JJ

21/03/2006 4:11 PM

NOT TOO OT - Got Another Wood Hauler

The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
not. Can't see anything loose, or that looks like it is getting beaten
on. So, started checking one of the local bargain papers. And, hit
paydirt.

Found, and bought, a nice 1978 Chevrolet El Camino. I've long
wanted one, not that particular year, I'd have preferred a 1972-73, but
any year would have done. It desperately needs a paint job, but ony
surface rust, no rust holes - the prior owner had left it sitting
outdoors, not running, for 10 years, and didn't touch it. The headliner
is out. The dash is seriously cracked. I had to replace the mast4er
cylinder, and have the brakes bled. It has IROC wheels, which I think
pretty much suck, but the older kid suggested we paint them white, and I
think that will look OK. The rear gears are only 2:43-1.

The good part is: Everything works - even the clock. Only one
dent, in the front of the passenger front fender. The guy has all the
missing trim, and the kid is supposed to pick it up for me.

The great part is: A rebuilt engine (someone swapped out the
original 350, and replaced it with a 307), new Vortec heads and intake
manifold, new Edelbrock 650 carburetor, new alternator, new air
conditioning compressor, mild Crane cam, new radiator, new hoses, new
belts, new shocks, new tires, new tie rods, and the list goes on, and
the guy supplied receipts for everything. All the chrome is great. The
body is absolutely straight. The guy says it knocks down 18-20 MPG. It
handles absolutely great. It has true duals, and the sound is really
great.

The guy was ssking $1500, and I kinda screwed up in letting the son
do the bargaining, instead of me. He got it knocked down to $1300 - I
think I coulda got it down to $1200. But, the $1300 would have been
without the new Sony radio-CD player, with two speakers behind the seat.
It would have cost me at least $100 for another radio, plus the hassle
of installing it. So, thre final price was $1400. If I'd gotten a
vehiicle, and had all that done to it, the cost would probably cost at
least twice the $1400 I paid, not including whatever it would cost for
just the vehicle. The guy is single, and has too many toys takng money,
that he had to get rid of this one - he only used it as a parts hauler.
His loss, my gain. I'm still not sure if I'd cound this as a gloat,
warm fuzzy, or a neener. Whatever it is, it is definitely making me
happy. The guy said I was the third guy that called about it, and the
only one that looked at it. I saw another, in the same bargain paper,
listed at $3500.

Remember, check your local bargain papers. And, anyone in central
NC, wanting a 1979 GMC pickup, let me know - I'm ready to sell mine.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax


This topic has 32 replies

LL

"Limey Lurker"

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

21/03/2006 2:18 PM

It sounds to me, a Brit, that you are one jammy bastard! (probably the
highest accolade we can endow) Enjoy!

JJ

in reply to "Limey Lurker" on 21/03/2006 2:18 PM

22/03/2006 7:36 AM

Tue, Mar 21, 2006, 2:18pm (EST-3) [email protected]
(Limey=A0Lurker) doth sayeth:
It sounds to me, a Brit, that you are one jammy bastard! (probably the
highest accolade we can endow) Enjoy!

One of the things I like about the Brits is your sterling command
of the English language. LOL If you're ever in the area stop by for a
ride.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

jj

jo4hn

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

22/03/2006 12:35 PM

skeezics wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:11:15 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
> wrote:
>
>
>> The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
>>developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
>>fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
>>while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
>>not. Can't see anything loose, or that looks like it is getting beaten
>>on. So, started checking one of the local bargain papers. And, hit
>>paydirt.
>>
>> Found, and bought, a nice 1978 Chevrolet El Camino. I've long
>>wanted one, not that particular year, I'd have preferred a 1972-73, but
>>any year would have done. It desperately needs a paint job, but ony
>>surface rust, no rust holes - the prior owner had left it sitting
>>outdoors, not running, for 10 years, and didn't touch it. The headliner
>>is out. The dash is seriously cracked. I had to replace the mast4er
>>cylinder, and have the brakes bled. It has IROC wheels, which I think
>>pretty much suck, but the older kid suggested we paint them white, and I
>>think that will look OK. The rear gears are only 2:43-1.
>>
>> The good part is: Everything works - even the clock. Only one
>>dent, in the front of the passenger front fender. The guy has all the
>>missing trim, and the kid is supposed to pick it up for me.
>>
>> The great part is: A rebuilt engine (someone swapped out the
>>original 350, and replaced it with a 307), new Vortec heads and intake
>>manifold, new Edelbrock 650 carburetor, new alternator, new air
>>conditioning compressor, mild Crane cam, new radiator, new hoses, new
>>belts, new shocks, new tires, new tie rods, and the list goes on, and
>>the guy supplied receipts for everything. All the chrome is great. The
>>body is absolutely straight. The guy says it knocks down 18-20 MPG. It
>>handles absolutely great. It has true duals, and the sound is really
>>great.
>>
>> The guy was ssking $1500, and I kinda screwed up in letting the son
>>do the bargaining, instead of me. He got it knocked down to $1300 - I
>>think I coulda got it down to $1200. But, the $1300 would have been
>>without the new Sony radio-CD player, with two speakers behind the seat.
>>It would have cost me at least $100 for another radio, plus the hassle
>>of installing it. So, thre final price was $1400. If I'd gotten a
>>vehiicle, and had all that done to it, the cost would probably cost at
>>least twice the $1400 I paid, not including whatever it would cost for
>>just the vehicle. The guy is single, and has too many toys takng money,
>>that he had to get rid of this one - he only used it as a parts hauler.
>>His loss, my gain. I'm still not sure if I'd cound this as a gloat,
>>warm fuzzy, or a neener. Whatever it is, it is definitely making me
>>happy. The guy said I was the third guy that called about it, and the
>>only one that looked at it. I saw another, in the same bargain paper,
>>listed at $3500.
>>
>> Remember, check your local bargain papers. And, anyone in central
>>NC, wanting a 1979 GMC pickup, let me know - I'm ready to sell mine.
>>
>>
>>
>>JOAT
>>You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
>>"know"?.
>>- Granny Weatherwax
>
>
> good score! on the old one check the motor mounts. one may be broke or
> worn out. this will cause the motor when under power to raise a bit
> and hit the fan hits the shroud. or not! lol
>
> skeez
My sentiments exactly. This does sound like a motor mount problem.
j4

JJ

in reply to jo4hn on 22/03/2006 12:35 PM

22/03/2006 6:25 PM


Re: NOT TOO OT - Got Another Wood Hauler

Group: rec.woodworking Date: Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 12:35pm (EST-3)
[email protected] (jo4hn) does join in saying:
My sentiments exactly. This does sound like a motor mount problem. =A0
=A0 =A0 j4

Well, since two of you are saying it, Ill check it out.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

pm

"patrick mitchel"

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

21/03/2006 10:36 PM


> "J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
> > developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
> > fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
> > while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
> > not.
Might also want to check the tires for a possible but not visible
delamination. Had one on my 85 toyota truck. Drove me nuts looking for the
source. Pat

JJ

in reply to "patrick mitchel" on 21/03/2006 10:36 PM

22/03/2006 6:13 PM

Tue, Mar 21, 2006, 10:36pm (EST-3) [email protected]
(patrick=A0mitchel) doth sayeth:
Might also want to check the tires for a possible but not visible
delamination. Had one on my 85 toyota truck. Drove me nuts looking for
the source. Pat

Tires are new enough that shouldn't be a problem. But, I'll check
anyway.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

WB

"Wood Butcher"

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

21/03/2006 4:31 PM

I had that kind of noise years ago on an old truck.
Turned out to be one of the belts. It looked ok
when not running but had a piece which stuck out
and occasionally whacked something when it was
running.

Art

"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
> developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
> fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
> while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
> not.

JJ

in reply to "Wood Butcher" on 21/03/2006 4:31 PM

22/03/2006 7:50 AM

Tue, Mar 21, 2006, 4:31pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Wood=A0Butcher) doth
sayeth:
I had that kind of noise years ago on an old truck. Turned out to be one
of the belts. It looked ok when not running but had a piece which stuck
out and occasionally whacked something when it was running.

A couple of years ago, sounded a similar noise, but louder. Turned
out the belt on one of the tires had separated, and there was about a
two foot piece hanging off the tire, and slamming the fender everytime
the tire rotated. I happened to have to hacksaw, and cut it short, and
as I was only about a mile from home, slowly drove it home (somehow it
lasted that long), and changed the tire at home/

Nothing like that this time. And, it can't be a belt, because it
only makes the noise when the truck is moving. Strange. Anyway, the
truck has enough other problems, it's not really cost effective to get
it back on the road, if it's gonna take much money to do so. Engine is
runs great, so trying to figure out how to use it. Transmission also
great, and think the younger son might be wanting to get that for his
van. I'd llike to chop the frame at the back of the cab, then make a
trailer out of the bed, then scrap the rest. But, before I do any of
that, now that I've got my transportation problem solved, I'll have the
peace of mind to spend a bit of time seeing if I can find whatever. If
I can, and it can be easily (inexpensively) repaired, it'd be a good
beater truck for someone, and I'll sell it.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

ER

Enoch Root

in reply to "Wood Butcher" on 21/03/2006 4:31 PM

22/03/2006 9:16 AM

J T wrote:

> A couple of years ago, sounded a similar noise, but louder.

So it's tied to the wheel rpm and not the engine rpm? I know, obvious,
but I don't see it in the description.

er
--
email not valid

JJ

in reply to Enoch Root on 22/03/2006 9:16 AM

22/03/2006 6:18 PM

Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 9:16am (EST-3) [email protected] (Enoch=A0Root)
queries:
So it's tied to the wheel rpm and not the engine rpm? I know, obvious,
but I don't see it in the description.

Yep, only when moving. And, not 100% of the time. Very confusing. =




JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

md

mac davis

in reply to "Wood Butcher" on 21/03/2006 4:31 PM

22/03/2006 8:17 AM

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 07:50:02 -0500, [email protected] (J T) wrote:

> Anyway, the truck has enough other problems, it's not really cost effective to get it back on the road, if it's gonna take much money to do so. Engine is
>runs great, so trying to figure out how to use it. Transmission also great, and think the younger son might be wanting to get that for his van.

hmm... GMC powered mobile band saw? *g*

Have fun with the El Camino, bro.. sounds like a "cool ride"..

Mac

https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis
https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm

JJ

in reply to mac davis on 22/03/2006 8:17 AM

22/03/2006 6:16 PM

Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 8:17am (EST-3) [email protected]
(mac=A0davis) doth sayeth:
<snip> Have fun with the El Camino, bro.. sounds like a "cool ride"..

Got it inspected this morning. And spent the rest of the moning,
and part of the afternoon, driving around listening to classical music,
and the exhaust. Very cool.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

DJ

"Dave Jackson"

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

21/03/2006 10:04 PM

Sounds like it qualifies as a gloat to me, especially if it can lay a strip
;). I have a set of the original "rally" rims plus the spare that would
have been correct for that El Camino (they came off of a '78 Malibu) . If
your ever in central Ohio you can have them for free. --dave




"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
> developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
> fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
> while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
> not. Can't see anything loose, or that looks like it is getting beaten
> on. So, started checking one of the local bargain papers. And, hit
> paydirt.
>
> Found, and bought, a nice 1978 Chevrolet El Camino. I've long
> wanted one, not that particular year, I'd have preferred a 1972-73, but
> any year would have done. It desperately needs a paint job, but ony
> surface rust, no rust holes - the prior owner had left it sitting
> outdoors, not running, for 10 years, and didn't touch it. The headliner
> is out. The dash is seriously cracked. I had to replace the mast4er
> cylinder, and have the brakes bled. It has IROC wheels, which I think
> pretty much suck, but the older kid suggested we paint them white, and I
> think that will look OK. The rear gears are only 2:43-1.
>
> The good part is: Everything works - even the clock. Only one
> dent, in the front of the passenger front fender. The guy has all the
> missing trim, and the kid is supposed to pick it up for me.
>
> The great part is: A rebuilt engine (someone swapped out the
> original 350, and replaced it with a 307), new Vortec heads and intake
> manifold, new Edelbrock 650 carburetor, new alternator, new air
> conditioning compressor, mild Crane cam, new radiator, new hoses, new
> belts, new shocks, new tires, new tie rods, and the list goes on, and
> the guy supplied receipts for everything. All the chrome is great. The
> body is absolutely straight. The guy says it knocks down 18-20 MPG. It
> handles absolutely great. It has true duals, and the sound is really
> great.
>
> The guy was ssking $1500, and I kinda screwed up in letting the son
> do the bargaining, instead of me. He got it knocked down to $1300 - I
> think I coulda got it down to $1200. But, the $1300 would have been
> without the new Sony radio-CD player, with two speakers behind the seat.
> It would have cost me at least $100 for another radio, plus the hassle
> of installing it. So, thre final price was $1400. If I'd gotten a
> vehiicle, and had all that done to it, the cost would probably cost at
> least twice the $1400 I paid, not including whatever it would cost for
> just the vehicle. The guy is single, and has too many toys takng money,
> that he had to get rid of this one - he only used it as a parts hauler.
> His loss, my gain. I'm still not sure if I'd cound this as a gloat,
> warm fuzzy, or a neener. Whatever it is, it is definitely making me
> happy. The guy said I was the third guy that called about it, and the
> only one that looked at it. I saw another, in the same bargain paper,
> listed at $3500.
>
> Remember, check your local bargain papers. And, anyone in central
> NC, wanting a 1979 GMC pickup, let me know - I'm ready to sell mine.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
> "know"?.
> - Granny Weatherwax
>

JJ

in reply to "Dave Jackson" on 21/03/2006 10:04 PM

21/03/2006 5:26 PM

Tue, Mar 21, 2006, 10:04pm (EST+5) [email protected] (Dave=A0Jackson)
offereth:
<snip> I have a set of the original "rally" rims plus the spare that
would have been correct for that El Camino (they came off of a '78
Malibu) . If your ever in central Ohio you can have them for free.

Than's for the offer, but I don't expect to be doing any foreign
travel. The kid says he'll paint the IROC rims white, and that whould
make them look OK - until I can find some wheels I actually like.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

EN

Eugene Nine

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

22/03/2006 7:21 PM

J T wrote:

> The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
> developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
> fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
> while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
> not. Can't see anything loose, or that looks like it is getting beaten
> on. So, started checking one of the local bargain papers. And, hit
> paydirt.
>
> Found, and bought, a nice 1978 Chevrolet El Camino. I've long
> wanted one, not that particular year, I'd have preferred a 1972-73, but
> any year would have done. It desperately needs a paint job, but ony
> surface rust, no rust holes - the prior owner had left it sitting
> outdoors, not running, for 10 years, and didn't touch it. The headliner
> is out. The dash is seriously cracked. I had to replace the mast4er
> cylinder, and have the brakes bled. It has IROC wheels, which I think
> pretty much suck, but the older kid suggested we paint them white, and I
> think that will look OK. The rear gears are only 2:43-1.
>
> The good part is: Everything works - even the clock. Only one
> dent, in the front of the passenger front fender. The guy has all the
> missing trim, and the kid is supposed to pick it up for me.
>
> The great part is: A rebuilt engine (someone swapped out the
> original 350, and replaced it with a 307), new Vortec heads and intake
> manifold, new Edelbrock 650 carburetor, new alternator, new air
> conditioning compressor, mild Crane cam, new radiator, new hoses, new
> belts, new shocks, new tires, new tie rods, and the list goes on, and
> the guy supplied receipts for everything. All the chrome is great. The
> body is absolutely straight. The guy says it knocks down 18-20 MPG. It
> handles absolutely great. It has true duals, and the sound is really
> great.
>
> The guy was ssking $1500, and I kinda screwed up in letting the son
> do the bargaining, instead of me. He got it knocked down to $1300 - I
> think I coulda got it down to $1200. But, the $1300 would have been
> without the new Sony radio-CD player, with two speakers behind the seat.
> It would have cost me at least $100 for another radio, plus the hassle
> of installing it. So, thre final price was $1400. If I'd gotten a
> vehiicle, and had all that done to it, the cost would probably cost at
> least twice the $1400 I paid, not including whatever it would cost for
> just the vehicle. The guy is single, and has too many toys takng money,
> that he had to get rid of this one - he only used it as a parts hauler.
> His loss, my gain. I'm still not sure if I'd cound this as a gloat,
> warm fuzzy, or a neener. Whatever it is, it is definitely making me
> happy. The guy said I was the third guy that called about it, and the
> only one that looked at it. I saw another, in the same bargain paper,
> listed at $3500.
>
> Remember, check your local bargain papers. And, anyone in central
> NC, wanting a 1979 GMC pickup, let me know - I'm ready to sell mine.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
> "know"?.
> - Granny Weatherwax

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to fix the existing truck? I bet it would
have been a lot less than $1400. Besides Sony radios don't last more than
6 months past warranty so you will be replacing it soon enough anyway :)

JJ

in reply to Eugene Nine on 22/03/2006 7:21 PM

23/03/2006 10:49 AM

Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 7:21pm [email protected] (Eugene=A0Nine) queryth:
Wouldn't it have been cheaper to fix the existing truck? I bet it would
have been a lot less than $1400. Besides Sony radios don't last more
than 6 months past warranty so you will be replacing it soon enough
anyway :)

Nope. I went to get it aligned a few weeks back. Seems the parts
are rusted togther, and can't be adjusted. It would run $400-500 for
just parts, no teeling how much in labor, for just that one issue. Then
I'd still have had a rusty truck, with a stock engine, that I didn't
want to keep sinking money into. I'm gonna take one of my bagpipe CDs
along today, and check out the CD feature of the radio. Life is
basically good.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

MJ

Mark & Juanita

in reply to Eugene Nine on 22/03/2006 7:21 PM

23/03/2006 10:44 PM

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:49:26 -0500, [email protected] (J T) wrote:

>Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 7:21pm [email protected] (Eugene Nine) queryth:
>Wouldn't it have been cheaper to fix the existing truck? I bet it would
>have been a lot less than $1400. Besides Sony radios don't last more
>than 6 months past warranty so you will be replacing it soon enough
>anyway :)
>
> ... snip . I'm gonna take one of my bagpipe CDs
>along today, and check out the CD feature of the radio.

.. now *that* would be a refreshing change to hearing the constant, low
rumbling "thump,... thump, ... thump" from the stereos being played by
the kiddies driving by. ;-)


> Life is
>basically good.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
>"know"?.
>- Granny Weatherwax


+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough

+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+

jj

jo4hn

in reply to Mark & Juanita on 23/03/2006 10:44 PM

24/03/2006 8:45 AM

J T wrote:
> Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 10:44pm (EST-2) [email protected]
> (Mark & Juanita) doth sayeth:
> .. now *that* would be a refreshing change to hearing the
> constant, low rumbling "thump,... thump, ... thump" from the stereos
> being played by the kiddies driving by. ;-)
>
> I forgot the damn CD when I left the house. But, had to stop at
> Wally World, and found two CDs of '60 rock & roll, so stuck them in, and
> cranked the sound up. I found button on the radio labeled bass, and
> turned it OFF. Much better. I'll check out the bagpipe music today.
> Now if I can just find an Ona Godda Diveda (?) CD.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
> "know"?.
> - Granny Weatherwax
>
Ahhhhhhhh. Iron Butterfly. Just the thing for your evening dining and
dancing pleasure. :-)
Eeeeekers,
jo4hn

JJ

in reply to jo4hn on 24/03/2006 8:45 AM

24/03/2006 2:01 PM

Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 8:45am (EST-3) [email protected] (jo4hn)
wisely sayeth:
Ahhhhhhhh. Iron Butterfly. Just the thing for your evening dining and
dancing pleasure. :-)

Perzactly, and then bagpipe music to relax by after. LOL I found
Some B. B. King CDs too. Now if I could just find a few Canadian fiddle
CDs, life would be even better.

I checked the motor mounts, and the tires. Can't see a thing
wrong. So, I'll try to get the younger kid to take it around the block
a time or two. If I can do that, he'll probably know what's causing the
noice in the first 50 feet, and then can probably fixt the problem in
less than 5 minutes. It's getting him to do it in the first place
that's the hard part. The kid is about a genius as far as mechanical
stuff goes, and would make an excellent mechanic - only thing, he hates
to work on anything but his own stuff.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

JH

John Heacock

in reply to jo4hn on 24/03/2006 8:45 AM

25/03/2006 4:11 AM

> The kid is about a genius as far as mechanical
>stuff goes, and would make an excellent mechanic - only thing, he hates
>to work on anything but his own stuff.
>

Has he found out that people _pay_ for that kind of work as well as
woodworking?
John in SC

JJ

in reply to John Heacock on 25/03/2006 4:11 AM

25/03/2006 7:38 AM

Sat, Mar 25, 2006, 4:11am (EST+5) [email protected]
(John=A0Heacock) doth mumble:
Has he found out that people _pay_ for that kind of work as well as
woodworking?

Actually, it pays a Hell of a lot better than woodworking. And,
yes, he knows.

As I said, he hates to work on any vehicle not his own. If he had
to do it for a living, he wouldn't enjoy it. Like many people that do
woodworking as a hobby.

I've had him come to me and ask how to do something on a vehicle.
I didn't know the answer, but had a manual that did. He didn't read the
article. He didn't read the picture captions. He "looked" at the
pictures, went out, and did the job in about 15 minutes.

I'm not stupid, and pretty easily understand mechanical stuff.
But, to do the same repair, I'd have had to read the piece, probably
several times, study the pictures, and take the book out with me, for
reference. Even then it'd probably take me several hours. His
mechanical talents are pretty amazing.

The down side is, because he hates working on any vehicles but his
own, it's a real chore to get him to work on anything of mine.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

Pg

Patriarch

in reply to John Heacock on 25/03/2006 4:11 AM

25/03/2006 12:56 PM

[email protected] (J T) wrote in news:12655-442539AF-467@storefull-
3337.bay.webtv.net:

<snip>

> His mechanical talents are pretty amazing.
>
> The down side is, because he hates working on any vehicles but his
> own, it's a real chore to get him to work on anything of mine.
>

That's pretty typical of my kids, too...

Patriarch

JJ

in reply to Mark & Juanita on 23/03/2006 10:44 PM

24/03/2006 10:38 AM

Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 10:44pm (EST-2) [email protected]
(Mark=A0&=A0Juanita) doth sayeth:
=A0=A0=A0=A0.. now *that* would be a refreshing change to hearing the
constant, low rumbling "thump,... thump, ... thump" from the stereos
being played by the kiddies driving by. ;-)

I forgot the damn CD when I left the house. But, had to stop at
Wally World, and found two CDs of '60 rock & roll, so stuck them in, and
cranked the sound up. I found button on the radio labeled bass, and
turned it OFF. Much better. I'll check out the bagpipe music today.
Now if I can just find an Ona Godda Diveda (?) CD.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

EN

Eugene Nine

in reply to Eugene Nine on 22/03/2006 7:21 PM

23/03/2006 4:22 PM

J T wrote:

> Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 7:21pm [email protected] (Eugene Nine) queryth:
> Wouldn't it have been cheaper to fix the existing truck? I bet it would
> have been a lot less than $1400. Besides Sony radios don't last more
> than 6 months past warranty so you will be replacing it soon enough
> anyway :)
>
> Nope. I went to get it aligned a few weeks back. Seems the parts
> are rusted togther, and can't be adjusted. It would run $400-500 for
> just parts, no teeling how much in labor, for just that one issue. Then
> I'd still have had a rusty truck, with a stock engine, that I didn't
> want to keep sinking money into. I'm gonna take one of my bagpipe CDs
> along today, and check out the CD feature of the radio. Life is
> basically good.
>
>
Ahh labor, that always messes things up. If you can wood dork then you can
rear a repair manual, fix it yourself. Those old front end parts are cheap
and plentiful. I remember replacing a couple parts on my old 79 (well
parents) blazer, there wasn't a single part over $20.

JJ

in reply to Eugene Nine on 23/03/2006 4:22 PM

24/03/2006 10:31 AM

Thu, Mar 23, 2006, 4:22pm [email protected] (Eugene=A0Nine) doth sayeth:
Ahh labor, that always messes things up. If you can wood dork then you
can rear a repair manual, fix it yourself. Those old front end parts are
cheap and plentiful. I remember replacing a couple parts on my old 79
(well parents) blazer, there wasn't a single part over $20.

Doesn't really matter if it was just parts, or parts and labor. I
can't do that type of work anymore, without spending a very long time
doing it, measured in at least weeks, probably months - bad joints - so
I'd have to pay to have it done, and the truck isn't worth it to me.
Plus, I'd still need to get something for transportaiton while I was
doing it. Now, for a bit more, I've got a totally redone trucklet,
that's reliable, , fun, and drives like a new vehicle. I'll probably be
able to get a bit for the old truck, to help offset the new one.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

ss

skeezics

in reply to [email protected] (J T) on 21/03/2006 4:11 PM

22/03/2006 8:25 PM

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:11:15 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:

> The 1979 GMC pickup has done well since 2001. But, recently it
>developed some mystery problems - the engine and transmission are still
>fine - but, the truck is making some very mysterious pounding noises
>while driving, sounds like the fan is hitting the radiator, but it's
>not. Can't see anything loose, or that looks like it is getting beaten
>on. So, started checking one of the local bargain papers. And, hit
>paydirt.
>
> Found, and bought, a nice 1978 Chevrolet El Camino. I've long
>wanted one, not that particular year, I'd have preferred a 1972-73, but
>any year would have done. It desperately needs a paint job, but ony
>surface rust, no rust holes - the prior owner had left it sitting
>outdoors, not running, for 10 years, and didn't touch it. The headliner
>is out. The dash is seriously cracked. I had to replace the mast4er
>cylinder, and have the brakes bled. It has IROC wheels, which I think
>pretty much suck, but the older kid suggested we paint them white, and I
>think that will look OK. The rear gears are only 2:43-1.
>
> The good part is: Everything works - even the clock. Only one
>dent, in the front of the passenger front fender. The guy has all the
>missing trim, and the kid is supposed to pick it up for me.
>
> The great part is: A rebuilt engine (someone swapped out the
>original 350, and replaced it with a 307), new Vortec heads and intake
>manifold, new Edelbrock 650 carburetor, new alternator, new air
>conditioning compressor, mild Crane cam, new radiator, new hoses, new
>belts, new shocks, new tires, new tie rods, and the list goes on, and
>the guy supplied receipts for everything. All the chrome is great. The
>body is absolutely straight. The guy says it knocks down 18-20 MPG. It
>handles absolutely great. It has true duals, and the sound is really
>great.
>
> The guy was ssking $1500, and I kinda screwed up in letting the son
>do the bargaining, instead of me. He got it knocked down to $1300 - I
>think I coulda got it down to $1200. But, the $1300 would have been
>without the new Sony radio-CD player, with two speakers behind the seat.
>It would have cost me at least $100 for another radio, plus the hassle
>of installing it. So, thre final price was $1400. If I'd gotten a
>vehiicle, and had all that done to it, the cost would probably cost at
>least twice the $1400 I paid, not including whatever it would cost for
>just the vehicle. The guy is single, and has too many toys takng money,
>that he had to get rid of this one - he only used it as a parts hauler.
>His loss, my gain. I'm still not sure if I'd cound this as a gloat,
>warm fuzzy, or a neener. Whatever it is, it is definitely making me
>happy. The guy said I was the third guy that called about it, and the
>only one that looked at it. I saw another, in the same bargain paper,
>listed at $3500.
>
> Remember, check your local bargain papers. And, anyone in central
>NC, wanting a 1979 GMC pickup, let me know - I'm ready to sell mine.
>
>
>
>JOAT
>You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
>"know"?.
>- Granny Weatherwax

good score! on the old one check the motor mounts. one may be broke or
worn out. this will cause the motor when under power to raise a bit
and hit the fan hits the shroud. or not! lol

skeez

Aa

"Andy"

in reply to skeezics on 22/03/2006 8:25 PM

24/03/2006 12:18 PM

Check the driveshaft? I once got a shirt wrapped around mine and it messed
up the balance. Reminds me, check the driveshaft balance weights, they might
have been knocked off.


"J T" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 8:25pm (EST+5) [email protected] (skeezics) sayeth:
> good score! on the old one check the motor mounts. one may be broke or
> worn out. this will cause the motor when under power to raise a bit and
> hit the fan hits the shroud. or not! lol
>
> Don't think so, It doesn't do it if the truck is standing still,
> only when it's moving. Let me know when you're in the area and I'll
> show you the El Camino. And, listen to it. LOL
>
>
>
> JOAT
> You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
> "know"?.
> - Granny Weatherwax
>

JJ

in reply to "Andy" on 24/03/2006 12:18 PM

24/03/2006 5:38 PM

Fri, Mar 24, 2006, 12:18pm (EST-2) andya@_nospam_cableone.net (Andy)
doth sayeth:
Check the driveshaft? I once got a shirt wrapped around mine and it
messed up the balance. Reminds me, check the driveshaft balance weights,
they might have been knocked off.

Oh damn, now I've got to crawl under that bugger. I don't think
it's the driveshaft, because there's no vibration, and the noise doesn't
appear to come from there. But, I'll check it anyway. Just in case. I
cranked it up today (didn't drive it), and it starts fine, and runs
great. I'll try to either get it out and drive it a bit, or beter yet,
have the younder kid check it out, this weekend. I guess I should also
make a sacrifice to the Car Gods, Manny, Moe, and Jack.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

JJ

in reply to skeezics on 22/03/2006 8:25 PM

22/03/2006 6:22 PM

Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 8:25pm (EST+5) [email protected] (skeezics) sayeth:
good score! on the old one check the motor mounts. one may be broke or
worn out. this will cause the motor when under power to raise a bit and
hit the fan hits the shroud. or not! lol

Don't think so, It doesn't do it if the truck is standing still,
only when it's moving. Let me know when you're in the area and I'll
show you the El Camino. And, listen to it. LOL



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax

ss

skeezics

in reply to skeezics on 22/03/2006 8:25 PM

23/03/2006 12:15 AM

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 18:22:49 -0500, [email protected] (J T)
wrote:

>Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 8:25pm (EST+5) [email protected] (skeezics) sayeth:
>good score! on the old one check the motor mounts. one may be broke or
>worn out. this will cause the motor when under power to raise a bit and
>hit the fan hits the shroud. or not! lol
>
> Don't think so, It doesn't do it if the truck is standing still,
>only when it's moving. Let me know when you're in the area and I'll
>show you the El Camino. And, listen to it. LOL
>
i will. sounds like a neat toy! lol...
>
>
>JOAT
>You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
>"know"?.
>- Granny Weatherwax

it wont show till you put it in gear and give it some gas. the tork
will raise the motor if the mounts are weak or broken. its a cheep fix
too if thats the problem.

skeez

ER

Enoch Root

in reply to skeezics on 22/03/2006 8:25 PM

22/03/2006 9:19 PM

J T wrote:
> Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 8:25pm (EST+5) [email protected] (skeezics) sayeth:
> good score! on the old one check the motor mounts. one may be broke or
> worn out. this will cause the motor when under power to raise a bit and
> hit the fan hits the shroud. or not! lol
>
> Don't think so, It doesn't do it if the truck is standing still,
> only when it's moving. Let me know when you're in the area and I'll
> show you the El Camino. And, listen to it. LOL

I would be tied to the motor rpm in that case. And revving.

er
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JJ

in reply to Enoch Root on 22/03/2006 9:19 PM

23/03/2006 10:53 AM

Wed, Mar 22, 2006, 9:19pm (EST-3) [email protected] (Enoch=A0Root)
now sayeth:
I would be tied to the motor rpm in that case. And revving.

No. I've already said it's only when the truck is moving. I've
tried reving the engine when the truck is at a standstill, and it
doesn't make the noise. So, it is not tied to engine RPM.



JOAT
You'll never get anywhere if you believe what you "hear". What do you
"know"?.
- Granny Weatherwax


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