the
bookcase was not an option. Of course, if that is an option, it is the
better one, despite the vague NEC concerns.
--
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Han
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On 4/24/2012 11:31 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 9:47 PM, Richard wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 8:26 PM, Larry W wrote:
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Steve Barker<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 4/24/2012 6:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>>>> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
>>>>>>> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
>>>>>> means he doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> So - if you are so objecting to all of the responses - why did you
>>>>> bother to
>>>>> ask the question?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i don't remember asking a question.
>>> <...>
>>>
>>> What was this thread about again?
>>>
>>>
>> Bookshelf in front of electrical outlet...
>>
>> After that it went weird.
>
> Yeah, yet another electrical thread. Just back slowly away from the
> keyboard people!
>
But doing so would prevent us from saying and reading a bunch of folk
lore and old wives tales. ;~)
On 4/24/2012 6:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Steve Barker wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
>>> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>>>
>>
>>
>> ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
>> means he doesn't.
>
> So - if you are so objecting to all of the responses - why did you bother to
> ask the question?
>
i don't remember asking a question.
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HeyBub wrote:
> How to move the outlet:
>
> 1. Remove baseboard.
> 2. Install after-work box somewhere in wall past the bookcase.
Only if the construction plan allows that per code. If it is permantly
accesable, then fine. If it is not, then ya have to come up with another
plan - or don't worry about the code.
> 3. Run cable from existing box down, then along area that will be
> covered by baseboard. You may have to remove 1/2" of sheetrock to
> gain room for wiring. Then up to new box.
Easier to just run an extension cord.
> 4. Replace baseboard. Wire up new outlet. Install cover plate over old
> outlet.
>
> My best plan, done without seeing your arrangement, would be to
> remove the baseboard anyway and attach the bookcase to the wall. That
> way, it will look like it was intended to go there.
Don't think that was part of his description or of his question.
--
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Steve Barker <[email protected]> writes:
>On 4/24/2012 3:57 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
>>> 1. No one's gonna be looking, and
>>
>> This sounds like you'd be perfectly fine with someone stealing something
>> when no one is watching?
>
>nothing's being stolen here. no laws broken.
Not the point.
>>
>>> 2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
>>> they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
>>>
>>
>> And that's the point of the NEC rule in the first place. Junction boxes
>> obscured by the building (e.g. drywalled over) or permanent trim (nailed
>> on baseboard, built-in bookcase) can be a hazardous condition and will
>> cause no end of grief to an electrician (which you obviously are not nor
>> have ever been) trying to track down a fault.
>>
>> scott
>
>why would they be hazardous covered if they are not hazardous out in the
>open?
Devices fail, connections work loose (particularly in seismic zones and with
Aluminum wiring).
And the code requirement on such junction boxes is also for diagnosis and
repair of wiring systems.
> You know, not everything the NEC gods come up with makes sense.
Doesn't make sense to _you_.
It makes sense to the electrical engineers and fire experts who
write the NEC.
>And yes, i've done plenty of electrical work, including a 100% rewire on
>3 houses,
I'm afraid that doesn't make you an electrician. I've seen plenty of
homeowner work that would make a non-electrician cringe, much less a
qualified electrician. I've also seen so-called qualified electricians
poor work (like the new 200A service entrance on a utility feeder with a rated ampacity
of 90A at 60c - the utility company made him rip the 200A service and replace
it).
>and no i don't cover boxes. But if i were putting in a book
>case, i wouldn't get too excited about covering an outlet.
As Doug pointed out, a mobile bookcase is not a problem. A builtin, may be.
The code requires that all junction boxes be accessible without removing any
part of the building.
scott
Here's my take.
Put a flat plug on a cord, and if you have a flat base to the bookshelf
(one without and arch or decoration, cut out a square fit an electrical
box there. and install an outlet. Now you have something that really
functions and is not so bad. It's an extension cord so no harm and it's
solid. You can make or buy a cover that matches the wood, or use a
contrasting color to highlight it... whatever you want.
On 4/24/2012 1:39 PM, MJ wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
> MJ
On Apr 24, 12:39=A0pm, MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
> MJ
I wold go with the #2/3 options depending on how much extension was
needed. It is easy and you never know when you might want to put a
computer photo frame, electric sensory candle, or other electrical
device in your bookcase. This would work much better if you attached
to the wall.
When we were building our house the electrician recommended putting a
receptacle in the back of a vanity upright extension for electric
tooth brush charging. Seemed strange but it turned out to be a very
good idea.
RonB
On 4/24/2012 12:39 PM, MJ wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
> MJ
I do this all the time, use an extension cord, there are ones with right
angle male ends that do not stick out from the electrical outlett much
more than 5/8", Hide the cord behind the cabinet.
In article <a55fb8b3-ceba-4a32-9841-626685acfd84@ri8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
MJ <[email protected]> wrote:
>Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>much,
>in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>suggestions
>on how to handle it.
If you've got a 1/2" clear, as you say, make up a short, medium-duty,
3-wire (of course) extension cord with a 'right angle plug' on it. Plug
it into the outlet, and run the cord off to one side or the other (whichever
will put the socket end of the cord in a more 'convenient' position).
*Then* put the book-case in place.
Problem solved.
Note: Put one of the plastic 'safety guards' in the socket when it's not
in use, to keep anything from 'accidentally' getting into the socket.
On 4/24/2012 10:39 AM, MJ wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
> much,
> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
> suggestions
> on how to handle it.
>
> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>
> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>
> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
> extend a bit into the case.
>
> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>
> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>
> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>
> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>
> MJ
you can get extension cords that have a flat plug and go to the side, so
they can be behind things like this.
On 4/24/2012 10:39 AM, MJ wrote:
> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
> it covers an outlet.
Not a major event...
http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=289&idcategory=0
Outlet Stamp and Outlet trim ring...
http://www.fastcap.com/estore/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=2478
On 4/24/2012 2:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> MJ wrote:
>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>> much,
>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>> suggestions
>> on how to handle it.
>>
>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>
>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>
>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>> extend a bit into the case.
>>
>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>
>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>
>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>
>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>
>> MJ
>
> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
> there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
> that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
> it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a bookcase
> with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just becomes an
> eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug from the
> outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that
> would be.
>
MJ: Is this case sitting on the floor a 1/2 inch away from the wall or
is it fastened to the wall with a 1/2 inch gap between the case back and
the wall?
In article <[email protected]>,
Steve Barker <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/24/2012 6:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
>>>> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
>>> means he doesn't.
>>
>> So - if you are so objecting to all of the responses - why did you bother to
>> ask the question?
>>
>
>i don't remember asking a question.
<...>
What was this thread about again?
--
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Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
On 4/24/2012 9:47 PM, Richard wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 8:26 PM, Larry W wrote:
>> In article<[email protected]>,
>> Steve Barker<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 4/24/2012 6:21 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>>> Steve Barker wrote:
>>>>> On 4/24/2012 3:58 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
>>>>>> Actually you can't read. He said he doesn't use it all that much...
>>>>>> meaning he uses it.. just not all the time....
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ACTUALLY he said he couldn't remember the last time he used it. That
>>>>> means he doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> So - if you are so objecting to all of the responses - why did you bother to
>>>> ask the question?
>>>>
>>>
>>> i don't remember asking a question.
>> <...>
>>
>> What was this thread about again?
>>
>>
> Bookshelf in front of electrical outlet...
>
> After that it went weird.
Yeah, yet another electrical thread. Just back slowly away from the keyboard
people!
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On 4/25/2012 7:38 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 4/25/2012 6:26 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 11:31 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
>
>>> Yeah, yet another electrical thread. Just back slowly away from the
>>> keyboard people!
>>>
>>
>> But doing so would prevent us from saying and reading a bunch of folk
>> lore and old wives tales. ;~)
>
> Let me know when it gets around to a sub panel in a closet being grounded using
> conduit behind a GFCI wired bookcase using 3ga UF in a trailer house full of
> oak rust.
Heh heh. :-)
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On 4/25/12 7:38 AM, Swingman wrote:
> oak rust.
>
darn.
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In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 4/25/2012 6:26 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/24/2012 11:31 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
>
>
>>> Yeah, yet another electrical thread. Just back slowly away from the
>>> keyboard people!
>>>
>>
>> But doing so would prevent us from saying and reading a bunch of folk
>> lore and old wives tales. ;~)
>
>Let me know when it gets around to a sub panel in a closet being
>grounded using conduit behind a GFCI wired bookcase using 3ga UF in a
>trailer house full of oak rust.
>
Powering a dust collector with ungrounded PVC ductork...
--
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Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> Please, please, please, do _NOT_ ever do this for non-low-voltage
> wiring.
>
> Think about someone adding another nail to the baseboard in the
> future.
>
> If the wiring isn't more than 1" deeper than the surface, a nailing
> plate or metallic conduit is required to protect it from nails,
> screws, et al.
>
If you use metallic armored cable: BX or AC, you should be okay.
On 4/24/2012 1:13 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> MJ wrote:
>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>> much,
>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>> suggestions
>> on how to handle it.
>>
>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>
>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>
>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>> extend a bit into the case.
>>
>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>
>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>
>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>
>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>
>> MJ
>
> Just an opinion - if I never used the outlet, I'd just put the book case
> there. NEC does not allow permanent covering of an outlet, but I'm not sure
> that a bookcase would be considered permanent - I guess it depends on how
> it's put in. I don't believe in intruding into something like a bookcase
> with an outlet, since it'll never get used anyway, and it just becomes an
> eyesore. I suppose you could run a power strip with an angled plug from the
> outlet, to the side of the bookcase, but I'm not sure now beneficial that
> would be.
>
the "NEC" bullshit is a moot point. Because of two main points.
1. No one's gonna be looking, and
2. Even if they looked, and there was a permanent bookcase there,
they'd have no idea there was an outlet there. HELLO??
slide the bookcase into place and lets move on.
--
Steve Barker
remove the "not" from my address to email
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> writes:
>MJ wrote:
>> Building a bookcase. Not the problem. However, where I want it,
>> it covers an outlet. Now I don't use this particular outlet all that
>> much,
>> in fact I can't recall the last time I did, but looking for
>> suggestions
>> on how to handle it.
>>
>> 1) Move the outlet - possibility - but a hassle.
>>
>> 2) Cut an access hole in the back of the bookcase.
>>
>> 3) Do #2, but also put an extension on the outlet so it will
>> extend a bit into the case.
>>
>> 4) I could shorten the bookcase - very possible.
>>
>> 5) Put the bookcase elsewhere - nope, no other place.
>>
>> I'm not planning to put the case directly against the wall, meaning
>> I'm not ripping out the baseboard. The baseboard is about 1/2".
>>
>> Have at it. Willing to hear from many as to solve this.
>>
>
>How to move the outlet:
>
>1. Remove baseboard.
>2. Install after-work box somewhere in wall past the bookcase.
>3. Run cable from existing box down, then along area that will be covered by
>baseboard. You may have to remove 1/2" of sheetrock to gain room for wiring.
>Then up to new box.
Please, please, please, do _NOT_ ever do this for non-low-voltage wiring.
Think about someone adding another nail to the baseboard in the future.
If the wiring isn't more than 1" deeper than the surface, a nailing plate or
metallic conduit is required to protect it from nails, screws, et al.
scott
>4. Replace baseboard. Wire up new outlet. Install cover plate over old
>outlet.
"HeyBub" <[email protected]> writes:
>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>
>>> How to move the outlet:
>>>
>>> 1. Remove baseboard.
>>> 2. Install after-work box somewhere in wall past the bookcase.
>>> 3. Run cable from existing box down, then along area that will be
>>> covered by baseboard. You may have to remove 1/2" of sheetrock to
>>> gain room for wiring. Then up to new box.
>>
>> Please, please, please, do _NOT_ ever do this for non-low-voltage
>> wiring.
>>
>> Think about someone adding another nail to the baseboard in the
>> future.
>>
>> If the wiring isn't more than 1" deeper than the surface, a nailing
>> plate or metallic conduit is required to protect it from nails,
>> screws, et al.
>>
>
>You raise a good point - it's a matter of possibilities and probabilities.
>How thick of a metal plate do your recommend?
Something thick enough stop stop a nail. See the nailing plates in
the electrical section of your local hardware store. Probably better to
just make the appropriate holes in the drywall to wire behind it, then
patch.
scott