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21/07/2004 1:39 PM

14" BAND SAW SUGGESTIONS

I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
from 3-11 inches thick.
thanks for your input-
Frank


This topic has 20 replies

Gg

"George"

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

21/07/2004 5:29 PM

Delta has a better arrangement on the guide blocks, in my experience, though
the newer imports don't appear to be the saw the old US cast one was.

"Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
> and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
> height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
> isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
> seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
> hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
> Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
> My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
> from 3-11 inches thick.
> thanks for your input-
> Frank

Td

"TeamCasa"

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 9:56 AM

I have the Jet 16" - Great saw.
Dave

"Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
> and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
> height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
> isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
> seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
> hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
> Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
> My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
> from 3-11 inches thick.
> thanks for your input-
> Frank

b

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

24/07/2004 9:01 AM

On Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:49:03 GMT, patriarch
<<patriarch>[email protected]> wrote:

>John Carlson <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 23 Jul 2004 07:22:26 -0700, [email protected] (Rich) wrote:
>>
>>>David <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:<[email protected]>...
>>>> Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
>>>> uncover all sorts of posts.
>>>
>>>A wolf in sheeps clothing!
>>
>> Yeah, I noticed that too and was debating whether to point it out.
>> Looks like our old buddy is back.
>>
>
>ain't misbehavin' ....


but nothin' new to say either....

wB

[email protected] (Bob Davis)

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

24/07/2004 8:03 AM

[email protected] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...

> Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
> the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
> the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?

I haven't looked in a while, but as I recall, there's a substantial
difference in the wheels between the two saws - something like 5 spoke
aluminum vs. 9 spoke cast iron.

Bob

GG

Greg G.

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

24/07/2004 5:02 AM

John Carlson said:

>FWIW, I own a 14" Delta (28-299A, the very model that Dave speaks of)
>and am very happy with it. I've never seen any of the vibration and
>jitter that he mentions. My only complaint is the pretty-crappy
>dust-collection arrangement, which it looks like has been greatly
>improved on the newer models. I can't speak of the Powermatic because
>I'm not familiar with it, but at the time, I compared the Delta with
>the 14" Jet and IMO Delta was the hands-down winner.
>
>Note: The 28-299 is American made. I think (not certain) that the
>current 14" models are Taiwanese, so my opinion may not apply to them.

I own the Chinese Delta 14" and posted a review a while back.
I installed a riser block, replaced drive belt and the wheel tires
with urethane and check/set thing as they should be, and have no
vibration problems at all. Basically blueprinted the thing. Works
great - for a big hunk of Chinese cast iron. When I turned it on out
of the box, it was a different story, however.

My purchase of this *particular* model was based on it using standard
Delta accessories, a lever tension release, and a cost of $340.


Greg G.

jY

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

23/07/2004 9:46 AM

WB BAD
David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
> uncover all sorts of posts.
>
> Rather than relying on my opinion, Frank I heartily suggest
> that you locate a store within a reasonable driving distance
> that has the two BS's. I own Delta stuff, but I do NOT like
> their BS. I wasted a lot of time trying to tame vibration
> on their 1.5 HP unit. Running the Powermatic is a dream
> compared to the Delta. You gotta see the two to see what I
> mean. You need to "kick the tires". :)
>
> dave
>
> Frank wrote:
>
> > Hey Dave, I actually havent used either saw, I've been using a small
> > Inca for years. outside of the obvious (light,blower,guides) what is
> > the quality difference? hold my hand a bit, I really don't know, aside
> > from corporate descriptions what these 2 tools are like. Thanks for
> > your time-Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >>there really is no comparison between the delta and the
> >>powermatic. You MUST be looking at pictures of the overall
> >>"look" rather than delving into researching the features. I
> >>don't use a blade smaller than 5/16 and have no problem.
> >>With a good blade you could remove the guides and cut curves
> >>to your heart's content, anyway. TIP: don't leave the
> >>rear guide too far from the blade, or when you start
> >>cutting, the teeth will start hitting the side guides if
> >>you've set THEM up just behind the teeth.
> >>
> >>I'm surprised you haven't uncovered the differences between
> >>the Powermatic and Delta yet.
> >>
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Frank wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>David, in looking at the powermatic and the delta x5 they seem pretty
> >>>well matched up...but you had a problem with your delta vibrating?
> >>>what model? are the carter guides good with 1/4" blade, while cutting
> >>>curves? -Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If you get more info on them, you'll see the Powermatic has
> >>>>additional features. You are looking at pictures at a
> >>>>glance instead of the features list. Read up on the
> >>>>Powermatic and then we'll talk again. <g> Just to be sure,
> >>>>I looked at the Jet website to be sure they hadn't recently
> >>>>upgraded the Jet to match the Powermatic's features. They
> >>>>didn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>Here are a few items. Serpentine style belt. Carter guides.
> >>>>compressed air nozzle to keep cutting line clean. task
> >>>>light. lower wheel brush. The powermatic runs quietly and
> >>>>smoothly. The Delta (which I owned for a couple of weeks
> >>>>until the store agreed to a full refund) vibrated and lacked
> >>>>the features I just listed.
> >>>>
> >>>>dave
> >>>>
> >>>>Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>>>>David <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
> >>>>>>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
> >>>>>the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
> >>>>>the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Chris (griz G0555 owner)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>dave
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Frank wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
> >>>>>>>and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
> >>>>>>>height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
> >>>>>>>isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
> >>>>>>>seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
> >>>>>>>hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
> >>>>>>>Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
> >>>>>>>My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>from 3-11 inches thick.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>thanks for your input-
> >>>>>>>Frank
> >>>>>>

Dd

David

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

21/07/2004 6:42 PM

If you get more info on them, you'll see the Powermatic has
additional features. You are looking at pictures at a
glance instead of the features list. Read up on the
Powermatic and then we'll talk again. <g> Just to be sure,
I looked at the Jet website to be sure they hadn't recently
upgraded the Jet to match the Powermatic's features. They
didn't.

Here are a few items. Serpentine style belt. Carter guides.
compressed air nozzle to keep cutting line clean. task
light. lower wheel brush. The powermatic runs quietly and
smoothly. The Delta (which I owned for a couple of weeks
until the store agreed to a full refund) vibrated and lacked
the features I just listed.

dave

Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> David <[email protected]> writes:
>
>>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
>>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)
>
>
> Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
> the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
> the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?
>
> Chris (griz G0555 owner)
>
>
>>dave
>>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
>>>and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
>>>height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
>>>isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
>>>seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
>>>hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
>>>Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
>>>My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
>>>from 3-11 inches thick.
>>>thanks for your input-
>>>Frank
>>
>

Dd

David

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 8:50 PM

Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
uncover all sorts of posts.

Rather than relying on my opinion, Frank I heartily suggest
that you locate a store within a reasonable driving distance
that has the two BS's. I own Delta stuff, but I do NOT like
their BS. I wasted a lot of time trying to tame vibration
on their 1.5 HP unit. Running the Powermatic is a dream
compared to the Delta. You gotta see the two to see what I
mean. You need to "kick the tires". :)

dave

Frank wrote:

> Hey Dave, I actually havent used either saw, I've been using a small
> Inca for years. outside of the obvious (light,blower,guides) what is
> the quality difference? hold my hand a bit, I really don't know, aside
> from corporate descriptions what these 2 tools are like. Thanks for
> your time-Frank
>
>
>
> David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>there really is no comparison between the delta and the
>>powermatic. You MUST be looking at pictures of the overall
>>"look" rather than delving into researching the features. I
>>don't use a blade smaller than 5/16 and have no problem.
>>With a good blade you could remove the guides and cut curves
>>to your heart's content, anyway. TIP: don't leave the
>>rear guide too far from the blade, or when you start
>>cutting, the teeth will start hitting the side guides if
>>you've set THEM up just behind the teeth.
>>
>>I'm surprised you haven't uncovered the differences between
>>the Powermatic and Delta yet.
>>
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>David, in looking at the powermatic and the delta x5 they seem pretty
>>>well matched up...but you had a problem with your delta vibrating?
>>>what model? are the carter guides good with 1/4" blade, while cutting
>>>curves? -Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you get more info on them, you'll see the Powermatic has
>>>>additional features. You are looking at pictures at a
>>>>glance instead of the features list. Read up on the
>>>>Powermatic and then we'll talk again. <g> Just to be sure,
>>>>I looked at the Jet website to be sure they hadn't recently
>>>>upgraded the Jet to match the Powermatic's features. They
>>>>didn't.
>>>>
>>>>Here are a few items. Serpentine style belt. Carter guides.
>>>>compressed air nozzle to keep cutting line clean. task
>>>>light. lower wheel brush. The powermatic runs quietly and
>>>>smoothly. The Delta (which I owned for a couple of weeks
>>>>until the store agreed to a full refund) vibrated and lacked
>>>>the features I just listed.
>>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>>Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>David <[email protected]> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
>>>>>>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
>>>>>the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
>>>>>the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?
>>>>>
>>>>>Chris (griz G0555 owner)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
>>>>>>>and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
>>>>>>>height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
>>>>>>>isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
>>>>>>>seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
>>>>>>>hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
>>>>>>>Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
>>>>>>>My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>from 3-11 inches thick.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>thanks for your input-
>>>>>>>Frank
>>>>>>

Dd

David

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 2:27 PM

there really is no comparison between the delta and the
powermatic. You MUST be looking at pictures of the overall
"look" rather than delving into researching the features. I
don't use a blade smaller than 5/16 and have no problem.
With a good blade you could remove the guides and cut curves
to your heart's content, anyway. TIP: don't leave the
rear guide too far from the blade, or when you start
cutting, the teeth will start hitting the side guides if
you've set THEM up just behind the teeth.

I'm surprised you haven't uncovered the differences between
the Powermatic and Delta yet.


dave

Frank wrote:

> David, in looking at the powermatic and the delta x5 they seem pretty
> well matched up...but you had a problem with your delta vibrating?
> what model? are the carter guides good with 1/4" blade, while cutting
> curves? -Frank
>
>
>
> David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>If you get more info on them, you'll see the Powermatic has
>>additional features. You are looking at pictures at a
>>glance instead of the features list. Read up on the
>>Powermatic and then we'll talk again. <g> Just to be sure,
>>I looked at the Jet website to be sure they hadn't recently
>>upgraded the Jet to match the Powermatic's features. They
>>didn't.
>>
>>Here are a few items. Serpentine style belt. Carter guides.
>>compressed air nozzle to keep cutting line clean. task
>>light. lower wheel brush. The powermatic runs quietly and
>>smoothly. The Delta (which I owned for a couple of weeks
>>until the store agreed to a full refund) vibrated and lacked
>>the features I just listed.
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>> David <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
>>>>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)
>>>
>>>
>>>Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
>>>the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
>>>the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?
>>>
>>>Chris (griz G0555 owner)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave
>>>>
>>>>Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
>>>>>and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
>>>>>height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
>>>>>isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
>>>>>seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
>>>>>hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
>>>>>Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
>>>>>My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
>>>>
>>>>>from 3-11 inches thick.
>>>>
>>>>>thanks for your input-
>>>>>Frank
>>>>

pp

patriarch <[email protected]>

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

24/07/2004 3:49 AM

John Carlson <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 23 Jul 2004 07:22:26 -0700, [email protected] (Rich) wrote:
>
>>David <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:<[email protected]>...
>>> Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
>>> uncover all sorts of posts.
>>
>>A wolf in sheeps clothing!
>
> Yeah, I noticed that too and was debating whether to point it out.
> Looks like our old buddy is back.
>

ain't misbehavin' ....

rR

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

23/07/2004 7:22 AM

David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
> uncover all sorts of posts.

A wolf in sheeps clothing!

cC

[email protected] (Charlie Self)

in reply to [email protected] (Rich) on 23/07/2004 7:22 AM

23/07/2004 2:38 PM

Rich Smith responds:

>David <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:<[email protected]>...
>> Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
>> uncover all sorts of posts.
>
>A wolf in sheeps clothing!

Dunno about wolves, but bandsaw vibration, Delta or others, can be traced to a
few fairly simple causes. The original--1994--Delta complaint was caused by
incorrectly thicknesses bandsaw tires. That is, they varied in thickness. Some
of the others were traced to loose nuts and bolts.

Probably a few could be traced to the nut at the table. I've owned a couple
Delta 14" and used several Powermatic 14". There's not much to choose between
them (I can't comment on how hard the PM is to set up, as that was already
done), but proper set-up, including checking wheel balance and the positioning
of the guides is a big help. Some time ago, a friend of mine who worked for
years in furniture factories gave me a few pointers on setting up the bandsaw.
There's nothing earth shattering to remember. Use good blades. Be careful of
all adjustments. Feed at the pace the machine will accept with a particular
wood and cut.

Charlie Self
"I think the most un-American thing you can say is, 'You can't say that.' "
Garrison Keillor

cC

[email protected] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~)

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

21/07/2004 11:35 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
David <[email protected]> writes:
>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)

Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?

Chris (griz G0555 owner)

>dave
>
>Frank wrote:
>
>> I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
>> and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
>> height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
>> isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
>> seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
>> hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
>> Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
>> My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
>> from 3-11 inches thick.
>> thanks for your input-
>> Frank
>

--
Chris Richmond | I don't speak for Intel & vise versa

BB

Bruce Barnett

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 12:28 AM

[email protected] (Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~) writes:

> Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
> the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
> the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?

I think it's $300 more that the CS ($200 more than the DX).


Let me get the catalog...
I'll list the differences

Jet 14" Open Stand saw
Micro-adjustable lower blade guide
3/4 HP Motor
15" x 15" table

Jet 14" Closed Stand Woodworking Bandsaw (JWBS-14CS)

1 HP Motor
Closed stand


Jet 14" Deluxe (JWBS-14DX)
1 1/4 HP Motor
Micro-adjustable ball bearing UPPER and lower guide
Poly V-Belt drive
Quick Tension Release
Nine-Spoke wheels

Powermatic 14CS (PWBS-14CS)
1 1/2 HP Motor
Yellow color
2-piece tilting 20" x 15" table
Gooseneck Lamp
Chip Blower
Carter Quick-Release Lever
Micro-adjustable DUAL ball bearing upper and lower guide
BALANCED 9-spoke wheels
Steel T-style Rip Fence with resaw attachment
Miter Gauge


- - -

I bought the deluxe, and didn't get the Poly V-Belt. The catalog says
the 9-spoke wheels on the DX are "durable" instead of "balanced."
I assume that is market-speak to make the PWBS-14CS more attractive.


--
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$500 per message, and acknowledges the legality of this contract.

JC

John Carlson

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

24/07/2004 1:45 AM

On 23 Jul 2004 07:22:26 -0700, [email protected] (Rich) wrote:

>David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>> Do a Google search of "Delta BS vibration" and you'll
>> uncover all sorts of posts.
>
>A wolf in sheeps clothing!

Yeah, I noticed that too and was debating whether to point it out.
Looks like our old buddy is back.

-- jc
Published e-mail address is strictly for spam collection.
If e-mailing me, please use jc631 at optonline dot net

fF

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 5:03 AM

David, in looking at the powermatic and the delta x5 they seem pretty
well matched up...but you had a problem with your delta vibrating?
what model? are the carter guides good with 1/4" blade, while cutting
curves? -Frank



David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> If you get more info on them, you'll see the Powermatic has
> additional features. You are looking at pictures at a
> glance instead of the features list. Read up on the
> Powermatic and then we'll talk again. <g> Just to be sure,
> I looked at the Jet website to be sure they hadn't recently
> upgraded the Jet to match the Powermatic's features. They
> didn't.
>
> Here are a few items. Serpentine style belt. Carter guides.
> compressed air nozzle to keep cutting line clean. task
> light. lower wheel brush. The powermatic runs quietly and
> smoothly. The Delta (which I owned for a couple of weeks
> until the store agreed to a full refund) vibrated and lacked
> the features I just listed.
>
> dave
>
> Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > David <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
> >>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)
> >
> >
> > Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
> > the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
> > the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?
> >
> > Chris (griz G0555 owner)
> >
> >
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Frank wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
> >>>and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
> >>>height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
> >>>isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
> >>>seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
> >>>hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
> >>>Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
> >>>My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
> >>>from 3-11 inches thick.
> >>>thanks for your input-
> >>>Frank
> >>
> >

fF

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 7:23 PM

Hey Dave, I actually havent used either saw, I've been using a small
Inca for years. outside of the obvious (light,blower,guides) what is
the quality difference? hold my hand a bit, I really don't know, aside
from corporate descriptions what these 2 tools are like. Thanks for
your time-Frank



David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> there really is no comparison between the delta and the
> powermatic. You MUST be looking at pictures of the overall
> "look" rather than delving into researching the features. I
> don't use a blade smaller than 5/16 and have no problem.
> With a good blade you could remove the guides and cut curves
> to your heart's content, anyway. TIP: don't leave the
> rear guide too far from the blade, or when you start
> cutting, the teeth will start hitting the side guides if
> you've set THEM up just behind the teeth.
>
> I'm surprised you haven't uncovered the differences between
> the Powermatic and Delta yet.
>
>
> dave
>
> Frank wrote:
>
> > David, in looking at the powermatic and the delta x5 they seem pretty
> > well matched up...but you had a problem with your delta vibrating?
> > what model? are the carter guides good with 1/4" blade, while cutting
> > curves? -Frank
> >
> >
> >
> > David <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> >
> >>If you get more info on them, you'll see the Powermatic has
> >>additional features. You are looking at pictures at a
> >>glance instead of the features list. Read up on the
> >>Powermatic and then we'll talk again. <g> Just to be sure,
> >>I looked at the Jet website to be sure they hadn't recently
> >>upgraded the Jet to match the Powermatic's features. They
> >>didn't.
> >>
> >>Here are a few items. Serpentine style belt. Carter guides.
> >>compressed air nozzle to keep cutting line clean. task
> >>light. lower wheel brush. The powermatic runs quietly and
> >>smoothly. The Delta (which I owned for a couple of weeks
> >>until the store agreed to a full refund) vibrated and lacked
> >>the features I just listed.
> >>
> >>dave
> >>
> >>Chris Richmond - MD6-FDC ~ wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>In article <[email protected]>,
> >>> David <[email protected]> writes:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
> >>>>instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Not to pick a fight, but from the pictures in the catalogs,
> >>>the Powermatic looks like a JET painted PM yellow. What's
> >>>the difference aside from ~$200 bucks?
> >>>
> >>>Chris (griz G0555 owner)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>dave
> >>>>
> >>>>Frank wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
> >>>>>and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
> >>>>>height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
> >>>>>isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
> >>>>>seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
> >>>>>hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
> >>>>>Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
> >>>>>My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
>
> >>>>>from 3-11 inches thick.
>
> >>>>>thanks for your input-
> >>>>>Frank
> >>>>

Dd

David

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

21/07/2004 3:13 PM

skip the Delta (been there, done that) and get a Powermatic
instead. More features, more quality, more better! :)

dave

Frank wrote:

> I have been using an INCA 10 1/2" band saw for a while but am moving
> and have to return it to my father-in-law. I could use a bit more
> height and am thinking about a 14" model with riser blocks. Space
> isn't an issue and money is not too critical of an issue. Only Laguna
> seems out of reach. I'm considering Delta (both X5 and the 1
> hp),Jet,grizzly ultimate bandsaw (is it any good?) and possibly the
> Rikon RK14 cs (if anyone has any info at all on these).
> My uses are for curved cuts on softer hardwoods (basswood and poplar)
> from 3-11 inches thick.
> thanks for your input-
> Frank

nn

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

22/07/2004 12:02 PM

My Rockwell 14" shuddered as it coasted to a stop before it had
segmented belt. No longer.

On 22 Jul 2004 05:03:01 -0700, [email protected] (Frank)
wrote:

>...but you had a problem with your delta vibrating?

JC

John Carlson

in reply to [email protected] (Frank) on 21/07/2004 1:39 PM

24/07/2004 1:58 AM

FWIW, I own a 14" Delta (28-299A, the very model that Dave speaks of)
and am very happy with it. I've never seen any of the vibration and
jitter that he mentions. My only complaint is the pretty-crappy
dust-collection arrangement, which it looks like has been greatly
improved on the newer models. I can't speak of the Powermatic because
I'm not familiar with it, but at the time, I compared the Delta with
the 14" Jet and IMO Delta was the hands-down winner.

Note: The 28-299 is American made. I think (not certain) that the
current 14" models are Taiwanese, so my opinion may not apply to them.

On 22 Jul 2004 19:23:14 -0700, [email protected] (Frank)
wrote:

>Hey Dave, I actually havent used either saw, I've been using a small
>Inca for years. outside of the obvious (light,blower,guides) what is
>the quality difference? hold my hand a bit, I really don't know, aside
>from corporate descriptions what these 2 tools are like. Thanks for
>your time-Frank
>

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