in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
in the world
i have to guess that teak is a slow growing species so probably not much
so what is the state of the art in wood like products composite products
i know they have at least a few different kinds but i have not kept
up with the offerings
anyone on top of this
would think that the market for bug proof long lasting composite wood
products would be large
On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 4:04:53 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
> in the world
>
> i have to guess that teak is a slow growing species so probably not much
>
> so what is the state of the art in wood like products composite products
>
> i know they have at least a few different kinds but i have not kept
> up with the offerings
>
> anyone on top of this
>
> would think that the market for bug proof long lasting composite wood
> products would be large
Interesting brainstorm, EC. All I can say without a doubt is that whatever the answer is... we'll over harvest it and/or its components to the point of extinction!
Electric Comet <[email protected]> writes:
>
>in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
>in the world
A simple internet search (case insensitive, fortunately for you) will
provide you with the answer.
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:04:50 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
>in the world
>i have to guess that teak is a slow growing species so probably not much
>so what is the state of the art in wood like products composite products
>i know they have at least a few different kinds but i have not kept
>up with the offerings
>anyone on top of this
>would think that the market for bug proof long lasting composite wood
>products would be large
>
I feel bad about wasting mahogany scraps - wish I could think of
a re-purpose for the trim pieces and small baseboard - but it's
all quite thin ... I cringe a bit when throwing it in the fire.
.. not much good for true woodworking projects - but maybe crafty
things .. ? or toys .. ? dunno. Ideas welcome.
John T.
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 14:48:58 -0700, Electric Comet
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
>whit3rd <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There are woods in dire (extinction level) danger (pink ivory, among
>> the exotics, and American chestnut which used to be widely used).
>> But, regardless of species, wood has colors, grain, and both
>> large-scale and small-scale features. It has chatoyance (catches
>> the light like tiger-eye rock).
>
>something like teak usually finds its way into marine products
>decking railing etc
there's a lot of teak used in furniture too
>
>sure it looks good but i wonder if composites exist that would out
>perform that teak
stainless will last pretty well
>i would rather have something that lasts and is cheaper
trex lasts pretty well and is cheaper than teak
>> the 'finish' grades of wood are dull by comparison. Plywood and
>> composites are beyond dull.
>
>
>have seen some nice stuff made from ply
but not as nice as the real deal
replying to Electric Comet, Iggy wrote:
Nothing. The right wood used correctly for the job at hand is still and will
always be the best. Plastic's only knocked at the door of wood as it dried-out
and literally shattered and crumbled on its last breath. Plastic ain't Art,
it's a failed fart. But, the world's brightest morons continue to imagine
they'll beat nature. Sorry folks, but the frauds of science unknowingly and
long-ago crowned DNA of any and all sorts the smartest and most advanced
entity in the known and unknown universe.
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Some people are carvers. Carvers like wood. Mahogany scraps is
a wonderful find if clear and bug free.
Martin
On 10/22/2017 4:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:04:50 -0700, Electric Comet
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
>> in the world
>> i have to guess that teak is a slow growing species so probably not much
>> so what is the state of the art in wood like products composite products
>> i know they have at least a few different kinds but i have not kept
>> up with the offerings
>> anyone on top of this
>> would think that the market for bug proof long lasting composite wood
>> products would be large
>>
>
>
> I feel bad about wasting mahogany scraps - wish I could think of
> a re-purpose for the trim pieces and small baseboard - but it's
> all quite thin ... I cringe a bit when throwing it in the fire.
> .. not much good for true woodworking projects - but maybe crafty
> things .. ? or toys .. ? dunno. Ideas welcome.
> John T.
>
>
On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 1:04:53 PM UTC-7, Electric Comet wrote:
> in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
> in the world...
> would think that the market for bug proof long lasting composite wood
> products would be large
There are woods in dire (extinction level) danger (pink ivory, among the
exotics, and American chestnut which used to be widely used). But,
regardless of species, wood has colors, grain, and both large-scale
and small-scale features. It has chatoyance (catches the light
like tiger-eye rock).
So, in terms of objets d'art, wood will always be visually interesting.
The 'composite' products are, by comparison, somewhat flat and
boring. I like knotty pine for its rich visual features, the 'finish' grades
of wood are dull by comparison. Plywood and composites are beyond dull.
On 22-Oct-17 3:04 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>
> in the other thread about the teak table i wonder how much teak is left
> in the world
>
> i have to guess that teak is a slow growing species so probably not much
...
Most commercial teak these days is plantation-grown, not native
timber...as are many of the other hardwoods. Teak actually is one of
the more readily available.
--
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 22:18:36 -0700 (PDT)
whit3rd <[email protected]> wrote:
> There are woods in dire (extinction level) danger (pink ivory, among
> the exotics, and American chestnut which used to be widely used).
> But, regardless of species, wood has colors, grain, and both
> large-scale and small-scale features. It has chatoyance (catches
> the light like tiger-eye rock).
something like teak usually finds its way into marine products
decking railing etc
sure it looks good but i wonder if composites exist that would out
perform that teak
i would rather have something that lasts and is cheaper
> the 'finish' grades of wood are dull by comparison. Plywood and
> composites are beyond dull.
have seen some nice stuff made from ply
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:29:24 -0400
[email protected] wrote:
> I feel bad about wasting mahogany scraps - wish I could think of
> a re-purpose for the trim pieces and small baseboard - but it's
> all quite thin ... I cringe a bit when throwing it in the fire.
> .. not much good for true woodworking projects - but maybe crafty
> things .. ? or toys .. ? dunno. Ideas welcome.
depends on dimensions
could be used to spruce up a curio box or the like
or on a picture frame
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 01:44:07 GMTIggy wrote:
> Nothing. The right wood used correctly for the job at hand is still
> and will always be the best. Plastic's only knocked at the door of
> wood as it dried-out and literally shattered and crumbled on its last
natural wood is better in almost every way but that is not the point
the point is that many exotic hardwoods are depleted and in limited
supply
but in the building trade man made alternatives are in wide use and
the state of the art of their composition manufacture and uses are
interesting but i do not feel like i have kept up with the trends
materials science is going so fast now that it would not surprise me
to see or hear about amazing new techniques to create products that
can compete with natural wood
On 10/22/2017 9:44 PM, Iggy wrote:
> replying to Electric Comet, Iggy wrote:
> Nothing. The right wood used correctly for the job at hand is still and
> will
> always be the best. Plastic's only knocked at the door of wood as it
> dried-out
> and literally shattered and crumbled on its last breath. Plastic ain't Art,
> it's a failed fart. But, the world's brightest morons continue to imagine
> they'll beat nature. Sorry folks, but the frauds of science unknowingly and
> long-ago crowned DNA of any and all sorts the smartest and most advanced
> entity in the known and unknown universe.
>
Everything has a place. The Azec window trim that I'll never have to
paint is better than wood and looks just as good in use. No, I'd not
build a dining room table from it.
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017 22:44:09 GMT, Iggy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>replying to Ed Pawlowski, Iggy wrote:
>Sure, Azek and the like look great at the start (like everything else), but
>they haven't proven themselves to beat Black Locust, Ipe or Sassafras. All of
>which, remain solid for decades with no protection nor treatment and they can
>be completely renewed for another bunch of decades with sanding or planing.
>Azek can't do that and anything Azek-like, so far, eventually sags and has
>only an afterlife of landfill and not furniture that's good for centuries.
If it's going to be painted anyway, then how they look without paint
is irrelevant. And how well do ipe, black locust, and sassafras hold
paint anyway?
replying to J. Clarke, Iggy wrote:
They don't need paint nor anything else to last longer than plastic-composites
have currently lasted. Any wood takes paint and stain wonderfully, plastic
doesn't and must have color built-in. Which only fades as the entire plastic
structure deteriorates.
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 02:14:15 GMT, Iggy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>replying to J. Clarke, Iggy wrote:
>They don't need paint nor anything else to last longer than plastic-composites
>have currently lasted. Any wood takes paint and stain wonderfully, plastic
>doesn't and must have color built-in. Which only fades as the entire plastic
>structure deteriorates.
OK, Iggy, how much painted ipe have you personally maintained?
And how much painted plastic have you personally maintained?
And what is the form of "deterioration" for Azek trim?
On 10/24/2017 11:14 AM, Iggy wrote:
> What's your point? Has Azek or other composite, somehow, lasted
> 120-years for
> you? What's your actual experience? If the crap's so great in every way,
> then
> why aren't houses built out of it?
>
It is designed for trim and similar uses. It is not meant for
structural. I'd not expect a house to be built from it.
replying to J. Clarke, Iggy wrote:
Ipe? None. Though, I've painted most every other exterior grade wood and
they've lasted decades. Even my parent's outdoor Redwood (a softwood) deck is
45-years old and its only had Solid Stain applied 3-times, with the last time
being for just a color change.
>
I've painted a few exterior plastics and some interior laminates and got maybe
1-decade before they released themselves and rubbed right off. Completely
strip whatever by easily peeling it off by hand.
>
I don't know Azek's longevity, because it hasn't been around long. But, all of
the composites I've witnessed so far make it to about 20 or 25-years and they
get saggy (structural degradation) and very hairy or furry (deep oxidation).
Maybe Azek will prove better.
>
What's your point? Has Azek or other composite, somehow, lasted 120-years for
you? What's your actual experience? If the crap's so great in every way, then
why aren't houses built out of it?
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On Tue, 24 Oct 2017 15:14:02 GMT, Iggy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>replying to J. Clarke, Iggy wrote:
>Ipe? None.
I figured.
On 10/23/2017 6:44 PM, Iggy wrote:
> replying to Ed Pawlowski, Iggy wrote:
> Sure, Azek and the like look great at the start (like everything else), but
> they haven't proven themselves to beat Black Locust, Ipe or Sassafras.
> All of
> which, remain solid for decades with no protection nor treatment and
> they can
> be completely renewed for another bunch of decades with sanding or planing.
> Azek can't do that and anything Azek-like, so far, eventually sags and has
> only an afterlife of landfill and not furniture that's good for centuries.
>
I don't have to paint it and it will outlast me. What's not to like?
replying to Ed Pawlowski, Iggy wrote:
Yep, same thing with Black Locust, Ipe or Sassafras. However, I think longer
than just myself, a lot longer and think only Stainless Steel should replace
the outdoor uses of wood...and of course all plastics and plastic-composites.
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replying to Ed Pawlowski, Iggy wrote:
Sure, Azek and the like look great at the start (like everything else), but
they haven't proven themselves to beat Black Locust, Ipe or Sassafras. All of
which, remain solid for decades with no protection nor treatment and they can
be completely renewed for another bunch of decades with sanding or planing.
Azek can't do that and anything Azek-like, so far, eventually sags and has
only an afterlife of landfill and not furniture that's good for centuries.
--
for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodworking/what-is-the-state-of-the-art-in-wood-products-811500-.htm