Anybody have a Rockwell BladeRunner X2?

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:15:59 -0700 (PDT), Michael
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>
>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>
>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>
>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

What sort of tile? A wet saw is the right tool for ceramic tile,
particularly floor tile.

It had a nice blade attachment process.
It had nice thickness attachment and blade in the rear.
It had a nice fence.

So it depends on the price and the options.

Martin

On 10/13/2015 6:41 PM, G. Ross wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>
>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>
>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>
>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my jig
> saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking up
> through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:54:07 -0400, Ed Huntress
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:36:11 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 02:45:31 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>
>>>> Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
>>>> To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
>>>> which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
>>>> see in a jigsaw puzzle.
>>>
>>>Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
>>>"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
>>>"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
>>>of both tools.
>>
>>I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>>"Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>>(curves).
>
>Who would have guessed that the term dates back to 1855?
>
>http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=jigsaw
>
>From other sources, the first ones were treadle-powered, so it appears
>that the stationary one came first. The electric hand tool apparently
>came along in 1947. I would have thought earlier; maybe so.

Interesting. I wonder if the term "jig" came from the saw, not the
other way around.

"John Doe" wrote:

>I did look hard at scroll saws.
>
> The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
> cutting
> straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
> cut.
>
> I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
> are
> not meant for making even short straight cuts.
----------------------------------------------------
How well can you follow a straight drawn line freehand with a scroll
saw?

That's the limit of how straight you're your cut line will be.

It's also the technique used by die board tooling makers.

No problem cutting a 12"-15" straight line in 11 ply (5/8") die board.

Think of a valve cover gasket for an engine.

The cutting die to stamp the cover gasket uses the above technique.

Personally, I wouldn't try to cut material much beyond 1" in
thickness.

You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Lew

Leon wrote:
> On 10/14/2015 10:11 AM, Steve W. wrote:
>> Leon wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
>>> Snip
>>>
>>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>>>>> are
>>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>>> collection is easier.
>>>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>>>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
>>>> some other saws.
>>>>
>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
>>> saw cannot do easily.
>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts a
>> jig saw isn't what you want.
>>
> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit or tile?
> Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space saing multi
> tool for a variety of reasons.

Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw, tile with
a wet saw.
If you want to do the job right you use the correct tools.

--
Steve W.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:17:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/13/2015 7:15 PM, Michael wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>
>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>
>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>>
>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>
>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.
>>
>I would not want to cut more than a single tile with this particular
>tool. Yo can do much better with a tile saw in the same price range.
>
>Skil, $129
>
>http://www.lowes.com/pd_564456-46922-3550-01_0__?k_clickID=86e8420d-2a5c-44b6-844a-10acf766fee9&store_code=1898&productId=50133062&selectedLocalStoreBeanArray=%5Bcom.lowes.commerce.storelocator.beans.LocatorStoreBean%40674f674f%5D&storeNumber=1898&kpid=50133062&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-ToolsAndHardware-_-FlooringSaws-_-50133062%3ASkil&CAWELAID=&CAWELAID=320011480001747499
>
>$66
>
>http://www.zoro.com/qep-portable-tile-saw-wet-cut-7-in-blade-60089q/i/G1013074/?gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFXtnOKvm_UYOdHlaHCZ1Zb_C2goJGsWNWAZTZ1lSQixoCxafw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
>
>At Home Depot, $54.97
>
>http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-3-5-HP-4-in-Torque-Master-Tile-Saw-22400Q/205621579?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|google|D23+Tile&mid=sbpevjlzU|dc_mtid_8903pdd25182_pcrid_64456967728_pkw__pmt__product_205621579&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFokplbkwW598qS0UTXdZyXzW3IVGPmJGto5uM53k7xRoCMcPw_wcB

Seven models from $40 to $279.

http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=tile+saw

Leon wrote:
> On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> Snip
>
>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>> collection is easier.
>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
>> some other saws.
>>
>
> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
> cannot do easily.

No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts a
jig saw isn't what you want.

--
Steve W.

John Doe wrote:
> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>
> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>
> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>
> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
> limitation is thickness of material.
>
> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
> to help make straight cuts possible.
>
> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>
> Thanks.
>
Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

--
GW Ross

Ne'er needlessly disturb a thing at rest

In article <[email protected]>, gwr95
@comwest.net says...
>
> John Doe wrote:
> > ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
> >
> > What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
> > jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
> > sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
> > tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
> >
> > https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
> >
> > I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
> > that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
> > of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
> > limitation is thickness of material.
> >
> > Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
> > straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
> > to help make straight cuts possible.
> >
> > I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
> > universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
> > hefty 5.5 amp motor.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
> up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

I think if there's a real benefit to the Rockwell it would be providing
a guide for the tip end of the blade--would make it easier to get a
straight rip on thick stock. OTOH, for that purpose it's no substitute
for a table saw.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> John Doe wrote:
> > Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> John Doe wrote:
> >
> >>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
> >>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
> >>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
> >>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
> >>>>> be an allusion...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
> >>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
> >>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
> >>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
> >>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
> >>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
> >>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
> >>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
> >
> >>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
> >>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
> >>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
> >>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
> >>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
> >>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
> >>> bit small.
> >> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
> >> a table saw
> >
> > Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
> > light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
> > board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
> > dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
> > is easier.
>
> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
> some other saws.

Well, it can, but my a lot more than $40 Bosch tends to bow the blade on
long rips in thick stock. If that thing has a tip guide to keep the
blade from bowing it may be worthwhile. OTOH, if they had made it so it
was an actual jigsaw with such a guide they might have had a major
winner.

John Doe wrote:
> "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Steve W. wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>
>>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
>>>>> saw cannot do easily.
>
>>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts
>>>> a jig saw isn't what you want.
>>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit
>>> or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space
>>> saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.
>> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw,
>
> I'll have whatever he's having...
>
>> tile with a wet saw. If you want to do the job right you use the
>> correct tools.
>
> I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't know
> what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like flat bar)
> might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws typically
> don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw cannot cut
> straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't make much deeper
> blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be easier. Perhaps it's
> a torque/power issue.
>
> I ordered a BladeRunner. I might also see about making a miniature
> tablesaw out of a miniature circular saw, later. But only if aluminum
> chips are less likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.

How small? An easy way to cut aluminum is with a shear like this one.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Plate-Shear-8-/H0733



--
Steve W.

On 10/14/2015 1:41 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>>>>> panel,
>>>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>>>>> brushed
>>>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>>>>> worked
>>>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>>>>> bit small.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>>>>> does
>>>>> a table saw
>>>>
>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
>>>> very
>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>>>> shoot a
>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>>>> are
>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>> collection
>>>> is easier.
>>>
>>> Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
>>> working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
>>> projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.
>>>
>>> -jsw
>>>
>>>
>> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?
>
> Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?
>
Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no variety of
tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality and accuracy
is not a necessity.

On 10/14/2015 11:13 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw
>>>>>>>> blades.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>>>>> panel,
>>>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll
>>>>>>>> saw
>>>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>>>>> brushed
>>>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I
>>>>>>> mounted
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>>>>> worked
>>>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> bit small.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>>>>> does
>>>>> a table saw
>>>>
>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
>>>> very
>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>>>> shoot a
>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds.
>>>> Blades
>>>> are
>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>> collection
>>>> is easier.
>>>
>>> Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
>>> working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
>>> projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.
>>>
>>> -jsw
>>>
>>>
>> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
>> .001"?
>
> I've never seen them need to, however I trim it that close for bearing
> spacers.
>
> -jsw
>
>
I don't recall the video mentioning trimming bearing spacers.

On 10/14/2015 1:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:10:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
>> Snip
>>
>>>>
>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>> collection is easier.
>>>
>>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
>>> some other saws.
>>>
>>
>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
>> cannot do easily.
>
> Thats true indeed. Which is why I have a Walker Turner 2 range 16"
> vertical bandsaw...
>
> But..it is...is a bit bigger and less handy to move around....(grin)
>

yeah! LOL. I was picturing a guy going up to one of his rental
properties and needing to cut some shoe molding or a short spacer to
fill in a gap.

On 10/15/2015 12:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> Steve W. wrote:
>>>>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held
>>>>>> jig saw cannot do easily.
>>
>>>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts
>>>>> a jig saw isn't what you want.
>>>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit
>>>> or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space
>>>> saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.
>>> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw,
>>
>> I'll have whatever he's having...
>>> tile with a wet saw. If you want to do the job right you use the
>>> correct tools.
>>
>> I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't
>> know what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like
>> flat bar) might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws
>> typically don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw
>> cannot cut straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't make
>> much deeper blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be
>> easier. Perhaps it's a torque/power issue.
>> I ordered a BladeRunner. I might also see about making a miniature
>> tablesaw out of a miniature circular saw, later. But only if aluminum
>> chips are less likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.
>
> How small? An easy way to cut aluminum is with a shear like this one.
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Plate-Shear-8-/H0733
>
>
>

Wow that's a great price.
but for limited work, a hack saw works well.



--
Jeff

On 10/15/2015 1:08 AM, John Doe wrote:
> "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Steve W. wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>
>>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
>>>>> saw cannot do easily.
>
>>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts
>>>> a jig saw isn't what you want.
>>>
>>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit
>>> or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space
>>> saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.
>>
>> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw,
>
> I'll have whatever he's having...
>
>> tile with a wet saw. If you want to do the job right you use the
>> correct tools.
>
> I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't know
> what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like flat bar)
> might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws typically
> don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw cannot cut
> straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't make much deeper
> blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be easier. Perhaps it's
> a torque/power issue.
>
> I ordered a BladeRunner. I might also see about making a miniature
> tablesaw out of a miniature circular saw, later. But only if aluminum
> chips are less likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.
>
Small pieces of flat bar might be better cut with a hack saw. if the
pieces are that small.

I have a powered hack saw, and still use a hand hack to cut small, or
tubing. Tubing will destroy the powered units blade, it binds. Its fine
for square tubing, but not round. Don't know why.



--
Jeff

On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:
> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>
> Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
> reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
> to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
> other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
> by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
> for the same purposes.

Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old sabre
saw a jig saw.

>
> This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
> and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
> saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
> anything it can do.

This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of nothing
but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig saw, table
saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple light weight task.

In a shop where the tools will remain this tool might qualify as the
first tool to be bought for a shop, one to get you by until you increase
your expectations.

John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
email.me:

> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>
> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>
> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209

Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
for the same purposes.

This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
anything it can do.

John

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:

>> Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
>> reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
>> to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
>> other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
>> by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
>> for the same purposes.
>
> Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old
> sabre saw a jig saw.

Yeah, the old jig saws had a thicker blade than a typical
scroll saw, a similar kerf to a bandsaw. That's why I
think they faded away - the fine blade of the scroll saw
is better for precise work, and the bandsaw is much faster
and cleaner for everything else.

>> This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
>> and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
>> saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
>> anything it can do.
>
> This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of
> nothing but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig
> saw, table saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple
> light weight task.

Good point, I hadn't considered job site uses. Altho I
suspect even there a handheld jigsaw (sabre saw) would
work just as well for less effort in most cases.

John

John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in news:mvmg4t$47l$1@dont-
email.me:

> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw,

Just for curiousity, why not?

Years ago I cut a significant amount of 1/8th aluminum with
a jigsaw, which turned out to be a mistake. Even blades
designed for aluminum are only intended for light duty,
and quickly dull, which then means there's a lot of heat
from friction, which then causes aluminum to build up on
the blade, which is the end of it.

If I had to do that again, I would get a non-ferrous blade
for my miter saw.

John

John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw,
>>
>> Just for curiousity, why not?
>
> It's little to do with the cutting itself.
>
> The reason is because it's a mess. It's okay if you enjoy aluminum
> showers. If you do it out in the backyard with a leaf blower aimed at
> the cutpoint, it should be okay. Also, it's difficult to hold small
> pieces without losing body parts. Miter saws are beasts. They work
> great for the cutting itself, but they are overkill for cutting
> aluminum.

Ah, point taken. Altho, a jigsaw generates plenty of aluminum
chips too.

In my case I was cutting 4" x 12" pieces, so the small parts
issue didn't arise, and a 4" cut would be easier with the miter
saw. I don't think holding small parts for a jigsaw would be
much easier, tho (even a fixed one - the reciprocating blade
action seems like it will be a problem). When I have small wooden
parts to cut, I always go to the bandsaw; if I had the same need
with aluminum I'd probably look for a suitable bandsaw blade.

John

John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>> Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the
>>> term "jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The
>>> terminology "jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that
>>> describes the movement of both tools.
>>
>> I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>> "Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>> (curves).
>
> The definition of "jig" clearly describes the movement of a jigsaw.
> The "jigsaw puzzle" was obviously a puzzle made by a jigsaw, now made
> by a scroll saw.
>
> But I'm not going to do the research, at the moment.

Yes, the "jig" part of "jigsaw" refers to the movement, being
similar to the motion of the dance called a "jig".

And, as you surmise, the jigsaw puzzle was originally cut on
the stationary kind of jigsaw - I made some that way in shop
class ages ago, altho both the saw and the idea of making
wooden puzzles were considered old-fashioned.

The etymology of "scroll saw" is more mysterious. I think it
originally was a handtool, akin to a fret saw or coping saw.
When and how the tool now known as a scroll saw got that name
I have no idea.

John

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 21:07:42 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:42:10 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> term "jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The
>>>>>> terminology "jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that
>>>>>> describes the movement of both tools.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>>>>> "Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>>>>> (curves).
>>>>
>>>> The definition of "jig" clearly describes the movement of a
>>>> jigsaw.
>>>> The "jigsaw puzzle" was obviously a puzzle made by a jigsaw, now
>>>> made
>>>> by a scroll saw.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm not going to do the research, at the moment.
>>>
>>>Yes, the "jig" part of "jigsaw" refers to the movement, being
>>>similar to the motion of the dance called a "jig".
>>>
>>>And, as you surmise, the jigsaw puzzle was originally cut on
>>>the stationary kind of jigsaw - I made some that way in shop
>>>class ages ago, altho both the saw and the idea of making
>>>wooden puzzles were considered old-fashioned.
>>>
>>>The etymology of "scroll saw" is more mysterious. I think it
>>>originally was a handtool, akin to a fret saw or coping saw.
>>>When and how the tool now known as a scroll saw got that name
>>>I have no idea.
>>>
>> A "scroll saw" looks and works a lot like a fret/coping saw.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrollwork
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabesque_(European_art)
>
OK, but I don't understand your point.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:36:11 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 02:45:31 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>
>>> Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
>>> To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
>>> which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
>>> see in a jigsaw puzzle.
>>
>>Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
>>"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
>>"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
>>of both tools.
>
>I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>"Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>(curves).

Who would have guessed that the term dates back to 1855?

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=jigsaw

From other sources, the first ones were treadle-powered, so it appears
that the stationary one came first. The electric hand tool apparently
came along in 1947. I would have thought earlier; maybe so.

--
Ed Huntress

On 10/14/2015 10:11 AM, Steve W. wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
>> Snip
>>
>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>>>> are
>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>> collection is easier.
>>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
>>> some other saws.
>>>
>>
>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
>> saw cannot do easily.
>
> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts a
> jig saw isn't what you want.
>
Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit or tile?
Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space saing multi
tool for a variety of reasons.

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>
> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>
> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>
> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
> limitation is thickness of material.
>
> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
> to help make straight cuts possible.
>
> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>
> Thanks.

I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:34:09 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:54:07 -0400, Ed Huntress
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:36:11 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 02:45:31 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>John Doe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>
>>>>> Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
>>>>> To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
>>>>> which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
>>>>> see in a jigsaw puzzle.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
>>>>"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
>>>>"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
>>>>of both tools.
>>>
>>>I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>>>"Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>>>(curves).
>>
>>Who would have guessed that the term dates back to 1855?
>>
>>http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=jigsaw
>>
>>From other sources, the first ones were treadle-powered, so it appears
>>that the stationary one came first. The electric hand tool apparently
>>came along in 1947. I would have thought earlier; maybe so.
>
>Interesting. I wonder if the term "jig" came from the saw, not the
>other way around.

That's a good question. I don't see anything about the origins of
"jig" in the sense of "jigs and fixtures." The up-and-down motion that
relates to a jig saw seems clear enough, but not the origin of, say,
"drill jig."

--
Ed Huntress

On 10/14/2015 4:14 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 10/14/2015 9:26 AM, John McCoy wrote:
>
>>> Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
>>> reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
>>> to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
>>> other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
>>> by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
>>> for the same purposes.
>>
>> Today we call the old jig saw a scroll saw. Today we call the old
>> sabre saw a jig saw.
>
> Yeah, the old jig saws had a thicker blade than a typical
> scroll saw, a similar kerf to a bandsaw. That's why I
> think they faded away - the fine blade of the scroll saw
> is better for precise work, and the bandsaw is much faster
> and cleaner for everything else.
>
>>> This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
>>> and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
>>> saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
>>> anything it can do.
>>
>> This tool, as I have mentioned on another comment is a master of
>> nothing but beats the heck out of taking a tile saw, scroll saw, jig
>> saw, table saw, band saw, or circular saw to a job site for a simple
>> light weight task.
>
> Good point, I hadn't considered job site uses. Altho I
> suspect even there a handheld jigsaw (sabre saw) would
> work just as well for less effort in most cases.
>
> John
>
Once upon a time I worked for a builder installing shoe molding. My
partner and I would do that work, he measured, I cut, he nailed.
With the newer style round cornered sheet rock you don't 45 the outside
corners rather you cut a piece of molding about 1" long with a 22.5
miter on both ends to go around the corner. Pieces this size tended to
launch from the miter saw and were too short for a jig saw, not to
mention not introducing a bevel to the miter when cutting a rounded top
piece of material. I think this jig saw in a box would be a good tool
for those tiny piece cuts.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:42:20 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>John Doe wrote:
>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>
>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>
>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>>
>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>
>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>>jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
>>up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>
>When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
>great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a bit
>small.

And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
a table saw

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in news:mvk1at$qmu$1@dont-
>email.me:
>
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>
>Once upon a long time ago, there were stationary
>reciprocating saws that were called jigsaws (used
>to make wooden interlocking piece puzzles, amoung
>other purposes). Those have long since been replaced
>by scroll saws and bandsaws, which work far better
>for the same purposes.
>
>This product seems to be reinventing that wheel,
>and I don't really see a case where either a scroll
>saw or a bandsaw wouldn't be a better tool for
>anything it can do.
>
>John

its nothing more than a die filer that runs a blade. Which most die
filers could do.

http://www.gadgetbuilder.com/Die_Filer.jpg

The sole advantage over most die filers..is the ability to support the
top of the blade..which SOME die filers could do.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Jrouche/media/DF.jpg.html

Nearly all die filers either came with the support or it was available
as an acessory.

I am rather fascinated by this new one having a vertical support that
is thin enough to allow it to go into the kerf so you can cut a long
piece. Hopefuly..no one applys TOO much side force to that
support..and its heat treated really good..so it doesnt bend if you
bump it or bang it around.

I loaned my last die filer to someone..and it never came back, now
that I think about it. Humm...now who did I loan it
to......damnit....

Gunner

On 10/13/2015 7:15 PM, Michael wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 5:43:43 PM UTC-5, John Doe wrote:
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>
>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>
>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>
>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> I shall be owning one of these. The excuse will be cutting tile to lay down some tile, but it looks like a really portable, safe, versatile, and, for 100 bucks, a really affordable tool for a lot of other things.
>
I would not want to cut more than a single tile with this particular
tool. Yo can do much better with a tile saw in the same price range.

Skil, $129

http://www.lowes.com/pd_564456-46922-3550-01_0__?k_clickID=86e8420d-2a5c-44b6-844a-10acf766fee9&store_code=1898&productId=50133062&selectedLocalStoreBeanArray=%5Bcom.lowes.commerce.storelocator.beans.LocatorStoreBean%40674f674f%5D&storeNumber=1898&kpid=50133062&cm_mmc=SCE_PLA-_-ToolsAndHardware-_-FlooringSaws-_-50133062%3ASkil&CAWELAID=&CAWELAID=320011480001747499

$66

http://www.zoro.com/qep-portable-tile-saw-wet-cut-7-in-blade-60089q/i/G1013074/?gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFXtnOKvm_UYOdHlaHCZ1Zb_C2goJGsWNWAZTZ1lSQixoCxafw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

At Home Depot, $54.97

http://www.homedepot.com/p/QEP-3-5-HP-4-in-Torque-Master-Tile-Saw-22400Q/205621579?cm_mmc=SEM|THD|google|D23+Tile&mid=sbpevjlzU|dc_mtid_8903pdd25182_pcrid_64456967728_pkw__pmt__product_205621579&gclid=CjwKEAjw-vewBRDH1-b52Lig1hkSJACTPfVFokplbkwW598qS0UTXdZyXzW3IVGPmJGto5uM53k7xRoCMcPw_wcB

Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:

> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> John Doe wrote:

>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>
>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>
>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>
>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>> bit small.
>
> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
> a table saw

Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
is easier.

Bullshit troll...

--
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> John Doe wrote:
>> Gunner Asch <gunnerasch gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> krw <krw nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> "G. Ross" <gwr95 comwest.net> wrote:
>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>>> bit small.
>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
>>> a table saw
>>
>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
>> is easier.
>
> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
> some other saws.
>
> --
> Steve W.
>

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote:

> [email protected] says...
>> John Doe wrote:

>> > ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>> >
>> > What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> > jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>> > I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>> > bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>> > be an allusion...
>> >
>> > https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>> >
>> > I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
>> > but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
>> > the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>> > suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>> >
>> > Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>> > straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>> > blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>> >
>> > I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>> > universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
>> > a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
>> up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>
> I think if there's a real benefit to the Rockwell it would be
> providing a guide for the tip end of the blade

According to the manual, there appears to be such a guide on the new
cheaper version. But how well it guides depends on the stability of
the arm.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/27532210@N04/

"John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>> down
>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>> must
>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>> panel,
>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>> through
>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>> making
>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>> brushed
>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>> uses
>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>
>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
>>>> my
>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>
>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>> worked
>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>> bit small.
>>
>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>> does
>> a table saw
>
> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
> very
> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
> shoot a
> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
> are
> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
> collection
> is easier.

Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.

-jsw

"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw
>>>>>>> blades.
>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>>>> panel,
>>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll
>>>>>>> saw
>>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>>>> brushed
>>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>
>>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I
>>>>>> mounted
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>>>> worked
>>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some.
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed
>>>>> a
>>>>> bit small.
>>>>
>>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>>>> does
>>>> a table saw
>>>
>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
>>> very
>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>>> shoot a
>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds.
>>> Blades
>>> are
>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>> collection
>>> is easier.
>>
>> Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
>> working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
>> projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.
>>
>> -jsw
>>
>>
> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
> .001"?

I've never seen them need to, however I trim it that close for bearing
spacers.

-jsw

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> Ross wrote:
>> John Doe wrote:

>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or
>>> a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an
>>> allusion...
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>
>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose
>>> its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>
>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>
>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.

>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
>> up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>
> I think I was 11 years old when I built a table to hold my jig saw
> like that.

"Live out those childhood fantasies with your new BladeRunner X2!"

Seems to me it would be okay with a speed control on it. Apparently it's
compatible with a speed controller, being a brushed universal motor.

It's better than anything homebuilt.

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

> Gunner Asch wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:

>>> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
>>> .001"?
>>
>> Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?
>
> Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no variety of
> tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality and
> accuracy is not a necessity.

I've been trying for weeks to get the Sears online store to send their
Craftsman 10 inch bandsaw to me. If that effort continues to fail, I
will buy the BladeRunner soon. It's the most disorganized online store.
I have been trying to avoid it, but like the website says that bandsaw
is a "special purchase". It's been an adventure so far.

Concerns I have about the BladeRunner...

Difficult to feed material, but no worse than a jigsaw.

Not neat as a bandsaw for cutting aluminum flat bar.

Trouble cutting 2 x 4 due to thickness, but hopefully better than a
jigsaw. I have a miter saw that can be used if necessary. Probably a
good complement to the upside down jigsaw.

Not variable speed, and loud. But hopefully a speed controller will
help.

I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw, so I need something
else. I should have thought of alternatives to the miter saw a long time
ago. I was turned off by a POS 9 inch Delta bandsaw many years ago.

If it cuts aluminum flat bar better than I expect it will, it will be
worth it for that alone.

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:

>> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw,
>
> Just for curiousity, why not?

It's little to do with the cutting itself.

The reason is because it's a mess. It's okay if you enjoy aluminum
showers. If you do it out in the backyard with a leaf blower aimed at
the cutpoint, it should be okay. Also, it's difficult to hold small
pieces without losing body parts. Miter saws are beasts. They work great
for the cutting itself, but they are overkill for cutting aluminum.

There's also the possibility of jamming, more violent than with wood.
That happened to me recently, bent the aluminum flat bar pretty good.
Apparently it didn't damage the miter saw or the IRWIN Marples 80-tooth
blade.

> Years ago I cut a significant amount of 1/8th aluminum with a jigsaw,
> which turned out to be a mistake. Even blades designed for aluminum
> are only intended for light duty,

So use a blade that's not intended for light duty.

> If I had to do that again, I would get a non-ferrous blade for my
> miter saw.

Too bad it's not going to happen, because I'd like to hear about it.

"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>>John Doe wrote:

>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>> be an allusion...

> Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
> To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
> which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
> see in a jigsaw puzzle.

Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
of both tools.

--





>
> However, when you talk of an "upside-down jigsaw", I think of
> what was called a saber saw when I bought one as a kid in about 1958 or
> so. Yes, I later added the table to hold it upside down -- doing my
> work on the fourth floor of my parent's house, where a table saw would
> be a major problem to get up the narrow stairs -- *if* I could have
> afforded one at the time. And my use was for cutting out various arms
> and levers for making a 10-1/2" reel-to-reel tape deck, using 1/4"
> aluminum stock for the task.
>
> I would have loved to have a vertical bandsaw for the task. I
> did a lot of cutting with that thing, and a lot of file work to clean up
> the sides.
>
> These days, an intersting floor mounted table for a Milwaukee
> reciprocating saw might make that an easier task. (But I don't think
> that those even existed at the time.) It would have the advantage of
> different blades for curved cuts or straight cuts (same as a bandsaw
> with a choice of blade widths.)
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.
>

"Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:

> Leon wrote:
>> Steve W. wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:

>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
>>>> saw cannot do easily.

>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts
>>> a jig saw isn't what you want.
>>
>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit
>> or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space
>> saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.
>
> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw,

I'll have whatever he's having...

> tile with a wet saw. If you want to do the job right you use the
> correct tools.

I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't know
what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like flat bar)
might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws typically
don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw cannot cut
straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't make much deeper
blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be easier. Perhaps it's
a torque/power issue.

I ordered a BladeRunner. I might also see about making a miniature
tablesaw out of a miniature circular saw, later. But only if aluminum
chips are less likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.

"John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>> Steve W. wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>
>>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held
>>>>> jig
>>>>> saw cannot do easily.
>
>>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise
>>>> cuts
>>>> a jig saw isn't what you want.
>>>
>>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut
>>> conduit
>>> or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space
>>> saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.
>>
>> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw,
>
> I'll have whatever he's having...
>
>> tile with a wet saw. If you want to do the job right you use the
>> correct tools.
>
> I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't
> know
> what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like flat
> bar)
> might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws typically
> don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw cannot cut
> straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't make much
> deeper
> blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be easier. Perhaps
> it's
> a torque/power issue.
>
> I ordered a BladeRunner. I might also see about making a miniature
> tablesaw out of a miniature circular saw, later. But only if
> aluminum
> chips are less likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.

http://xacto.com/products/cutting-solutions/tools-accessories/tools-accessories/Small-Mitre-Box-Set.aspx
Slower cut, quicker cleanup.

John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:

> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>> John McCoy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw,
>>>
>>> Just for curiousity, why not?
>>
>> It's little to do with the cutting itself.
>>
>> The reason is because it's a mess. It's okay if you enjoy aluminum
>> showers. If you do it out in the backyard with a leaf blower aimed at
>> the cutpoint, it should be okay. Also, it's difficult to hold small
>> pieces without losing body parts. Miter saws are beasts. They work
>> great for the cutting itself, but they are overkill for cutting
>> aluminum.
>
> Ah, point taken. Altho, a jigsaw generates plenty of aluminum chips
> too.

Hopefully the dust port will handle it.

Aluminum chips are still my concern with making a small tablesaw out of
a small circular saw.

> In my case I was cutting 4" x 12" pieces, so the small parts issue
> didn't arise, and a 4" cut would be easier with the miter saw. I
> don't think holding small parts for a jigsaw would be much easier, tho

It is because of the risk. Miter saws don't have the fixture for small
pieces.

> (even a fixed one - the reciprocating blade action seems like it will
> be a problem).

Agreed. Will see. I haven't seen anybody cut aluminum flat bar with the
BladeRunner.

> When I have small wooden parts to cut, I always go to the bandsaw; if
> I had the same need with aluminum I'd probably look for a suitable
> bandsaw blade.

Seems to me that a bandsaw with only one additional speed (slow) would
be great for cutting small-regular size pieces aluminum (and maybe some
other metals). Seems like that would make a bandsaw significantly more
versatile. Maybe it's just not in demand.

The closest I see is the variable speed miniature bandsaw Proxxon 37172
that costs $350-$400.

krw <[email protected]> wrote:

> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>>> down jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw
>>>>>>> blades. I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools
>>>>>>> like a bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this
>>>>>>> demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>>> Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning. To
>>> me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
>>> which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
>>> see in a jigsaw puzzle.
>>
>> Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the
>> term "jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The
>> terminology "jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes
>> the movement of both tools.
>
> I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
> "Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
> (curves).

The definition of "jig" clearly describes the movement of a jigsaw. The
"jigsaw puzzle" was obviously a puzzle made by a jigsaw, now made by a
scroll saw.

But I'm not going to do the research, at the moment.

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 10/15/2015 1:08 AM, John Doe wrote:
>> "Steve W." <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> Steve W. wrote:
>>>>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held
>>>>>> jig saw cannot do easily.
>>
>>>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise
>>>>> cuts a jig saw isn't what you want.
>>>>
>>>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit
>>>> or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space
>>>> saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.
>>>
>>> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw,
>>
>> I'll have whatever he's having...
>>
>>> tile with a wet saw. If you want to do the job right you use the
>>> correct tools.
>>
>> I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't
>> know what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like
>> flat bar) might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws
>> typically don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw
>> cannot cut straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't make
>> much deeper blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be
>> easier. Perhaps it's a torque/power issue.
>>
>> I ordered a BladeRunner. I might also see about making a miniature
>> tablesaw out of a miniature circular saw, later. But only if aluminum
>> chips are less likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.
>>
> Small pieces of flat bar might be better cut with a hack saw. if the
> pieces are that small.

They aren't too small for a bandsaw. But they are too small for a miter
saw (besides the aluminum showers). Too bad typical bandsaws don't have
one additional speed (slow). That would make a bandsaw a no-brainer for
me.

--




>
> I have a powered hack saw, and still use a hand hack to cut small, or
> tubing. Tubing will destroy the powered units blade, it binds. Its
> fine for square tubing, but not round. Don't know why.
>
>
>

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 10/14/2015 5:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
>>>>> .001"?
>>>>
>>>> Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?
>>>
>>> Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no variety
>>> of tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality and
>>> accuracy is not a necessity.
>>
>> I've been trying for weeks to get the Sears online store to send
>> their Craftsman 10 inch bandsaw to me. If that effort continues to
>> fail, I will buy the BladeRunner soon. It's the most disorganized
>> online store. I have been trying to avoid it, but like the website
>> says that bandsaw is a "special purchase". It's been an adventure so
>> far.
>>
>> Concerns I have about the BladeRunner...
>>
>> Difficult to feed material, but no worse than a jigsaw.
>>
>> Not neat as a bandsaw for cutting aluminum flat bar.
>>
>> Trouble cutting 2 x 4 due to thickness, but hopefully better than a
>> jigsaw. I have a miter saw that can be used if necessary. Probably a
>> good complement to the upside down jigsaw.
>>
>> Not variable speed, and loud. But hopefully a speed controller will
>> help.
>>
>> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw, so I need
>> something else. I should have thought of alternatives to the miter
>> saw a long time ago. I was turned off by a POS 9 inch Delta bandsaw
>> many years ago.
>>
>> If it cuts aluminum flat bar better than I expect it will, it will be
>> worth it for that alone.
>>
>
> Why not try Highland, for $20 more for the Rikon, which is what this
> sears branded one is.
> http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/rikon10bandsaw.aspx

"This item has a $43 shipping surcharge in addition to standard
shipping"

A bandsaw would be an excellent all-around saw if they typically
included one additional speed (slow).

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woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> John Doe wrote:

>> I've been trying for weeks to get the Sears online store to send
>> their Craftsman 10 inch bandsaw to me. If that effort continues to
>> fail, I will buy the BladeRunner soon. It's the most disorganized
>> online store. I have been trying to avoid it, but like the website
>> says that bandsaw is a "Hot Buy". It's been an adventure so far.

> Why not try Highland, for $20 more for the Rikon, which is what this
> sears branded one is.
> http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/rikon10bandsaw.aspx

By the way... I did very much shopping on the subject. Seems the
Highland store is selling a recently outdated model. They are selling
the model with only one knob for the top door. But when I downloaded
their PDF manual for that product, it shows the model with two knobs for
the top door.

If you want the most updated and crisp clean version of the manual for
the Sears 10 inch bandsaw, download that from the Highland website. It
even has a slightly better parts diagram. That is assuming they haven't
changed the PDF file since I downloaded it. I brought it to their
attention, so they might.

woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve W. wrote:
>> John Doe wrote:
>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>>> Steve W. wrote:
>>>>>> Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held
>>>>>>> jig saw cannot do easily.
>>>
>>>>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>>>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise
>>>>>> cuts a jig saw isn't what you want.

>>>>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut
>>>>> conduit or tile? Granted this tool is not a master of anything but
>>>>> a space saing multi tool for a variety of reasons.

>>> I have put a lot of thought into it over the years but still don't
>>> know what the right tool for cutting small pieces of aluminum (like
>>> flat bar) might be, except maybe a bandsaw, but inexpensive bandsaws
>>> typically don't have speed control. I've heard that a scroll saw
>>> cannot cut straight without a fight. I don't know why they don't
>>> make much deeper blades for scroll saws so cutting straight would be
>>> easier. Perhaps it's a torque/power issue. I ordered a BladeRunner.
>>> I might also see about making a miniature tablesaw out of a
>>> miniature circular saw, later. But only if aluminum chips are less
>>> likely to fly everywhere than when using a chop saw.
>>
>> How small? An easy way to cut aluminum is with a shear like this
>> one.
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Plate-Shear-8-/H0733
>
> Wow that's a great price. but for limited work, a hack saw works well.

Occasionally I used a bolt cutter for appropriate size pieces. Ultra
quick and no mess but usually requires filing.

"John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> woodchucker <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 10/14/2015 5:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
>>>>>> .001"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no
>>>> variety
>>>> of tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality
>>>> and
>>>> accuracy is not a necessity.
>>>
>>> I've been trying for weeks to get the Sears online store to send
>>> their Craftsman 10 inch bandsaw to me. If that effort continues to
>>> fail, I will buy the BladeRunner soon. It's the most disorganized
>>> online store. I have been trying to avoid it, but like the website
>>> says that bandsaw is a "special purchase". It's been an adventure
>>> so
>>> far.
>>>
>>> Concerns I have about the BladeRunner...
>>>
>>> Difficult to feed material, but no worse than a jigsaw.
>>>
>>> Not neat as a bandsaw for cutting aluminum flat bar.
>>>
>>> Trouble cutting 2 x 4 due to thickness, but hopefully better than
>>> a
>>> jigsaw. I have a miter saw that can be used if necessary. Probably
>>> a
>>> good complement to the upside down jigsaw.
>>>
>>> Not variable speed, and loud. But hopefully a speed controller
>>> will
>>> help.
>>>
>>> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw, so I need
>>> something else. I should have thought of alternatives to the miter
>>> saw a long time ago. I was turned off by a POS 9 inch Delta
>>> bandsaw
>>> many years ago.
>>>
>>> If it cuts aluminum flat bar better than I expect it will, it will
>>> be
>>> worth it for that alone.
>>>
>>
>> Why not try Highland, for $20 more for the Rikon, which is what
>> this
>> sears branded one is.
>> http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/rikon10bandsaw.aspx
>
> "This item has a $43 shipping surcharge in addition to standard
> shipping"
>
> A bandsaw would be an excellent all-around saw if they typically
> included one additional speed (slow).

http://www.grizzly.com/products/4-x-6-Metal-Cutting-Bandsaw/G0622

Their only serious limitation is the small clearance for ripping on
the left side of the blade. My Delta 4x6 bandsaw can rip long stock to
2-7/8" wide or cut 4-5/8" deep into a wider piece, as I found out
while cutting 5/16" steel plate into many 2" squares and two 6"
triangles.

"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:42:10 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in
>>news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain
>>>>> the
>>>>> term "jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The
>>>>> terminology "jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that
>>>>> describes the movement of both tools.
>>>>
>>>> I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>>>> "Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>>>> (curves).
>>>
>>> The definition of "jig" clearly describes the movement of a
>>> jigsaw.
>>> The "jigsaw puzzle" was obviously a puzzle made by a jigsaw, now
>>> made
>>> by a scroll saw.
>>>
>>> But I'm not going to do the research, at the moment.
>>
>>Yes, the "jig" part of "jigsaw" refers to the movement, being
>>similar to the motion of the dance called a "jig".
>>
>>And, as you surmise, the jigsaw puzzle was originally cut on
>>the stationary kind of jigsaw - I made some that way in shop
>>class ages ago, altho both the saw and the idea of making
>>wooden puzzles were considered old-fashioned.
>>
>>The etymology of "scroll saw" is more mysterious. I think it
>>originally was a handtool, akin to a fret saw or coping saw.
>>When and how the tool now known as a scroll saw got that name
>>I have no idea.
>>
> A "scroll saw" looks and works a lot like a fret/coping saw.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrollwork
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabesque_(European_art)

https://youtu.be/NzRSE-ZMdR8?t=51

A miniature tablesaw for cutting aluminum pieces.

Preliminarily speaking...

Cut a 0.125" x 0.5" aluminum flat bar. Kind of slow. Kind of rough. What
you might expect from an upside down jigsaw. Little pieces can fall down
into the blade slot.

Scroll cut some one inch wood (pine I guess). Cuts okay.

Used the attachment with a 10 amp vacuum attached. There is some dust
underneath the device and a small amount on the table, anyway.

Looks like they use very small ball bearings for the blade guide that
barely covers the blade (from the back) less than 1/8 inch. I really
don't understand why use a ball bearing blade guide on a jigsaw. Seems
like cool blocks (or whatever they're called) would do at least as well
as blade guide material since the blade reverses direction every 3/4
inches.

The arm is not solid, as expected. It probably cannot be made solid
being so thin (.067 inches, 1.7 mm). It's that thin so long material can
move through it. I'd rather have a solid blade guide without that long
cut capability.

Lots of plastic, but it looks well made and it's well packaged (unlike
typical Chinese stuff). Apparently they do use steel inserts for the
clamping screws. Yay.

No surprises. Looks like it will be useful as an upside down jigsaw.
Much better than anything I could make.

Looks like a nice complement to a similarly sized (small) table saw. But
I think a wood cutting bandsaw with one additional (slow) speed would be
excellent. Unless you want to frequently change blades.

On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 00:25:56 +0000 (UTC)
John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:

<snip>
>The arm is not solid, as expected. It probably cannot be made solid
>being so thin (.067 inches, 1.7 mm). It's that thin so long material can
>move through it. I'd rather have a solid blade guide without that long
>cut capability.

That sounds a lot like a scroll saw ;-)

The 16 inch models were/are really common. Usually have variable speed
control and the table can be tilted too. For example:

http://www.harborfreight.com/16-inch-variable-speed-scroll-saw-93012.html

Maybe watch Craig's list for a cheap used one. Bought mine maybe 20
years ago, an inexpensive Ryobi. Looks darn near identical to that HF
model...

They also make adapter tables for the hand-held bandsaws. Like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JILHZI5sxg

You are rather limited on blade choices though, namely just tpi.

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I did look hard at scroll saws.

The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble cutting
straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight cut.

I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they are
not meant for making even short straight cuts.

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote:

> "John Doe" wrote:
>
>> I did look hard at scroll saws.
>>
>> The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
>> cutting straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a
>> straight cut.
>>
>> I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
>> are not meant for making even short straight cuts.

> How well can you follow a straight drawn line freehand with a scroll
> saw?
>
> That's the limit of how straight you're your cut line will be.
>
> It's also the technique used by die board tooling makers.

I have no idea what you're trying to say, to that point.

The only videos I have seen on YouTube that show cutting a straight line
on a scroll saw, make it look like a hassle.

Yours would be a valuable contribution, if you can show how to easily
make straight cuts with a scroll saw.

Are you saying that cutting a straight line on a scroll saw is the test of
whether you can skillfully use a scroll saw? I guess that's fine, it's
just not normal for a saw to require skill to cut a straight line. So it's
not made for cutting straight lines. And it requires some skill to cut any
sort of line. I can accept that.

Enjoy your scroll saw.

--









>
> No problem cutting a 12"-15" straight line in 11 ply (5/8") die board.
>
> Think of a valve cover gasket for an engine.
>
> The cutting die to stamp the cover gasket uses the above technique.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't try to cut material much beyond 1" in
> thickness.
>
> You're trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.
>
> Lew
>
>

"John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I did look hard at scroll saws.
>
> The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
> cutting
> straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
> cut.
>
> I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
> are
> not meant for making even short straight cuts.

Users who have trouble cutting straight say that. The ones with better
skill / coordination / eyesight don't.

Can you draw a straight line with a pencil?

As I'm sure this persistent troll knows, I've already agreed with the
idea that if you are skilled at using a scroll saw, you can cut
straight. But clearly cutting straight is not what scroll saws are made
for. Otherwise they would have guides. Otherwise there would be YouTube
videos showing how easy it is to make a straight cut on a scroll saw.
They don't and there isn't.


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>>I did look hard at scroll saws.
>>
>> The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
>> cutting
>> straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
>> cut.
>>
>> I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they
>> are
>> not meant for making even short straight cuts.
>
> Users who have trouble cutting straight say that. The ones with better
> skill / coordination / eyesight don't.
>
> Can you draw a straight line with a pencil?
>
>
>
>
>

You could try to adapt to what the rest of the world has done instead
of demanding that it must accomodate you.

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> As I'm sure this persistent troll knows, I've already agreed with
> the
> idea that if you are skilled at using a scroll saw, you can cut
> straight. But clearly cutting straight is not what scroll saws are
> made
> for. Otherwise they would have guides. Otherwise there would be
> YouTube
> videos showing how easy it is to make a straight cut on a scroll
> saw.
> They don't and there isn't.
>
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>>>I did look hard at scroll saws.
>>>
>>> The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble
>>> cutting
>>> straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight
>>> cut.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently
>>> they
>>> are
>>> not meant for making even short straight cuts.
>>
>> Users who have trouble cutting straight say that. The ones with
>> better
>> skill / coordination / eyesight don't.
>>
>> Can you draw a straight line with a pencil?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 01:19:35 +0000 (UTC)
John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:

>I did look hard at scroll saws.
>
>The problem with scroll saws is that users say they have trouble cutting
>straight. Of course one of the most common cuts is just a straight cut.
>
>I haven't seen a scroll saw with any sort of guide. Apparently they are
>not meant for making even short straight cuts.

They are available, but maybe not big enough for your needs:

http://www.micromark.com/microlux-mini-scroll-saw-for-hobby-use,7114.html

An old review here:

http://www.arizonarails.com/multi_scroll_saw_review.html

You might want to look through Micro-Marts site/catalog for other ideas
too. There prices aren't the best but they do carry a lot of specialty
items.

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I'm impressed. With the rip fence and the miter thingy, it's really
versatile. Also, I installed a speed controller for $11 that should
easily handle the power. It should do well for occasionally building
small things. My miter saw might not be necessary.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:41:33 +0000 (UTC)
John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?

i dunno it looks like a reasonable idea
but it is so slow

i would never buy one
might be a nice tool for a kid to have

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 11:41:04 -0700, Gunner Asch <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>wrote:
>
>>On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>>>>> panel,
>>>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>>>>> brushed
>>>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>>>>> worked
>>>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>>>>> bit small.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>>>>> does
>>>>> a table saw
>>>>
>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
>>>> very
>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>>>> shoot a
>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>>>> are
>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>> collection
>>>> is easier.
>>>
>>> Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
>>> working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
>>> projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.
>>>
>>> -jsw
>>>
>>>
>>Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?
>
>Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?

You just move it a bit to fit, unless you are into 1" or bigger.

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote:

> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>
> i dunno it looks like a reasonable idea but it is so slow

It's a jigsaw.

> i would never buy one

You are hereby and henceforth prohibited from buying one, ever.

> might be a nice tool for a kid to have

A kid that designs and builds stuff, like me.

I'm enjoying it.

But it might need a little more ventilation, seems to overheat.

On 10/14/2015 10:52 PM, Steve W. wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 10/14/2015 10:11 AM, Steve W. wrote:
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>> On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
>>>> Snip
>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>>>>>> shoot a
>>>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>>>> collection is easier.
>>>>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>>>>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as
>>>>> fast as
>>>>> some other saws.
>>>>>
>>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig
>>>> saw cannot do easily.
>>> No, but that is why you own a scroll saw. This thing looks like a
>>> solution in search of a problem. If you're doing small precise cuts a
>>> jig saw isn't what you want.
>>>
>> Would you take a scroll saw to a job location and or to cut conduit or
>> tile?
>> Granted this tool is not a master of anything but a space saing multi
>> tool for a variety of reasons.
>
> Conduit gets cut with a tubing cutter or a fine tooth hacksaw, tile with
> a wet saw.
> If you want to do the job right you use the correct tools.
>
Ok, Of course you are correct and excuse me for suggesting that this
might be handy for some one that does not want to invest in a wide
variety of tools which this one might be a substitute. Not every one
does this type work on a daily basis and he or she may simply need to
use it a time or two on a piece or two.

Obviously this is not a pro tool and would never replace a pro tool for
daily use by a pro. Perhaps you did not recognize that and thought that
this tool was intended for pro daily use.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 02:45:31 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>John Doe wrote:
>
>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>>> be an allusion...
>
>> Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
>> To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
>> which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you
>> see in a jigsaw puzzle.
>
>Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the term
>"jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The terminology
>"jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that describes the movement
>of both tools.

I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
"Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
(curves).

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:10:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
>Snip
>
>>>
>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>> collection is easier.
>>
>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
>> some other saws.
>>
>
>The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
>cannot do easily.

Thats true indeed. Which is why I have a Walker Turner 2 range 16"
vertical bandsaw...

But..it is...is a bit bigger and less handy to move around....(grin)

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 20:42:10 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>John Doe <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> John Doe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> Yes, maybe "jigsaw" changed to "scroll saw". That would explain the
>>>> term "jigsaw puzzles" instead of "scroll saw puzzles". The
>>>> terminology "jigsaw" probably came from the word "jig" that
>>>> describes the movement of both tools.
>>>
>>> I think "jigsaw" came from a saw used for jig (pattern) making.
>>> "Scroll saw" obviously was a term used for a tool to cut scrolls
>>> (curves).
>>
>> The definition of "jig" clearly describes the movement of a jigsaw.
>> The "jigsaw puzzle" was obviously a puzzle made by a jigsaw, now made
>> by a scroll saw.
>>
>> But I'm not going to do the research, at the moment.
>
>Yes, the "jig" part of "jigsaw" refers to the movement, being
>similar to the motion of the dance called a "jig".
>
>And, as you surmise, the jigsaw puzzle was originally cut on
>the stationary kind of jigsaw - I made some that way in shop
>class ages ago, altho both the saw and the idea of making
>wooden puzzles were considered old-fashioned.
>
>The etymology of "scroll saw" is more mysterious. I think it
>originally was a handtool, akin to a fret saw or coping saw.
>When and how the tool now known as a scroll saw got that name
>I have no idea.
>
A "scroll saw" looks and works a lot like a fret/coping saw.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>John Doe wrote:
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>
>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>
>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>
>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking
>up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.

When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a bit
small.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:38:18 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/14/2015 1:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:10:59 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
>>> Snip
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>>>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>>>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>>>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>>>> collection is easier.
>>>>
>>>> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
>>>> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
>>>> some other saws.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
>>> cannot do easily.
>>
>> Thats true indeed. Which is why I have a Walker Turner 2 range 16"
>> vertical bandsaw...
>>
>> But..it is...is a bit bigger and less handy to move around....(grin)
>>
>
>yeah! LOL. I was picturing a guy going up to one of his rental
>properties and needing to cut some shoe molding or a short spacer to
>fill in a gap.

Oh I can see the weather stripping guys would LOVE this little saw and
maybe even the tile guys for repairs. Its not a universal tool, for
for a lot of things..it fills in a good sized hole in the tool
arsenal, from the looks of it.

Gunner

On 10/14/2015 5:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>> Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>
>>>> Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of
>>>> .001"?
>>>
>>> Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?
>>
>> Exactly. This tool is designed to give the person with no variety of
>> tools a start. And can do the job of many tools if quality and
>> accuracy is not a necessity.
>
> I've been trying for weeks to get the Sears online store to send their
> Craftsman 10 inch bandsaw to me. If that effort continues to fail, I
> will buy the BladeRunner soon. It's the most disorganized online store.
> I have been trying to avoid it, but like the website says that bandsaw
> is a "special purchase". It's been an adventure so far.
>
> Concerns I have about the BladeRunner...
>
> Difficult to feed material, but no worse than a jigsaw.
>
> Not neat as a bandsaw for cutting aluminum flat bar.
>
> Trouble cutting 2 x 4 due to thickness, but hopefully better than a
> jigsaw. I have a miter saw that can be used if necessary. Probably a
> good complement to the upside down jigsaw.
>
> Not variable speed, and loud. But hopefully a speed controller will
> help.
>
> I just can't cut aluminum flat bar with a miter saw, so I need something
> else. I should have thought of alternatives to the miter saw a long time
> ago. I was turned off by a POS 9 inch Delta bandsaw many years ago.
>
> If it cuts aluminum flat bar better than I expect it will, it will be
> worth it for that alone.
>

Why not try Highland, for $20 more for the Rikon, which is what this
sears branded one is.
http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/rikon10bandsaw.aspx


--
Jeff

On 2015-10-14, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 21:42:20 -0400, krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:41:36 -0400, "G. Ross" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>John Doe wrote:
>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>
>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>>>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>>>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...

Over the years, the term jigsaw seems to have changed meaning.
To me, it was a saw with a table, and an overhead spring-loaded arm
which used coping saw blades. Great for the kind of curved cuts you see
in a jigsaw puzzle.

However, when you talk of an "upside-down jigsaw", I think of
what was called a saber saw when I bought one as a kid in about 1958 or
so. Yes, I later added the table to hold it upside down -- doing my
work on the fourth floor of my parent's house, where a table saw would
be a major problem to get up the narrow stairs -- *if* I could have
afforded one at the time. And my use was for cutting out various arms
and levers for making a 10-1/2" reel-to-reel tape deck, using 1/4"
aluminum stock for the task.

I would have loved to have a vertical bandsaw for the task. I
did a lot of cutting with that thing, and a lot of file work to clean up
the sides.

These days, an intersting floor mounted table for a Milwaukee
reciprocating saw might make that an easier task. (But I don't think
that those even existed at the time.) It would have the advantage of
different blades for curved cuts or straight cuts (same as a bandsaw
with a choice of blade widths.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 10/13/2015 6:41 PM, G. Ross wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>
>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades. I'm
>> sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a bandsaw or a
>> tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must be an allusion...
>>
>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>
>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel, but
>> that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through the neck
>> of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I suppose its main
>> limitation is thickness of material.
>>
>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw blades
>> to help make straight cuts possible.
>>
>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses a
>> hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my jig
> saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade sticking up
> through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>

I think I was 11 years old when I built a table to hold my jig saw like
that.

On 10/13/2015 10:58 PM, Steve W. wrote:
Snip

>>
>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>> collection is easier.
>
> 40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
> easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
> some other saws.
>

The beauty is being able to cut small pieces, which a hand held jig saw
cannot do easily.

On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>
>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>> down
>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>>> panel,
>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>>> brushed
>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>>> uses
>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>
>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
>>>>> my
>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>>
>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>>> worked
>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>>> bit small.
>>>
>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>>> does
>>> a table saw
>>
>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
>> very
>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>> shoot a
>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>> are
>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>> collection
>> is easier.
>
> Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
> working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
> projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.
>
> -jsw
>
>
Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 03:27:04 +0000 (UTC), John Doe
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>
>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>
>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>> bit small.
>>
>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
>> a table saw
>
>Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
>light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
>board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
>dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
>is easier.
\
True indeed. I do like the 3 yr warranty..assuming they actually
honor it.

Ive got jig saws up the ass that do all the above stuff without the
table, quite nicely. Along with a table saw, radial arm saw, worm
drive saws, standard circular saws etc etc etc. Too many in fact. How
many palm sanders does a guy really..really need? Shrug

If a guy/gal needs some power tools that will cut wood...they
could..could do worse than buying this device. It does look handy and
well made....

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 09:13:38 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 10/14/2015 6:41 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "John Doe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long
>>>>>>> panel,
>>>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a
>>>>>>> brushed
>>>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It
>>>>>>> uses
>>>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>>>
>>>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It
>>>>> worked
>>>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>>>> bit small.
>>>>
>>>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than
>>>> does
>>>> a table saw
>>>
>>> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's
>>> very
>>> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont
>>> shoot a
>>> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades
>>> are
>>> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust
>>> collection
>>> is easier.
>>
>> Metalworking machines can be accurate to around 0.001" or so. If
>> working to pencil-line accuracy, 1/32", is good enough for your
>> projects then you could get away with cheaper woodworking machines.
>>
>> -jsw
>>
>>
>Have you ever seen an electrician cut conduit to an accuracy of .001"?

Or even need to have a true 90 on the end?

John Doe wrote:
> Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> John Doe wrote:
>
>>>>> ...and isn't afraid to admit it?
>>>>>
>>>>> What's wrong with a commercial product that employs an upside down
>>>>> jigsaw? Uses standard, or at least semi-standard, jigsaw blades.
>>>>> I'm sure it pales in comparison to using common tools like a
>>>>> bandsaw or a tablesaw, but if it's a toy, this demonstration must
>>>>> be an allusion...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/Ni_jVfZ5UAM?t=209
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't imagine using it more than rarely to cut that long panel,
>>>>> but that is a nifty innovation, to have the cut wood slide through
>>>>> the neck of the tool. Besides relatively poor performance, I
>>>>> suppose its main limitation is thickness of material.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully it would at least be better than a scroll saw for making
>>>>> straight cuts. I wonder why they don't make deep/wide scroll saw
>>>>> blades to help make straight cuts possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will look around, but if anybody knows... Does it use a brushed
>>>>> universal motor so that a speed controller can be attached? It uses
>>>>> a hefty 5.5 amp motor.
>
>>>> Never saw one, but I had a need for one at one time. I mounted my
>>>> jig saw under my workbench (1/2 inch plywood) with the blade
>>>> sticking up through a hole. It worked well for what I needed.
>>> When I was a kid, I had a jig saw that mounted in a table. It worked
>>> great as a poor-man's scroll saw but the blade did wander some. I
>>> don't think I'd have a use for it now. The table on this seemed a
>>> bit small.
>> And it takes 300-400% longer to make most of the cuts shown than does
>> a table saw
>
> Of course, it's a jigsaw. Among the other obvious things... It's very
> light, small, and cheap. It wont take off your fingers. It wont shoot a
> board into your chest. Blade changes take about four seconds. Blades are
> dirt cheap. Blades cut much thinner. You can cut curves. Dust collection
> is easier.

40 dollar jig saw can do the same thing, is much more portable and
easier to use. AND yes it can take off your fingers, just not as fast as
some other saws.

--
Steve W.