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"Lee"

28/03/2007 1:32 AM

ply grades & edge molding

Looking at some red oak ply that I need both sides good.
Grades available are B2, A2, A1 and plain slice and rotary slice.
What do they mean??
Next question is I need to put an edge molding over some of the exposed
edges. How well does the heat glued edging hold up or should I look at
glue-it-yourself :)


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"Andy"

in reply to "Lee" on 28/03/2007 1:32 AM

27/03/2007 9:48 PM

On Mar 27, 10:44 pm, "Lee" <[email protected]> wrote:
> So what is a rotary cut compared to plain slice as far as grain?

Did you do a google search?
http://www.oakwoodveneer.com/tips/cuts.html
http://www.windsorplywood.com/did_you_know_q.html
I picture rotary cut as unpeeling a fruit rollup, and it often leaves
a unique (unnatural and often unappealing IMO) grain pattern compared
to traditional sawing (flat or quarter).
Andy

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"Lee"

in reply to "Lee" on 28/03/2007 1:32 AM

28/03/2007 2:44 AM

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So what is a rotary cut compared to plain slice as far as grain?
"PDQ" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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CORE
veneer core v/c
lumber core l/c (sawed lumber: strongest, best edge, easiest to cut, =
not
common)
fibre core f/c
particle core p/c

ADHESIVE
Type 1: (or "technical type"): exterior water proof
Type 2: moisture resistant, some delam if wetted, most common interior
Type 3: come apart if wetted; interior, keep reasonable dry

GRADE
Hardwood

Face (by letter)
AA
A
B
C (considered utility grade)
D (considered utility grade)
E (considered utility grade)

Back (by number)
1 (best)
2
3
4

Imported Hardwood (gen diff)
Face
BBPF (best)
BB
CC
OVL

Back
A (best)
B

Softwood
(both face and back by same letter)
N (best-not common, special order)
A
B
C-plugged
C
D

CUT
ROT (rotary)
FLAT flitch cut, or stay-log cut - may be slip matched or book matched

GROUP
(strength or specific gravity of species in core) - unless specific
application of strength or stiffness, need not worry.
Hardwood
A (strongest)
B
C

Softwood
1 (strongest)
2
3
4
5

Generally, woodworkers use B-2 or better on visible or outside, and =
C-2 or
C-3 or better for inside of furniture or cabinets. Softwood: N-B or =
A-B, and
no less than B-B outside.

1/2" Birch at HD says at least this much on the label: G2S (B-2) VC


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"Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
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Looking at some red oak ply that I need both sides good.
Grades available are B2, A2, A1 and plain slice and rotary slice.
What do they mean??
Next question is I need to put an edge molding over some of the =
exposed=20
edges. How well does the heat glued edging hold up or should I look =
at=20
glue-it-yourself :)=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>CORE<BR>veneer core =
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l/c (sawed lumber: strongest, best edge, easiest to cut,=20
not<BR>common)<BR>fibre core f/c<BR>particle core p/c</FONT></DIV>
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reasonable dry</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" =
size=3D4>GRADE<BR>Hardwood</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Face (by =
letter)<BR>AA<BR>A<BR>B<BR>C=20
(considered utility grade)<BR>D (considered utility grade)<BR>E =
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Back (by number)<BR>1=20
(best)<BR>2<BR>3<BR>4</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Imported Hardwood (gen=20
diff)<BR>Face<BR>BBPF (best)<BR>BB<BR>CC<BR>OVL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Back<BR>A =
(best)<BR>B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Softwood<BR>(both face and =
back by same=20
letter)<BR>N (best-not common, special=20
order)<BR>A<BR>B<BR>C-plugged<BR>C<BR>D</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>CUT<BR>ROT (rotary)<BR>FLAT =
flitch cut,=20
or stay-log cut - may be slip matched or book matched</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>GROUP<BR>(strength or =
specific gravity=20
of species in core) - unless specific<BR>application of strength or =
stiffness,=20
need not worry.<BR>Hardwood<BR>A (strongest)<BR>B<BR>C</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Softwood<BR>1=20
(strongest)<BR>2<BR>3<BR>4<BR>5</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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furniture or=20
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outside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>1/2" Birch at HD says at =
least this much=20
on the label: G2S (B-2) VC<BR>
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D=20
Q</EM></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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at some red oak ply that I need both sides good.<BR>Grades available =
are B2,=20
A2, A1 and plain slice and rotary slice.<BR>What do they =
mean??<BR>Next=20
question is I need to put an edge molding over some of the exposed=20
<BR>edges. How well does the heat glued edging hold up or should I =
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"PDQ"

in reply to "Lee" on 28/03/2007 1:32 AM

27/03/2007 8:50 PM

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CORE
veneer core v/c
lumber core l/c (sawed lumber: strongest, best edge, easiest to cut, not
common)
fibre core f/c
particle core p/c

ADHESIVE
Type 1: (or "technical type"): exterior water proof
Type 2: moisture resistant, some delam if wetted, most common interior
Type 3: come apart if wetted; interior, keep reasonable dry

GRADE
Hardwood

Face (by letter)
AA
A
B
C (considered utility grade)
D (considered utility grade)
E (considered utility grade)

Back (by number)
1 (best)
2
3
4

Imported Hardwood (gen diff)
Face
BBPF (best)
BB
CC
OVL

Back
A (best)
B

Softwood
(both face and back by same letter)
N (best-not common, special order)
A
B
C-plugged
C
D

CUT
ROT (rotary)
FLAT flitch cut, or stay-log cut - may be slip matched or book matched

GROUP
(strength or specific gravity of species in core) - unless specific
application of strength or stiffness, need not worry.
Hardwood
A (strongest)
B
C

Softwood
1 (strongest)
2
3
4
5

Generally, woodworkers use B-2 or better on visible or outside, and C-2 =
or
C-3 or better for inside of furniture or cabinets. Softwood: N-B or =
A-B, and
no less than B-B outside.

1/2" Birch at HD says at least this much on the label: G2S (B-2) VC


P D Q
"Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message =
news:[email protected]...
Looking at some red oak ply that I need both sides good.
Grades available are B2, A2, A1 and plain slice and rotary slice.
What do they mean??
Next question is I need to put an edge molding over some of the =
exposed=20
edges. How well does the heat glued edging hold up or should I look at =

glue-it-yourself :)=20


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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>ADHESIVE<BR>Type 1: (or =
"technical type"):=20
exterior water proof<BR>Type 2: moisture resistant, some delam if =
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reasonable=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>GRADE<BR>Hardwood</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Face (by =
letter)<BR>AA<BR>A<BR>B<BR>C=20
(considered utility grade)<BR>D (considered utility grade)<BR>E =
(considered=20
utility grade)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Back (by number)<BR>1=20
(best)<BR>2<BR>3<BR>4</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Imported Hardwood (gen=20
diff)<BR>Face<BR>BBPF (best)<BR>BB<BR>CC<BR>OVL</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Back<BR>A =
(best)<BR>B</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Softwood<BR>(both face and =
back by same=20
letter)<BR>N (best-not common, special=20
order)<BR>A<BR>B<BR>C-plugged<BR>C<BR>D</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>CUT<BR>ROT (rotary)<BR>FLAT =
flitch cut, or=20
stay-log cut - may be slip matched or book matched</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>GROUP<BR>(strength or specific =
gravity of=20
species in core) - unless specific<BR>application of strength or =
stiffness, need=20
not worry.<BR>Hardwood<BR>A (strongest)<BR>B<BR>C</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Softwood<BR>1=20
(strongest)<BR>2<BR>3<BR>4<BR>5</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>Generally, woodworkers use B-2 =
or better=20
on visible or outside, and C-2 or<BR>C-3 or better for inside of =
furniture or=20
cabinets.&nbsp; Softwood: N-B or A-B, and<BR>no less than B-B=20
outside.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" size=3D4>1/2" Birch at HD says at least =
this much=20
on the label: G2S (B-2) VC<BR>
<DIV><BR><FONT face=3D"Script MT Bold" color=3D#0000ff size=3D6><EM>P D=20
Q</EM></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"Lee" &lt;<A =
href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>&gt;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:[email protected]">news:fBjOh=
[email protected]</A>...</DIV>Looking=20
at some red oak ply that I need both sides good.<BR>Grades available =
are B2,=20
A2, A1 and plain slice and rotary slice.<BR>What do they =
mean??<BR>Next=20
question is I need to put an edge molding over some of the exposed =
<BR>edges.=20
How well does the heat glued edging hold up or should I look at=20
<BR>glue-it-yourself :) <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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