stupid question for idiot action...was gluing on plywood edging (ash
strip, flush to side of plywood)..thought, hm, I'll tack it on with 23
gauge pin nail and then rip it even after it dries..did not remember
that the front face of the edging strip is NOT SMOOTH, so now I need
to rip the face of the edging strip with the pin nails in the
strip..duhhhhhhh
Q: if I don't care about the blade (old Oldham rip blade) can I just
rip through the 23 gauge pins without a safety issue. Woudl finish up
with sanding. Blade life not an issue - on verge of pitching anyway.
Normally would use router but that is out. What do you think?
cc wrote:
> stupid question for idiot action...was gluing on plywood edging (ash
> strip, flush to side of plywood)..thought, hm, I'll tack it on with 23
> gauge pin nail and then rip it even after it dries..did not remember
> that the front face of the edging strip is NOT SMOOTH, so now I need
> to rip the face of the edging strip with the pin nails in the
> strip..duhhhhhhh
>
> Q: if I don't care about the blade (old Oldham rip blade) can I just
> rip through the 23 gauge pins without a safety issue. Woudl finish up
> with sanding. Blade life not an issue - on verge of pitching anyway.
> Normally would use router but that is out. What do you think?
Not a problem. Take it from one who has cut off a few 6d headless
finish nails.
dang it!!!
jo4hn
Swingman wrote:
> LOL ... funny how you can embarrass yourself, even when you're all by
> yourself. :)
>
And once embarrassed to further the shame by sharing it here......I've done
two as of late....a shallow 3 inch slice through my cast iron Table saw top,
you'd think 2 by 4's draped across it when cutting ply on top with a skill
saw would make that near impossible, round blades apparently elongate when
spinning quickly<G>. And a quick slice(length wise) through a sheet rock
screw(a cobbled together jig) with my Forester blade, normally only used for
finish grade type projects....neither incident seemed to do significant harm
but I haven't really cut much since with either blade either. Rod
On Dec 27, 6:45=A0pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Dec 27, 10:58=A0am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > .... I did decide that it was probably time to take a break >for the res=
t of =A0the day before I hurt myself.
>
> Well, that made me fall out of the chair with laughter. =A0How well I
> know that feeling.
>
> "Hi, dear... you're home early."
>
> "Uhhh.... yeah... well... the material didn't get to the job like it
> was supposed to".
>
> Yeah, right.
Oh cool! I used to use that same ....errrmm... excuse (?) when my
bowels were trying to crawl into my nutsack via my (now fixed) hernia.
"Yup, hon, those damned truckers couldn't find the shop again... guess
I'm home for the day, yup."
(I was going to try to soften the rudeness of that statement, but it
was too late... I had already hit the 'send' button...)
On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:25:14 -0800 (PST), cc <[email protected]>
wrote:
...
>Q: if I don't care about the blade (old Oldham rip blade) can I just
>rip through the 23 gauge pins without a safety issue. Woudl finish up
>with sanding. Blade life not an issue - on verge of pitching anyway.
>Normally would use router but that is out. What do you think?
Ditto what the others have said, but if you're really worried about
cutting steel with your saw blade you could always get one of these:
http://www.hawksawblades.com/sawblades-morse-metaldevil.htm
Believe it or not, they work quite well. I've cut strips off 3/8 steel
plate with my PC circular saw using one of these blades.
Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA
On Dec 27, 10:58=A0am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> .... I did decide that it was probably time to take a break >for the rest =
of the day before I hurt myself.
Well, that made me fall out of the chair with laughter. How well I
know that feeling.
"Hi, dear... you're home early."
"Uhhh.... yeah... well... the material didn't get to the job like it
was supposed to".
Yeah, right.
About that time I am thinking, "ten toes, ten fingers, no blood. I
guess the day wasn't THAT bad."
Robert
On Dec 26, 11:25=A0pm, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
> stupid question for idiot action...was gluing on plywood edging (ash
> strip, flush to side of plywood)..thought, hm, I'll tack it on with 23
> gauge pin nail and then rip it even after it dries..did not remember
> that the front face of the edging strip is NOT SMOOTH, so now I need
> to rip the face of the edging strip with the pin nails in the
> strip..duhhhhhhh
>
> Q: if I don't care about the blade (old Oldham rip blade) can I just
> rip through the 23 gauge pins without a safety issue. Woudl finish up
> with sanding. Blade life not an issue - on verge of pitching anyway.
> Normally would use router but that is out. What do you think?
I would feel better if the blade was nice and sharp rather than dull.
A 23ga nail is easily cut, but if the blade is dull, it might tear
away.
Reading this thread has made me LMAO. I thought I was the only one
that deliberately (OK, maybe no deliberately sometimes!) wound up
buzzing through a brad or pin.
If I am stuck and HAVE to do it, I will after some good cussing. Yet,
I am always kind of embarassed, even when no one else is around.
I would vote for the sharp blade idea myself.
I had a piece of 1 1/2" oak clamped to my old steel miter setup a
couple of years ago and was making a small rip down the side of the
board. It was old and hard, but I was using a 15 amp Makita with a
new 18 tooth Makita blade on it, so I didn't think twice.
I heard a kind of loud rattling noise, but I thought I hit a hard knot
I didn't see as the saw didn't bobble, and I didn't see any sparks or
smoke. I felt something hit my foot, but I didn't want to mess up my
cut (no more oak) so I finished it. Looking on the ground when I set
the saw down, I discovered I had cut off a 3/8" steel clamping knob,
cutting through the plastic end and shearing off the bolt. Talk about
feeling stoooopid (and embarassed!).
No apparent damage to the blade or the saw, although I did find little
tiny sparkles of metal in the wood. It was a brand new blade and it
didn't even lose a tooth, warp, or burn.
Yeah, I'd go with a sharp blade. Especially for something that
small. You'll want a clean cut!
Robert
On Dec 26, 10:25=A0pm, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
> stupid question for idiot action...was gluing on plywood edging (ash
> strip, flush to side of plywood)..thought, hm, I'll tack it on with 23
> gauge pin nail and then rip it even after it dries..did not remember
> that the front face of the edging strip is NOT SMOOTH, so now I need
> to rip the face of the edging strip with the pin nails in the
> strip..duhhhhhhh
>
> Q: if I don't care about the blade (old Oldham rip blade) can I just
> rip through the 23 gauge pins without a safety issue. Woudl finish up
> with sanding. Blade life not an issue - on verge of pitching anyway.
> Normally would use router but that is out. What do you think?
Been there, done that. You may see a tiny spark now and then, but the
blade will hardly know the nails are there. Since you have to cut
through the nails anyway, why not take off enough of the edge that you
can replace it with a smooth strip?
DonkeyHody
"Every man is my superior in that I can learn from him."
On Dec 27, 10:41=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I too have done this more times that I would like to >admit. =A0The first =
few times I was unaware that this had >happened except for the beautifully
> polished spot about 1/16" in diameter.
I hope you pointed out to anyone that saw your polished spot "it's a
shame that it won't be where anyone could see it. It took me a long
time to get that polished up"
Robert
"Tim W" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
> Or better still pull them out.
Very often easier said than done. Better pins are coated and will most
often break before coming out.
On Dec 27, 12:55=A0pm, Tom Veatch wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:25:14 -0800 (PST), cc <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> ...
>
> >Q: if I don't care about the blade (old Oldham rip blade) can I just
> >rip through the 23 gauge pins without a safety issue. Woudl finish up
> >with sanding. Blade life not an issue - on verge of pitching anyway.
> >Normally would use router but that is out. What do you think?
>
> Ditto what the others have said, but if you're really worried about
> cutting steel with your saw blade you could always get one of these:
>
> http://www.hawksawblades.com/sawblades-morse-metaldevil.htm
>
> Believe it or not, they work quite well. I've cut strips off 3/8 steel
> plate with my PC circular saw using one of these blades.
It's all about feed rate.
"cc" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
> strip, flush to side of plywood)..thought, hm, I'll tack it on with 23
> gauge pin nail and then rip it even after it dries..did not remember
> that the front face of the edging strip is NOT SMOOTH, so now I need
Do you have a pin sized counter sink that you can use to drive the pin nails
deeper?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Reading this thread has made me LMAO. I thought I was the only one
> that deliberately (OK, maybe no deliberately sometimes!) wound up
> buzzing through a brad or pin.
Snip
I too have done this more times that I would like to admit. The first few
times I was unaware that this had happened except for the beautifully
polished spot about 1/16" in diameter.
On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 02:31:34 -0800 (PST), DonkeyHody
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Been there, done that. You may see a tiny spark now and then, but the
>blade will hardly know the nails are there. Since you have to cut
>through the nails anyway, why not take off enough of the edge that you
>can replace it with a smooth strip?
No need to replace the strip.
23 ga. headless pins can be made truly invisible. They really are
THAT small, far smaller than a brad!
To the OP: Use a sharp blade! There is a small chance a dull blade
can pull on the wire and elongate the hole. The fact that yours are
installed in ash will make them easier to cut.
I've unintentionally hit 18 brads and staples, and even _15_ gauge
finish nails in jigs, and they were cleanly sheared off. The 15's
made more noise and dinged a tooth or two, but 18 and 23 ga. fasteners
shouldn't hurt anything.
<[email protected]> wrote
> I heard a kind of loud rattling noise, but I thought I hit a hard knot
> I didn't see as the saw didn't bobble, and I didn't see any sparks or
> smoke. I felt something hit my foot, but I didn't want to mess up my
> cut (no more oak) so I finished it. Looking on the ground when I set
> the saw down, I discovered I had cut off a 3/8" steel clamping knob,
> cutting through the plastic end and shearing off the bolt. Talk about
> feeling stoooopid (and embarassed!).
LOL ... funny how you can embarrass yourself, even when you're all by
yourself. :)
Of course I have no idea how it got there, but one day the aluminum fence
for my Woodhaven miter gauge developed a nicely executed, angled cut clean
through it. It would now make a super "zero clearance" fence for a 6 3/4
degree angle ... providing I ever need to cut something at that angle again.
.... I did decide that it was probably time to take a break for the rest of
the day before I hurt myself.
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"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "cc" <[email protected]> wrote in message ...
>> strip, flush to side of plywood)..thought, hm, I'll tack it on with 23
>> gauge pin nail and then rip it even after it dries..did not remember
>> that the front face of the edging strip is NOT SMOOTH, so now I need
>
> Do you have a pin sized counter sink that you can use to drive the pin
> nails
> deeper?
>
Or better still pull them out.
Tim w