IV

"Ivan Vegvary"

22/06/2010 12:27 PM

What is a "Balance Sheet"

Not an accounting question!!

Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making table saw
extensions. It has you adding plastic laminate to 3/4" plywood and a
"balance sheet".

Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance sheet. (The
balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces the chances of warpage.
If balance sheet is difficult to locate in your area, use laminate on the
bottom side of the extensions)".

So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. Should I simply buy an interior
'door blank'?

Help?

Thanks,
Ivan Vegvary


This topic has 21 replies

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

25/06/2010 8:53 AM

On Jun 23, 8:37=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:ba8d5ec0-5f59-4c39-8152-4344669d1433@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On 23 June, 07:14, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> > How many antiques have laminate on them?
>
> >> Ever hear of Marquetry?
>
> > Marquetry isn't a laminate.
>
> See Robotoy's response. When I was taught veneering, I was taught to vene=
er
> Both sides of the core.
>
That has a lot to do with the adhesive doing a lot of the balancing.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 5:56 AM

On Jun 23, 7:09=A0am, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/23/2010 2:14 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On 6/22/2010 8:32 PM, BobS wrote:
> >>> Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
> >>> the past and never got a real-world explanation.
>
> >>> How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
> >>> tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops=
-
> >>> do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?
>
> >> What are they made out of?
>
> >>> I live in the area where Stickley furniture is made and if you look a=
t
> >>> their table tops and dressers and drawers drawer's, the tops or
> >>> outsides are finished but the underside and drawers are not. If they
> >>> are, then it sure is a clear coating that mimics fresh milled wood.
>
> >> How much Stickley furniture has laminate on it?
>
> >>> Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
> >>> warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.
>
> >> How many antiques have laminate on them?
>
> > Ever hear of Marquetry?
>
> So how much marquetry uses laminate (where, in this context, as anyone
> with a tenth of a brain would have figured out, "laminate" means
> "decorative laminated plastic", the plastic stuff that is sold for use
> on kitchen counters and the like, and not strips of wood stuck together
> with glue).
>
> Do you have Asperger's Syndrome or something?

v. lam=B7i=B7nat=B7ed, lam=B7i=B7nat=B7ing, lam=B7i=B7nates
v.tr.
1. To beat or compress into a thin plate or sheet.
2. To divide into thin layers.
3. To make by uniting several layers.
4. To cover with thin sheets.
v.intr.
To split into thin layers or sheets.
adj. (-nt, -nt)
Consisting of, arranged in, or covered with laminae.
n. (-nt, -nt)
A laminated product, such as plywood.

Now... YOU have decided that we're talking exclusively, by Clarke's
decree, about "decorative laminated plastic", agin, twisting and
bending the conversation so it suits YOU.

'Balance Sheet' is not "decorative laminated plastic", in fact, it
isn't even close to decorative, nor is it 'plastic'... it is paper/
phenolic.
Now I KNOW where you're going to go with the word 'plastic, that it,
in fact means:
1. Capable of being shaped or formed: plastic material such as clay.
See Synonyms at malleable.

Now, seeing as we are exposing all your fuck-ups from now on (yes, you
ARE my new hobby) Asperger defines as follows:
Asperger syndrome is distinguished by a pattern of symptoms rather
than a single symptom. It is characterized by qualitative impairment
in social interaction, by stereotyped and restricted patterns of
activities and interests, >>>>>and by no clinically significant delay
in cognitive development or general delay in language.<<<<<<<[13].

If ANYBODY here has a psychological disorder it is you, Clarke. You
have the same modus operandi in the dozen news groups you attend,
posting hundreds of leading questions just angling and praying
somebody says something you can sink your fangs into just so you can
be the hero (in your mind) and be RIGHT. BEING RIGHT!!! Cool!!!

Why don't you stop asking thousands of leading questions and start
contributing to these news groups?

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 12:36 PM

On Jun 22, 3:27=A0pm, "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Not an accounting question!!
>
> Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making table saw
> extensions. =A0It has you adding plastic laminate to 3/4" plywood and a
> "balance sheet".
>
> Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance sheet. =A0(=
The
> balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces the chances of warpag=
e.
> If balance sheet is difficult to locate in your area, use laminate on the
> bottom side of the extensions)".
>
> So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. =A0Should I simply buy an inte=
rior
> 'door blank'?
>
> Help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan Vegvary

Balance sheet is unfinished compressed kraftpaper/resin (phenolic),
but it has a minute amount of porosity. It is basically laminate
without the shiny/colour/top layer. Regular laminate as a balance
sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong way.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 5:24 PM

On Jun 22, 6:15=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 3:36=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 3:27=A0pm, "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Not an accounting question!!
>
> > > Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making table s=
aw
> > > extensions. =A0It has you adding plastic laminate to 3/4" plywood and=
a
> > > "balance sheet".
>
> > > Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance sheet. =
=A0(The
> > > balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces the chances of wa=
rpage.
> > > If balance sheet is difficult to locate in your area, use laminate on=
the
> > > bottom side of the extensions)".
>
> > > So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. =A0Should I simply buy an =
interior
> > > 'door blank'?
>
> > > Help?
>
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ivan Vegvary
>
> > Balance sheet is unfinished compressed kraftpaper/resin (phenolic),
> > but it has a minute amount of porosity. It is basically laminate
> > without the shiny/colour/top layer. Regular laminate as a balance
> > sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong way.
>
> I always thought the idea was to add equal materials on both sides.
> Why would adding equal materials on both sides warp the sheet?
>
> R

IF they're equal, no prob.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 5:34 PM

On Jun 22, 8:24=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 6:15=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 3:36=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 22, 3:27=A0pm, "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Not an accounting question!!
>
> > > > Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making table=
saw
> > > > extensions. =A0It has you adding plastic laminate to 3/4" plywood a=
nd a
> > > > "balance sheet".
>
> > > > Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance sheet=
. =A0(The
> > > > balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces the chances of =
warpage.
> > > > If balance sheet is difficult to locate in your area, use laminate =
on the
> > > > bottom side of the extensions)".
>
> > > > So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. =A0Should I simply buy a=
n interior
> > > > 'door blank'?
>
> > > > Help?
>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ivan Vegvary
>
> > > Balance sheet is unfinished compressed kraftpaper/resin (phenolic),
> > > but it has a minute amount of porosity. It is basically laminate
> > > without the shiny/colour/top layer. Regular laminate as a balance
> > > sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong wa=
y.
>
> > I always thought the idea was to add equal materials on both sides.
> > Why would adding equal materials on both sides warp the sheet?
>
> > R
>
> IF they're equal, no prob.

Buy double the amount you need, sure. Economical, not so much.
Grabbing another 'left-over' from a different batch CAN create an
imbalance. BTDT. Proper balance sheet eliminates that and *is* spec on
many commercial applications.
'Balance sheet' is inexpensive, does the job, meets spec.
You can use Balance sheet opposite GP grade or post-form grade.
Try to put some GP on top and post-form laminate on the bottom and
watch what happens. Again, BTDT.
Also, when seaming, make sure the seams are aligned top to bottom.

Rc

Robatoy

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 7:19 PM

On Jun 22, 9:25=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> What are they made out of?


> How much Stickley furniture has laminate on it?

> How many antiques have laminate on them?

> How does "properly dried wood" not change dimensions with changes in
> humidity?

> How much wood siding and how many decks have laminate on them?

Trying to learn something?

Rr

RicodJour

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 3:15 PM

On Jun 22, 3:36=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 3:27=A0pm, "Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not an accounting question!!
>
> > Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making table saw
> > extensions. =A0It has you adding plastic laminate to 3/4" plywood and a
> > "balance sheet".
>
> > Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance sheet. =
=A0(The
> > balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces the chances of warp=
age.
> > If balance sheet is difficult to locate in your area, use laminate on t=
he
> > bottom side of the extensions)".
>
> > So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. =A0Should I simply buy an in=
terior
> > 'door blank'?
>
> > Help?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Ivan Vegvary
>
> Balance sheet is unfinished compressed kraftpaper/resin (phenolic),
> but it has a minute amount of porosity. It is basically laminate
> without the shiny/colour/top layer. Regular laminate as a balance
> sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong way.

I always thought the idea was to add equal materials on both sides.
Why would adding equal materials on both sides warp the sheet?

R

AD

Andy Dingley

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 3:35 AM

On 23 June, 07:14, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:

> > How many antiques have laminate on them?
>
> Ever hear of Marquetry?

Marquetry isn't a laminate.

Laminate's a problem because the stuff is strong in tension and any
change in strain (moisture etc) can cause a stress to be set up. If
it's a laminate with varying properties between layers, this
differential stress can lead to warping, as one layer pulls on the
other. For Formica it's usually because the timber moves, but the
surface decorative laminate doesn't.

Marquetry has no tensile strength. If there's movement, this will be
absorbed by the joints opening up before anything warps. There's even
some evidence that the early use of inlaid bandings in early large
veneered casework (tables, desks, bureau tops) was for just this
reason, not just for decorative purposes. It acts like an expansion
joint in a concrete road.

ww

whit3rd

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 12:24 PM

On Jun 22, 5:32=A0pm, "BobS" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
> the past and never got a real-world explanation.
>
> How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
> tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops -
> do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?

Those countertops don't have moisture exposure on top because of the
laminate, nor on the bottom which is 'inside' the cabinet, away from
airflow. They're also weak and multiply-supported underneath.

> Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
> warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.
>
> So is the real protection in using properly dried wood to begin with?

I suspect the rail/stile/panel construction of yesteryear works with
green panels, and if the joinery is good, holds the rails and stiles
straight even if THEY were green before assembly. The only
need for 'balance' sheets is on large sheet goods (plywood)
which is relatively recent as a furniture-grade product.

NN

"Nonny"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 2:05 PM


"Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not an accounting question!!
>
> Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making
> table saw extensions. It has you adding plastic laminate to
> 3/4" plywood and a "balance sheet".
>
> Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance
> sheet. (The balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces
> the chances of warpage. If balance sheet is difficult to locate
> in your area, use laminate on the bottom side of the
> extensions)".
>
> So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. Should I simply buy
> an interior 'door blank'?
>
> Help?
>
> Thanks,
> Ivan Vegvary
>
>

Ivan, you might check with a store that sells flooring tile. The
very tough paper is applied to a concrete slab, using mastic, and
then tiles are glued to it, rather than directly to the concrete.
This is called a "slip," and helps to reduce cracks in the
concrete inevitably showing through the tile above. The "slip"
I've seen is a pinkish or greenish color and quite inexpensive.

FWIW, I've had good luck just applying several coats of clear
finish to the reverse side of plywood to prevent warpage.

Nonny
--
On most days,
it's just not worth
the effort of chewing
through the restraints..

dn

dpb

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 5:23 PM

RicodJour wrote:
> On Jun 22, 3:36 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
...

>> ... Regular laminate as a balance
>> sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong way.
>
> I always thought the idea was to add equal materials on both sides.
> Why would adding equal materials on both sides warp the sheet?
>
> R

Against another piece of laminate I can't see how, either. Don't get
more balancer than balanced precisely and unless there's an
already-existing moisture differential thus entrained can't see how you
would ever set up anything else unless exterior forcing like heating one
side or something similar did it. Certainly the moisture differential
for which it is applied to prevent widely differing rates from opposite
sides can't be appreciably different afterwards.

--

Bn

"BobS"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 8:32 PM

Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
the past and never got a real-world explanation.

How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops -
do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?

I live in the area where Stickley furniture is made and if you look at
their table tops and dressers and drawers drawer's, the tops or
outsides are finished but the underside and drawers are not. If they
are, then it sure is a clear coating that mimics fresh milled wood.

Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.

So is the real protection in using properly dried wood to begin with? I
think so and a good moisture meter is worth it's weight in gold for
those projects that you want to be heirlooms.

On the other hand, using a "balance sheet" or other means to keep the
wood moisture content equalized for a long period of time makes sense.
Especially for those objects subject to extreme environmental changes,
like outdoor stuff - right? So why don't we coat the underside of our
wood decks or paint both sides of the wood siding use on homes and for
trim?

Just thought I'd ask........

Bob S.



"dpb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> RicodJour wrote:
>> On Jun 22, 3:36 pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> ...
>
>>> ... Regular laminate as a balance
>>> sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong
>>> way.
>>
>> I always thought the idea was to add equal materials on both sides.
>> Why would adding equal materials on both sides warp the sheet?
>>
>> R
>
> Against another piece of laminate I can't see how, either. Don't get
> more balancer than balanced precisely and unless there's an
> already-existing moisture differential thus entrained can't see how
> you would ever set up anything else unless exterior forcing like
> heating one side or something similar did it. Certainly the moisture
> differential for which it is applied to prevent widely differing
> rates from opposite sides can't be appreciably different afterwards.
>
> --

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 9:25 PM

On 6/22/2010 8:32 PM, BobS wrote:
> Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
> the past and never got a real-world explanation.
>
> How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
> tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops -
> do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?

What are they made out of?
>
> I live in the area where Stickley furniture is made and if you look at
> their table tops and dressers and drawers drawer's, the tops or
> outsides are finished but the underside and drawers are not. If they
> are, then it sure is a clear coating that mimics fresh milled wood.

How much Stickley furniture has laminate on it?

> Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
> warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.

How many antiques have laminate on them?

> So is the real protection in using properly dried wood to begin with? I
> think so and a good moisture meter is worth it's weight in gold for
> those projects that you want to be heirlooms.

How does "properly dried wood" not change dimensions with changes in
humidity?

> On the other hand, using a "balance sheet" or other means to keep the
> wood moisture content equalized for a long period of time makes sense.
> Especially for those objects subject to extreme environmental changes,
> like outdoor stuff - right? So why don't we coat the underside of our
> wood decks or paint both sides of the wood siding use on homes and for
> trim?

How much wood siding and how many decks have laminate on them?

> Just thought I'd ask........
>
> Bob S.
>
>
>
> "dpb"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> RicodJour wrote:
>>> On Jun 22, 3:36 pm, Robatoy<[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>> ... Regular laminate as a balance
>>>> sheet can be a bit 'too much' balance and warp the sheet the wrong
>>>> way.
>>>
>>> I always thought the idea was to add equal materials on both sides.
>>> Why would adding equal materials on both sides warp the sheet?
>>>
>>> R
>>
>> Against another piece of laminate I can't see how, either. Don't get
>> more balancer than balanced precisely and unless there's an
>> already-existing moisture differential thus entrained can't see how
>> you would ever set up anything else unless exterior forcing like
>> heating one side or something similar did it. Certainly the moisture
>> differential for which it is applied to prevent widely differing
>> rates from opposite sides can't be appreciably different afterwards.
>>
>> --
>
>

LD

"Lobby Dosser"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 11:14 PM

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/22/2010 8:32 PM, BobS wrote:
>> Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
>> the past and never got a real-world explanation.
>>
>> How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
>> tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops -
>> do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?
>
> What are they made out of?
>>
>> I live in the area where Stickley furniture is made and if you look at
>> their table tops and dressers and drawers drawer's, the tops or
>> outsides are finished but the underside and drawers are not. If they
>> are, then it sure is a clear coating that mimics fresh milled wood.
>
> How much Stickley furniture has laminate on it?
>
>> Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
>> warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.
>
> How many antiques have laminate on them?

Ever hear of Marquetry?

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 7:09 AM

On 6/23/2010 2:14 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 6/22/2010 8:32 PM, BobS wrote:
>>> Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
>>> the past and never got a real-world explanation.
>>>
>>> How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
>>> tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops -
>>> do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?
>>
>> What are they made out of?
>>>
>>> I live in the area where Stickley furniture is made and if you look at
>>> their table tops and dressers and drawers drawer's, the tops or
>>> outsides are finished but the underside and drawers are not. If they
>>> are, then it sure is a clear coating that mimics fresh milled wood.
>>
>> How much Stickley furniture has laminate on it?
>>
>>> Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
>>> warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.
>>
>> How many antiques have laminate on them?
>
> Ever hear of Marquetry?

So how much marquetry uses laminate (where, in this context, as anyone
with a tenth of a brain would have figured out, "laminate" means
"decorative laminated plastic", the plastic stuff that is sold for use
on kitchen counters and the like, and not strips of wood stuck together
with glue).

Do you have Asperger's Syndrome or something?

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 7:12 AM

On 6/23/2010 6:35 AM, Andy Dingley wrote:
> On 23 June, 07:14, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> How many antiques have laminate on them?
>>
>> Ever hear of Marquetry?
>
> Marquetry isn't a laminate.
>
> Laminate's a problem because the stuff is strong in tension and any
> change in strain (moisture etc) can cause a stress to be set up. If
> it's a laminate with varying properties between layers, this
> differential stress can lead to warping, as one layer pulls on the
> other. For Formica it's usually because the timber moves, but the
> surface decorative laminate doesn't.

I was under the impression that the issue was that the laminate was more
or less impervious to moisture, so a change in humidity caused the
unlaminated side to expand or contract while the moisture content of the
laminated side remained unchanged. Have I been misinformed?
>
> Marquetry has no tensile strength. If there's movement, this will be
> absorbed by the joints opening up before anything warps. There's even
> some evidence that the early use of inlaid bandings in early large
> veneered casework (tables, desks, bureau tops) was for just this
> reason, not just for decorative purposes. It acts like an expansion
> joint in a concrete road.

lL

[email protected] (Larry W)

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 9:26 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
BobS <[email protected]> wrote:
<...snipped...>
>Just thought I'd ask........
>
>Bob S.
>


You are a trouble maker. Keep your crazy questions to yourself.






:)


--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

LD

"Lobby Dosser"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 5:35 PM

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 6/23/2010 2:14 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 6/22/2010 8:32 PM, BobS wrote:
>>>> Gotta jump in on this one since I've asked the same type question in
>>>> the past and never got a real-world explanation.
>>>>
>>>> How does one explain why all the commercial made table tops, counter
>>>> tops for kitchens and baths and other major brand made furniture tops -
>>>> do not have a finish / laminate or balance sheet on the underside?
>>>
>>> What are they made out of?
>>>>
>>>> I live in the area where Stickley furniture is made and if you look at
>>>> their table tops and dressers and drawers drawer's, the tops or
>>>> outsides are finished but the underside and drawers are not. If they
>>>> are, then it sure is a clear coating that mimics fresh milled wood.
>>>
>>> How much Stickley furniture has laminate on it?
>>>
>>>> Also, look at antiques that are still going strong today that are not
>>>> warped or show other signs of disintegrating due to moisture.
>>>
>>> How many antiques have laminate on them?
>>
>> Ever hear of Marquetry?
>
> So how much marquetry uses laminate (where, in this context, as anyone
> with a tenth of a brain would have figured out, "laminate" means
> "decorative laminated plastic", the plastic stuff that is sold for use on
> kitchen counters and the like, and not strips of wood stuck together with
> glue).
>
> Do you have Asperger's Syndrome or something?
>

How much straw do you own?

LD

"Lobby Dosser"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

23/06/2010 5:37 PM

"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ba8d5ec0-5f59-4c39-8152-4344669d1433@r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On 23 June, 07:14, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> > How many antiques have laminate on them?
>>
>> Ever hear of Marquetry?
>
> Marquetry isn't a laminate.

See Robotoy's response. When I was taught veneering, I was taught to veneer
Both sides of the core.

>
> Laminate's a problem because the stuff is strong in tension and any
> change in strain (moisture etc) can cause a stress to be set up. If
> it's a laminate with varying properties between layers, this
> differential stress can lead to warping, as one layer pulls on the
> other. For Formica it's usually because the timber moves, but the
> surface decorative laminate doesn't.
>
> Marquetry has no tensile strength. If there's movement, this will be
> absorbed by the joints opening up before anything warps. There's even
> some evidence that the early use of inlaid bandings in early large
> veneered casework (tables, desks, bureau tops) was for just this
> reason, not just for decorative purposes. It acts like an expansion
> joint in a concrete road.

Bn

"BobS"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

25/06/2010 11:11 PM

Clarke,

Fuck off.

Bob S.

TW

"Tim W"

in reply to "Ivan Vegvary" on 22/06/2010 12:27 PM

22/06/2010 8:35 PM


"Ivan Vegvary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not an accounting question!!
>
> Wood magazine, August 1986, Issue No. 12 has plans for making table saw
> extensions. It has you adding plastic laminate to 3/4" plywood and a
> "balance sheet".
>
> Quote: "Trace the outline of both extensions onto the balance sheet. (The
> balance sheet stabilizes the extensions and reduces the chances of
> warpage. If balance sheet is difficult to locate in your area, use
> laminate on the bottom side of the extensions)".
>
> So, what in the h**l is a 'balance sheet'. Should I simply buy an
> interior 'door blank'?
>

Even with plywood it is good practice to do the same thing to both sides to
avoid cupping and warping, so if you glue laminate on the face you should
glue laminate on the reverse as well. That's a balance sheet. Brown laminate
without the outer decorative paper is sold specifically for balance sheet
and is sometimes therefore called --- ..... balance sheet!

Tim w


You’ve reached the end of replies