I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no combination
machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some, it
would probably be worthwhile.
Thanks.
Toller wrote:
> I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
> never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
...
Not that it's any of my business, but I'm curious as to why one would
find such a sudden need for what are, particularly unless talking of
the _quite_ expensive versions, inevitably compromise machines.
charlie b wrote:
> dpb wrote:
> >
> > Not that it's any of my business, but I'm curious as to why one would
> > find such a sudden need for what are, particularly unless talking of
> > the _quite_ expensive versions, inevitably compromise machines.
>
....
> are different 1000 to 1300 pound multiple 3, 4 and 5 hp TEFC
> motored wood eaters that go for mid 6K to 20K. ...
You just made the point I asked about---altho from what I had seen I
hadn't observed much near the lower end of that range.
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:45 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
>>never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>>
>>Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no
>>combination
>>machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>>
>>Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some,
>>it
>>would probably be worthwhile.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
> You just missed the biggest in the U.S.A., IWF in Atlanta. It was
> last month. However, if you have enough travel budget, Cologne,
> Germany is next month :~)
Cologne doesn't seem likely, but maybe the IWF next year. Is it always in
Atlanta?
Where are you located?
There are Yahoo Groups for Robland, MiniMax and Felder. Might
find someone in each group who lives in your area. Owners are
often quite willing to play show and tell with anyone interested
in a combi. You'll need to join the groups to post but it's pretty
loose as to the info required.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RoblandX-31/
charile b
dpb wrote:
>
> Not that it's any of my business, but I'm curious as to why one would
> find such a sudden need for what are, particularly unless talking of
> the _quite_ expensive versions, inevitably compromise machines.
I'm betting that just about every stationary tool, be it a combi
or stand alone/dedicated machine, is a compromise in order to
have multi-functions. A drill press with a fence and stops is
not going to do as good a job as quickly as a single purpose
dedicated to one thing line boring machine. A cabinet saw is
great for ripping but less than perfect for cross cutting. Add
a sliding table and it makes working with sheet goods easier,
but not as good as a good panels saw. A bench top planer, even
the Dewalt 735(?) isn't going to be able to thickness things\
as quickly and efficiently as a big 20" beefy dedicated industrial
strength unit that can take off 1/4" in a pass.
Perhaps your thinking of a ShopSmith type combi - one motor
and lots of attachments/configurations. The combis today
are different 1000 to 1300 pound multiple 3, 4 and 5 hp TEFC
motored wood eaters that go for mid 6K to 20K. But when
you consider that you're buying 5 functions - table saw,
shaper, 12" joiner, 12" planer and horizontal boring/slot
mortiser with XYZ table it comes to about $1300 per function
for the mid $6K units.
And, with a mobility kit so you can turn it or move it, along\
with a relatively small footprint, these things are nice for
folks with limited shop space - which is why they come from
europe.
Here's the start of a multi-page process for building a four
panel door on a Robland X31. Click "continue" at the bottom
of each page to get to the next page.
http://www.geocities.com/PicketFence/5276/shop/page16.html
When you're done let us know where the compromises are.
charlie b
> > dpb wrote:
> > >
> > > Not that it's any of my business, but I'm curious as to why one would
> > > find such a sudden need for what are, particularly unless talking of
> > > the _quite_ expensive versions, inevitably compromise machines.
> >
> charlie b wrote:
> ....
> > are different 1000 to 1300 pound multiple 3, 4 and 5 hp TEFC
> > motored wood eaters that go for mid 6K to 20K. ...
dpb wrote:
>
> You just made the point I asked about---altho from what I had seen I
> hadn't observed much near the lower end of that range.
Could you clarify how I made your point that combis are "enevitably
compromise machines"?
The semi-fully loaded Felder, the top of the line in combis is in
the $20K price range. MiniMax, Robland and Rojek combis, loaded
are in the $6-$7K range. A 3 or 4 hp cabinet saw, without
sliding table is in the $2K range, a 3 or4 hp 1 1/4" bore shaper
is in the $1 - $1.5K range, a 3 or 4 hp 3 knife planer 12" planer
will run you $1K or a bit more and a 3 or 4 hp joiner - there aren't
any an amateur can find, let alone afford. A stationary horizontal
boring/mortising machine with an XYZ table. Add up the price
of equivalent stationary tools and the combis come in for a little
less. But a combi requires only ONE 220V outlet and only ONE
power cord to deal with.
So what compromises do you feel combis make relative to
stand alone, separate equivalent machines?
charlie b
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:57:01 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:45 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
>>>never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>>>
>>>Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no
>>>combination
>>>machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>>>
>>>Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some,
>>>it
>>>would probably be worthwhile.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>> You just missed the biggest in the U.S.A., IWF in Atlanta. It was
>> last month. However, if you have enough travel budget, Cologne,
>> Germany is next month :~)
>
>Cologne doesn't seem likely, but maybe the IWF next year. Is it always in
>Atlanta?
>
It is held every other year. The off year show is an AWFS sponsored
show that is currently held in Las Vegas after many years in Anaheim,
CA
Frank
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:QBDSg.1662$0Y2.1430@trndny09...
> Toller wrote:
>> I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I
>> have never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near
>> me.
>>
>> Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no
>> combination machines there (in fact, not much of anything else
>> either...).
>>
>> Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some,
>> it would probably be worthwhile.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> If you're talking about the show at the Hamburg, NY fairgrounds I'll be
> there Saturday. Hopefully the vendors will show up this time.
>
> --
Yes, I was. It wasn't too good last year?
"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:57:01 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:45 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I
>>>>have
>>>>never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no
>>>>combination
>>>>machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>>>>
>>>>Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel
>>>>some,
>>>>it
>>>>would probably be worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>> You just missed the biggest in the U.S.A., IWF in Atlanta. It was
>>> last month. However, if you have enough travel budget, Cologne,
>>> Germany is next month :~)
>>
>>Cologne doesn't seem likely, but maybe the IWF next year. Is it always in
>>Atlanta?
>>
> It is held every other year. The off year show is an AWFS sponsored
> show that is currently held in Las Vegas after many years in Anaheim,
> CA
>
Is it likely that everyone interesting will be there? It is only 9 months
away and my climbing partner wants to try out Red Rocks which is right
there. Thanks.
Toller wrote:
> I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
> never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>
> Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no combination
> machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>
> Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some, it
> would probably be worthwhile.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
If you're talking about the show at the Hamburg, NY fairgrounds I'll be
there Saturday. Hopefully the vendors will show up this time.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
"charlie b" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Where are you located?
>
> There are Yahoo Groups for Robland, MiniMax and Felder. Might
> find someone in each group who lives in your area. Owners are
> often quite willing to play show and tell with anyone interested
> in a combi. You'll need to join the groups to post but it's pretty
> loose as to the info required.
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RoblandX-31/
>
Thank you again!
Rojek says the nearest owner is 400 miles away (from Rochester NY) I
haven't gotten that far with the other vendors.
"Toller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
>never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>
> Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no
> combination machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>
> Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some,
> it would probably be worthwhile.
>
> Thanks.
>
I have seen them at the common ww shows but never being demonstrated. You
can however send for a DVD from Laguna and also MiniMax IIRC.
The Laguna DVD is quit thorough and impressive. You might want to watch it
over and over.
"henry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> Have you asked the manufactures where to see there product. Only a mind
> reader would know what in your area means.
>
I asked about good shows, not shows in my area.
You don't have to be a mindreader, just a reader.
Toller wrote:
> "Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>If you're talking about the show at the Hamburg, NY fairgrounds I'll be
>>there Saturday. Hopefully the vendors will show up this time.
>>
>>--
>
> Yes, I was. It wasn't too good last year?
>
>
They didn't have one in Buffalo last year. The year before that the
major tool vendors protested that the show wasn't advertised properly
and refused to attend. The tool vendors held their own show the same
days as "The Woodworking Show" at one of the local retailer's store.
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
[email protected]
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:29:19 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:57:01 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Frank Boettcher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:45 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I
>>>>>have
>>>>>never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no
>>>>>combination
>>>>>machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>>>>>
>>>>>Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel
>>>>>some,
>>>>>it
>>>>>would probably be worthwhile.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>> You just missed the biggest in the U.S.A., IWF in Atlanta. It was
>>>> last month. However, if you have enough travel budget, Cologne,
>>>> Germany is next month :~)
>>>
>>>Cologne doesn't seem likely, but maybe the IWF next year. Is it always in
>>>Atlanta?
>>>
>> It is held every other year. The off year show is an AWFS sponsored
>> show that is currently held in Las Vegas after many years in Anaheim,
>> CA
>>
>Is it likely that everyone interesting will be there? It is only 9 months
>away and my climbing partner wants to try out Red Rocks which is right
>there. Thanks.
Most likely. It will be the largest and most comprehensive show of
the year. Most who exhibit in Atlanta will also go to Las Vegas in
the alternating year. If you have a particular group of machine
manufacturers you want to review, they will probably let you know if
they plan to exhibit. And the show will have an exhibitors list
months before the show. Often, if you plan to buy, the show prices
will be the lowest you will see for the year.
I plan to go next year. I made the last Anaheim show but missed the
Las Vegas show last time. I made Atlanta a month ago, but only had
one day and that is marginal to see the Atlanta show. When I was
working, I went as an exhibitor, but now just go because of my
personal woodworking interest and to see old friends.
Frank
>
On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:45 GMT, "Toller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I suddenly find myself in the market for a combination machine, but I have
>never seen one and the distrubutors don't even have any sold near me.
>
>Maybe a Woodworking Show. There is one next week nearby, but no combination
>machines there (in fact, not much of anything else either...).
>
>Are there any shows that everyone goes to? Even if I had to travel some, it
>would probably be worthwhile.
>
>Thanks.
>
You just missed the biggest in the U.S.A., IWF in Atlanta. It was
last month. However, if you have enough travel budget, Cologne,
Germany is next month :~)