rR

[email protected] (Rileyesi)

26/08/2004 2:43 AM

Martial Arts Staff Wood?

I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use. It
would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there techniques
used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?

I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!

Thanks.


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SI

"Slowhand"

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 10:03 AM


"Rileyesi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use.

Rattan. I take stick fighting classes here locally and that is what our
staffs are made of.
SH

SI

"Slowhand"

in reply to "Slowhand" on 26/08/2004 10:03 AM

26/08/2004 4:08 PM


"Rileyesi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> >Rattan. I take stick fighting classes here locally and that is what our
> >staffs are made of.
> >SH
> >
>
>
> One of the cool things about rattan is the way they will spark if you hit
them
> together at just the right angle. In case you've never seen this, go into
a
> darkened room and hit two of them at a glancing blow (i.e. not directly at
each
> other) so there is some slide between them. Try holding one still and
hitting
> it with the other.

And all this time I thought I was just seeing stars <g>

rR

[email protected] (Rileyesi)

in reply to "Slowhand" on 26/08/2004 10:03 AM

26/08/2004 5:25 PM

>
>Rattan. I take stick fighting classes here locally and that is what our
>staffs are made of.
>SH
>


One of the cool things about rattan is the way they will spark if you hit them
together at just the right angle. In case you've never seen this, go into a
darkened room and hit two of them at a glancing blow (i.e. not directly at each
other) so there is some slide between them. Try holding one still and hitting
it with the other.

bb

bugbear

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 4:43 PM

Rileyesi wrote:
> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use. It
> would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there techniques
> used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?

I made a combat "short staff", around 35" long for a friend
who's into this sort of thing. It was intended for full contact
use (at least on other staves).

Since hickory is hard to get in the UK, I used good a grade ash.

The surface was planed and "boned", the same process applied
to baseball bats. This (pre)compresses the surface fibres, rendering
the surface more resistant to knocks, and it also puts
a gloss on. Final finishing was raw linseed, just 2-3 coats.

According to reports from my friend the staff held up well.

You need to use something strong and shiny, so I used my scraper
burnisher, which is mirror finished, and around Rc 64...

http://ikkf.org/article1Q97.html

BugBear

Ba

B a r r y

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 11:16 AM

On 26 Aug 2004 02:43:59 GMT, [email protected] (Rileyesi) wrote:

>I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use.

Ash is what many baseball bats are made from. I'd probably wipe on a
good urethane finish for protection.

Barry

jj

jsp

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 1:05 PM

Rileyesi wrote:

> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use. It
> would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there techniques
> used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?
>
> I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!
>
> Thanks.

Sorry, I meant to add to my previous reply: Danish oil gives a good
finish, in my experince (bokken making rather than Jo, but hey ho.)

--
John

jj

jsp

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 1:03 PM

Rileyesi wrote:
> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use. It
> would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there techniques
> used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?
>
> I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!
>
> Thanks.

Japanese oak would be traditional (hence my request up above)

--
John

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

27/08/2004 4:43 AM

jsp <[email protected]> wrote in news:ewpXc.599$Ch2.54@newsfe2-
gui.ntli.net:

> bugbear wrote:
>
>
>> Since hickory is hard to get in the UK, I used good a grade ash.
>>
>> The surface was planed and "boned", the same process applied
>> to baseball bats. This (pre)compresses the surface fibres, rendering
>> the surface more resistant to knocks, and it also puts
>> a gloss on. Final finishing was raw linseed, just 2-3 coats.
>
> Can you explain 'boning' to me, in this context, please?
>

In US baseball, one can occaisionally see players rubbing down their bats'
surfaces using some sort of hard device. Traditionally, this was some sort
of bone left after braising/boiling meat (ham bone, maybe?) I assume
almost any large, smooth HARD tool would do. As bugbear said, it
compresses the surface, and according to tradition, makes the bat last
longer, and the ball go further, faster.

Baseball players will believe almost anything. Tradition and superstition
make it one of the more charming portions of modern US culture.

I can see where it would likely have a 'more than decorative' effect on a
fighting staff.

(now veering off topic even further...)

BTW, more baseball bats are being made of hard maple these days, often from
Canada. The properties which make this change desirable may not be
applicable to your project, however.

Patriarch,
from a long, and continuing line of baseball fans...

JG

Joe Gorman

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 8:27 AM

I'd recommend splitting the stock to get the staffs. That way there will
be no cross grain to worry about.
Joe

Rob V wrote:

> maple is a good wood to use (ive made 2 bo's from it in the past)
> Stained the both a deep black - they came out great.
>
> or if u have the $$$ us something exotic like purple heart.
>
> Sealed them both w/ poly.
> U want something w/ a really tight grain.
>
>
>
>
> "Rileyesi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use.
>
> It
>
>>would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there
>
> techniques
>
>>used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?
>>
>>I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!
>>
>>Thanks.
>
>
>

jj

jsp

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 5:57 PM

bugbear wrote:


> Since hickory is hard to get in the UK, I used good a grade ash.
>
> The surface was planed and "boned", the same process applied
> to baseball bats. This (pre)compresses the surface fibres, rendering
> the surface more resistant to knocks, and it also puts
> a gloss on. Final finishing was raw linseed, just 2-3 coats.

Can you explain 'boning' to me, in this context, please?

--
John

RV

"Rob V"

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 3:11 AM

maple is a good wood to use (ive made 2 bo's from it in the past)
Stained the both a deep black - they came out great.

or if u have the $$$ us something exotic like purple heart.

Sealed them both w/ poly.
U want something w/ a really tight grain.




"Rileyesi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use.
It
> would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there
techniques
> used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?
>
> I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!
>
> Thanks.

BJ

"Big John"

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 8:22 AM

Teak is normally used for weapons.

"Rileyesi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use.
It
> would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there
techniques
> used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?
>
> I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!
>
> Thanks.

JJ

"Jack"

in reply to [email protected] (Rileyesi) on 26/08/2004 2:43 AM

26/08/2004 9:38 AM

There is nothing better than making your own bo. way to go !! you need to
split the bo because it will warp if you don't. also, make sure you store
it correctly. (personal experience ....)

Purple heart wood... nice stuff for a bo.

"Rileyesi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I want to make some bo and jo staffs and was wondering what wood to use.
It
> would have to be light, strong, and not splinter. Also, are there
techniques
> used to treat the wood to "seal" it so it won't splinter?
>
> I can buy them already made, but I'm looking for a project!
>
> Thanks.

rR

[email protected] (Rileyesi)

in reply to "Jack" on 26/08/2004 9:38 AM

26/08/2004 2:00 PM

>There is nothing better than making your own bo. way to go !! you need to
>split the bo because it will warp if you don't. also, make sure you store
>it correctly. (personal experience ....)
>
>Purple heart wood... nice stuff for a bo.

Thanks to all who have replied.

Dumb question...what do you mean by splitting the wood?? I imagine that it has
something to do with the grain direction, but I want to be sure.

Thanks from a wood novice!

pP

[email protected] (Phil Crow)

in reply to "Jack" on 26/08/2004 9:38 AM

26/08/2004 3:51 PM

"There's nothin' like a good piece of hickory."

-Clint Eastwood, "Pale Rider"


Hope it helps.
-Phil Crow


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