i do not recalll ever watching an entire episode when it aired
but recently i watched one and i had forgottent that he never gave the
details and was pushing selling the plans
it was funny to watch it as he skips over a lot of details
but i did see that he used a spindle into the drill press as a spindle
sander
i ordered a cheap set and i wonder if anyone here uses one of these
on their drill press
does it work well
i will mostly use it for small stuff
the one i ordered does not oscillate but i know they make those
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:04:32 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:09:35 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's a great idea, if you don't like your drill press. Side force is
>> hell on the bearings.
>
>for light sanding it will be fine
>
>i like putting my tools to work so i think side force is not a big factor
>with light sanding
>
Anytime you put sideways pressure on the spindle you can cause it to
drift off center. Sanding at the end away for the chuck will put
amplified pressure on where the chuck meets the tapered shaft.
It depends on the quality of the drill press as to how much you'll
have to pay for the dance.
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:46:08 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 13:27:07 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:59:14 -0800, Electric Comet
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:29:35 -0500
>>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's clear that you're incapable of learning from others because you
>>>> can't even read.
>>>
>>>haha funny and ironic.
>>
>>No, you're not funny, at all. "Sad" is a better description.
>>>
>>>honestly the problem is comprehending jibberish like yours
>>
>>Says the illiterate who doesn't know what punctuation is for. We all
>>know you don't know how to write but now we all know that you can't
>>read, either.
>>>
>>>get your meds dosage checked you may need more or less or get off them
>>>or get a stronger one
>>
>>You're the one who needs a checkup from the neck up.
>>>
>I have him filtered - isn't he just background noise? I can't remember a single
>post of his that had added anything useful to the group before I filtered him. I
>still see a lot of his posts because many reply to him, and I still haven't seen
>anything of any import from him on any subject, on topic or not - am I missing
>something?
>
That's probably the best suggestion of the day. I don't filter anyone
but spammers but there are several I just ignore.
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 23:29:28 -0500, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>krw wrote:
>> It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
>> presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
>>
>How about those oscillating sanders? Are they just "disposable", or are
>they designed to handle the lateral force?
>
Do you care about runout on a drum sander? I certainly do on a DP.
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:21:49 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:37:14 -0800
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It depends on the quality of the drill press as to how much you'll
>> have to pay for the dance.
>
>yeah not a big problem
>
>nice that people care so much though about the drill press
>
Any Craftsman or Tradesman cares about their tools, to keep them
reliable so that when you need it the most it still does what it is
supposed to do. There is a point and time where the tool is sloppy but
still useful for things like you want to do.
Me? I'd like to start er up and see it spinning true.
But after all is said and done, your tool, your money, your choice.
>i am thinking of giving it a name now
>
>mill or miller or drilly
>i know
>sander or sandy
>
Call it a Wibble Wobble oval hole maker. ;)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On 12/13/2015 10:01 AM, woodchucker wrote:
[snip]
> Like everything else, there are different levels of quality. I have a Jacobs
> chuck that came on a delta drill press, and it has jaws that are not correctly
> ground. So they make a drill bit wobble. Jacobs makes different levels of
> quality. Today, they have slipped heavily in quality. I have 2 machinist friends
> that will only use an old Jacobs, not a new one, and they both prefer the
> Albrecht (German chuck).
> I have both old, and new Jacobs. The new are quite inferior. I have 2 Chinese
> chucks that beat out the new Jacobs chuck. That's not good for the US. Our
> quality is slipping where we should still rule. I'll blame the bean counters,
> but it could be other factors. The price of a Jacobs is more ( you are paying
> for US made goods), but the quality is quite poor for the price.
Are you saying the later Albrecht chucks are not as good as the older ones. I
have an Albrecht from ca 1985. It's the cat's ass.
On 12/9/2015 2:15 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
>
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> The top bearing at the pulley gets considerable side force and the
>> bottom gets some but less.
>
> I can't help but wonder what kinds of side forces a forstner bit would
> produce if you're drilling a half-hole in the edge of a piece of wood...
>
I think still pretty much almost straight up,
On 12/12/2015 11:44 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:21:44 -0500
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Most all quality chucks are mounted on either a Jacobs taper, or
>> Browne and sharpe taper.
>
> mine must be a jacobs taper i guess
>
> it looks like about a morse #2 or 3
>
>
> nothing wobbly at all
>
>
>
>
MT2 or 3 are what go into your quill.
The JT and BS are for the chucks.
--
Jeff
On 12/13/2015 5:54 PM, gray_wolf wrote:
> On 12/13/2015 10:01 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Like everything else, there are different levels of quality. I have a
>> Jacobs
>> chuck that came on a delta drill press, and it has jaws that are not
>> correctly
>> ground. So they make a drill bit wobble. Jacobs makes different
>> levels of
>> quality. Today, they have slipped heavily in quality. I have 2
>> machinist friends
>> that will only use an old Jacobs, not a new one, and they both prefer the
>> Albrecht (German chuck).
>> I have both old, and new Jacobs. The new are quite inferior. I have 2
>> Chinese
>> chucks that beat out the new Jacobs chuck. That's not good for the
>> US. Our
>> quality is slipping where we should still rule. I'll blame the bean
>> counters,
>> but it could be other factors. The price of a Jacobs is more ( you
>> are paying
>> for US made goods), but the quality is quite poor for the price.
>
> Are you saying the later Albrecht chucks are not as good as the older
> ones. I have an Albrecht from ca 1985. It's the cat's ass.
No, the albrecht have always been fantastic, but the Jacobs, are not up
to the competition any longer. I don't know where you get that I was
even saying that the Albrects were not as good as the older ones. I just
re-read my statement, and it's pretty clear that I was talking about
Jacobs.
--
Jeff
"SnA Higgins" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I have a Rockwell/Delta radial drill press, circa 1970. The manual
> discusses using it as a router and as a drum sander. Since I have
> those specific machines I use the drill press for drilling only.
A radial drill press is kind of a different animal - they
are usually much more stoutly constructed than a regular
drill press.
Myself, I have a small benchtop drill press from way back
when I first started getting tools, which is now reserved
for drum sanding. The bigger press is just for drills.
John
DJ Delorie <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> writes:
>> The top bearing at the pulley gets considerable side force and the
>> bottom gets some but less.
>
> I can't help but wonder what kinds of side forces a forstner bit would
> produce if you're drilling a half-hole in the edge of a piece of wood...
Better example would perhaps be a circle cutter, altho
even there I think the forces would be much smaller
and shorter duration than a sanding drum.
John
On 12/8/2015 10:29 PM, Bill wrote:
> krw wrote:
>> It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
>> presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
>>
> How about those oscillating sanders? Are they just "disposable", or are
> they designed to handle the lateral force?
>
> Bill
They are designed to handle the forces. Is is a matter of using the
correct bearing for the intended purpose.
On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:45:28 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>i do not recalll ever watching an entire episode when it aired
>but recently i watched one and i had forgottent that he never gave the
>details and was pushing selling the plans
>
>it was funny to watch it as he skips over a lot of details
>
>but i did see that he used a spindle into the drill press as a spindle
>sander
>
>i ordered a cheap set and i wonder if anyone here uses one of these
>on their drill press
>
>does it work well
>
>i will mostly use it for small stuff
>
>the one i ordered does not oscillate but i know they make those
It's a great idea, if you don't like your drill press. Side force is
hell on the bearings.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:04:32 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:09:35 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's a great idea, if you don't like your drill press. Side force is
>> hell on the bearings.
>
>for light sanding it will be fine
No, it's really not.
>
>i like putting my tools to work so i think side force is not a big factor
>with light sanding
>
It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On 12/12/2015 1:55 AM, OFWW wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:53:46 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:15:46 -0800
>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> But after all is said and done, your tool, your money, your choice.
>>
>> goes without saying but true
>>
>> if a drill press could not handle some lateral force it would not be useful
>>
>> think about drilling through wood with knots etc
>>
>> my table tilts as most do
>> so again lateral forces
>>
>> anyone that thinks a small spindle sand attachment is going to ruin a
>> drill press has incorrect thinking
>>
>> they are not applying common sense
>> but common sense seems to be uncommon for many
>>
>
> A friend of mine had a wobbly chuck and not due to the internals, but
> the fit of the chuck onto the spindle. If yours is pressure fitted and
> without a locking set screw from the inside of the chuck to the middle
> of the shaft then it will happen to your as well.
>
> Just because something appears do-able doesn't mean its a smart move
> to try it.
>
Where'd you get that info?
Most all quality chucks are mounted on either a Jacobs taper, or Browne
and sharpe taper.
None that I know of use a set screw. The taper is what causes the good
fit, and accurate centering.
On the other hand a chuck that is set to a shaft that has not been
properly cleaned will not seat correctly and will cause all kinds of
problems. Not concentric, wobbly, capable of falling off.
A low quality chuck would use a set screw..
--
Jeff
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 19:31:43 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:12:18 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I'm not as stupid as some. I learn from the mistakes of others.
>
>do tell what you learned
>always interesting to hear about trial and tribulations
>
It's clear that you're incapable of learning from others because you
can't even read.
On 12/13/2015 2:35 AM, OFWW wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:21:44 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2015 1:55 AM, OFWW wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:53:46 -0800, Electric Comet
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:15:46 -0800
>>>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But after all is said and done, your tool, your money, your choice.
>>>>
>>>> goes without saying but true
>>>>
>>>> if a drill press could not handle some lateral force it would not be useful
>>>>
>>>> think about drilling through wood with knots etc
>>>>
>>>> my table tilts as most do
>>>> so again lateral forces
>>>>
>>>> anyone that thinks a small spindle sand attachment is going to ruin a
>>>> drill press has incorrect thinking
>>>>
>>>> they are not applying common sense
>>>> but common sense seems to be uncommon for many
>>>>
>>>
>>> A friend of mine had a wobbly chuck and not due to the internals, but
>>> the fit of the chuck onto the spindle. If yours is pressure fitted and
>>> without a locking set screw from the inside of the chuck to the middle
>>> of the shaft then it will happen to your as well.
>>>
>>> Just because something appears do-able doesn't mean its a smart move
>>> to try it.
>>>
>>
>> Where'd you get that info?
>> Most all quality chucks are mounted on either a Jacobs taper, or Browne
>> and sharpe taper.
>>
>
> Ok, Guess I am going to have to eat a little dirt here. Years and
> years ago I needed to change out a Jacobs chuck. This one really stuck
> hard in my head since I was expecting a normal tap off operation. I
> darned near ruined the drill press and I for sure ruined the chuck.
> The reason it would not come off was because of a screw at the bottom
> of the chuck locking in on the shaft. I buggered that screw and ended
Those are generally for hand drills, which reverse. Not for drill
presses. The JT taper would probably be too heavy for a hand drill.
A threaded chuck is less accurate than a tapered chuck. But on a hand
drill it does not matter much.
> up drilling the head clean off, then removed the chuck and then
> removed the remaining parts of the screw. As a result that is so burnt
> into my mind that I always do a double check.
>
> I don't remember having that same problems since. I have had problems
> with chucks not centering properly on the tapered shaft because of the
> lateral forces and possibly soft metal or metal fatigue since then.
> And as I said, my friends drill press was visibly wobbly, and he
> passed away before a replacement chuck was tried. (He was just going
> to throw the thing out due to his frustrations with it)
>
> Also I always err on the better safe than sorry type of actions so I
> may have jumped the gun on this. I personally do about 50/50 hard
> metal to drilling wood on my Drill press.
>
>> None that I know of use a set screw. The taper is what causes the good
>> fit, and accurate centering.
>>
>
> Yet I have seen loose fits due to wear.
>
>> On the other hand a chuck that is set to a shaft that has not been
>> properly cleaned will not seat correctly and will cause all kinds of
>> problems. Not concentric, wobbly, capable of falling off.
>>
>> A low quality chuck would use a set screw..
>
> I have never considered Jacobs low end.
Like everything else, there are different levels of quality. I have a
Jacobs chuck that came on a delta drill press, and it has jaws that are
not correctly ground. So they make a drill bit wobble. Jacobs makes
different levels of quality. Today, they have slipped heavily in
quality. I have 2 machinist friends that will only use an old Jacobs,
not a new one, and they both prefer the Albrecht (German chuck).
I have both old, and new Jacobs. The new are quite inferior. I have 2
Chinese chucks that beat out the new Jacobs chuck. That's not good for
the US. Our quality is slipping where we should still rule. I'll blame
the bean counters, but it could be other factors. The price of a Jacobs
is more ( you are paying for US made goods), but the quality is quite
poor for the price.
>
> But thanks for your comments on my bad. :)
>
--
Jeff
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:59:14 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:29:35 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's clear that you're incapable of learning from others because you
>> can't even read.
>
>haha funny and ironic.
No, you're not funny, at all. "Sad" is a better description.
>
>honestly the problem is comprehending jibberish like yours
Says the illiterate who doesn't know what punctuation is for. We all
know you don't know how to write but now we all know that you can't
read, either.
>
>get your meds dosage checked you may need more or less or get off them
>or get a stronger one
You're the one who needs a checkup from the neck up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:02:20 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 22:39:18 -0500
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> No, it's really not.
>
>how long did it last before you had problems on yours
I'm not as stupid as some. I learn from the mistakes of others.
>
>> It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
>> presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
>
>i will report back with my findings too
>
Your drill press. Have at it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 13:27:07 -0500, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 19:59:14 -0800, Electric Comet
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:29:35 -0500
>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It's clear that you're incapable of learning from others because you
>>> can't even read.
>>
>>haha funny and ironic.
>
>No, you're not funny, at all. "Sad" is a better description.
>>
>>honestly the problem is comprehending jibberish like yours
>
>Says the illiterate who doesn't know what punctuation is for. We all
>know you don't know how to write but now we all know that you can't
>read, either.
>>
>>get your meds dosage checked you may need more or less or get off them
>>or get a stronger one
>
>You're the one who needs a checkup from the neck up.
>>
I have him filtered - isn't he just background noise? I can't remember a single
post of his that had added anything useful to the group before I filtered him. I
still see a lot of his posts because many reply to him, and I still haven't seen
anything of any import from him on any subject, on topic or not - am I missing
something?
Jerry O.
On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:09:35 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's a great idea, if you don't like your drill press. Side force is
> hell on the bearings.
for light sanding it will be fine
i like putting my tools to work so i think side force is not a big factor
with light sanding
On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:13:54 -0600, gray_wolf <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 12/13/2015 5:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 12/13/2015 5:54 PM, gray_wolf wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2015 10:01 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Like everything else, there are different levels of quality. I have a
>>>> Jacobs
>>>> chuck that came on a delta drill press, and it has jaws that are not
>>>> correctly
>>>> ground. So they make a drill bit wobble. Jacobs makes different
>>>> levels of
>>>> quality. Today, they have slipped heavily in quality. I have 2
>>>> machinist friends
>>>> that will only use an old Jacobs, not a new one, and they both prefer the
>>>> Albrecht (German chuck).
>>>> I have both old, and new Jacobs. The new are quite inferior. I have 2
>>>> Chinese
>>>> chucks that beat out the new Jacobs chuck. That's not good for the
>>>> US. Our
>>>> quality is slipping where we should still rule. I'll blame the bean
>>>> counters,
>>>> but it could be other factors. The price of a Jacobs is more ( you
>>>> are paying
>>>> for US made goods), but the quality is quite poor for the price.
>>>
>>> Are you saying the later Albrecht chucks are not as good as the older
>>> ones. I have an Albrecht from ca 1985. It's the cat's ass.
>>
>> No, the albrecht have always been fantastic, but the Jacobs, are not up to the
>> competition any longer. I don't know where you get that I was even saying that
>> the Albrects were not as good as the older ones. I just re-read my statement,
>> and it's pretty clear that I was talking about Jacobs.
>>
>
>Sorry about that. Thanks for setting me straight. At 76 I sometimes I
>misunderstand. Re-reading your comment makes it all clear now.
>IIRC some of the older consumer grade Jacobs weren't all that good either.
>Like on cheap drills and such.
>
>I found out early on that spending a bit more on quality tools
>can save you a lifetime of aggravation.
Yikes! >$600 for a woodworking drill press chuck seems a bit
excessive, though.
On 12/13/2015 8:06 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2015 19:13:54 -0600, gray_wolf <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 12/13/2015 5:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2015 5:54 PM, gray_wolf wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2015 10:01 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>>> Like everything else, there are different levels of quality. I have a
>>>>> Jacobs
>>>>> chuck that came on a delta drill press, and it has jaws that are not
>>>>> correctly
>>>>> ground. So they make a drill bit wobble. Jacobs makes different
>>>>> levels of
>>>>> quality. Today, they have slipped heavily in quality. I have 2
>>>>> machinist friends
>>>>> that will only use an old Jacobs, not a new one, and they both prefer the
>>>>> Albrecht (German chuck).
>>>>> I have both old, and new Jacobs. The new are quite inferior. I have 2
>>>>> Chinese
>>>>> chucks that beat out the new Jacobs chuck. That's not good for the
>>>>> US. Our
>>>>> quality is slipping where we should still rule. I'll blame the bean
>>>>> counters,
>>>>> but it could be other factors. The price of a Jacobs is more ( you
>>>>> are paying
>>>>> for US made goods), but the quality is quite poor for the price.
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying the later Albrecht chucks are not as good as the older
>>>> ones. I have an Albrecht from ca 1985. It's the cat's ass.
>>>
>>> No, the albrecht have always been fantastic, but the Jacobs, are not up to the
>>> competition any longer. I don't know where you get that I was even saying that
>>> the Albrects were not as good as the older ones. I just re-read my statement,
>>> and it's pretty clear that I was talking about Jacobs.
>>>
>>
>> Sorry about that. Thanks for setting me straight. At 76 I sometimes I
>> misunderstand. Re-reading your comment makes it all clear now.
>> IIRC some of the older consumer grade Jacobs weren't all that good either.
>> Like on cheap drills and such.
>>
>> I found out early on that spending a bit more on quality tools
>> can save you a lifetime of aggravation.
>
> Yikes! >$600 for a woodworking drill press chuck seems a bit
> excessive, though.
I payed about $120 for my Albrecht 1/32-1/2" J2 back in 85. Inflation takes it's
toll. I did buy mine for metal work. I've seen some going for ~ $335 lately so
look around. It maybe overkill for most wood workers.
Leon wrote:
> On 12/8/2015 10:29 PM, Bill wrote:
>> krw wrote:
>>> It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
>>> presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
>>>
>> How about those oscillating sanders? Are they just "disposable", or are
>> they designed to handle the lateral force?
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> They are designed to handle the forces. Is is a matter of using the
> correct bearing for the intended purpose.
Thanks!
On 12/9/2015 12:06 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 12/8/2015 10:29 PM, Bill wrote:
>> krw wrote:
>>> It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
>>> presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
>>>
>> How about those oscillating sanders? Are they just "disposable", or are
>> they designed to handle the lateral force?
>>
>> Bill
>
>
> They are designed to handle the forces. Is is a matter of using the
> correct bearing for the intended purpose.
You'd think someone would make a spindle sander attachment for a drill
press that had a bottom bearing in in a fixed base that could be clamped
to the table. Could be handy for someone with a small shop, low budget,
occasional use.
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 22:39:18 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, it's really not.
how long did it last before you had problems on yours
> It is a big deal. You're just asking for runout problems. Drill
> presses are not made for lateral force. They're not milling machines.
i will report back with my findings too
On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 11:42:02 -0500
Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> You'd think someone would make a spindle sander attachment for a
> drill press that had a bottom bearing in in a fixed base that could
> be clamped to the table. Could be handy for someone with a small
> shop, low budget, occasional use.
hear mention of an oscillating attachment for a drill press but have not
sene one
i wonder if it has something like that
anyway the forces for light sanding are insignificant
a drill press is made for handling lateral forces
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:37:14 -0800
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
> It depends on the quality of the drill press as to how much you'll
> have to pay for the dance.
yeah not a big problem
nice that people care so much though about the drill press
i am thinking of giving it a name now
mill or miller or drilly
i know
sander or sandy
"OFWW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:04:32 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Dec 2015 20:09:35 -0500
>>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> It's a great idea, if you don't like your drill press. Side force is
>>> hell on the bearings.
>>
>>for light sanding it will be fine
>>
>>i like putting my tools to work so i think side force is not a big factor
>>with light sanding
>>
> Anytime you put sideways pressure on the spindle you can cause it to
> drift off center. Sanding at the end away for the chuck will put
> amplified pressure on where the chuck meets the tapered shaft.
>
> It depends on the quality of the drill press as to how much you'll
> have to pay for the dance.
I have a Rockwell/Delta radial drill press, circa 1970. The manual
discusses using it as a router and as a drum sander. Since I have those
specific machines I use the drill press for drilling only.
Steve
On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:12:18 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not as stupid as some. I learn from the mistakes of others.
do tell what you learned
always interesting to hear about trial and tribulations
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:29:35 -0500
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> It's clear that you're incapable of learning from others because you
> can't even read.
haha funny and ironic
honestly the problem is comprehending jibberish like yours
get your meds dosage checked you may need more or less or get off them
or get a stronger one
On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:15:46 -0800
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
> But after all is said and done, your tool, your money, your choice.
goes without saying but true
if a drill press could not handle some lateral force it would not be useful
think about drilling through wood with knots etc
my table tilts as most do
so again lateral forces
anyone that thinks a small spindle sand attachment is going to ruin a
drill press has incorrect thinking
they are not applying common sense
but common sense seems to be uncommon for many
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 22:55:49 -0800
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
> A friend of mine had a wobbly chuck and not due to the internals, but
> the fit of the chuck onto the spindle. If yours is pressure fitted and
> without a locking set screw from the inside of the chuck to the middle
> of the shaft then it will happen to your as well.
mine has a morse taper #2 or #3 i think
no woblly going on at all
this was a rescued drill press that had been abandoned and was quite rusted
it is excellent now
but it is a machine and machines must be put to use
i drill with it but with a sanding spindle it becomes even a more useful
machine
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:21:44 -0500
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> Most all quality chucks are mounted on either a Jacobs taper, or
> Browne and sharpe taper.
mine must be a jacobs taper i guess
it looks like about a morse #2 or 3
nothing wobbly at all
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 16:17:38 -0500
woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:
> MT2 or 3 are what go into your quill.
>
> The JT and BS are for the chucks.
oh right i think i have heard that before
just guessing that the brown&sharpe taper older or jt is more widespread
On 12/13/2015 5:51 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 12/13/2015 5:54 PM, gray_wolf wrote:
>> On 12/13/2015 10:01 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Like everything else, there are different levels of quality. I have a
>>> Jacobs
>>> chuck that came on a delta drill press, and it has jaws that are not
>>> correctly
>>> ground. So they make a drill bit wobble. Jacobs makes different
>>> levels of
>>> quality. Today, they have slipped heavily in quality. I have 2
>>> machinist friends
>>> that will only use an old Jacobs, not a new one, and they both prefer the
>>> Albrecht (German chuck).
>>> I have both old, and new Jacobs. The new are quite inferior. I have 2
>>> Chinese
>>> chucks that beat out the new Jacobs chuck. That's not good for the
>>> US. Our
>>> quality is slipping where we should still rule. I'll blame the bean
>>> counters,
>>> but it could be other factors. The price of a Jacobs is more ( you
>>> are paying
>>> for US made goods), but the quality is quite poor for the price.
>>
>> Are you saying the later Albrecht chucks are not as good as the older
>> ones. I have an Albrecht from ca 1985. It's the cat's ass.
>
> No, the albrecht have always been fantastic, but the Jacobs, are not up to the
> competition any longer. I don't know where you get that I was even saying that
> the Albrects were not as good as the older ones. I just re-read my statement,
> and it's pretty clear that I was talking about Jacobs.
>
Sorry about that. Thanks for setting me straight. At 76 I sometimes I
misunderstand. Re-reading your comment makes it all clear now.
IIRC some of the older consumer grade Jacobs weren't all that good either.
Like on cheap drills and such.
I found out early on that spending a bit more on quality tools
can save you a lifetime of aggravation.
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>On Wed, 9 Dec 2015 11:42:02 -0500
>Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> You'd think someone would make a spindle sander attachment for a
>> drill press that had a bottom bearing in in a fixed base that could
>> be clamped to the table. Could be handy for someone with a small
>> shop, low budget, occasional use.
>
>hear mention of an oscillating attachment for a drill press but have not
>sene one
I had one[*], but the stationary OSS worked much better, particularly
for dust collection.
[*] Delta - for a 17" floor drill press.
>
>i wonder if it has something like that
>
>anyway the forces for light sanding are insignificant
I presume you have the data to back this up?
>
>a drill press is made for handling lateral forces
>
No, a drill press is made to drill holes.
On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:53:46 -0800, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:15:46 -0800
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But after all is said and done, your tool, your money, your choice.
>
>goes without saying but true
>
>if a drill press could not handle some lateral force it would not be useful
>
>think about drilling through wood with knots etc
>
>my table tilts as most do
>so again lateral forces
>
>anyone that thinks a small spindle sand attachment is going to ruin a
>drill press has incorrect thinking
>
>they are not applying common sense
>but common sense seems to be uncommon for many
>
A friend of mine had a wobbly chuck and not due to the internals, but
the fit of the chuck onto the spindle. If yours is pressure fitted and
without a locking set screw from the inside of the chuck to the middle
of the shaft then it will happen to your as well.
Just because something appears do-able doesn't mean its a smart move
to try it.
On 12/9/2015 4:02 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> "SnA Higgins" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I have a Rockwell/Delta radial drill press, circa 1970. The manual
>> discusses using it as a router and as a drum sander. Since I have
>> those specific machines I use the drill press for drilling only.
>
> A radial drill press is kind of a different animal - they
> are usually much more stoutly constructed than a regular
> drill press.
>
> Myself, I have a small benchtop drill press from way back
> when I first started getting tools, which is now reserved
> for drum sanding. The bigger press is just for drills.
>
> John
>
never thought they were any different except the way they are mounted.
--
Jeff
On Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:21:44 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 12/12/2015 1:55 AM, OFWW wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 10:53:46 -0800, Electric Comet
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Dec 2015 00:15:46 -0800
>>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But after all is said and done, your tool, your money, your choice.
>>>
>>> goes without saying but true
>>>
>>> if a drill press could not handle some lateral force it would not be useful
>>>
>>> think about drilling through wood with knots etc
>>>
>>> my table tilts as most do
>>> so again lateral forces
>>>
>>> anyone that thinks a small spindle sand attachment is going to ruin a
>>> drill press has incorrect thinking
>>>
>>> they are not applying common sense
>>> but common sense seems to be uncommon for many
>>>
>>
>> A friend of mine had a wobbly chuck and not due to the internals, but
>> the fit of the chuck onto the spindle. If yours is pressure fitted and
>> without a locking set screw from the inside of the chuck to the middle
>> of the shaft then it will happen to your as well.
>>
>> Just because something appears do-able doesn't mean its a smart move
>> to try it.
>>
>
>Where'd you get that info?
>Most all quality chucks are mounted on either a Jacobs taper, or Browne
>and sharpe taper.
>
Ok, Guess I am going to have to eat a little dirt here. Years and
years ago I needed to change out a Jacobs chuck. This one really stuck
hard in my head since I was expecting a normal tap off operation. I
darned near ruined the drill press and I for sure ruined the chuck.
The reason it would not come off was because of a screw at the bottom
of the chuck locking in on the shaft. I buggered that screw and ended
up drilling the head clean off, then removed the chuck and then
removed the remaining parts of the screw. As a result that is so burnt
into my mind that I always do a double check.
I don't remember having that same problems since. I have had problems
with chucks not centering properly on the tapered shaft because of the
lateral forces and possibly soft metal or metal fatigue since then.
And as I said, my friends drill press was visibly wobbly, and he
passed away before a replacement chuck was tried. (He was just going
to throw the thing out due to his frustrations with it)
Also I always err on the better safe than sorry type of actions so I
may have jumped the gun on this. I personally do about 50/50 hard
metal to drilling wood on my Drill press.
>None that I know of use a set screw. The taper is what causes the good
>fit, and accurate centering.
>
Yet I have seen loose fits due to wear.
>On the other hand a chuck that is set to a shaft that has not been
>properly cleaned will not seat correctly and will cause all kinds of
>problems. Not concentric, wobbly, capable of falling off.
>
>A low quality chuck would use a set screw..
I have never considered Jacobs low end.
But thanks for your comments on my bad. :)
On 12/9/2015 3:02 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> "SnA Higgins" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I have a Rockwell/Delta radial drill press, circa 1970. The manual
>> discusses using it as a router and as a drum sander. Since I have
>> those specific machines I use the drill press for drilling only.
>
> A radial drill press is kind of a different animal - they
> are usually much more stoutly constructed than a regular
> drill press.
>
I had one, a Rockwell 32" radial DP from the late 70's, really not built
any stronger except at the arm extension and pivot point which have
nothing to do with bearings.
> Myself, I have a small benchtop drill press from way back
> when I first started getting tools, which is now reserved
> for drum sanding. The bigger press is just for drills.
>
> John
>
I am beginning to think that there may not be much more pressure on a
drum sander attachment than the load of the belts.
And FWIW the up and down pressure from drilling really does not affect
any bearings. That load is carried by the rack and pinion that moves
the quill up and down.
On 12/7/2015 7:09 PM, krw wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:45:28 -0800, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> i do not recalll ever watching an entire episode when it aired
>> but recently i watched one and i had forgottent that he never gave the
>> details and was pushing selling the plans
>>
>> it was funny to watch it as he skips over a lot of details
>>
>> but i did see that he used a spindle into the drill press as a spindle
>> sander
>>
>> i ordered a cheap set and i wonder if anyone here uses one of these
>> on their drill press
>>
>> does it work well
>>
>> i will mostly use it for small stuff
>>
>> the one i ordered does not oscillate but i know they make those
>
> It's a great idea, if you don't like your drill press. Side force is
> hell on the bearings.
BUT,, I know that this has been hashed out for years on end but if you
think about the bearings on a DP they are side loaded to receive power.
The top bearing at the pulley gets considerable side force and the
bottom gets some but less.