Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve lifting or climbing,
after my near fatal fall. I'm thinking of getting back into using autocad
autodesk, (barely learned some of it in the distant past) and need to see if
I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I therefore need a
version to work with, but at nearly 4K per copy, I would rather wait until I
decide to for sure commit to it, before I but a 4K program and a 3K
computer.
Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or 3 months? Any
version would do, for now.
If you are willing, contact me off list, at jsmorganatcharter.net since it
is not legal to sell autodesk to a third party. I don't think there is a
problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it below the table, me
thinks.
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John Kennerson <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>
> How so?
Let me rephrase, the venom in your response.
"Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>John Kennerson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>>
>> How so?
>
>Let me rephrase, the venom in your response.
Please, you sound like a sobbing little school girl with a skint knee.
John Kennerson wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> John Kennerson <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>>>
>>> How so?
>>
>> Let me rephrase, the venom in your response.
>
> Please, you sound like a sobbing little school girl with a skint knee.
And you sir, sound like a pompus ass who thinks what he has to say is more
important than it really is. Or... let me better say... a punk that has not
learnhed what he really isn't. Plonk...
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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 4/14/2014 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 4/14/2014 7:52 AM, John Kennerson wrote:
>
>
>>> Are you actually stupid enough to believe you would be any less in
>>> violation of
>>> Autodesk's licensing agreement by "borrowing" a copy of acad from a
>>> participant
>>> of rec.woodworking than you would be with a pirated copy?
>
>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>
> Sorry to say, I actually agree with his basic premise.
>
> For as long as I've know, AutoDesk specifically never has done anything
> but "license" the use of their software, they do not "sell" it to you.
>
> Borrowing a copy of copyrighted, and licensed software would be subject
> to the restrictions in the license that the Lender/purchaser agreed to when purchasing.
>
> I thought it was pretty silly to publicly attempt to circumvent the
> license by requesting to "borrow" the software ... that certainly showed
> a total ignorance of the laws regarding copyright and software, if nothing else.
Agreed, I was wanting to convey the relatively offensive nature of the
response vs the subject of the response. It was a red flag seeing the
request to borrow.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 17:02:53 -0400 (EDT), John Kennerson
>But you weren't man enough to call him out for it?
>Just as I thought, you're all hat and no cattle.
Blustering in with insults and criticisms. Does that work well for
you? You might well be a very knowledgeable person, but your
incredible humility won't make you very popular.
"Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/14/2014 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2014 7:52 AM, John Kennerson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> Are you actually stupid enough to believe you would be any less in
>>>> violation of
>>>> Autodesk's licensing agreement by "borrowing" a copy of acad from a
>>>> participant
>>>> of rec.woodworking than you would be with a pirated copy?
>>
>>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>>
>> Sorry to say, I actually agree with his basic premise.
>>
>> For as long as I've know, AutoDesk specifically never has done anything
>> but "license" the use of their software, they do not "sell" it to you.
>>
>> Borrowing a copy of copyrighted, and licensed software would be subject
>> to the restrictions in the license that the Lender/purchaser agreed to when purchasing.
>>
>> I thought it was pretty silly to publicly attempt to circumvent the
>> license by requesting to "borrow" the software ... that certainly showed
>> a total ignorance of the laws regarding copyright and software, if nothing else.
>
>
>Agreed, I was wanting to convey the relatively offensive nature of the
>response vs the subject of the response.
The OP wrongly accused me of posting links to virus infected software. Dry
your eyes and man-up, Buttercup. If you're that easily offended reading my
response perhaps you need a new passtime.
>It was a red flag seeing the request to borrow.
But you weren't man enough to call him out for it?
Just as I thought, you're all hat and no cattle.
John Kennerson wrote:
> The OP wrongly accused me of posting links to virus infected
> software. Dry
> your eyes and man-up, Buttercup. If you're that easily offended
> reading my
> response perhaps you need a new passtime.
Perhaps you need to study reading comprehension so that you can really
understand what people are saying to you. Then you can progess on to some
some sort of therapy where you can realize that it's not all about you. You
have a long walk ahead of you son.
>
>> It was a red flag seeing the request to borrow.
>
> But you weren't man enough to call him out for it?
> Just as I thought, you're all hat and no cattle.
A real man does not need to call everybody out for everything. Only kids
that haven't realized that yet, feel the need to do so. Continue to do so
and you will continue to prove yourself as the latter.
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"John Kennerson" <[email protected]> wrote
> But you weren't man enough to call him out for it?
> Just as I thought, you're all hat and no cattle.
And you are still a pompous ass, as characterized by someone else without a
dog in the fight.
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"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Unfortunately, I have an employer in mind, and working with them will >
>> necessitate using the same program they are using, I believe. I am gong
>> > to bookmark your link, though. Thanks. I only wish I had not lost my
>>> > copy of the old autodesk.
>> -- >
> I thought I would let everyone know how this all shook out. I decided to
> bite the bullet, and sign up for a community college autocad class, and
> download the three year educational program. It seems to run ok on my
> current old and slow computer, but then again, I have not made it try to
> do any serious rendering, or anything. Time will tell...
>
> Now it is time to study, learn and practice.
Good luck..
John Kennerson <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2014 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/2014 7:52 AM, John Kennerson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Are you actually stupid enough to believe you would be any less in
>>>>> violation of
>>>>> Autodesk's licensing agreement by "borrowing" a copy of acad from a
>>>>> participant
>>>>> of rec.woodworking than you would be with a pirated copy?
>>>
>>>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>>>
>>> Sorry to say, I actually agree with his basic premise.
>>>
>>> For as long as I've know, AutoDesk specifically never has done anything
>>> but "license" the use of their software, they do not "sell" it to you.
>>>
>>> Borrowing a copy of copyrighted, and licensed software would be subject
>>> to the restrictions in the license that the Lender/purchaser agreed to when purchasing.
>>>
>>> I thought it was pretty silly to publicly attempt to circumvent the
>>> license by requesting to "borrow" the software ... that certainly showed
>>> a total ignorance of the laws regarding copyright and software, if nothing else.
>>
>>
>> Agreed, I was wanting to convey the relatively offensive nature of the
>> response vs the subject of the response.
>
> The OP wrongly accused me of posting links to virus infected software. Dry
> your eyes and man-up, Buttercup. If you're that easily offended reading my
> response perhaps you need a new passtime.
Could you point out that specific accusation?
If you took him mentioning that the link set his AV off 6 times as an
accusation then you are a bit of a paranoid pussy..
On 4/14/2014 9:33 PM, John Kennerson wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Could you point out that specific accusation?
>> If you took him mentioning that the link set his AV off 6 times as an
>> accusation then you are a bit of a paranoid pussy..
>
> You are coming dangerously close to allowing your fingers to write checks that
> your ass is completely incapable of cashing, cupcake. Take the virtual ass
> whipping I gave you today like a man. The stinging you're obviously feeling will
> eventually subside. Rather than being bitter about it, try and think of it as a
> valuable learning experience.
>
> Now, you run along back to being Karl's bitch, I find you boring and stale.
>
Pussy
"Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
>Could you point out that specific accusation?
>If you took him mentioning that the link set his AV off 6 times as an
>accusation then you are a bit of a paranoid pussy..
You are coming dangerously close to allowing your fingers to write checks that
your ass is completely incapable of cashing, cupcake. Take the virtual ass
whipping I gave you today like a man. The stinging you're obviously feeling will
eventually subside. Rather than being bitter about it, try and think of it as a
valuable learning experience.
Now, you run along back to being Karl's bitch, I find you boring and stale.
John Kennerson wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Could you point out that specific accusation?
>> If you took him mentioning that the link set his AV off 6 times as an
>> accusation then you are a bit of a paranoid pussy..
>
> You are coming dangerously close to allowing your fingers to write
> checks that
> your ass is completely incapable of cashing, cupcake. Take the
> virtual ass
> whipping I gave you today like a man. The stinging you're obviously
> feeling will
> eventually subside. Rather than being bitter about it, try and think
> of it as a
> valuable learning experience.
>
> Now, you run along back to being Karl's bitch, I find you boring and
> stale.
What a fool you are. Perhaps some day day you will grow up enough to
realize the ass you are making of yourself today. If not - oh well...
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> John Kennerson wrote:
>
>> The OP wrongly accused me of posting links to virus infected
>> software. Dry
>> your eyes and man-up, Buttercup. If you're that easily offended
>> reading my
>> response perhaps you need a new passtime.
>
> Perhaps you need to study reading comprehension so that you can really
> understand what people are saying to you. Then you can progess on to some
> some sort of therapy where you can realize that it's not all about you. You
> have a long walk ahead of you son.
>
Probably the type that was taught to expect a trophy for participating.
"Morgans" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve lifting or climbing,
>after my near fatal fall. I'm thinking of getting back into using autocad
>autodesk, (barely learned some of it in the distant past) and need to see if
>I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I therefore need a
>version to work with, but at nearly 4K per copy, I would rather wait until I
>decide to for sure commit to it, before I but a 4K program and a 3K
>computer.
>
>Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or 3 months? Any
>version would do, for now.
>
>If you are willing, contact me off list, at jsmorganatcharter.net since it
>is not legal to sell autodesk to a third party. I don't think there is a
>problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it below the table, me
>thinks.
Autocad 2014 64 bit
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8309310/AUTODESK.AUTOCAD.V2014.WIN64-ISO
Autocad 2014 32 bit
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8309307/AUTODESK.AUTOCAD.V2014.WIN32-ISO
Both are 100% clean and work perfectly.
Maybe try your local community college. I know years ago our local one
taught a class.
Maybe try sketch up as well.
Mike in Ohio
On 4/10/2014 6:08 PM, Morgans wrote:
> Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve lifting or
> climbing, after my near fatal fall. I'm thinking of getting back into
> using autocad autodesk, (barely learned some of it in the distant past)
> and need to see if I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I
> therefore need a version to work with, but at nearly 4K per copy, I
> would rather wait until I decide to for sure commit to it, before I but
> a 4K program and a 3K computer.
>
> Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or 3 months?
> Any version would do, for now.
>
> If you are willing, contact me off list, at jsmorganatcharter.net since
> it is not legal to sell autodesk to a third party. I don't think there
> is a problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it below the
> table, me thinks.
On 4/11/2014 3:49 PM, Morgans wrote:
>
> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote
>> I've used DoubleCAD, some. It works. Barring getting AutoCAD somehow,
>> perhaps a free "sort-of-similar" program would get you started. It can
>> be downloaded here:
>> http://www.doublecad.com/DoubleCAD/DoubleCAD-XT-v5
>> Best of luck.
>
> Thanks. I'll check it out.
You can download AutoCAD 2015 for a 30 day free trial.
http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-autocad/free-trial?mktvar002=afc_wwm_amer_us_nc_autocad2014trial
If that doesn't work, a search on "autocad free download" brings up
several hits. One of them might get you what you need.
"Morgans" wrote:
> I thought I would let everyone know how this all shook out. I
> decided to
> bite the bullet, and sign up for a community college autocad
> class, and
> download the three year educational program. It seems to run ok
> on my
> current old and slow computer, but then again, I have not made it
> try to
> do any serious rendering, or anything. Time will tell...
>
> Now it is time to study, learn and practice.
------------------------------------------------------------------
Sounds like a plan.
Good luck.
Sounds like you could use some.
Lew
On 4/14/2014 4:57 PM, Leon wrote:
> Probably the type that was taught to expect a trophy for participating.
Sunnavabitch! ... Bay Area Dave is back?!?!
Where's Apeman when you need him? LOL
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"John Kennerson" wrote:
> Sorry, "Bay Area Dave" doesn't ring a bell with me, apparently
> before my time.
----------------------------------------------------------
Well at least you recognize the obvious.
Someday your time will come.
In the mean time, might want to keep your mouth shut
and your eyes and ears open.
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>"John Kennerson" wrote:
>
>> Sorry, "Bay Area Dave" doesn't ring a bell with me, apparently
>> before my time.
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Well at least you recognize the obvious.
>
>Someday your time will come.
>
>In the mean time, might want to keep your mouth shut
>and your eyes and ears open.
>
>Lew
You sad, pathetic little man. Are you even vaguely cognizant of the depth of your
deficiencies? Perhaps when you're able to perform the simplest of tasks (like
posting a new subject in this group without "Re:") you will earn a response from
me.
Obama voter, right? 'Nuff said...
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT), John Kennerson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>From: John Kennerson <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Autodesk to borrow?
>References: <[email protected]>
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2014 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT)
>Newsgroups: rec.woodworking
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>Organization: dizum.com - The Internet Problem Provider
>X-Abuse: [email protected]
>Injection-Info: sewer.dizum.com - 194.109.206.211
>Bytes: 1426
>Lines: 23
>Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.woodworking:1562177
Yep he is replying from the sewer.
Mark
On 4/14/2014 10:23 PM, John Kennerson wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Sunnavabitch! ... Bay Area Dave is back?!?!
>>
>> Where's Apeman when you need him? LOL
>
> Sorry, "Bay Area Dave" doesn't ring a bell with me, apparently before my time.
>
> You might want keep a tighter reign on your bitch, Leon. He got a little uppity
> today and as a result I had to take him to the woodshed.
>
Pussy
"Swingman" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>Sunnavabitch! ... Bay Area Dave is back?!?!
>
>Where's Apeman when you need him? LOL
Sorry, "Bay Area Dave" doesn't ring a bell with me, apparently before my time.
You might want keep a tighter reign on your bitch, Leon. He got a little uppity
today and as a result I had to take him to the woodshed.
"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve
> lifting or climbing, after my near fatal fall. I'm
> thinking of getting back into using autocad autodesk,
> (barely learned some of it in the distant past) and need to
> see if I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I
> therefore need a version to work with, but at nearly 4K per
> copy, I would rather wait until I decide to for sure commit
> to it, before I but a 4K program and a 3K computer.
>
> Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or
> 3 months? Any version would do, for now.
>
> If you are willing, contact me off list, at
> jsmorganatcharter.net since it is not legal to sell
> autodesk to a third party. I don't think there is a
> problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it
> below the table, me thinks.
Back to the original subject...
As you've already figured out by others, "borrowing" isn't an
option. Licensing prevents that. If you *must* have ACAD your
best choice would be to download a trial version. the other
option would be to sign up for a class and get an education
version with a timebomb.
With that said I've downloaded a free version of progeCad and
used it for several years. I'm a very light user but
everything I attempted matched ACAD exactly. They no longer
offer a free version and the download I have refuses to
install on anything later that Vista but it could probably be
hacked to install on a newer OS goven a little time and
effort. If you were to decide it was worth the time it can be
purchased for the reasonable cost of $499, 1/10th the cost of
ACAD. You can find it at
http://www.progesoft.com if you have any interest.
Regards,
Larry
On 4/14/2014 12:34 PM, Leon wrote:
> Agreed, I was wanting to convey the relatively offensive nature of the
> response vs the subject of the response. It was a red flag seeing the
> request to borrow.
I didn't say anything initially either ... but was waiting for a
self-righteous moderator wannabe to jump in, thumping their chests like
"Me Tarzan!".
Agreed, the response was indeed over the top ... sounded like something
I would say. LOL <g> <BSEG> <G> ;) ;) ;>) Hehe
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"mungedaddress" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Maybe try your local community college. I know years ago our local one
> taught a class.
>
> Maybe try sketch up as well.
Gotta do autodesk. There is one specific employer I am looking towards, and
that is what they use.
Yep, community college is a possibility. Funny, that they are looking for
an autodesk teacher, right now. If I knew it, I could apply for that job,
since I have been a teacher for years.
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"Morgans" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve lifting or climbing,
after my near fatal fall. I'm thinking of getting back into using autocad
autodesk, (barely learned some of it in the distant past) and need to see if
I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I therefore need a
version to work with, but at nearly 4K per copy, I would rather wait until I
decide to for sure commit to it, before I but a 4K program and a 3K
computer.
Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or 3 months? Any
version would do, for now.
If you are willing, contact me off list, at jsmorganatcharter.net since it
is not legal to sell autodesk to a third party. I don't think there is a
problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it below the table, me
thinks.
--
Jim in NC
Jim,
The Autodesk site does have 30 day free trials you could download and use.
Also AutoCad Lite has a reasonable subscription price you may want to look
at. I used to use AutoCad 2000 and AutoCad lite when I was doing design
work (fiber-optic communication designs).
BobS
"Bob" <[email protected]> wrote>
> The Autodesk site does have 30 day free trials you could download and use.
> Also AutoCad Lite has a reasonable subscription price you may want to look
> at. I used to use AutoCad 2000 and AutoCad lite when I was doing design
> work (fiber-optic communication designs).
>
> BobS
Thanks for that.
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On 4/10/2014 6:08 PM, Morgans wrote:
> Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve lifting or
> climbing, after my near fatal fall. I'm thinking of getting back into
> using autocad autodesk, (barely learned some of it in the distant past)
> and need to see if I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I
> therefore need a version to work with, but at nearly 4K per copy, I
> would rather wait until I decide to for sure commit to it, before I but
> a 4K program and a 3K computer.
>
> Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or 3 months?
> Any version would do, for now.
>
> If you are willing, contact me off list, at jsmorganatcharter.net since
> it is not legal to sell autodesk to a third party. I don't think there
> is a problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it below the
> table, me thinks.
I don't know how much CAD experience you have. There's a free *2D* CAD
program that advertises as follows:
"DoubleCAD XT is an AutoCAD LT® work-alike. But free."
I can't attest to the "look-alike" claim, I have almost no experience
with AutoCAD, and even that was with a much older version. But it stands
to reason that they would TRY to make it similar enough to AutoCAD to
entice people to use it (and then buy their 3D "pro" product).
I've used DoubleCAD, some. It works. Barring getting AutoCAD somehow,
perhaps a free "sort-of-similar" program would get you started. It can
be downloaded here:
http://www.doublecad.com/DoubleCAD/DoubleCAD-XT-v5
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"Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote
> I've used DoubleCAD, some. It works. Barring getting AutoCAD somehow,
> perhaps a free "sort-of-similar" program would get you started. It can
> be downloaded here:
>
> http://www.doublecad.com/DoubleCAD/DoubleCAD-XT-v5
>
> Best of luck.
>
Thanks. I'll check it out.
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"Just Wondering" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/11/2014 3:49 PM, Morgans wrote:
>>
>> "Greg Guarino" <[email protected]> wrote
>>> I've used DoubleCAD, some. It works. Barring getting AutoCAD somehow,
>>> perhaps a free "sort-of-similar" program would get you started. It can
>>> be downloaded here:
>>> http://www.doublecad.com/DoubleCAD/DoubleCAD-XT-v5
>>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Thanks. I'll check it out.
>
> You can download AutoCAD 2015 for a 30 day free trial.
> http://www.autodesk.com/products/autodesk-autocad/free-trial?mktvar002=afc_wwm_amer_us_nc_autocad2014trial
>
> If that doesn't work, a search on "autocad free download" brings up
> several hits. One of them might get you what you need.
Yes, I had found the site, and the only thing is that I will need to use it
until July, so 30 days is not enough.
Thanks for posting the info, though.
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"John Kennerson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Both are 100% clean and work perfectly.
For being clean, it set off my virus protection 6 or so times. Not worth
the risk, nor is it worth getting caught by autodesk using an illegal copy,
if that is to be my livelihood in the future.
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On 4/14/2014 7:52 AM, John Kennerson wrote:
> "Morgans" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> "John Kennerson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Both are 100% clean and work perfectly.
>>
>> For being clean, it set off my virus protection 6 or so times.
>
> You obviously know absolutely nothing about downloading torrents and are too
> damn lazy to do any research. Let me guess, wanting instant gratification you
> simply clicked the Download icon instead of the small red horseshoe magnet,
> right?
>
> Both links posted earlier are absolutely clean.
> Sorry, you'll not get any further hand holding from me.
>
>> Not worth the risk, nor is it worth getting caught by autodesk using an illegal copy,
>> if that is to be my livelihood in the future.
>
> Are you actually stupid enough to believe you would be any less in violation of
> Autodesk's licensing agreement by "borrowing" a copy of acad from a participant
> of rec.woodworking than you would be with a pirated copy?
>
> No need to answer that, the fact you were stupid enough to ask in the first
> place speaks volumes about your intellectually challenged condition.
>
Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
"Leon" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
>Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
How so?
John Kennerson wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
>
> How so?
Really? Have you read your own posts?
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"Morgans" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
>"John Kennerson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Both are 100% clean and work perfectly.
>
>For being clean, it set off my virus protection 6 or so times.
You obviously know absolutely nothing about downloading torrents and are too
damn lazy to do any research. Let me guess, wanting instant gratification you
simply clicked the Download icon instead of the small red horseshoe magnet,
right?
Both links posted earlier are absolutely clean.
Sorry, you'll not get any further hand holding from me.
>Not worth the risk, nor is it worth getting caught by autodesk using an illegal copy,
>if that is to be my livelihood in the future.
Are you actually stupid enough to believe you would be any less in violation of
Autodesk's licensing agreement by "borrowing" a copy of acad from a participant
of rec.woodworking than you would be with a pirated copy?
No need to answer that, the fact you were stupid enough to ask in the first
place speaks volumes about your intellectually challenged condition.
On 4/14/2014 8:08 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 4/14/2014 7:52 AM, John Kennerson wrote:
>> Are you actually stupid enough to believe you would be any less in
>> violation of
>> Autodesk's licensing agreement by "borrowing" a copy of acad from a
>> participant
>> of rec.woodworking than you would be with a pirated copy?
> Joe some one new here you seem a bit too quick to judge.
Sorry to say, I actually agree with his basic premise.
For as long as I've know, AutoDesk specifically never has done anything
but "license" the use of their software, they do not "sell" it to you.
Borrowing a copy of copyrighted, and licensed software would be subject
to the restrictions in the license that the Lender/purchaser agreed to
when purchasing.
I thought it was pretty silly to publicly attempt to circumvent the
license by requesting to "borrow" the software ... that certainly showed
a total ignorance of the laws regarding copyright and software, if
nothing else.
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On 4/14/2014 8:06 PM, Morgans wrote:
> So if I came over to your house, if I used your computer and drew some
> stuff on your autodesk, your license would be void? How about if I
> borrowed your computer with the program on it for a few days, and then
> returned it? Void then, also?
No, none of the above would "void" the license or be illegal.
Why? Because it remained on the same machine, still compliant under the
terms of the purchasers license.
> How about if you were not planning to
> use your autodesk program for a few days, or months, and let me use it
> then I returned it. Nowhere did any money change hands, or was
> ownership transferred. Still voided?
Illegal (and prosecutable (especially if you were MSFT and it was a
corporate license), yes.
Why? Because the license for Autodesk, last time I looked, is specific
to one instance of use, on one machine.
In this day age, best to ask those kind of questions prior to publicly
attempting to violate a software license agreement ... you never know
who is watching. Tough to get a job in the tech industry with a software
copyright violation conviction on your record.
Not that I, or most of us, give a shit, but it is bad form, and does
show an ignorance of the legality of software use.
Sorry, to be the bearer of that bit of fact, but now you know.
I do sincerely hope that you find a solution to your problem, and
overcome that disability.
Contact AutoDesk and discuss your options with them. You might be
surprised, especially considering your track record of being a public
school teacher.
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
> I thought it was pretty silly to publicly attempt to circumvent the
> license by requesting to "borrow" the software ... that certainly showed a
> total ignorance of the laws regarding copyright and software, if nothing
> else.
So if I came over to your house, if I used your computer and drew some stuff
on your autodesk, your license would be void? How about if I borrowed your
computer with the program on it for a few days, and then returned it? Void
then, also? How about if you were not planning to use your autodesk program
for a few days, or months, and let me use it then I returned it. Nowhere
did any money change hands, or was ownership transferred. Still voided?
That's all I'm talking about, here. I'm not trying to get a copy and keep
it, or buy it. I want to BORROW it for a little while to see if I can put
out work professional enough to get a job doing it, then if I am good
enough, I will be getting my own legal, leased copy of the program, and
going to work using it.
See, I have time on my hands. I am totally disabled from a fall. I may
never return to work as a carpenter in any capacity again. I'm trying to
see what else I can do. I want to teach myself the program, and see if I
like the work. I have contracting and drafting experience. I thought
someone may have an autodesk laying around (perhaps a few versions old) that
I could use for a little while. No transfer of ownership. Gray enough to
be legal.
Sorry if I stirred up so much controversy. As far as being knowledgeable
in torrents, I'm not. Why was there a big download button if you are not
supposed to use it. A horseshow? Who knows that except one that plays in
torrents all of the time?
I even offered my own email address, so if someone wanted to help me out,
they could have zero exposure. I've been posting here for a good while, and
I think most will say that I have a solid history of being a reasonable
person. I knew it was a long shot, but I asked. I thought I had a copy of
the last autodesk that was put out without a flagged lease on it, which was
around 97 I think. I don't have it, unfortunately. I will have to go with
the 30 day trial, which is not ideal, due to the timing on my disability and
pending legal case, or try to go and sit through community college classes,
which is not ideal from a personal pain and comfort perspective. I will do
what I have to do, but I like gray better than pirated and red software, in
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Morgans wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> I thought it was pretty silly to publicly attempt to circumvent the
>> license by requesting to "borrow" the software ... that certainly
>> showed a total ignorance of the laws regarding copyright and
>> software, if nothing else.
>
> So if I came over to your house, if I used your computer and drew
> some stuff on your autodesk, your license would be void? How about
> if I borrowed your computer with the program on it for a few days,
> and then returned it? Void then, also? How about if you were not
> planning to use your autodesk program for a few days, or months, and
> let me use it then I returned it. Nowhere did any money change
> hands, or was ownership transferred. Still voided?
Come on Jim - you're brighter than that, as you have proven in this forum.
Read the license. The software is licenced to one computer - the license
does not care who the user is.
> That's all I'm talking about, here. I'm not trying to get a copy and
> keep it, or buy it. I want to BORROW it for a little while to see
> if I can put out work professional enough to get a job doing it, then
> if I am good enough, I will be getting my own legal, leased copy of
> the program, and going to work using it
That may seem ok to the average guy, but it is against the terms of the
license.
>
> See, I have time on my hands. I am totally disabled from a fall. I
> may never return to work as a carpenter in any capacity again. I'm
> trying to see what else I can do. I want to teach myself the
> program, and see if I like the work. I have contracting and drafting
> experience. I thought someone may have an autodesk laying around
> (perhaps a few versions old) that I could use for a little while. No
> transfer of ownership. Gray enough to be legal.
No such thing as grey enough to be legal. Not to say that someone might not
have a license laying around that they are not using, and that they might be
able to transfer to you, but in the strictest of terms, the license is what
the license is. A lot of people believe in honoring that kind of thing.
>
> Sorry if I stirred up so much controversy. As far as being
> knowledgeable in torrents, I'm not. Why was there a big download
> button if you are not supposed to use it. A horseshow? Who knows
> that except one that plays in torrents all of the time?
>
Ah - screw torerents. And - in my mind you didn't stir up any controversy.
You just asked a question. I see no problem in asking that question.
> I even offered my own email address, so if someone wanted to help me
> out, they could have zero exposure. I've been posting here for a
> good while, and I think most will say that I have a solid history of
> being a reasonable person.
Oh no - I would not go that far at all! You've never engaged in flame wars,
outright offended other posters, or even skewed a topic so that you could
take it to your own personal rant. That all by itself makes you somewhat
suspect... Not at all a reasonable person...
> I will have to go with the 30 day trial, which is not
> ideal, due to the timing on my disability and pending legal case, or
> try to go and sit through community college classes, which is not
> ideal from a personal pain and comfort perspective. I will do what I
> have to do, but I like gray better than pirated and red software, in
> any case.
Gray (grey) is no different than, and no better than pirated software. I
have to admit that I'm a bit hard on this line because I work in the
software industry, so I tend to lean pretty hard to one side.
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"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote>
> Oh no - I would not go that far at all! You've never engaged in flame
> wars, outright offended other posters, or even skewed a topic so that you
> could take it to your own personal rant. That all by itself makes you
> somewhat suspect... Not at all a reasonable person...
You got a true LoL on that one! I need to flame a little bit more to be
reasonable? <g>
> Gray (grey) is no different than, and no better than pirated software. I
> have to admit that I'm a bit hard on this line because I work in the
> software industry, so I tend to lean pretty hard to one side.
Yes, I do understand your position. I think you can see, I'm really not
trying to cheat anyone, and with my personal circumstances, my heart is in
the right place.
I think I'm going to go with the community college educational license. I
can use it for up to three years as I learn it. If it takes that long, I
will officially label myself as a "sometimers" patient. I guess I will see
how baad of a dog this computer is at running a demanding program like
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote
> In this day age, best to ask those kind of questions prior to publicly
> attempting to violate a software license agreement ... you never know who
> is watching. Tough to get a job in the tech industry with a software
> copyright violation conviction on your record.
That I am fully aware of. I don't want to go there.
> Contact AutoDesk and discuss your options with them. You might be
> surprised, especially considering your track record of being a public
> school teacher.
Good idea! I had not considered that route. Doubtful to work, but it can't
hurt to ask. Perhaps I will find someone there with a little extra heart!
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Swingman wrote:
> On 4/14/2014 4:57 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Probably the type that was taught to expect a trophy for
>> participating.
>
> Sunnavabitch! ... Bay Area Dave is back?!?!
>
> Where's Apeman when you need him? LOL
That just ain't right. You're a wise ass today, ain't ya? So good....
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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote >
> Back to the original subject...
>
> As you've already figured out by others, "borrowing" isn't an
> option. Licensing prevents that. If you *must* have ACAD your
> best choice would be to download a trial version. the other
> option would be to sign up for a class and get an education
> version with a timebomb.
That could be what I have to do. I posted a lengthy response a few minutes
ago, laying out my motivations and reasoning. Still, I will probably go the
education route if I have to.
> With that said I've downloaded a free version of progeCad and
> used it for several years. I'm a very light user but
> everything I attempted matched ACAD exactly. They no longer
> offer a free version and the download I have refuses to
> install on anything later that Vista but it could probably be
> hacked to install on a newer OS goven a little time and
> effort. If you were to decide it was worth the time it can be
> purchased for the reasonable cost of $499, 1/10th the cost of
> ACAD. You can find it at
> http://www.progesoft.com if you have any interest.
Unfortunately, I have an employer in mind, and working with them will
necessitate using the same program they are using, I believe. I am gong to
bookmark your link, though. Thanks. I only wish I had not lost my copy of
the old autodesk.
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"Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote
> Unfortunately, I have an employer in mind, and working with them will
> necessitate using the same program they are using, I believe. I am gong
> to bookmark your link, though. Thanks. I only wish I had not lost my
> copy of the old autodesk.
> --
>
I thought I would let everyone know how this all shook out. I decided to
bite the bullet, and sign up for a community college autocad class, and
download the three year educational program. It seems to run ok on my
current old and slow computer, but then again, I have not made it try to do
any serious rendering, or anything. Time will tell...
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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Morgans" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>>> Unfortunately, I have an employer in mind, and working with them will >
>>> necessitate using the same program they are using, I believe. I am gong
>>> > to bookmark your link, though. Thanks. I only wish I had not lost my
>>>> > copy of the old autodesk.
>>> -- >
>> I thought I would let everyone know how this all shook out. I decided to
>> bite the bullet, and sign up for a community college autocad class, and
>> download the three year educational program. It seems to run ok on my
>> current old and slow computer, but then again, I have not made it try to
>> do any serious rendering, or anything. Time will tell...
>>
>> Now it is time to study, learn and practice.
>
> Good luck..
Tanks.
I have an older set of text books and workbooks.
Anyone here on list consider themselves enough of an autodesk autocad expert
that I could ask a question once in a while if I get in a jam?
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In article <[email protected]>,
mungedaddress <[email protected]> wrote:
>Maybe try your local community college. I know years ago our local one
>taught a class.
>
>Maybe try sketch up as well.
I love Sketchup, use it all the time, but it's not really
professional software.
I took an Autodesk class at my local TechShop, and part of the
class price (cheap) included a student edition of AutoDesk. It
had a six-month time limit. Presumably, after six months you
will be as proficient as you're going to get, and now
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On 4/15/2014 7:45 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Swingman" wrote:
>
>>> Please don't feed the fucking troll
> -------------------------------------------
>
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> But I wanna,
>>
>> Please, purdy please?
> ------------------------------------------
> SFWIW, the troll is showing up on other usenet
> lists I monitor.
Yep, noticed that myself.
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Did you look in a.b.boneless or a.b.misc?
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014 18:08:57 -0400, "Morgans"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Seems I need to find a new career that does not involve lifting or climbing,
>after my near fatal fall. I'm thinking of getting back into using autocad
>autodesk, (barely learned some of it in the distant past) and need to see if
>I can become good enough to get hired by someone. I therefore need a
>version to work with, but at nearly 4K per copy, I would rather wait until I
>decide to for sure commit to it, before I but a 4K program and a 3K
>computer.
>
>Anyone got a copy of it around that I could borrow for 2 or 3 months? Any
>version would do, for now.
>
>If you are willing, contact me off list, at jsmorganatcharter.net since it
>is not legal to sell autodesk to a third party. I don't think there is a
>problem with borrowing, but it would be best to keep it below the table, me
>thinks.