Well we were talking about this in another thread but I thought I would
point it out here.
Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
Pros together. Unfortunately they don't show to offer the track
connectors by them selves.
So anyway the new set up has 3 track sections that will give you 96" of
measurements both in imperial or metric. They also include 4 stick
connectors, 4 regular adjustable edge marking tabs, 4 flush with surface
off set marking tabs, 2 calipers, and an end stop.
Until Feb 1, $99.99.
FWIW the 48" Story Stick Pro does not include connectors, calipers, or
the flush off set marking tabs and it sells for $60. Buying the
calipers and just the flush off set marking tabs would cost $40. So you
get a whole lot more bang for your buck by buying the Pro 96.
They are supposedly in stock and ready to ship. I already ordered one
this morning. Shipping is going to add $15.
I hardly build a piece of furniture with out pulling either my 48" or
24" Story Stick Pro out and I have been chomping at the bit to be able
to connect the sticks together. I find them especially useful for
setting up cuts on the TS in excess of 22" in length. They are also
great for setting up measurements on plywood for my track saw tracks.
Anyway I hope to be collecting my commission. ;~)
Here is the link.
http://www.woodpeck.com/sspro96.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpif.AYeoLw..AsR1LQ.b..l.BtDZ.n...DVmh2w&_bta_c=8nz2l8vo04gdky9iqdn5cnf3kjyqx
On 1/12/2016 1:17 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 1/12/2016 9:36 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Well we were talking about this in another thread but I thought I would
>> point it out here.
>>
>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>> Pros together. Unfortunately they don't show to offer the track
>> connectors by them selves.
>>
>> So anyway the new set up has 3 track sections that will give you 96" of
>> measurements both in imperial or metric. They also include 4 stick
>> connectors, 4 regular adjustable edge marking tabs, 4 flush with surface
>> off set marking tabs, 2 calipers, and an end stop.
>>
>> Until Feb 1, $99.99.
>>
>> FWIW the 48" Story Stick Pro does not include connectors, calipers, or
>> the flush off set marking tabs and it sells for $60. Buying the
>> calipers and just the flush off set marking tabs would cost $40. So you
>> get a whole lot more bang for your buck by buying the Pro 96.
>>
>> They are supposedly in stock and ready to ship. I already ordered one
>> this morning. Shipping is going to add $15.
>>
>> I hardly build a piece of furniture with out pulling either my 48" or
>> 24" Story Stick Pro out and I have been chomping at the bit to be able
>> to connect the sticks together. I find them especially useful for
>> setting up cuts on the TS in excess of 22" in length. They are also
>> great for setting up measurements on plywood for my track saw tracks.
>>
>> Anyway I hope to be collecting my commission. ;~)
>>
>> Here is the link.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/sspro96.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpif.AYeoLw..AsR1LQ.b..l.BtDZ.n...DVmh2w&_bta_c=8nz2l8vo04gdky9iqdn5cnf3kjyqx
>>
>>
>>
>
> Damn Leon, you could have taken some T Track and made one for a few
> bucks. What the heck man, you're a ww , make one.
>
I'm a bit busy building and selling furniture to be building a story
stick.... ;~) Sometimes it costs you money to save a little money.
These things are dead nuts accurate for transferring measurements and
setting a miter gauge fence to make a 72" or longer cut. I did make the
miter gauge fence extension however. ;~).
Unquestionably Confused <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 1/30/2016 5:40 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/30/2016 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> Ordered mine!
>>> I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Just in the nick of time! LOL
>>
>> I have used mine 2 times already.
>>
>> FWIW I have found that the 32" sections are a great size. I have 24"
>> and 48" too but prefer to use shorter if possible. So if I needed 26" I
>> had to pull out the 48" stick.
>
> Thanks for that. On the strength of your recommendation (thanks for
> that too, Leon) I ordered one as well. Unfortunately, I have to wait
> for the second run at the end of next month.
>
> I originally hoped to see that it was a 48" and then 2 24"'s. Nice to
> know that you think the 32" size hits the sweet spot.
>
> Anyways, late to get the order in and now I feel like Peanut's Linus
> waiting for that pretty little blond girl to give me a late Valentine<g>
>
>
If it makes you feel any better I ordered mine within a few hours of
receiving the email notice. A couple of hours after they were sold out and
the next shipment would be the same one you are waiting on. So those people
are really waiting a long time.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Well we were talking about this in another thread but I thought I
> would point it out here.
>
> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
> Pros together. Unfortunately they don't show to offer the track
> connectors by them selves.
>
> So anyway the new set up has 3 track sections that will give you 96"
> of measurements both in imperial or metric. They also include 4 stick
> connectors, 4 regular adjustable edge marking tabs, 4 flush with
> surface off set marking tabs, 2 calipers, and an end stop.
>
> Until Feb 1, $99.99.
>
> FWIW the 48" Story Stick Pro does not include connectors, calipers, or
> the flush off set marking tabs and it sells for $60. Buying the
> calipers and just the flush off set marking tabs would cost $40. So
> you get a whole lot more bang for your buck by buying the Pro 96.
>
> They are supposedly in stock and ready to ship. I already ordered one
> this morning. Shipping is going to add $15.
>
> I hardly build a piece of furniture with out pulling either my 48" or
> 24" Story Stick Pro out and I have been chomping at the bit to be able
> to connect the sticks together. I find them especially useful for
> setting up cuts on the TS in excess of 22" in length. They are also
> great for setting up measurements on plywood for my track saw tracks.
>
> Anyway I hope to be collecting my commission. ;~)
>
> Here is the link.
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/sspro96.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpif.AYeoLw
> ..AsR1LQ.b..l.BtDZ.n...DVmh2w&_bta_c=8nz2l8vo04gdky9iqdn5cnf3kjyqx
>
>
If you ever figure out you're rubbish at this whole woodworking thing...
You could go into tool sales. Maybe you and Swingman could produce full
length Tool Time episdoes. "I don't think so Leon." :-)
Puckdropper
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 1/12/2016 9:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>
>> If you ever figure out you're rubbish at this whole woodworking
>> thing... You could go into tool sales. Maybe you and Swingman could
>> produce full length Tool Time episdoes. "I don't think so Leon." :-)
>>
>> Puckdropper
>>
>
>
> But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
> verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
> down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
> times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
Perhaps you need something a little more compact?
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=65357&cat
This has to be my favorite Lee Valley product.
I wonder what those little connectors really are. They look simple
enough to make, but that thought often winds up costing me 3 times as
much as I figured, sometimes 4 when I go and buy the commercial product
I was trying to avoid. I've got a bit of aluminum & steel and a milling
machine... it might be interesting to try to make a connector.
Puckdropper
On 1/30/2016 5:40 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/30/2016 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> Ordered mine!
>> I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. :-)
>>
>>
> Just in the nick of time! LOL
>
> I have used mine 2 times already.
>
> FWIW I have found that the 32" sections are a great size. I have 24"
> and 48" too but prefer to use shorter if possible. So if I needed 26" I
> had to pull out the 48" stick.
Thanks for that. On the strength of your recommendation (thanks for
that too, Leon) I ordered one as well. Unfortunately, I have to wait
for the second run at the end of next month.
I originally hoped to see that it was a 48" and then 2 24"'s. Nice to
know that you think the 32" size hits the sweet spot.
Anyways, late to get the order in and now I feel like Peanut's Linus
waiting for that pretty little blond girl to give me a late Valentine<g>
On 1/19/2016 2:54 PM, Leon wrote:
> LOL....I forgot about you having the tool in the back ground. I use
> mine all the time. In fact the same can be said about those 3 items for
> me too.
IIRC, the same drug,,err tool dealer gave it to me ... LOL
Damn, Leon ... half my shop can be attributed to your largess/influence.
And, come to think about it, I wouldn't have a router table lift either.
Once again, Thank YOU ... Partner ... <g.d&r>
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tdacon <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 1/12/2016 1:00 PM, tdacon wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Leon" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>>> Pros together.
>>
>> Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge of a
>> sheet of plywood?
>>
>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various
>> lengths around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or
>> sand off the marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>
> To repeat what I said in another comment,,,
>
> But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
> verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
> down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
> times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
>
>
> Maybe I didn't make my point clear, Leon. I'm not debating tape measures
> versus story sticks. I just don't see the value of spending that kind of
> money to do the same job that my approach does almost for free.
>
> Tom
>
>
And perhaps I was not clear.
On 1/12/2016 7:03 PM, Swingman wrote:
> FWIW, Leon gave me one a few years ago, and, like the local drug dealer,
> set the hook on another addiction.
>
> (Unbeknownst to him I had already recently ordered the full monte model
> myself).
I mention the below because if you are had never used the original
device, you might have initially missed the importance of the part that
apparently has gone astray in delivery.
The new Woodpecker 96" Story Stick Pro was delivered today, or most of
it. I'd give you guys a review, except that the new "end stop", aka the
part that makes it much more valuable to me, was missing from the shipment.
Background: there are three essential marking devices without which I
simply can not/will not do any shop work. If I can't find any one of the
three, for any reason, I will quit doing anything at all until they are
located and within reach:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6241587443486299762
For my purposes, the new 96" Stick Stick Pro leverages, with regard to
precision "batch marking" to length, the two on the right.
It was WoodPecker's incorporation of the offset tabs, in conjunction
with their new "end stop", that made me realize its value for the way I
work, and why I ordered it in the first place.
Here's what came in the package today ... the end stop should have been
in the package with the bolts/screws:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6241587416491032802
Hopefully, won't have to wait until the end of February 2016 to put it
to work.
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On 1/15/2016 9:16 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/14/2016 10:11 PM, Leon wrote:
>> tdacon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2016 1:00 PM, tdacon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>>>>> Pros together.
>>>>
>>>> Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge
>>>> of a
>>>> sheet of plywood?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various
>>>> lengths around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or
>>>> sand off the marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>
>>> To repeat what I said in another comment,,,
>>>
>>> But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
>>> verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
>>> down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
>>> times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I didn't make my point clear, Leon. I'm not debating tape measures
>>> versus story sticks. I just don't see the value of spending that kind of
>>> money to do the same job that my approach does almost for free.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And perhaps I was not clear.
>>
>
>
>
> Hummmmm I thought I put more with that....
>
> Any way I have had these two Story Stick Pro's for 3~4 years and have
> always wanted a way to mate them for a longer distance.
> They are unique in that they give you an index edge to put your pencil
> against when placing marks, they can square up to t he material, they
> give you an indexing edge to place the cut side of a track saw track
> against rather than place a mark at both ends and align the track to the
> marks. They can be used to transfer, with adjustable indexing,
> measurements from an object to set the distance between the TS blade
> tooth and the TS fence. They can also do the same when setting up a
> length on a miter gauge fence stop.
>
> I guess the big difference between these and the a length of wood with
> marks on it is that these can be used to set tools up with out having to
> use a pencil. They can and are used as a very large set of calipers.
>
> The fact that they offer the movable stops is what makes them more
> accurate than simply using a story stick for me. And keep in mind that
> I do sell 90% of my work so increasing productivity speed in the shop
> always pays for it self.
Damn ... Had I known all that I would have ordered two.
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On 1/12/2016 7:03 PM, Swingman wrote:
> FWIW, Leon gave me one a few years ago, and, like the local drug dealer,
> set the hook on another addiction.
>
> (Unbeknownst to him I had already recently ordered the full monte model
> myself).
> I've found the smaller one I have to be much more handy and accurate
> than the traditional story stick for setting up repeat cuts, and
> particularly when used as a "bar gauge" for obtaining precise existing
> interior measurements, and then transferring that accurately to a fence
> setting.
>
> Since I always carry a couple of homemade bar gauges in the truck,
> because I use them constantly when adding and subtracting cabinets
> components in kitchens and baths, I find the story stick pro to be
> equally accurate, but a good deal more versatile:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6239069152270648914
>
>
> Also useful, and makes it much easier, to reset a tool setup for those
> times when you have to go back and redo a part.
>
> Because they are marked with both metric and imperial, it removes the
> necessity for doing imperial to metric conversions. which also makes it
> real handy on site for the initial setup, and as a periodic check,
> during batch cutting of cabinet parts with my TS75 track saw, and other
> metric tools, when I don't have access to a table saw and fence.
>
> And for furniture, when marking location of multiple mortises for
> spindles in chairs backs and table aprons/rails.
>
> Not a tool for everyone, but for someone who often has to make many
> repeat and varied measurements and transfer them as accurately as
> possible, particularly from existing cabinetry and furniture, definitely
> a time, and material, saving device.
>
Certainly not for every one but IMHO a bargain if you can use them in
the shop to save time and you have deadlines.
On 1/12/2016 9:36 AM, Leon wrote:
> Well we were talking about this in another thread but I thought I would
> point it out here.
>
> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
> Pros together. Unfortunately they don't show to offer the track
> connectors by them selves.
>
> So anyway the new set up has 3 track sections that will give you 96" of
> measurements both in imperial or metric. They also include 4 stick
> connectors, 4 regular adjustable edge marking tabs, 4 flush with surface
> off set marking tabs, 2 calipers, and an end stop.
>
> Until Feb 1, $99.99.
>
> FWIW the 48" Story Stick Pro does not include connectors, calipers, or
> the flush off set marking tabs and it sells for $60. Buying the
> calipers and just the flush off set marking tabs would cost $40. So you
> get a whole lot more bang for your buck by buying the Pro 96.
>
> They are supposedly in stock and ready to ship. I already ordered one
> this morning. Shipping is going to add $15.
>
> I hardly build a piece of furniture with out pulling either my 48" or
> 24" Story Stick Pro out and I have been chomping at the bit to be able
> to connect the sticks together. I find them especially useful for
> setting up cuts on the TS in excess of 22" in length. They are also
> great for setting up measurements on plywood for my track saw tracks.
>
> Anyway I hope to be collecting my commission. ;~)
>
> Here is the link.
>
> http://www.woodpeck.com/sspro96.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpif.AYeoLw..AsR1LQ.b..l.BtDZ.n...DVmh2w&_bta_c=8nz2l8vo04gdky9iqdn5cnf3kjyqx
>
>
Damn Leon, you could have taken some T Track and made one for a few
bucks. What the heck man, you're a ww , make one.
--
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On 1/15/2016 9:53 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 1/15/16 9:16 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/14/2016 10:11 PM, Leon wrote: Any way I have had these two Story
>> Stick Pro's for 3~4 years and have always wanted a way to mate them
>> for a longer distance. They are unique in that they give you an index
>> edge to put your pencil against when placing marks, they can square
>> up to t he material, they give you an indexing edge to place the cut
>> side of a track saw track against rather than place a mark at both
>> ends and align the track to the marks. They can be used to transfer,
>> with adjustable indexing, measurements from an object to set the
>> distance between the TS blade tooth and the TS fence. They can also
>> do the same when setting up a length on a miter gauge fence stop.
>>
>> I guess the big difference between these and the a length of wood
>> with marks on it is that these can be used to set tools up with out
>> having to use a pencil. They can and are used as a very large set of
>> calipers.
>>
>
> Dangit! You're about to cost me a hundred bucks.
>
> Transferring marks is most common error making procedure.
> Never measure what you can mark. I've had two occasions where otherwise
> "accomplished" woodworkers scoffed at me for taking a piece of trim from
> the pile to where its being installed, marking it to final dimension,
> then taking it back to the saw to be cut. Both times I was interrogated
> as to "why didn't you just use a tape measure?" After saying "never
> measure what you can mark" I usually follow up with, "you've heard the
> saying, 'measure once cut twice, measure twice cut once.' Well, I
> prefer to mark once, cut once."
>
> Those *SQUARE* indexing edges are worth the price, IMO. With a regular
> story pole, to get a square line to transfer a measurement, there are 3
> times when you can advance an error often allowing for it to be
> compounded. I love the idea of being able to "caliper" the
> measurement/marks straight from the work piece to the saw.
>
>
Yeah the indexing tabs "square up" on the bar.
In all seriousness my wife has helped me using the story stick pro's
when I had a ton of narrow pieces of plastic laminate to cut. When I
opened the e-mail and showed her the new Pro 96 she immediately told me
to order it. I absolutely expected to see a price north of $200.
Compared to some of their one time tools this set up is inexpensive.
And I might add that the 48 and 24 Pros do not come with the offset tabs
for on top of the panel marking nor the calipers.
On 1/19/2016 3:09 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/19/2016 2:54 PM, Leon wrote:
>> LOL....I forgot about you having the tool in the back ground. I use
>> mine all the time. In fact the same can be said about those 3 items for
>> me too.
>
> IIRC, the same drug,,err tool dealer gave it to me ... LOL
>
> Damn, Leon ... half my shop can be attributed to your largess/influence.
>
> And, come to think about it, I wouldn't have a router table lift either.
>
> Once again, Thank YOU ... Partner ... <g.d&r>
>
You simply can't keep tools like this a secret or to yourself. LOL
You have certainly returned the favor on many occasions..... Festool
parallel guides, blades, pencil scribes, electronic depth gauges,
sacrificial fence holders, and generally a lot of know-how. ;~0 Thank
you 2. Lardass my eye... LOL
FWIW, Leon gave me one a few years ago, and, like the local drug dealer,
set the hook on another addiction.
(Unbeknownst to him I had already recently ordered the full monte model
myself).
I've found the smaller one I have to be much more handy and accurate
than the traditional story stick for setting up repeat cuts, and
particularly when used as a "bar gauge" for obtaining precise existing
interior measurements, and then transferring that accurately to a fence
setting.
Since I always carry a couple of homemade bar gauges in the truck,
because I use them constantly when adding and subtracting cabinets
components in kitchens and baths, I find the story stick pro to be
equally accurate, but a good deal more versatile:
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6239069152270648914
Also useful, and makes it much easier, to reset a tool setup for those
times when you have to go back and redo a part.
Because they are marked with both metric and imperial, it removes the
necessity for doing imperial to metric conversions. which also makes it
real handy on site for the initial setup, and as a periodic check,
during batch cutting of cabinet parts with my TS75 track saw, and other
metric tools, when I don't have access to a table saw and fence.
And for furniture, when marking location of multiple mortises for
spindles in chairs backs and table aprons/rails.
Not a tool for everyone, but for someone who often has to make many
repeat and varied measurements and transfer them as accurately as
possible, particularly from existing cabinetry and furniture, definitely
a time, and material, saving device.
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On 1/30/2016 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> Ordered mine!
> I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. :-)
>
>
Just in the nick of time! LOL
I have used mine 2 times already.
FWIW I have found that the 32" sections are a great size. I have 24"
and 48" too but prefer to use shorter if possible. So if I needed 26" I
had to pull out the 48" stick.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 23:52:23 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 2/6/2016 6:30 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:11:34 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/6/2016 5:13 PM, krw wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:48:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First batch sold out on first day. Second batch ships at the end of
>>>>> February but if you still order before the end of the month you get the
>>>>> $20 discount.
>>>>
>>>> I ordered mine when I saw your post. It came today, so a bit earlier
>>>> than the end of the month. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great! I love the through set screw connectors. Well thought out.
>>
>> Haven't opened the box yet. Family is here from out of state, so
>> it'll probably be a couple of days (at least).
>>
>
>
>Ah! the suspense! LOL They really could teach Festool a thing or two
>about how to make those connectors.
Woodpeckers and Fesstool have a lot in common. Nice, well engineered
and manufactured products (at a nice, for them, price point ;).
On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:48:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>First batch sold out on first day. Second batch ships at the end of
>February but if you still order before the end of the month you get the
>$20 discount.
I ordered mine when I saw your post. It came today, so a bit earlier
than the end of the month. ;-)
On 1/12/2016 1:00 PM, tdacon wrote:
>
>
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>> Pros together.
>
> Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge of a
> sheet of plywood?
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various
> lengths around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or
> sand off the marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
>
> Tom
>
To repeat what I said in another comment,,,
But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
On 1/19/2016 2:13 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/12/2016 7:03 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> FWIW, Leon gave me one a few years ago, and, like the local drug dealer,
>> set the hook on another addiction.
>>
>> (Unbeknownst to him I had already recently ordered the full monte model
>> myself).
>
>
> I mention the below because if you are had never used the original
> device, you might have initially missed the importance of the part that
> apparently has gone astray in delivery.
>
> The new Woodpecker 96" Story Stick Pro was delivered today, or most of
> it. I'd give you guys a review, except that the new "end stop", aka the
> part that makes it much more valuable to me, was missing from the shipment.
>
> Background: there are three essential marking devices without which I
> simply can not/will not do any shop work. If I can't find any one of the
> three, for any reason, I will quit doing anything at all until they are
> located and within reach:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6241587443486299762
LOL....I forgot about you having the tool in the back ground. I use
mine all the time. In fact the same can be said about those 3 items for
me too.
On 1/15/2016 9:53 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> Dangit! You're about to cost me a hundred bucks.
Not to worry, you will be in the stellar, discerning company of members
with particularly exquisite taste in the arcane, but useful, tool, one
not normally appreciated by the unwashed, seething masses.
Welcome to the club ... Leon will issue your secret PIN for your
discount (and his commission) so be sure to use it.
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On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:51:55 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>Unquestionably Confused <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 1/30/2016 5:40 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2016 4:39 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> Ordered mine!
>>>> I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Just in the nick of time! LOL
>>>
>>> I have used mine 2 times already.
>>>
>>> FWIW I have found that the 32" sections are a great size. I have 24"
>>> and 48" too but prefer to use shorter if possible. So if I needed 26" I
>>> had to pull out the 48" stick.
>>
>> Thanks for that. On the strength of your recommendation (thanks for
>> that too, Leon) I ordered one as well. Unfortunately, I have to wait
>> for the second run at the end of next month.
>>
>> I originally hoped to see that it was a 48" and then 2 24"'s. Nice to
>> know that you think the 32" size hits the sweet spot.
>>
>> Anyways, late to get the order in and now I feel like Peanut's Linus
>> waiting for that pretty little blond girl to give me a late Valentine<g>
>>
>>
>
>If it makes you feel any better I ordered mine within a few hours of
>receiving the email notice. A couple of hours after they were sold out and
>the next shipment would be the same one you are waiting on. So those people
>are really waiting a long time.
>
I ordered mine about a week after you. I've never had trouble waiting
for Christmas morning. It used to piss off my brothers (all older)
that I'd stay in bed Christmas morning. ;-)
One Time Tools often take three months, so four or five weeks isn't a
problem. Though it's only a $20 incentive to order early.
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick Pros
>together.
Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge of a
sheet of plywood?
Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various lengths
around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or sand off the
marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
Tom
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 1/12/2016 1:00 PM, tdacon wrote:
>
>
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>> Pros together.
>
> Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge of a
> sheet of plywood?
>
> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various
> lengths around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or
> sand off the marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
>
> Tom
>
To repeat what I said in another comment,,,
But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
Maybe I didn't make my point clear, Leon. I'm not debating tape measures
versus story sticks. I just don't see the value of spending that kind of
money to do the same job that my approach does almost for free.
Tom
On 1/15/16 9:16 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/14/2016 10:11 PM, Leon wrote: Any way I have had these two Story
> Stick Pro's for 3~4 years and have always wanted a way to mate them
> for a longer distance. They are unique in that they give you an index
> edge to put your pencil against when placing marks, they can square
> up to t he material, they give you an indexing edge to place the cut
> side of a track saw track against rather than place a mark at both
> ends and align the track to the marks. They can be used to transfer,
> with adjustable indexing, measurements from an object to set the
> distance between the TS blade tooth and the TS fence. They can also
> do the same when setting up a length on a miter gauge fence stop.
>
> I guess the big difference between these and the a length of wood
> with marks on it is that these can be used to set tools up with out
> having to use a pencil. They can and are used as a very large set of
> calipers.
>
Dangit! You're about to cost me a hundred bucks.
Transferring marks is most common error making procedure.
Never measure what you can mark. I've had two occasions where otherwise
"accomplished" woodworkers scoffed at me for taking a piece of trim from
the pile to where its being installed, marking it to final dimension,
then taking it back to the saw to be cut. Both times I was interrogated
as to "why didn't you just use a tape measure?" After saying "never
measure what you can mark" I usually follow up with, "you've heard the
saying, 'measure once cut twice, measure twice cut once.' Well, I
prefer to mark once, cut once."
Those *SQUARE* indexing edges are worth the price, IMO. With a regular
story pole, to get a square line to transfer a measurement, there are 3
times when you can advance an error often allowing for it to be
compounded. I love the idea of being able to "caliper" the
measurement/marks straight from the work piece to the saw.
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On 1/13/2016 9:48 AM, Leon wrote:
> First batch sold out on first day.
Not surprised.
How much in commission did you get? ;)
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Ordered mine!
I feel like a kid waiting for Christmas. :-)
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For starters, kudos to Woodpecker for their customer service, it was
excellent. The missing part (end stop) arrived today, as promised, and
they stayed in touch with me all the way until delivery.
The unit is well engineered, all parts are machined to exacting
tolerances, and the fit and finish of parts and connectors is excellent.
Assembly is self explanatory, therefore no need for instructions.
Although a quick check with my favorite shop tape measure showed that
all of the measurements coincided perfectly the individual 3 32" length
units, I decided to take it on step further out to 96".
I use only one tape measure on a project, and I really to do want that
tape measure to coincide perfectly with the built-in tape on my table
saw fence. Same for any other measuring/setup devices.
With that in mind, and since measurements may not always be the case
with different tape measures/devices, I did a "calibration" of sorts to
insure that what is read independently on the project tape measure,
coincides exactly with the measurements on the story stick's three parts
when assembled.
That was a simple of matter marking lines at 12", 24" and 36" from one
end of a known square board with the project tape measure, then insuring
the end stop was installed in the exact spot necessary for the tape
measure marks to coincide with the same measurements on the story stick.
Simple matter to carry it all the way down if need be, but that was not
necessary. Granted a bit anal, but whatever precision measurement takes.
https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6242369666626679618
<scroll to RIGHT for next four pics>
All in all, pleased with the product. And particularly pleased with the
way the solid connectors aligned the individual 3, 32" story sticks.
Very much like the Festool guide rails, the precision of all parts is
built-in.
If you already have the WoodPecker story stick, rest assured all parts
are interchangeable, allowing you to leverage what you already own.
If I could have my druthers, I would prefer the end stop be of metal
instead of plastic, but that is a very minor issue. Just take care with it.
Many ways to use the tool, so let your imagination be your guide. Just
for grins, I set it up to cut multiple, exact length parts from one 8'
tubafour, taking into account the saw blade kerf ... marking the next
147 tubafours just means moving the story stick. :)
Be glad to answer any questions.
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On 2/6/2016 6:30 PM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:11:34 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> On 2/6/2016 5:13 PM, krw wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:48:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> First batch sold out on first day. Second batch ships at the end of
>>>> February but if you still order before the end of the month you get the
>>>> $20 discount.
>>>
>>> I ordered mine when I saw your post. It came today, so a bit earlier
>>> than the end of the month. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>
>> Great! I love the through set screw connectors. Well thought out.
>
> Haven't opened the box yet. Family is here from out of state, so
> it'll probably be a couple of days (at least).
>
Ah! the suspense! LOL They really could teach Festool a thing or two
about how to make those connectors.
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:11:34 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>On 2/6/2016 5:13 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:48:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> First batch sold out on first day. Second batch ships at the end of
>>> February but if you still order before the end of the month you get the
>>> $20 discount.
>>
>> I ordered mine when I saw your post. It came today, so a bit earlier
>> than the end of the month. ;-)
>>
>
>
>Great! I love the through set screw connectors. Well thought out.
Haven't opened the box yet. Family is here from out of state, so
it'll probably be a couple of days (at least).
On 1/12/2016 8:03 PM, Swingman wrote:
> FWIW, Leon gave me one a few years ago, and, like the local drug dealer,
> set the hook on another addiction.
>
> (Unbeknownst to him I had already recently ordered the full monte model
> myself).
>
> I've found the smaller one I have to be much more handy and accurate
> than the traditional story stick for setting up repeat cuts, and
> particularly when used as a "bar gauge" for obtaining precise existing
> interior measurements, and then transferring that accurately to a fence
> setting.
>
> Since I always carry a couple of homemade bar gauges in the truck,
> because I use them constantly when adding and subtracting cabinets
> components in kitchens and baths, I find the story stick pro to be
> equally accurate, but a good deal more versatile:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJigsFixturesMethods?noredirect=1#6239069152270648914
>
>
> Also useful, and makes it much easier, to reset a tool setup for those
> times when you have to go back and redo a part.
>
> Because they are marked with both metric and imperial, it removes the
> necessity for doing imperial to metric conversions. which also makes it
> real handy on site for the initial setup, and as a periodic check,
> during batch cutting of cabinet parts with my TS75 track saw, and other
> metric tools, when I don't have access to a table saw and fence.
>
> And for furniture, when marking location of multiple mortises for
> spindles in chairs backs and table aprons/rails.
>
> Not a tool for everyone, but for someone who often has to make many
> repeat and varied measurements and transfer them as accurately as
> possible, particularly from existing cabinetry and furniture, definitely
> a time, and material, saving device.
>
Oh nooooo Mr. Bill...
--
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On 1/14/2016 10:11 PM, Leon wrote:
> tdacon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Leon" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On 1/12/2016 1:00 PM, tdacon wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>>>> Pros together.
>>>
>>> Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge of a
>>> sheet of plywood?
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various
>>> lengths around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or
>>> sand off the marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>
>> To repeat what I said in another comment,,,
>>
>> But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
>> verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
>> down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
>> times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
>>
>>
>> Maybe I didn't make my point clear, Leon. I'm not debating tape measures
>> versus story sticks. I just don't see the value of spending that kind of
>> money to do the same job that my approach does almost for free.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>
> And perhaps I was not clear.
>
Hummmmm I thought I put more with that....
Any way I have had these two Story Stick Pro's for 3~4 years and have
always wanted a way to mate them for a longer distance.
They are unique in that they give you an index edge to put your pencil
against when placing marks, they can square up to t he material, they
give you an indexing edge to place the cut side of a track saw track
against rather than place a mark at both ends and align the track to the
marks. They can be used to transfer, with adjustable indexing,
measurements from an object to set the distance between the TS blade
tooth and the TS fence. They can also do the same when setting up a
length on a miter gauge fence stop.
I guess the big difference between these and the a length of wood with
marks on it is that these can be used to set tools up with out having to
use a pencil. They can and are used as a very large set of calipers.
The fact that they offer the movable stops is what makes them more
accurate than simply using a story stick for me. And keep in mind that
I do sell 90% of my work so increasing productivity speed in the shop
always pays for it self.
On 1/13/2016 11:41 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 1/12/2016 9:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>>
>>> If you ever figure out you're rubbish at this whole woodworking
>>> thing... You could go into tool sales. Maybe you and Swingman could
>>> produce full length Tool Time episdoes. "I don't think so Leon." :-)
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>>
>>
>> But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
>> verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
>> down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
>> times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
>
> Perhaps you need something a little more compact?
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=65357&cat
>
> This has to be my favorite Lee Valley product.
That is still basically a tape measure and inherently has the same
problems as a tape measure that I have gotten away from when possible.
The end clip gradually slips or doesn't always slip or gets bent. And
marks on the measure do not give you a 90 degree edge to mark against.
And I have specific needs to be be able to quickly repeat cuts, set up
the miter gauge for long length cuts that are exact. The story stick
Pro enables me to do that over and over.
I do use an Incra miter gauge with the mid size fence but cuts over 22"
long I have to double check measurement stop settings. Shorter than 22"
and the Incra is dead on accurate. I almost pulled the trigger on the
50" Incra miter fence but decided against that luxury and it would tip
off the left side of the saw.
>
> I wonder what those little connectors really are. They look simple
> enough to make, but that thought often winds up costing me 3 times as
> much as I figured, sometimes 4 when I go and buy the commercial product
> I was trying to avoid. I've got a bit of aluminum & steel and a milling
> machine... it might be interesting to try to make a connector.
>
> Puckdropper
>
If you are talking about the story Stick Pro, my guess aluminum. But
maybe /hopefully steel. I would have made them too but most likely out
of Ipe or the like. But again the new Story stick addresses a few more
of my wishes, more multiple set ups used along side my 48" and 24" models.
FWIW I did find that Woodpeckers does sell the connectors seperately but
you have to go to the older Story Stick Pro accessoies page. That was
probably by design to prompt sales of the 96" models.
Anyway they are $20 a pair.
I would have bought the couplings and the new offset for field marking
tabs, 4 per pack at $20. But for and extra $60 I get it all.
On 1/12/2016 9:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Well we were talking about this in another thread but I thought I
>> would point it out here.
>>
>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>> Pros together. Unfortunately they don't show to offer the track
>> connectors by them selves.
>>
>> So anyway the new set up has 3 track sections that will give you 96"
>> of measurements both in imperial or metric. They also include 4 stick
>> connectors, 4 regular adjustable edge marking tabs, 4 flush with
>> surface off set marking tabs, 2 calipers, and an end stop.
>>
>> Until Feb 1, $99.99.
>>
>> FWIW the 48" Story Stick Pro does not include connectors, calipers, or
>> the flush off set marking tabs and it sells for $60. Buying the
>> calipers and just the flush off set marking tabs would cost $40. So
>> you get a whole lot more bang for your buck by buying the Pro 96.
>>
>> They are supposedly in stock and ready to ship. I already ordered one
>> this morning. Shipping is going to add $15.
>>
>> I hardly build a piece of furniture with out pulling either my 48" or
>> 24" Story Stick Pro out and I have been chomping at the bit to be able
>> to connect the sticks together. I find them especially useful for
>> setting up cuts on the TS in excess of 22" in length. They are also
>> great for setting up measurements on plywood for my track saw tracks.
>>
>> Anyway I hope to be collecting my commission. ;~)
>>
>> Here is the link.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/sspro96.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpif.AYeoLw
>> ..AsR1LQ.b..l.BtDZ.n...DVmh2w&_bta_c=8nz2l8vo04gdky9iqdn5cnf3kjyqx
>>
>>
>
> If you ever figure out you're rubbish at this whole woodworking thing...
> You could go into tool sales. Maybe you and Swingman could produce full
> length Tool Time episdoes. "I don't think so Leon." :-)
>
> Puckdropper
>
But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
On 1/12/2016 9:13 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Well we were talking about this in another thread but I thought I
>> would point it out here.
>>
>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story Stick
>> Pros together. Unfortunately they don't show to offer the track
>> connectors by them selves.
>>
>> So anyway the new set up has 3 track sections that will give you 96"
>> of measurements both in imperial or metric. They also include 4 stick
>> connectors, 4 regular adjustable edge marking tabs, 4 flush with
>> surface off set marking tabs, 2 calipers, and an end stop.
>>
>> Until Feb 1, $99.99.
>>
>> FWIW the 48" Story Stick Pro does not include connectors, calipers, or
>> the flush off set marking tabs and it sells for $60. Buying the
>> calipers and just the flush off set marking tabs would cost $40. So
>> you get a whole lot more bang for your buck by buying the Pro 96.
>>
>> They are supposedly in stock and ready to ship. I already ordered one
>> this morning. Shipping is going to add $15.
>>
>> I hardly build a piece of furniture with out pulling either my 48" or
>> 24" Story Stick Pro out and I have been chomping at the bit to be able
>> to connect the sticks together. I find them especially useful for
>> setting up cuts on the TS in excess of 22" in length. They are also
>> great for setting up measurements on plywood for my track saw tracks.
>>
>> Anyway I hope to be collecting my commission. ;~)
>>
>> Here is the link.
>>
>> http://www.woodpeck.com/sspro96.html?_bta_tid=3.AIdT.CBalag.Fpif.AYeoLw
>> ..AsR1LQ.b..l.BtDZ.n...DVmh2w&_bta_c=8nz2l8vo04gdky9iqdn5cnf3kjyqx
>>
>>
>
> If you ever figure out you're rubbish at this whole woodworking thing...
> You could go into tool sales. Maybe you and Swingman could produce full
> length Tool Time episdoes. "I don't think so Leon." :-)
>
> Puckdropper
>
;~) Rubbish? Are you Brit-ish?
On 2/6/2016 5:13 PM, krw wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 09:48:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> First batch sold out on first day. Second batch ships at the end of
>> February but if you still order before the end of the month you get the
>> $20 discount.
>
> I ordered mine when I saw your post. It came today, so a bit earlier
> than the end of the month. ;-)
>
Great! I love the through set screw connectors. Well thought out.
On 1/15/2016 10:23 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/15/2016 9:16 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/14/2016 10:11 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> tdacon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> On 1/12/2016 1:00 PM, tdacon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Leon" wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Woodpeckers has come out, finally, with a method to attach Story
>>>>>> Stick
>>>>>> Pros together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything wrong with just a pencil and a few strips cut off the edge
>>>>> of a
>>>>> sheet of plywood?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I'm missing something here, but I keep a few scraps of various
>>>>> lengths around to make story sticks out of. Afterwards I just erase or
>>>>> sand off the marks and put them back in the stack for the next job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To repeat what I said in another comment,,,
>>>>
>>>> But in all seriousness. I only try to use a tape measure for
>>>> verification, never for layout. So currently I lay my 4' story stick
>>>> down and the 24" at the end of that or any of my steel rules. Some
>>>> times I have 3 rules laid end to end. ;~)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I didn't make my point clear, Leon. I'm not debating tape
>>>> measures
>>>> versus story sticks. I just don't see the value of spending that
>>>> kind of
>>>> money to do the same job that my approach does almost for free.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And perhaps I was not clear.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hummmmm I thought I put more with that....
>>
>> Any way I have had these two Story Stick Pro's for 3~4 years and have
>> always wanted a way to mate them for a longer distance.
>> They are unique in that they give you an index edge to put your pencil
>> against when placing marks, they can square up to t he material, they
>> give you an indexing edge to place the cut side of a track saw track
>> against rather than place a mark at both ends and align the track to the
>> marks. They can be used to transfer, with adjustable indexing,
>> measurements from an object to set the distance between the TS blade
>> tooth and the TS fence. They can also do the same when setting up a
>> length on a miter gauge fence stop.
>>
>> I guess the big difference between these and the a length of wood with
>> marks on it is that these can be used to set tools up with out having to
>> use a pencil. They can and are used as a very large set of calipers.
>>
>> The fact that they offer the movable stops is what makes them more
>> accurate than simply using a story stick for me. And keep in mind that
>> I do sell 90% of my work so increasing productivity speed in the shop
>> always pays for it self.
>
> Damn ... Had I known all that I would have ordered two.
>
You think Betterly makes a tool like the one for the track saw track
for this? LOL NOT!
On 1/15/2016 10:19 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/15/2016 9:53 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> Dangit! You're about to cost me a hundred bucks.
>
> Not to worry, you will be in the stellar, discerning company of members
> with particularly exquisite taste in the arcane, but useful, tool, one
> not normally appreciated by the unwashed, seething masses.
Now that was a mouth full.
>
> Welcome to the club ... Leon will issue your secret PIN for your
> discount (and his commission) so be sure to use it.
>
Yeah! LOL