On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Sonny
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>And no reverse (>drainage) on the drill, either!
And no intermediate giddyup/whoastops, either.
They're click-on, click-off, period.
---
A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
because the experience of reading is not passive.
--Erica Jong
On Apr 17, 6:10=A0pm, Keith Nuttle <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/17/2010 5:41 PM, RP wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 12:30 pm, "Max"<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>
> >> Max
>
> > I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems to
> > me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
> > systems" even when the collet was tight. =A0I hope it's not worth much
> > as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
>
> > Russ P
>
> This is interesting as I am still using the Craftsman 10" table saw and
> Craftsman Router that my father-in-law bought in 1969. =A0In fact I put
> both through their paces today making stretchers and frames for my wife.
> ( She paints on canvas with acrylic paints.) =A0Table saw to cut the
> miters and doing some of the milling, and the router in a table to make
> the frames look nice with various bits.
Aww shoot Keith, don't get me wrong I've got plenty-o-craftsman tools
and some dandies too. I especially like my wrenches. I also have a 2
1/2" 16 gauge nailer I can't kill. Although pretty, that particular
model router in the picture spit out it's bits. I had another one a
feller gave me did the same thing too. They might of been overused by
the time I got my grubby paws on 'em though.
Friend of mine only buys the 3 1/4 horse craftsman routers for his
line of work.
RP
On Apr 17, 12:30=A0pm, "Max" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>
> Max
I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems to
me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
systems" even when the collet was tight. I hope it's not worth much
as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
Russ P
"Theodore Edward Stosterone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"
>>http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>
> What are those black cord-like things coming out of the bottom?
Drain lines.
Max
"Keith Nuttle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/17/2010 5:41 PM, RP wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 12:30 pm, "Max"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>> I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems to
>> me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
>> systems" even when the collet was tight. I hope it's not worth much
>> as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
>>
>> Russ P
>
>
> This is interesting as I am still using the Craftsman 10" table saw and
> Craftsman Router that my father-in-law bought in 1969. In fact I put both
> through their paces today making stretchers and frames for my wife. ( She
> paints on canvas with acrylic paints.) Table saw to cut the miters and
> doing some of the milling, and the router in a table to make the frames
> look nice with various bits.
>
1969 is when I bought my first table saw, a Craftsman 10". IIRC, it was
$99.00 (without a stand)
I had been using a circular saw that I mounted under a 4'x4' piece of
plywood. I used a piece of 3/4 ply as a fence.
Ya do what ya gotta do.
Max
[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*trim: list of cordless drill shortcomings*
> Depends on what? It's only better if you NEED it. I've found there is
> very little where "I" need a cordless drill enough to make it's
> shortcomings acceptable. All those concerns listed by the poster
> above.
>
> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
I said the same thing... until I got my Makita. The corded drill still
has its place, but it's usally in the drawer. The impact driver weighs
less than the corded drill and drives screws better..
I tried a friend's Panasonic a few weeks ago, and understand why guys
like it. It would sometimes purr like a Tribble.
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
<[email protected]> wrote
> Depends on what? It's only better if you NEED it. I've found there is
> very little where "I" need a cordless drill enough to make it's
> shortcomings acceptable. All those concerns listed by the poster
> above.
>
> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
A cord is always a drawback to me. Not serious but.............
I have a bad habit of tripping over cords.
That plus my cords are alive and inevitably tangle themselves.
I like my cordless drills.
I have more than I need but not as many as I want.
Max
"Max" wrote:
> A cord is always a drawback to me. Not serious but.............
> I have a bad habit of tripping over cords. That plus my cords are
> alive and inevitably tangle themselves.
> I like my cordless drills.
> I have more than I need but not as many as I want.
----------------------------------------
If you want an argument, you will have to change the subject.
Lew
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/17/2010 9:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
>> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
>
> I probably haven't been spending enough time browsing catalogs - but does
> anyone have suggestions for corded drills with clutches?
>
That would be a very limited selection. I have looked a number of times and
could only find a single model that was much more than I wanted to pay. I
bought an independent clutch that I chucked into my corded drill and used
that for many years. It was something I picked up at a lumber yard. But my
makita cordless is much better. So I tossed it.
"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/17/2010 9:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
>> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
>
> I probably haven't been spending enough time browsing catalogs - but does
> anyone have suggestions for corded drills with clutches?
>
> --
> Morris Dovey
> DeSoto Solar
> DeSoto, Iowa USA
> http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Not, strictly speaking, a *drill* but a very useful screwdriver, the
Milwaukee 6580-20 is great.
I have one.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6583-1.html
But with my acquisition of the Makita 18V Li-ion cordless, I hardly ever
use it.
Max
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:14:27 -0600, the infamous "Max"
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>>"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/17/2010 9:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
>>>> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
>>>
>>> I probably haven't been spending enough time browsing catalogs - but
>>> does
>>> anyone have suggestions for corded drills with clutches?
>
> Corded drills have clutches now? L, I B.
>
>
>>Not, strictly speaking, a *drill* but a very useful screwdriver, the
>>Milwaukee 6580-20 is great.
>>I have one.
>>http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6583-1.html
>>But with my acquisition of the Makita 18V Li-ion cordless, I hardly ever
>>use it.
>
> 141 or 142, Max? I'm looking at the 141 for the brute force lifetime
> of its 3AH batts.
>
> ---
> A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
> because the experience of reading is not passive.
> --Erica Jong
18V:
1 - BDF452 (1.5AH)
1 - BHP451 (3AH)
1 - BTP 140 (3AH)
Max
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote
> "Max", in his inimitable style, offered:
>> 18V:
>>1 - BDF452 (1.5AH)
>>1 - BHP451 (3AH)
>> 1 - BTP 140 (3AH)
>
> OH, a wise guy, eh? <woop woop woop woop> Muchos Makitas, senior.
>
> Do you find that you run out of battery a lot with the 452?
Um.....well, the 3AH does tend to spoil me. But if I'm into a fairly big
job, I keep the charger handy. {:-)
(I have spare batteries for them)
Max
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:20:36 -0400, "Bill" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Theodore Edward Stosterone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> >Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"
>>>http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>>
>> What are those black cord-like things coming out of the bottom?
>
>It may sound strange to some, but I've decided I can live with a few of
>them--no concern about
>whether the battery is charged and how much so, no concern about how much
>the next battery
>is going to cost or whether it will still be available when I need it, more
>power, lower cost.
>I have a wireless drill as well (a little on the wimpy side). Whether
>wireless is better "just depends".
>
>Bill
>
Depends on what? It's only better if you NEED it. I've found there is
very little where "I" need a cordless drill enough to make it's
shortcomings acceptable. All those concerns listed by the poster
above.
Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
On 18 Apr 2010 02:57:38 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>*trim: list of cordless drill shortcomings*
>
>> Depends on what? It's only better if you NEED it. I've found there is
>> very little where "I" need a cordless drill enough to make it's
>> shortcomings acceptable. All those concerns listed by the poster
>> above.
>>
>> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
>> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
>
>I said the same thing... until I got my Makita. The corded drill still
>has its place, but it's usally in the drawer. The impact driver weighs
>less than the corded drill and drives screws better..
>
>I tried a friend's Panasonic a few weeks ago, and understand why guys
>like it. It would sometimes purr like a Tribble.
>
>Puckdropper
I've got/had Makita, Ryobi, and Craftsman. The Craftsman was the best
over-all. But my corded drill is the same weight as the heaviest of
the 3 and will throw me off the ladder if it gets jammed where none
of the battery units is in any danger of affecting my balance or my
wrist.
Just bought a new 1'2" Makita - corded.
On Apr 20, 6:52=A0pm, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/20/2010 5:50 PM, RP wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 17, 6:10 pm, Keith Nuttle<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 4/17/2010 5:41 PM, RP wrote:
>
> >>> On Apr 17, 12:30 pm, "Max"<[email protected]> =A0 =A0wrote:
> >>>> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>
> >>>> Max
>
> >>> I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems t=
o
> >>> me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
> >>> systems" even when the collet was tight. =A0I hope it's not worth muc=
h
> >>> as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
>
> >>> Russ P
>
> >> This is interesting as I am still using the Craftsman 10" table saw an=
d
> >> Craftsman Router that my father-in-law bought in 1969. =A0In fact I pu=
t
> >> both through their paces today making stretchers and frames for my wif=
e.
> >> ( She paints on canvas with acrylic paints.) =A0Table saw to cut the
> >> miters and doing some of the milling, and the router in a table to mak=
e
> >> the frames look nice with various bits.
>
> > Aww shoot Keith, don't get me wrong I've got plenty-o-craftsman tools
> > and some dandies too. I especially like my wrenches. I also have a 2
> > 1/2" 16 gauge nailer I can't kill. Although pretty, that particular
> > model router in the picture spit out it's bits. I had another one a
> > feller gave me did the same thing too. They might of been overused by
> > the time I got my grubby paws on 'em though.
>
> My brand new Porter-Cable also spit out its bits until I cleaned the
> collet. =A0Go down to a gunshop and get a pistol rod and .25 and .50
> caliber brushes and jags (make sure they fit the rod), and some patches,
> and give them a good scrub with lacquer thinner. =A0If that doesn't help
> then get new collets--they're not horribly expensive.
>
>
Too late for that, she hit the dumpster a coupla' years ago. Good tip
though. I also use a little slice of scotchbrite with mineral spirits
every once in awhile to clean things up. Especially the PC 7518 in the
router table. Its gets used a lot.
RP
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:36:19 -0600, the infamous "Max"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:14:27 -0600, the infamous "Max"
>> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>>But with my acquisition of the Makita 18V Li-ion cordless, I hardly ever
>>>use it.
>>
>> 141 or 142, Max? I'm looking at the 141 for the brute force lifetime
>> of its 3AH batts.
>
> 18V:
>1 - BDF452 (1.5AH)
>1 - BHP451 (3AH)
> 1 - BTP 140 (3AH)
OH, a wise guy, eh? <woop woop woop woop> Muchos Makitas, senior.
Do you find that you run out of battery a lot with the 452?
---
A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
because the experience of reading is not passive.
--Erica Jong
On Sun, 18 Apr 2010 08:14:27 -0600, the infamous "Max"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>"Morris Dovey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/17/2010 9:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
>>> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
>>
>> I probably haven't been spending enough time browsing catalogs - but does
>> anyone have suggestions for corded drills with clutches?
Corded drills have clutches now? L, I B.
>Not, strictly speaking, a *drill* but a very useful screwdriver, the
>Milwaukee 6580-20 is great.
>I have one.
>http://www.mytoolstore.com/milwauke/6583-1.html
>But with my acquisition of the Makita 18V Li-ion cordless, I hardly ever
>use it.
141 or 142, Max? I'm looking at the 141 for the brute force lifetime
of its 3AH batts.
---
A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
because the experience of reading is not passive.
--Erica Jong
"Theodore Edward Stosterone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"
>>http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>
> What are those black cord-like things coming out of the bottom?
It may sound strange to some, but I've decided I can live with a few of
them--no concern about
whether the battery is charged and how much so, no concern about how much
the next battery
is going to cost or whether it will still be available when I need it, more
power, lower cost.
I have a wireless drill as well (a little on the wimpy side). Whether
wireless is better "just depends".
Bill
On 4/17/2010 5:41 PM, RP wrote:
> On Apr 17, 12:30 pm, "Max"<[email protected]> wrote:
>> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>>
>> Max
>
> I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems to
> me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
> systems" even when the collet was tight. I hope it's not worth much
> as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
>
> Russ P
This is interesting as I am still using the Craftsman 10" table saw and
Craftsman Router that my father-in-law bought in 1969. In fact I put
both through their paces today making stretchers and frames for my wife.
( She paints on canvas with acrylic paints.) Table saw to cut the
miters and doing some of the milling, and the router in a table to make
the frames look nice with various bits.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 16:20:36 -0400, "Bill" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Theodore Edward Stosterone" <[email protected]> wrote in
>>message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> >Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>>>
>>> What are those black cord-like things coming out of the bottom?
>>
>>It may sound strange to some, but I've decided I can live with a few of
>>them--no concern about
>>whether the battery is charged and how much so, no concern about how much
>>the next battery
>>is going to cost or whether it will still be available when I need it,
>>more
>>power, lower cost.
>>I have a wireless drill as well (a little on the wimpy side). Whether
>>wireless is better "just depends".
>>
>>Bill
>>
> Depends on what? It's only better if you NEED it. I've found there is
> very little where "I" need a cordless drill enough to make it's
> shortcomings acceptable. All those concerns listed by the poster
> above.
>
> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
Funny, one gets a different impression at the "marketplace", huh.
It took me a while to unlearn that I had to have cordless stuff.
Bill
On 4/17/2010 9:02 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Anywhere a cord is not a serious drawback, a corded tool beats a
> cordless hands down - weight/power/performance/cost.
I probably haven't been spending enough time browsing catalogs - but
does anyone have suggestions for corded drills with clutches?
--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/
Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:36:37 -0700 (PDT), the infamous Sonny
> <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> And no reverse (>drainage) on the drill, either!
>
> And no intermediate giddyup/whoastops, either.
> They're click-on, click-off, period.
...
'til one reaches end of the rope and then they're off, period. :)
--
On 4/20/2010 5:50 PM, RP wrote:
> On Apr 17, 6:10 pm, Keith Nuttle<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/17/2010 5:41 PM, RP wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 17, 12:30 pm, "Max"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>>
>>>> Max
>>
>>> I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems to
>>> me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
>>> systems" even when the collet was tight. I hope it's not worth much
>>> as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
>>
>>> Russ P
>>
>> This is interesting as I am still using the Craftsman 10" table saw and
>> Craftsman Router that my father-in-law bought in 1969. In fact I put
>> both through their paces today making stretchers and frames for my wife.
>> ( She paints on canvas with acrylic paints.) Table saw to cut the
>> miters and doing some of the milling, and the router in a table to make
>> the frames look nice with various bits.
>
> Aww shoot Keith, don't get me wrong I've got plenty-o-craftsman tools
> and some dandies too. I especially like my wrenches. I also have a 2
> 1/2" 16 gauge nailer I can't kill. Although pretty, that particular
> model router in the picture spit out it's bits. I had another one a
> feller gave me did the same thing too. They might of been overused by
> the time I got my grubby paws on 'em though.
My brand new Porter-Cable also spit out its bits until I cleaned the
collet. Go down to a gunshop and get a pistol rod and .25 and .50
caliber brushes and jags (make sure they fit the rod), and some patches,
and give them a good scrub with lacquer thinner. If that doesn't help
then get new collets--they're not horribly expensive.
> Friend of mine only buys the 3 1/4 horse craftsman routers for his
> line of work.
>
> RP
On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:10:29 -0400, the infamous Keith Nuttle
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On 4/17/2010 5:41 PM, RP wrote:
>> On Apr 17, 12:30 pm, "Max"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>> I had one of those routers when I first got into woodworking. Seems to
>> me it had one of those collets that had the "automatic bit disengage
>> systems" even when the collet was tight. I hope it's not worth much
>> as a collectors item cause I'm sure it got flung in the dumpster.
>>
>> Russ P
>
>
>This is interesting as I am still using the Craftsman 10" table saw and
>Craftsman Router that my father-in-law bought in 1969. In fact I put
I'm still using my dad's old Craftsman circular saw, too. Some day, if
and when it dies, I'll buy a small, lightweight equivalent with better
sawdust control. That old thing blows sawdust up my sleeves, into my
eyes, down the back of my neck, into my shoes, into my ears, and up
my, um, skirt every time I use it.
>both through their paces today making stretchers and frames for my wife.
>( She paints on canvas with acrylic paints.) Table saw to cut the
>miters and doing some of the milling, and the router in a table to make
>the frames look nice with various bits.
Bueno.
---
A book burrows into your life in a very profound way
because the experience of reading is not passive.
--Erica Jong
"Theodore Edward Stosterone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Here's a couple of vintage "early 60s"
>>http://tinyurl.com/y2s4su2
>
> What are those black cord-like things coming out of the bottom?
That's what they used to deliver electricity through the metal case to the
user.