On Aug 17, 6:42=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 2:22=A0pm, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Thank the stars for Mute buttons. =A0When someone yells at me to try
> > and get me to buy a product - I - a) hit the Mute button, b) not the
> > sponsors name and NEVER buy anything from them - ever.
>
> Wasn't it Magnavox with John Cleese as spokesperson that advertised an
> _automatic_ commercial volume "brake"? =A0Their TVs would prevent the
> blaring of the commercial (obviously meant to catch your attention
> while you're in the kitchen or john trying to make good use of the
> commercial time). =A0I haven't seen that advertised in a while - is it
> still around? =A0Did the powers that be tell Magnavox to cut it out as
> it was cutting into their profits?
>
> R
First of all, Magnavox (Philips) only built a 'detection' of an
increase in dynamic range on the advertiser's signal. The total sound
pressure was capped at the same dB level regardless if it was a signal
from a show or an ad. However, the ad signal had a quieter/lower noise
floor than the compressed sound of the crap they used to record TV
shows.
The ads 'sounded' louder, but in fact weren't. Now, with today's sound
tracks, there is a lot of dynamic range in both commercials as well as
the tracks which go with the sitcoms etc. So that little trick from
Maganavox no longer works, unless you're watching DeJaVue 's reruns of
Andy in Mayberry RFD AM/FM.
Many commercials *are* preceded by a scrambled signal which triggers
some kinda shit they use in broadcasting nowadays. Or so I'm told.
On Aug 18, 10:34=A0am, "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mortimer Schnerd, =A0wrote
>
> > I think you're correct about Magnavox. =A0I've been using one of these
> > devices for years to do away with the puffed up volume of TV commercial=
s:
>
> >http://giftgadgetgateway.com/television-sound-regulator-eliminates-tv...
>
> To hear these guys tell it, they invented the process ... nothing but BS.
>
> Same device, called a compressor/limiter, used in broadcast/recording
> studios the world over for the last 50 years, to keep mic/line levels fro=
m
> distorting the input circuitry of various pieces of sound equipment, tape
> decks, etc, and to keep broadcast signals in their assigned frequency
> spectrums by limiting the peak volume to specified level.
>
> A compressor/limiter operates on the "dynamic range" (difference between =
the
> loudest and lowest passage) on a single sound, or on the entire
> mix/broadcast signal.
>
> Basically, by decreasing/limiting the dynamic range of a mix, or a single
> sound in the mix, you can increase the peak volume of that mix/sound to t=
he
> amount of compression applied, thereby making the compressed element(s)
> louder.
>
> Like most human endeavors, it has been abused to the point of ridiculousn=
ess
> to gain advantages over other recordings/products, thus you see it overus=
ed
> to make commercial relatively louder than what preceded them.
>
> Despicable practice ... in recorded music, it robs the listener/purchaser=
of
> one of the important elements that makes music a pleasurable experience, =
the
> dynamic range of the piece.
>
> --www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 5/14/08
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
=2E..and I still get a kick out of people trying to tell me that their
frequency response is flat down to 20 Hz...in their frickin' car!
On Aug 16, 9:47 am, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> We had a few chuckles at his expense a few threads ago.
> Now Fark.com has gotten into the act...
>
> http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3794478
Got a good chuckle out those.
You have to wonder though... do any of his sponsors ever stop to think
he just might be a LITTLE over exposed at this time?
I mean really, it was hard enough hearing him scream about OxyClean.
But now he hawks anything from that garden weasel thing to life
insurance.
Robert
Thank the stars for Mute buttons. When someone yells at me to try
and get me to buy a product - I - a) hit the Mute button, b) not the
sponsors name and NEVER buy anything from them - ever.
We've got a local car dealership that uses a Scream and Shout guy
- hollering about their One Day Only Special Deal - day after day after
day, week after week, month after month. What kind of credibility
do they think they have?
Now the cave man ads - I try not to miss them.
charlie b
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:28:00 -0700, "Rod & Betty Jo"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>David G. Nagel wrote:
>> I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
>> acknowledges the camera.
>>
>> Dave
>
>Sadly if you watch carefully (it was a slow night) when he pours coke on the
>carpet they cheat with the demo, spilled coke in front of the carpet
>magically disappears during the camera cutaways...when you can't trust your
>TV pitchmen you know the country has gone to hell<G>. Rod
>
I spotted that same thing. And at the end of the commercial he says
call within the next 20 min because we can't do this all day and get
double the order. This ads been running for weeks. When does the 20
min actually end? I was going to call in 22 min and see if I could
still get the doubled order but my wife took the phone away.
P
On Aug 16, 2:22=A0pm, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank the stars for Mute buttons. =A0When someone yells at me to try
> and get me to buy a product - I - a) hit the Mute button, b) not the
> sponsors name and NEVER buy anything from them - ever.
Wasn't it Magnavox with John Cleese as spokesperson that advertised an
_automatic_ commercial volume "brake"? Their TVs would prevent the
blaring of the commercial (obviously meant to catch your attention
while you're in the kitchen or john trying to make good use of the
commercial time). I haven't seen that advertised in a while - is it
still around? Did the powers that be tell Magnavox to cut it out as
it was cutting into their profits?
R
RicodJour wrote:
> On Aug 16, 2:22 pm, charlieb <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Thank the stars for Mute buttons. When someone yells at me to try
>> and get me to buy a product - I - a) hit the Mute button, b) not the
>> sponsors name and NEVER buy anything from them - ever.
>
> Wasn't it Magnavox with John Cleese as spokesperson that advertised an
> _automatic_ commercial volume "brake"? Their TVs would prevent the
> blaring of the commercial (obviously meant to catch your attention
> while you're in the kitchen or john trying to make good use of the
> commercial time). I haven't seen that advertised in a while - is it
> still around? Did the powers that be tell Magnavox to cut it out as
> it was cutting into their profits?
I think you're correct about Magnavox. I've been using one of these devices for
years to do away with the puffed up volume of TV commercials:
http://giftgadgetgateway.com/television-sound-regulator-eliminates-tv-volume-fluctuations/
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com
"Mortimer Schnerd, wrote
> I think you're correct about Magnavox. I've been using one of these
> devices for years to do away with the puffed up volume of TV commercials:
>
> http://giftgadgetgateway.com/television-sound-regulator-eliminates-tv-volume-fluctuations/
To hear these guys tell it, they invented the process ... nothing but BS.
Same device, called a compressor/limiter, used in broadcast/recording
studios the world over for the last 50 years, to keep mic/line levels from
distorting the input circuitry of various pieces of sound equipment, tape
decks, etc, and to keep broadcast signals in their assigned frequency
spectrums by limiting the peak volume to specified level.
A compressor/limiter operates on the "dynamic range" (difference between the
loudest and lowest passage) on a single sound, or on the entire
mix/broadcast signal.
Basically, by decreasing/limiting the dynamic range of a mix, or a single
sound in the mix, you can increase the peak volume of that mix/sound to the
amount of compression applied, thereby making the compressed element(s)
louder.
Like most human endeavors, it has been abused to the point of ridiculousness
to gain advantages over other recordings/products, thus you see it overused
to make commercial relatively louder than what preceded them.
Despicable practice ... in recorded music, it robs the listener/purchaser of
one of the important elements that makes music a pleasurable experience, the
dynamic range of the piece.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
David G. Nagel wrote:
> Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
>> David G. Nagel wrote:
>>> I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
>>> acknowledges the camera.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> Sadly if you watch carefully (it was a slow night) when he pours coke on
>> the carpet they cheat with the demo, spilled coke in front of the carpet
>> magically disappears during the camera cutaways...when you can't trust
>> your
>> TV pitchmen you know the country has gone to hell<G>. Rod
>>
>>
>
> I never said that I trusted him, just that I liked him. I did notice the
> camera shift after the specifically instructed the camera guy to stay
> focused on the carpet.
>
> What gets me is the insistence of these people (whomever they may be)
> that just because it (whatever it happens to be) is made in Europe it's
> superior to anything else.
>
Why shouldn't that work? One of our political parties is heavily invested
in that belief.
--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
"charlieb" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Thank the stars for Mute buttons. When someone yells at me to try
> and get me to buy a product - I - a) hit the Mute button, b) not the
> sponsors name and NEVER buy anything from them - ever.
>
> We've got a local car dealership that uses a Scream and Shout guy
> - hollering about their One Day Only Special Deal - day after day after
> day, week after week, month after month. What kind of credibility
> do they think they have?
The yelling and screaming seems to attract the "num nuts" crowd. One of
the largest if not the largest volume Chevy dealers in the world is in
southwest Houston, it works for them. They attract people that qualify for
7 year 12% notes to the tune of between 600-800 vehicles per month.
Tom Watson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We had a few chuckles at his expense a few threads ago.
>> Now Fark.com has gotten into the act...
>>
>> http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3794478
>
>
> He's the guy I least on TV since Joe Pine, the one armed marine, was
> on television.
>
> Actually, I think that O'Righty is the direct descendant of Joe Pine.
>
> Billy Mays Here is the direct descendant of Ron Popeil, without the
> subtlety.
>
>
>
> Regards, Tom.
>
> Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
> http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
> tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
acknowledges the camera.
Dave
David G. Nagel wrote:
> I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
> acknowledges the camera.
>
> Dave
Sadly if you watch carefully (it was a slow night) when he pours coke on the
carpet they cheat with the demo, spilled coke in front of the carpet
magically disappears during the camera cutaways...when you can't trust your
TV pitchmen you know the country has gone to hell<G>. Rod
<<I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
acknowledges the camera.>>
Yeah, unlike Billy Mays, that guy is watchable. But his sales pitch goes
out the window when he says, "You're gonna spend $20 a month on paper towels
anyway ..."
Raise you hand if you shell out 240 bucks a year on paper towels.
Lee
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charlieb <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Now the cave man ads - I try not to miss them.
>
> charlie b
>
Those share the hell out of my 1 year old grandson. Funniest
damn thing... he runs as fast as he can to mama when they come
on.
Larry
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:47:39 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>We had a few chuckles at his expense a few threads ago.
>Now Fark.com has gotten into the act...
>
>http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=3794478
He's the guy I least on TV since Joe Pine, the one armed marine, was
on television.
Actually, I think that O'Righty is the direct descendant of Joe Pine.
Billy Mays Here is the direct descendant of Ron Popeil, without the
subtlety.
Regards, Tom.
Thos. J. Watson - Cabinetmaker
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1/
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet
Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
> David G. Nagel wrote:
>> I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
>> acknowledges the camera.
>>
>> Dave
>
> Sadly if you watch carefully (it was a slow night) when he pours coke on the
> carpet they cheat with the demo, spilled coke in front of the carpet
> magically disappears during the camera cutaways...when you can't trust your
> TV pitchmen you know the country has gone to hell<G>. Rod
>
>
I never said that I trusted him, just that I liked him. I did notice the
camera shift after the specifically instructed the camera guy to stay
focused on the carpet.
What gets me is the insistence of these people (whomever they may be)
that just because it (whatever it happens to be) is made in Europe it's
superior to anything else.
Dave
"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "charlieb" wrote
>
>> We've got a local car dealership that uses a Scream and Shout guy
>> - hollering about their One Day Only Special Deal - day after day after
>> day, week after week, month after month. What kind of credibility
>> do they think they have?
>
>
> What gets me about the local auto dealership commercials is the large
> number
> of fast walking people in the background ... where the hell are they ALL
> going in such a hurry, in such a small space?
>
> Cheap psychological tricks are irksome ...
I think they took too long to film for the amount of time they wanted to
buy. 40 second clip squeezed into a 30 second slot. I have a DVD recorder
that will play back slightly faster with out hindering the sound too much.
IIRC you can shave 10% or so of viewing time in that mode.
"charlieb" wrote
> We've got a local car dealership that uses a Scream and Shout guy
> - hollering about their One Day Only Special Deal - day after day after
> day, week after week, month after month. What kind of credibility
> do they think they have?
What gets me about the local auto dealership commercials is the large number
of fast walking people in the background ... where the hell are they ALL
going in such a hurry, in such a small space?
Cheap psychological tricks are irksome ...
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:14:18 -0500, "David G. Nagel"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Rod & Betty Jo wrote:
>> David G. Nagel wrote:
>>> I like the new guy who is hawking the super adsorbent towel. He even
>>> acknowledges the camera.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>> Sadly if you watch carefully (it was a slow night) when he pours coke on the
>> carpet they cheat with the demo, spilled coke in front of the carpet
>> magically disappears during the camera cutaways...when you can't trust your
>> TV pitchmen you know the country has gone to hell<G>. Rod
>>
>>
>
>I never said that I trusted him, just that I liked him. I did notice the
> camera shift after the specifically instructed the camera guy to stay
>focused on the carpet.
>
>What gets me is the insistence of these people (whomever they may be)
>that just because it (whatever it happens to be) is made in Europe it's
>superior to anything else.
Slim Whitman comes to mind...
--
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Swingman wrote:
>> Like most human endeavors, it has been abused to the point of ridiculousness
> to gain advantages over other recordings/products, thus you see it overused
> to make commercial relatively louder than what preceded them.
>
> Despicable practice ... in recorded music, it robs the listener/purchaser of
> one of the important elements that makes music a pleasurable experience, the
> dynamic range of the piece.
As little as the producers of the noisy commercials may like it, they'd have
liked my earlier solution even less: I muted the blaring instantly. Didn't
listen to more than the first word or two. I believe in removing noxious
stimuli.
--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com