Avoiding an end-grain glue up?

Use verneer plywood for the lid?

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:14:10 -0600, "mttt" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Am I right in assuming that I want to avoid gluing the hardwood band to the
>edge grain of the oak lid?

Yes, not because of end-grain glue-ups being weak, but because it's
nearly a foot long and moisture-based movement will be enough to break
it.

Look at making a frame and panel structure. The ends get their
strength from being attached to the other frame members, and the panel
floats in a groove.

On the side grain to end grain you can do a mortise and tenon joint.
Make a long slot in the edge band and rabbit top and bottom edges of
the top. This gives you great face to face grain gluing inside the
joint. You can add one or two pins (dowels) on the bottom side but I
would only put one at the center or two an inch off center each. You
could even slot the internal holes in the tenon to allow for movement
and put them farther out.

Use yellow glue (it is flexible) and with the glue at the miters this
will be very strong. You could also do a spline or loose tenon (a home
made biscuit joint) at the miters and make this thing bullet proof.

The edge grain to end grain like this is very common in furniture
making and is called bread boarding.

BW

"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> So, I'm tinkering with what's essentially going to be a lid on a box.
>
> The lid is 3/4" oak about 11x17". Due to a screw-up, I've decided I'd like
> to surround the lid with about a 1" or 1.5" hardwood band/edging of a
> contrasting color. Mebbe' using some mahogany or maple scraps. Gonna try to
> mitre the corners too. I figure if it's gaudy enough, it'll distract them
> from seeing the eighty-eight other mistakes.
>
> Since I'm (1) a royal newbie and (2) pretty much an idiot -- I'm thinking
> two of the four edges will be long to long grain glue ups and the other two
> will be end grain to long grain.
>
> I don't own a Bizz-cut Joiner and would prefer to put off that purchase for
> another couple of months. I do own a simple dowel jig.
>
> Am I right in assuming that I want to avoid gluing the hardwood band to the
> edge grain of the oak lid? Or will it be OK? And is it only end to end
> grain glue ups to avoid? If I should avoid this - would a couple of dowels
> add sufficient strength to the joint?
>
> Or is now the perfect time to admit failure, sell all of the tools and take
> up skeet shooting?
>
> Muchas Thanks!
> mttt - More Tools Than Talent

I have done this numerous times and have yet to ecperience failure.
One way would be dado slot in banding and tenon on ends of the
top/lid. Dowels certainly would work but I found them too
unforgiving.

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 17:14:10 -0600, "mttt" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Am I right in assuming that I want to avoid gluing the hardwood band to the
>edge grain of the oak lid? Or will it be OK? And is it only end to end
>grain glue ups to avoid? If I should avoid this - would a couple of dowels
>add sufficient strength to the joint?

"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> So, I'm tinkering with what's essentially going to be a lid on a box.
>
> The lid is 3/4" oak about 11x17". Due to a screw-up, I've decided I'd
like
> to surround the lid with about a 1" or 1.5" hardwood band/edging of a
> contrasting color. Mebbe' using some mahogany or maple scraps. Gonna
try to
> mitre the corners too. I figure if it's gaudy enough, it'll distract
them
> from seeing the eighty-eight other mistakes.
<snip>

Your oak panel is going to move ~1/4" seasonally. You would be better
off turning it into a floating panel inside a frame.