JEWS AND PHOTOGRAPHY

Jon Wordsworth wrote:

> It is too bad that someone like Jesus who had God as his father had
> to live in cave man times without any computers, cameras, or the
> great things we have now. Surely if God can create the Universe,
> he could have created things like this for his son rather than throw
> him in the middle of an ancient desert?

Guess what? The Devil, who had gotten permission from God to tempt Jesus
while he was fasting 40 days/ 40 nights in the desert pretty much asked Him
the same sort of questions (nothing about cameras and PCs though) :). For
the exciting blow-by-blow account of that conversation between Jesus and the
Devil, see Matt 4:1-11.

The issue, Jon, is: Jesus did not walk the earth to take great photographs
or to play Doom. He came to redeem the lost, and that's hard work. His
mission was to die on a crude cross so that humanity could be saved.
Remember that the "wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23), and Jesus was the
"sacrificial lamb" who took all these wages from every person from the past,
present and future, and died the death that we each deserve. Jesus had a
very large following before the events of the Crucifixion unfolded. Many
people flocked to him because they saw in Him a great religious teacher and
leader (who could possibly lead the Jewish nation out of the yoke of Roman
oppression) and a compassionate worker of miracles. If that was all He had
done in life he would still have been considered A Great Guy for all of
posterity, but He was intended for greater things, for the salvation of
humanity. And for that reason he *chose* to die a lonely death on the cross,
spurned and ridiculed by the same people who had once hung on to His every
word. If you and I had attended Jesus' crucifixion, we would probably have
been no better at understanding why a miracle worker of His stature, who
once resurrected a man (Lazurus), couldn't even "save Himself". A
contradiction no doubt ... until you realize that there was a higher purpose
to be served.

- Weng Leong

The Photographer wrote:
> On 4 Aug 2003 12:42:27 -0700, [email protected] (La Kosher
> Nostra The LoxFather) wrote:
>
>> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
>> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying
>> and murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not
>> only speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great
>> business and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro
>> Foods Inc. do the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
>
> I don't have any idea whether B&H finances Jewish terrorism--the
> United States government does a fine job with that with mine and your
> tax dollars-- but I'm sure B&H supports the terrorist Ariel Sharon,
> and that's enough for me not to do any business with them.

"Oh, Norman - listen! The loons are calling!"
- Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"

My mouth is watering right now!


On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 19:54:32 GMT, "Mike" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>LOL......gotta love the from line.....its been a long time since I've had
>any Nova lox.
>
>"La Kosher Nostra The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
>> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying and
>> murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not only
>> speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great business
>> and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro Foods Inc. do
>> the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
>>
>> B&H:
>>
>> http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/ManhattanStores/0002.jpg
>>
>

--
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Philadelphia PA

www.phillyducks.com
We’re Just A Duck Call Away!


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In article <[email protected]>, Susan Cohen <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Gotta stop reading those neo-nazi produced pamphlets.

It's amazing what people will believe, isn't it?

But regardless of evidence, most Jew haters will simply continue to
believe their sad, sick falsehoods, do no actual research into the
history of the region, and keep mouthing their hate-filled propaganda.

Sigh...

--
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who
have not got it." -- G.B. Shaw

Jon Wordsworth <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > First you need not share the Jewish religious beliefs to be Jewish.
>
> Are not you confusing being Jewish with being Israeli?
>
> > One can be Jewish and a Christian in much the same way as one may be
> > American Indian and a Christian.
>
> Again, I think you are confusing Race with Religion.
>
> > While I am a Christian, I also claim much of the Jewish faith s
well.
>
> You have to. Christians worship a Jew.
>
> > It is part of the Christain faith. A very large part of our Bible came
> > directly from the Jewish faith. We have very strong roots there.
>
> That's right, they really are the same, just as Lutherans, Catholics, etc
are
> all really part of the same mythology.
> Funny how they all end up fighting with each other when they are really
all
> worshiping the same thing.
>
> (no matter how you look at it or take that to mean)
>
>

Yes.....The most heated religious argument I ever was a witness to, was when
two protestants (a Luthern and a Baptist) were fighting over weather total
immersion was necessary for a proper baptism......

No he is talking about racist bigoted bollocks spreading lies and
hatred, you Aussie git.





"Pete D" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
:
:
: So he can have freedom of speech as long as he agrees with you. Onya!!
:
:

I would not say this is to be disregarded,
ancent peoples practiced embewing
stones, touch stones with their attention.

Calling upon the "spirit" alone can give you that
buzz, it happened to me just now writing this out to you.
In Aikido which I have practiced, one learns to focus Chi
which is a manifestation of the power.

I believe many things can be done with it, if one has the
clearity and the resolution of the purpose intended.


In article <[email protected]>,
Paul Heslop <[email protected]> wrote:

> As a youngster I really did believe in ghosts. As a young man I believed
> they could be some residual energy, like a recording. Nowadays I am a
> skeptic. I do, however love to enter very old buildings and places and
> get that buzz that come from standing in a room which was inhabited
> hundreds or thousands of years ago. Castles especially seem to have this
> effect on me. It's probably just an unconscious reaction, rather than
> proof of something being there, but even touching the stones of the
> walls can give me the same buzz.

--
"ANFAWFOS"
Check out my website @
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~gblank

Still reaching, I see.

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > You're reaching, and looking pretty stupid doing it. So Canada is a bit
> > represive, what's new about that?

woodster writes:

> Well.... you need a new history book. Jews took it from the British
> who took it from the Ottomans who took it from the Mamluks who took it
> from the Crusaders (not the jazz band) who took it from the Arabs who
> took it from the Byzantines who took it from the Romans who took it
> from Greeks who took it from the Persians who took it from the
> Babylonians who took it from the Assyrians who took it from the
> Egyptians who took it from the Jews.

Amazing when you consider what a dump that whole area is. It's not like
they were fighting over Switzerland or something.

--
Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

The Photographer wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:07:15 -0700, "Bob Harrington"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >The Photographer wrote:
> >> On 4 Aug 2003 12:42:27 -0700, [email protected] (La Kosher
> >> Nostra The LoxFather) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> >>> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying
> >>> and murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not
> >>> only speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great
> >>> business and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro
> >>> Foods Inc. do the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
> >>
> >> I don't have any idea whether B&H finances Jewish terrorism--the
> >> United States government does a fine job with that with mine and your
> >> tax dollars-- but I'm sure B&H supports the terrorist Ariel Sharon,
> >> and that's enough for me not to do any business with them.
> >
> >"Oh, Norman - listen! The loons are calling!"
> > - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"
>
> Yeah, I know, if you don't support the Jews and Jewish terrorism, then
> you're a goon.
>
> Thing is, the United States has a problem, a Jewish problem. We are
> not the natural enemies of the Muslims--but we have taken on the
> Muslims because of Jewish manipulation and Jewish influence over
> Congress and the president.
>
> Jews have terrorized and taken land that doesn't belong to them for
> the past 50 years. Regarding the so called "occupied territories" in
> Israel--practically all of Israel is "occupied territories". Jews had
> bought 7% of Israel by 1948: The rest was taken.
>
> The Jewish problem is costing the United States, and it is going to
> continue to cost the United States. In fact, it's going to bring the
> United States to its knees.

Loons, not goons. That's goofballs, goofball.

Part of the reason I served in the U.S.M.C. was to help protect freedom
of speech. On occasion, assholes like you make me regret doing so.

Pete D wrote:
> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > The Photographer wrote:
> >> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:07:15 -0700, "Bob Harrington"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >The Photographer wrote:
> >> >> On 4 Aug 2003 12:42:27 -0700, [email protected] (La Kosher
> >> >> Nostra The LoxFather) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> >> >>> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying
> >> >>> and murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not
> >> >>> only speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great
> >> >>> business and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro
> >> >>> Foods Inc. do the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't have any idea whether B&H finances Jewish terrorism--the
> >> >> United States government does a fine job with that with mine and your
> >> >> tax dollars-- but I'm sure B&H supports the terrorist Ariel Sharon,
> >> >> and that's enough for me not to do any business with them.
> >> >
> >> >"Oh, Norman - listen! The loons are calling!"
> >> > - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"
> >>
> >> Yeah, I know, if you don't support the Jews and Jewish terrorism, then
> >> you're a goon.
> >>
> >> Thing is, the United States has a problem, a Jewish problem. We are
> >> not the natural enemies of the Muslims--but we have taken on the
> >> Muslims because of Jewish manipulation and Jewish influence over
> >> Congress and the president.
> >>
> >> Jews have terrorized and taken land that doesn't belong to them for
> >> the past 50 years. Regarding the so called "occupied territories" in
> >> Israel--practically all of Israel is "occupied territories". Jews had
> >> bought 7% of Israel by 1948: The rest was taken.

As an incidental point, that "taken" territory changed hands when
several Arab nations attacked a fledgling, and presumably weak, Jewish
nation.

> >>
> >> The Jewish problem is costing the United States, and it is going to
> >> continue to cost the United States. In fact, it's going to bring the
> >> United States to its knees.
> >
> > Loons, not goons. That's goofballs, goofball.
> >
> > Part of the reason I served in the U.S.M.C. was to help protect freedom
> > of speech. On occasion, assholes like you make me regret doing so.
>
> So he can have freedom of speech as long as he agrees with you. Onya!!

Up yours. If you don't know what that means, ask your head. It's lying
next to you. He doesn't need to agree with me, but that doesn't make
his expressing fairly stupid lies something I have to sit back and
enjoy either. Thus, my remarks. I said nothing whatsoever about his not
being able to use free speech--he obviously does. You obviously take
great joy in reading into words meanings that are not there.

The Photographer wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2005 06:54:45 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Pete D wrote:
> >> "Charlie Self" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email protected]...
> >> >
> >> > The Photographer wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:07:15 -0700, "Bob Harrington"
> >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >The Photographer wrote:
> >> >> >> On 4 Aug 2003 12:42:27 -0700, [email protected] (La Kosher
> >> >> >> Nostra The LoxFather) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> >> >> >>> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying
> >> >> >>> and murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not
> >> >> >>> only speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great
> >> >> >>> business and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro
> >> >> >>> Foods Inc. do the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I don't have any idea whether B&H finances Jewish terrorism--the
> >> >> >> United States government does a fine job with that with mine and your
> >> >> >> tax dollars-- but I'm sure B&H supports the terrorist Ariel Sharon,
> >> >> >> and that's enough for me not to do any business with them.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Oh, Norman - listen! The loons are calling!"
> >> >> > - Katherine Hepburn, "On Golden Pond"
> >> >>
> >> >> Yeah, I know, if you don't support the Jews and Jewish terrorism, then
> >> >> you're a goon.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thing is, the United States has a problem, a Jewish problem. We are
> >> >> not the natural enemies of the Muslims--but we have taken on the
> >> >> Muslims because of Jewish manipulation and Jewish influence over
> >> >> Congress and the president.
> >> >>
> >> >> Jews have terrorized and taken land that doesn't belong to them for
> >> >> the past 50 years. Regarding the so called "occupied territories" in
> >> >> Israel--practically all of Israel is "occupied territories". Jews had
> >> >> bought 7% of Israel by 1948: The rest was taken.
> >
> >As an incidental point, that "taken" territory changed hands when
> >several Arab nations attacked a fledgling, and presumably weak, Jewish
> >nation.
>
> And Israel took more land when it attacked in 1967 and took more land.
>
> >> >>
> >> >> The Jewish problem is costing the United States, and it is going to
> >> >> continue to cost the United States. In fact, it's going to bring the
> >> >> United States to its knees.
> >> >
> >> > Loons, not goons. That's goofballs, goofball.
> >> >
> >> > Part of the reason I served in the U.S.M.C. was to help protect freedom
> >> > of speech. On occasion, assholes like you make me regret doing so.
> >>
> >> So he can have freedom of speech as long as he agrees with you. Onya!!
> >
> >Up yours. If you don't know what that means, ask your head. It's lying
> >next to you. He doesn't need to agree with me, but that doesn't make
> >his expressing fairly stupid lies something I have to sit back and
> >enjoy either. Thus, my remarks. I said nothing whatsoever about his not
> >being able to use free speech--he obviously does. You obviously take
> >great joy in reading into words meanings that are not there.

Sure. When IT attacked. After how many Arab states attacked it?

The Photographer wrote:
> On 7 Aug 2005 08:38:41 -0700, "Charlie Self" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Sure. When IT attacked. After how many Arab states attacked it?
>
> Get real. It's past time to stop the lying and to face the truth.
>
> In 1967, no Arab states had attacked.
>
> Israel attacked.

Oh, right. The news reports of the time and later TV images were ALL
wrong.

Your world view must be brown.

lgb wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> > There's a hell of a difference between offensive free speech and promoting
> > hate. What about pornography. Would you let hard core pornography images
> > appear in a everyday books magazines and newspapers read by young children?
> >
> You are assuming that these children have no parents?
>
> And may I point out that many cases have upheld the rights of American
> Nazis to parade and spew out their filth.
>
> --
> BNSF = Build Now, Seep Forever

We can't deny them the right, but we don't have to stand idly by while
they spew their venom. Unfortunately, rebuttable of a troll is usually
a waste of time; filtering works better, but at the moment, I'm without
filters (using Google to reference NGs). Some things are so vile, both
historically and currently, that I can't always resist, even though it
is like poking a fresh-killed skunk.

Doubt anyone will listen. It seems most people have their minds made up and
don't want facts to confuse them. That being said. Please take a looke at
the original UN resolution creating Israel and you will note that the land
they (Israel) "invaded" and took by force was to be set aside for them. The
Brits in their administering of the plan carved out sections for the
Palstinians and other Arabs. Why the Brits. Remember your history that
area was at the time part of the British empire. Just an note or two on the
historical facts.

David Moses

< I'm sure B&H supports the terrorist Ariel Sharon>

Ooohhhhh. So certain and so very wrong.

Henry Posner
B&H Photo-Video, Inc.

The lowest point in the moral gutter is standing by and doing nothing,
all the while justifying your inaction with self-righteous haughtiness.
If you don't stop someone doing what is obviously evil, you are
probably more evil yourself. You don't practice your evil ways on
others except for in you selfish inaction.

I'm sorry, how many Jews did they kill again? How many people were
tortured and killed and imprisoned by the japanese also?

Would you stand by while you knew someone was being raped, a child
being molested? Why should we as a country to the same on an
international scale?

Shoud we do the same in situations like Darfur? Bosnia? Should we have
taken this non-interference pattern into dealings with the USSR? Should
we have let the world be ruled by communists because we didn't want to
fight them.

How about smaler scale. Child abuse. Drug addicts. Death cults. Should
we not interfere there also. Should we let them go and live their lives
as they please? It must make them happy living in that manner surely?
Who are we to say that they are wrong and should be imprisoned or
otherwise face hardship because of their actions?

You obviously do not apply this standard in your dealings with others
here on differeces opinion. You have gone straight to attack mode from
what I can see. Shouldn't you be more peaceful and accepting of others
opinions? Why are you causing so much strife? You really should work
more on applying progressive wishy-washy principles to your debate
tactics. Remember, the only way to win is to not force your opinion on
others. You must accomodate and even further advance our views over
your own in the name of almighty peace.

Wake up.

Wes J <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The man who says Bush has killed more than Hitler is obviously whacko, but
> that doesn't in any way mean Americans whole-heartedly support Bush. His
> lies are becoming more evident every day. Still you have the right to
> blindly follow him and his Hollywood style spin. His weapons of mass
> deception continue to work their magic to keep our minds off the
recession.
>
> "William Graham" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > You'd better hope that about 60% of the American public......I wonder
> where
> > you live that you are surrounded by nothing but Bush bashers? Surely not
> in
> > any town here in the US.........
>
Bush is to me, like all politicians that I have voted for in the last 40
years, just the lessor of several evils. - I don't like politicians in
general, because in order to get into office, they have to lie to the
people, and be hypocrites....That's why I would prefer a government where
our leaders are chosen by lottery, rather than by vote.

True, Judaism is about practice
while Christianity is primarily about belief.



On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:08:22 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Well I can agree about the camera however religious beliefs definitely
>> are mutually exclusive.
>
> First you need not share the Jewish religious beliefs to be Jewish.
>Christian on the other hand is a little different. However even there, in
>the right context you might speak of someone as a Christian due to their
>sharing in the Jewish-Christain social norms of Europe and the US even if
>they do not share the faith.
>
> One can be Jewish and a Christian in much the same way as one may be
>American Indian and a Christian.
>
> While I am a Christian, I also claim much of the Jewish faith s well.
>It is part of the Christain faith. A very large part of our Bible came
>directly from the Jewish faith. We have very strong roots there.

--
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Philadelphia PA

www.phillyducks.com
We’re Just A Duck Call Away!


STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
meaning no one IN PENNSYLVANIA
has seen the tooth or teeth in
question so take this advice in
proper context ~ its the internet!

We is guessin'!

No way. God is a male! Women are imperfect!


"William Graham" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<cBA0b.154728$Oz4.43191@rwcrnsc54>...
> Johan Lexington <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Have you seen gods cock in the record books?
>
> No.....But then, "he" could be a "she"..........

Maybe she likes that cir-CUM-cized cock.


Abrasha <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Johan Lexington wrote:
> >
> > Susan, just curious....are you a Jewish photographer?
> >
>
> With the last name of Cohen, that's a safe bet, unless it is her married name.
>
> Abrasha
> http://www.abrasha.com

They still need to be saved.


[email protected] (Paul Tauger) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Polytone" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > WRONG! Go to beliefnet.com and look up Messianic Judaism.
> >
> > > It's an organization run by the Southern Baptists as a conversion tool and
> > > has nothing to do with Jews.
>
> No, not wrong.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.wjc.org.il/publications/policy_dispatches/pub_dis15.html
>
> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/jews_5-14.html
>
> http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcon2.htm
>
> and this, from the ADL:
>
> http://www.adl.org/special_reports/jews4jesus/jews4jesus.asp
>
> Here's a quote:
>
> '"Jews for Jesus," whose actual name is Hineni Ministries, is a San
> Francisco, California-based activist Christian missionary movement
> aimed directly at people of the Jewish faith. It was founded in 1970
> in California by Baptist minister Martin Rosen, a convert to
> Christianity and a longtime staff member of the American Board of
> Missions to the Jews, a Christian proselytizing group now called
> Chosen People Ministries, Inc. "Jews for Jesus" seeks to convert Jews
> to the belief that Jesus is the Messiah; it misleadingly claims that
> accepting Jesus as the Messiah is compatible with Jewish theology.'
>
> Finally, we have the words of the founder, himself:
>
> http://www.jfjonline.org/pub/newsletters/2002may/musings_howgotname.htm
>
> '"Jews for Jesus" started out as an experiment in communications.
>
> I was a missionary with the American Board of Missions to the Jews in
> New York when a zealous new believer took out an ad in the Village
> Voice. The ad said, "We are a group of Jews for Jesus who meet at
> _____ and all are welcome."
>
> She thought I'd be very pleased but I wasn't?at first. Ministry has
> boundaries and the Village Voice was the voice of homosexuals,
> dissidents, free love advocates and hippies. It was not respectable.
>
> "Why didn't you take out an ad in the New York Times?" I asked her.
> "Because it was too expensive," she said. "Besides, we're supposed to
> go to sinners." To my knowledge, that was the first time the term
> "Jews for Jesus" had been used.'
>
> "Messianic Judaism" is not Judaism, and has nothing to do with
> Judaism. So-called "messianic jews" have removed themselves from the
> world body of Judaism, and are regarded as heretics and apostates, to
> the extent that they are even regarded as Jews at all.
>
> I hope that clears things up.
>
>
>
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

BWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAAAA!


"Susan Cohen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Film Shooter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > They still need to be saved.
>
> Look what's talking.
> Like a piece of filth like you could even mention "saved" in conjunxtion
> w/anyone but yourself.
>
> Susan
> >
> >
> > [email protected] (Paul Tauger) wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > "Polytone" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > > > WRONG! Go to beliefnet.com and look up Messianic Judaism.
> > > >
> > > > > It's an organization run by the Southern Baptists as a conversion
> tool and
> > > > > has nothing to do with Jews.
> > >
> > > No, not wrong.
> > >
> > > See:
> > >
> > > http://www.wjc.org.il/publications/policy_dispatches/pub_dis15.html
> > >
> > > http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/religion/jews_5-14.html
> > >
> > > http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcon2.htm
> > >
> > > and this, from the ADL:
> > >
> > > http://www.adl.org/special_reports/jews4jesus/jews4jesus.asp
> > >
> > > Here's a quote:
> > >
> > > '"Jews for Jesus," whose actual name is Hineni Ministries, is a San
> > > Francisco, California-based activist Christian missionary movement
> > > aimed directly at people of the Jewish faith. It was founded in 1970
> > > in California by Baptist minister Martin Rosen, a convert to
> > > Christianity and a longtime staff member of the American Board of
> > > Missions to the Jews, a Christian proselytizing group now called
> > > Chosen People Ministries, Inc. "Jews for Jesus" seeks to convert Jews
> > > to the belief that Jesus is the Messiah; it misleadingly claims that
> > > accepting Jesus as the Messiah is compatible with Jewish theology.'
> > >
> > > Finally, we have the words of the founder, himself:
> > >
> > > http://www.jfjonline.org/pub/newsletters/2002may/musings_howgotname.htm
> > >
> > > '"Jews for Jesus" started out as an experiment in communications.
> > >
> > > I was a missionary with the American Board of Missions to the Jews in
> > > New York when a zealous new believer took out an ad in the Village
> > > Voice. The ad said, "We are a group of Jews for Jesus who meet at
> > > _____ and all are welcome."
> > >
> > > She thought I'd be very pleased but I wasn't?at first. Ministry has
> > > boundaries and the Village Voice was the voice of homosexuals,
> > > dissidents, free love advocates and hippies. It was not respectable.
> > >
> > > "Why didn't you take out an ad in the New York Times?" I asked her.
> > > "Because it was too expensive," she said. "Besides, we're supposed to
> > > go to sinners." To my knowledge, that was the first time the term
> > > "Jews for Jesus" had been used.'
> > >
> > > "Messianic Judaism" is not Judaism, and has nothing to do with
> > > Judaism. So-called "messianic jews" have removed themselves from the
> > > world body of Judaism, and are regarded as heretics and apostates, to
> > > the extent that they are even regarded as Jews at all.
> > >
> > > I hope that clears things up.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

that does not sound true.

[email protected] (La Kosher Nostra The LoxFather) wrote in message

> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying and
> murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not only
> speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great business
> and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro Foods Inc. do
> the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
>
> B&H:
>
> http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/ManhattanStores/0002.jpg

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> True, Judaism is about practice
> while Christianity is primarily about belief.

LOL! A rabbi told me that Judaism is not about God, it's about life, and how
it should be lived.
-- Ernie


> On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 22:08:22 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> Well I can agree about the camera however religious beliefs definitely
> >> are mutually exclusive.
> >
> > First you need not share the Jewish religious beliefs to be Jewish.
> >Christian on the other hand is a little different. However even there,
in
> >the right context you might speak of someone as a Christian due to their
> >sharing in the Jewish-Christain social norms of Europe and the US even if
> >they do not share the faith.
> >
> > One can be Jewish and a Christian in much the same way as one may be
> >American Indian and a Christian.
> >
> > While I am a Christian, I also claim much of the Jewish faith s well.
> >It is part of the Christain faith. A very large part of our Bible came
> >directly from the Jewish faith. We have very strong roots there.
>
> --
> Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
> Philadelphia PA
>
> www.phillyducks.com
> We're Just A Duck Call Away!
>
>
> STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
> meaning no one IN PENNSYLVANIA
> has seen the tooth or teeth in
> question so take this advice in
> proper context ~ its the internet!
>
> We is guessin'!

"Jon Wordsworth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > > > It's funny how many Christians don't understand that Christ was
a
> > Jew.
> > >
> > > > Chris·tian (kr¹s"ch.n) adj. 1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ
or
> > > > following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
> > >
> > > Wouldn't Jesus believe in himself and what he teaches? Wouldn't
then, by
> > this
> > > definition, Jesus be a Christian?
> >
> > Sure, but He is also a Jew. Just like a camera I own is a camera
and a
> > Canon. The two are not mutually exclusive.
>
> No, I think the analogy would more be like a camera being a Canon and a
> Nikon. You don't find people who are both Christian and Jew, except for
> fictional characters of mythology in which many contradictions with
reality can
> be found.
>
>
There is actually on organization called Jews for Jesus.

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 18:38:55 -0400, "Charles Schuler"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> I don't have any idea whether B&H finances Jewish terrorism--the
>> United States government does a fine job with that with mine and your
>> tax dollars-- but I'm sure B&H supports the terrorist Ariel Sharon,
>> and that's enough for me not to do any business with them.
>
>You are the worst kind of disgusting troll out there.

Jews already make a big claim on my tax dollars. The United States
sends billions on top of billions a year to the parasitic state of
Israel.

If I choose not to do business with Jewish camera stores--even the
only one I know of that has a decent reputation--that's my business.

"La Kosher Nostra The LoxFather" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying and
> murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not only
> speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great business
> and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro Foods Inc. do
> the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
>

I don't know how it is where you live, but it's been really humid on the US
east coast. Lots of rain too. Come to think of it, it's been almost
tropical.. I'm hoping for a nice fall. The moisture may bring out the fall
colors.

Have a great day!

You're reaching, and looking pretty stupid doing it. So Canada is a bit
represive, what's new about that?

"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:c1qJe.2601
> > >
> > > Yeah it does, but in Canada at least, it doesn't mean the right to
> promote
> > > hate. I'll assume there's similar laws against it in the USA.
>
> Sure there is. The USA has pornography laws doesn't it? That's a form of
> censorship and rightly so. Otherwise, some freak who believes in child
rape
> would be putting out books for children filled with all sorts of sexual
> deviance. There's many examples where there's a form of censorship in your
> country. You're just too short-sighted to see it.
>
>

"Susan Cohen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:vtUJe.3180$0d.150@trnddc02...
>
> "Mickey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > "The Photographer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> >> Israel has killed almost as many innocent Palestinian children as
> >> >> total Israelis have died.
> >> >
> >> >A complete, total lie.
> >>
> >> It's not a lie at all.
> >
> > A complete lie, not just your average lie.
>
> And one he doesn't even dare try to back upwith any actual numbers,
because
> he knows we have the correct ones.
> >
> >>
> >> >> That makes them TERRORISTS.
> >> >
> >> >No, it makes you a filthy liar.
> >>
> >> You can't change the truth.
> >
> > And you can't identify it.
> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Do you get it now?
> >> >
> >> >Yes, you're another lying anti-Semite. I got that before.
> >>
> >> No, you still don't get it.
> >
> > Sure I do, I know one when I see one. Welcome to their club. You may
feel
> > free to keep deluding yourself into thinking you're not, but you are.
> >
> >>
> >> The lie that is going to do the Jews in is the lie they believe
> >> themselves.
> >
> > Nothing is going to "do the Jews in", as much as you'd LOVE that.
>
> And another Freudian slip falls out of his closet.

Proving that anti-Semites aren't just wrong, they are stupid also. They can
never make 3 consecutive posts on a topic without revealing themselves.

Mickey

On Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:21:03 GMT, Jon Wordsworth
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> Well I can agree about the camera however religious beliefs definitely
>> are mutually exclusive.
>>
>> The defining question is whether or not one believes that Jesus Christ
>> is the Saviour or simply one more wise man.
>
>Then there is the third belief that he is only a fictional character of mythology, like
>many of the greek gods.
>

...and folks from the Old Testament!



--
Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
Philadelphia PA

www.phillyducks.com
We’re Just A Duck Call Away!


STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
meaning no one IN PENNSYLVANIA
has seen the tooth or teeth in
question so take this advice in
proper context ~ its the internet!

We is guessin'!

Time to place an extra large order with B&H


"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Did you know that everyone in New York City is Jewish? The whites, the
> blacks, the Spanish, the Latinos ........ EVERYONE!!!!!
>
> Its a cultural 'thang!
>
>
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 21:40:36 GMT, Ben Siders <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >> You mean Jesus is not a Christian? Funny how all the wrong people
are
> >> worshiping him.
> >
> >Why, do Christians not realize that Jesus was Jewish?
> >
> >>
> >>> I don't care. If Palestinian children weren't being handed machine
> >>>guns and sent into Tel Aviv
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent into? That was their land, wasn't it?
> >
> >It was at one point. Doesn't change the point of my statement.
> >
> >According to my history book,
> >> the Jews took the land from the Palestinians and Israel only became a
state,
> >> the way we know it today, in 1948.
> >>
> >> But I could be wrong, that is just what I read.
> >
> >You aren't factually incorrect, although you seem to be arguing with me
> >about a point I wasn't making. So you're confused, at least.
>
> --
> Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
> Philadelphia PA
>
> www.phillyducks.com
> We're Just A Duck Call Away!
>
>
> STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
> meaning no one IN PENNSYLVANIA
> has seen the tooth or teeth in
> question so take this advice in
> proper context ~ its the internet!
>
> We is guessin'!
>

"AAvK" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:3AtJe.77153$ro.30551@fed1read02...
>
> > Yeah, I know, if you don't support the Jews and Jewish terrorism, then
> > you're a goon.
> >
> > Thing is, the United States has a problem, a Jewish problem. We are
> > not the natural enemies of the Muslims--but we have taken on the
> > Muslims because of Jewish manipulation and Jewish influence over
> > Congress and the president.
> >
> > Jews have terrorized and taken land that doesn't belong to them for
> > the past 50 years. Regarding the so called "occupied territories" in
> > Israel--practically all of Israel is "occupied territories". Jews had
> > bought 7% of Israel by 1948: The rest was taken.
> >
> > The Jewish problem is costing the United States, and it is going to
> > continue to cost the United States. In fact, it's going to bring the
> > United States to its knees.
>
>
> Listen, I am a German American (Bavarian descended) and I do not hate the
Jews.
> I believe they are God's chosen people from whom salvation comes (John
4:22).
>
> Frankly, I would like to hear from you true evidence that jews are
manipulating
> the US Gov't that is OTHER than paranoid speculation from your peers, come
> up with true proof that does indeed prove it. Because you simply saying it
is pure
> TRIPE until you do. And until you do, take your TRIPE somewhere else.

Don't hold your breath waiting, as claims and accusations are ALL they have.

Mickey

> Yeah, I know, if you don't support the Jews and Jewish terrorism, then
> you're a goon.
>
> Thing is, the United States has a problem, a Jewish problem. We are
> not the natural enemies of the Muslims--but we have taken on the
> Muslims because of Jewish manipulation and Jewish influence over
> Congress and the president.
>
> Jews have terrorized and taken land that doesn't belong to them for
> the past 50 years. Regarding the so called "occupied territories" in
> Israel--practically all of Israel is "occupied territories". Jews had
> bought 7% of Israel by 1948: The rest was taken.
>
> The Jewish problem is costing the United States, and it is going to
> continue to cost the United States. In fact, it's going to bring the
> United States to its knees.


Listen, I am a German American (Bavarian descended) and I do not hate the Jews.
I believe they are God's chosen people from whom salvation comes (John 4:22).

Frankly, I would like to hear from you true evidence that jews are manipulating
the US Gov't that is OTHER than paranoid speculation from your peers, come
up with true proof that does indeed prove it. Because you simply saying it is pure
TRIPE until you do. And until you do, take your TRIPE somewhere else.

--
Alex - newbie_neander in woodworking
cravdraa_at-yahoo_dot-com
not my site: http://www.e-sword.net/

La Kosher Nostra The LoxFather wrote:
> Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying and
> murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not only
> speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great business
> and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro Foods Inc. do
> the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
>
> B&H:
>
> http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/ManhattanStores/0002.jpg


The founders of usenet were really thinking of a 'place' where ideas
could be traded and discussed for the betterment of all. It is too bad
that imbecilic cretinous trolls like "uncle tom" and co. have taken
advantage of it for all the wrong reasons. Unfortunately, NG's give
them a much bigger voice than the tiny ideas they represent.

B&H: keep up the great work!!

Doug Kanter wrote:
>
> Which retailer is the front for militant Palestinian organizations?
>

Cambridge? :)

Lisa

> Now I have to add "JEWS" to my filters. How many f-ing filters do I
> have to set up to keep this biggoted bullshit out of my friggin mailbox?

Did you include some of the words contained in this sentence of yours? :)

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:

> So what is with La Kosher Nostra?????

I thought everyone knew "La Kosher Nostra" was Izchak Perlman, Pinchas
Zuckerman, Daniel Barenboim, and honorary member Zubin Mehta.

Steve

>
>
> On 4 Aug 2003 12:42:27 -0700, [email protected] (La Kosher
> Nostra The LoxFather) wrote:
>
> >Let's just say that B&H is really a front for an evil, organized
> >movement. Spending your money there is contributing to the slaying and
> >murder of innocent Palestinian women and children. This is not only
> >speculation, I have an inside source. Yes, they run a great business
> >and offer quality service and prices. But didn't Ferro Foods Inc. do
> >the same as a front for Gotti and the Gambino family?
> >
> >B&H:
> >
> >http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/pictures/ManhattanStores/0002.jpg
>
> --
> Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.
> Philadelphia PA
>
> www.phillyducks.com
> We’re Just A Duck Call Away!
>
> STANDARD DISCLAIMER applies ~
> meaning no one IN PENNSYLVANIA
> has seen the tooth or teeth in
> question so take this advice in
> proper context ~ its the internet!
>
> We is guessin'!

--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com

ajacobs2 wrote:

>
>>Agree. Al Jacobs came up with the "Kosher Nostra"
>>Cheers,
>>Alan
>
>
>
> Hey it's true I grew up in an Italian Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn.
> That's where the phrase "Kosher Nostra" came from.
> My father had a clothing store and made sure the "Goodfellas" were dressed
> well.
> WE had lots of TV's, Radios, and Hubcaps as a kid...no car, just hubcaps..
> One of my best pals was Larry Maggio, nice Italian Kid.
> Probably the only kid who ate Matzo balls with Spaghetti Sauce.
> Great with Challah Bread topped with Garlic, Herbs and Cheese...
> Pizza with pickeled herring, no anchovies.
> We used to mix lunches at school, when we weren't playing hooky
> Life was great, friends for life, I just spoke with my friend Marty I met
> when I was seven.
> He lives on the other coast of Florida, Im in Tampa...
> Thats 56 years ago. Like we were there just yesterday....
> Too bad theres so much hatred in this world.....
> You would think people would have learned it doesn't work by now.....


Whaddya want Al ... when something is so good like usenet, there are
always some assholes trying to ruin it.

Shalom,
Alan

Mxsmanic wrote:
> Alan Browne writes:
>
>
>>Unfortunately, NG's give them a much bigger voice
>>than the tiny ideas they represent.
>
>
> Fortunately, USENET gives everyone an equal voice.
>

Does it? I understand what you're trying to say, on the other hand this
NG has been disrupted over the past few days by a few (one?) assholes.

As for "everyone an equal voice" I'm not convinced. Anyone with a
moderate income can afford a PC and an internet hookup, but there remain
many can't get on at all.

This thread is meant to inflame. Period. Not what the "framers" of the
usenet had in mind, I'm sure.

Cheers,
Alan.

Kreplach! Can't we just talk about Kreplach?

O

Andrew wrote:
> In rec.photo.digital Doug Kanter <[email protected]>wrote and for some
> dumbass reason also cross posted it to sci.med.dentistry and rec.woodworking:
>
>
>>Which retailer is the front for militant Palestinian organizations?
>
>
> Abe's of Maine.
>
> Andrew

Mxsmanic wrote:

>
> No, it hasn't. Nothing obligates anyone to read posts or threads that
> do not interest them, so there is no disruption.
>

I hope you don't personally suffer what I have been subjected to over
the past few days.

Hugh Bothwell wrote:

> "Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > If you say so ........
> >
> > On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 22:48:15 GMT, "Mike Hide" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >actually everyone in New York is not Jewish, howwever there are more Jews
> in
> > >New York than there are in Israel. Can you tell me otherwise ?. and they
> > >basically control the wealth is the US. dont they ....mjh
>
> Ishmael and Yitzak were farmers in a poor Jewish
> village in Stalinist Russia. One day Ishmael comes
> walking along and sees Yitzak sitting and reading a
> copy of Pravda.
>
> Ishmael: What are you reading that for? It's nothing
> but lies and propaganda.
>
> Yitzak: I know, but I like to hear how rich and
> powerful I am!

This Joke from ABC News website:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/Primetime/iraq_israel030315_bn.html

Saddam Hussein phoned President Bush. "I had a dream about the United
States," he said. "I could see the whole country, and over every
building and home was a banner." "What was on the banner?" asked Bush.

"LONG LIVE SADDAM!" answered the dictator.

"I'm so glad that you called," said President Bush, "because I too had a
dream. In my dream, I saw Iraq and it was more beautiful than ever;
totally rebuilt with many tall, gleaming office buildings, large
residential subdivisions with swimming pools in every yard; and over
every building and home was a big, beautiful banner."

"What did the banner say?" asked Saddam.

I don't know," answered President Bush, "I can't read Hebrew."

> Well I can agree about the camera however religious beliefs definitely
> are mutually exclusive.
>
> The defining question is whether or not one believes that Jesus Christ
> is the Saviour or simply one more wise man.

Then there is the third belief that he is only a fictional character of mythology, like
many of the greek gods.

> If J. C. was a Christian, then he would have to have worshiped himself?
> Does this sound kinda screwy to anyone else?

It sounds weird that ANYONE would worship him, but that is what many people
do, even when their own religion tells them they are not supposed to worship
anyone other than their God. That means no worshiping or bowing down to the
Pope either. But then they tell you that Jesus and their God are the same
person, and then you can debate no further with them because if one person can
just use mythology and make up claims that go against everything else we see
in nature without proof and the rest of us have to debate using facts and
things we can prove and try to explain, well then that is a debate that can
not be taken seriously, or that can go anywhere.

> The man was a Jew.

And what was Santa Clause?

> First you need not share the Jewish religious beliefs to be Jewish.

Are not you confusing being Jewish with being Israeli?

> One can be Jewish and a Christian in much the same way as one may be
> American Indian and a Christian.

Again, I think you are confusing Race with Religion.

> While I am a Christian, I also claim much of the Jewish faith s well.

You have to. Christians worship a Jew.

> It is part of the Christain faith. A very large part of our Bible came
> directly from the Jewish faith. We have very strong roots there.

That's right, they really are the same, just as Lutherans, Catholics, etc are
all really part of the same mythology.
Funny how they all end up fighting with each other when they are really all
worshiping the same thing.

(no matter how you look at it or take that to mean)

> Actually, it has everything to do with Jews. Isn't that who is being
> converted? Even if they convert to Christianity, aren't they still Jews?

Are you thinking that Jews are a race instead of a religion? If a child of
Jewish parents is adopted by Buddhists, then that child is not a Jew, but most
likely a Buddhist. (unless he is one of the few intelligent humans that realizes
he doesn't HAVE to belong to the same religion or political party as his/her
parents do)

But if a black child is adopted by white Jewish parents, the child remains
black.

Race and Religion are two different things.

> > It is too bad that someone like Jesus who had God as his father had to
> live in
> > cave man times without any computers, cameras, or the great things we have
> > now. Surely if God can create the Universe, he could have created
> things
> > like this for his son rather than throw him in the middle of an ancient
> desert?
> >
> >
> At the time, the desert was pretty damn modern.

But you see the point? Unless you think God is impressed with humans computers
and cameras and has no idea how such things work and is so afraid that perhaps
that is why he is hiding and we never hear or see from him anymore?

Oh that's right... his image shows up on potato chips every so often. What a
crazy cult.

Ernie Jurick wrote:

> "Jon Wordsworth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > Changing Light Bulbs
> > > How many Christians does it take to change a light bulb?
> > > Charismatic: Only one. Hands already in the air.
> > > Pentecostal: Ten. One to change the bulb, and nine to pray against the
> > > spirit of darkness.
> > > Presbyterian: None. Lights will go on and off at predestined times.
> > > Catholic: None. Candles only.
> > > Baptist: At least 15. One to change the light bulb, and three committees
> to
> > > approve the change and decide who brings the potato salad.
> > > Episcopalian: Three. One to call the electrician, one to mix the drinks,
> and
> > > one to talk about how much better the old bulb was.
> > > Mormon: Five. One man to change the bulb and four wives to tell him how
> to
> > > do it.
> > > Methodist: Undetermined. Whether your light is bright, dull, or
> completely
> > > burned out, you are loved. You can be a light bulb, turnip bulb, or
> tulip
> > > bulb. Church-wide lighting service is planned for Sunday. Bring the
> bulb of
> > > your choice and a covered dish.
> > > Nazarene: Six. One woman to replace the bulb while five men review
> church
> > > lighting policy.
> > > Lutheran: None. Lutherans don't believe in change.
> > > Church of Christ: They do not use light bulbs because there is no
> evidence
> > > of their use in the New Testament.
> > > Unitarian: We choose not to make a statement either in favor of or
> against
> > > the need for a light bulb. However, if in your own journey you have
> found
> > > that light bulbs work for you, that is fine. You are invited to write a
> > > poem or compose a modern dance about your bulb for next Sunday's
> service,
> > > during which we will explore a number of light bulb traditions,
> including
> > > incandescent, fluorescent, three-way, long-life, and tinted, all of
> which
> > > are equally valid paths to luminescence.
> > > Amish: What's a light bulb?
> >
> > Atheist: "Oh for crying out loud, where is the friggin bulb, I'LL change
> it.
> > ...Morons!"
>
> Agnostic: "But how can we be sure the bulb is burned out? The sunlight is
> too bright to see it clearly."
> -- Ernie

Clinton and/or Bush: The light bulb blew out because of Saddam. He has
secret weapons that made it go out.

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
> Are you thinking that Jews are a race instead of a religion?

It seems to me that Jews, not a race nor a nationality, are
more than a religious group. Beyond the religion, there are
the foods, dances, customs, languages, etc. If a Jew
suddenly rejects the tenets of the Jewish religion, does he
really stop being a Jew?

--
M2

Joel M. Eichen D.D.S. wrote:
> True, Judaism is about practice
> while Christianity is primarily about belief.

As far as Christianity goes, it certainly depends on the sect.

--
M2

> > Are you thinking that Jews are a race instead of a religion?
>
> It seems to me that Jews, not a race nor a nationality, are
> more than a religious group. Beyond the religion, there are
> the foods, dances, customs, languages, etc.

Same when comparing Christians to Muslims. Different foods, dances,
customs, languages, etc.

> If a Jew
> suddenly rejects the tenets of the Jewish religion, does he
> really stop being a Jew?

Are we talking about a black Jew, a German Jew, or an Israeli Jew?
And is he just becoming an Atheist or is he joining up with another
religion?

> If a Jew suddenly rejects the tenets of the Jewish religion, does he
> really stop being a Jew?

What if Sammy Davis Jr decided not to be a Jew anymore? Would he still
remain a Jew?

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>>>Are you thinking that Jews are a race instead of a religion?
>>
>>It seems to me that Jews, not a race nor a nationality, are
>>more than a religious group. Beyond the religion, there are
>>the foods, dances, customs, languages, etc.
>
>
> Same when comparing Christians to Muslims. Different foods, dances,
> customs, languages, etc.
>
>
>>If a Jew
>>suddenly rejects the tenets of the Jewish religion, does he
>>really stop being a Jew?
>
>
> Are we talking about a black Jew, a German Jew, or an Israeli Jew?
> And is he just becoming an Atheist or is he joining up with another
> religion?

What's the difference? (And it's "atheist" with a small "a".)

--
M2

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>>It seems to me that Jews, not a race nor a nationality,
>>are more than a religious group. Beyond the religion,
>>there are the foods, dances, customs, languages, etc. If
>>a Jew suddenly rejects the tenets of the Jewish religion,
>>does he really stop being a Jew?
>
> What if Sammy Davis Jr decided not to be a Jew anymore? Would he still
> remain a Jew?

Didn't Sammy pass away?

If a Jew suddenly decided to reject some of the tenets of
his/her faith but still retained his/her affinity for the
Jewish foods, dances, customs, languages, etc. and continued
to identify himself/herself with the Jewish group, should we
not call him/her a Jew?

--
M2

Mxsmanic wrote:
>
> Jon Wordsworth writes:
>
> > So you have no problem at all that people can walk
> > on water or rise from the dead?
>
> I mentioned only existence, not walking on water or resurrection.
>
> > What is Jesus' last name?
>
> Ben Joseph, I think.
>
> > Where did Cain's wife come from?

Cain never took a wife, because he wasn't able. hardehar.
>
> I don't know. Match.com?
>
> --
> Transpose hotmail and mxsmanic in my e-mail address to reach me directly.

--
Founder and president of the Liberals United for Promotion of the
Homoskedastic Agenda.

Jon Wordsworth wrote:

>
> If everyone came from Adam and Eve, then Cain had sex with his sister, and we
> all are the results of inbreeding and incest.

like european royalty.

>
> Interesting though how the bible goes out of it's way to not only not explain
> where Cain's wife came from, but they don't even give her a name. They
> realize the everyone from Adam and Eve story requires massive incest, not
> something looked opon as "moral" or going along with "family values" so they
> try to ignore that part of the story in church or bible school.

--
Founder and president of the Liberals United for Promotion of the
Homoskedastic Agenda.

Weng Leong wrote:
>
> Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>
> > If everyone came from Adam and Eve, then Cain had sex with his
> > sister, and we all are the results of inbreeding and incest.
> >
> > Interesting though how the bible goes out of it's way to not only not
> > explain where Cain's wife came from, but they don't even give her a
> > name. They realize the everyone from Adam and Eve story requires
> > massive incest, not something looked opon as "moral" or going along
> > with "family values" so they try to ignore that part of the story in
> > church or bible school.
>
> Jon you're using present day standards to judge ancient practices. What you
> call inbreeding and incest wasn't yet forbidden by God in the time of Adam.
> The law forbidding marriage between close relatives was only instituted in
> the time of Moses (Lev 18:6 onwards).
>
> - Weng Leong

and later repealed in the South.

--
Founder and president of the Liberals United for Promotion of the
Homoskedastic Agenda.

> Here is a statement made on meet the press by senator Fullbright
>
> fulbright
>
> Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973
> on CBS' "Face the Nation".
>
> "I am aware how almost impossible it is in this country to carry out a
> foreign policy [in the Middle East] not approved by the Jews..... terrific
> control the Jews have over the news media and the barrage the Jews have
> built up on congressmen .... I am very much concerned over the fact that the
> Jewish influence here is completely dominating the scene and making it
> almost impossible to get congress to do anything they don't approve of. The
> Israeli embassy is practically dictating to the congress through influential
> Jewish people in the country"
>
> Perhaps he had the same hate list. Of course one cannot make such statements
> any more ,its not politically correct nowadays.

THAT is actually the scary part and the part people should be more offended
by. Not being able to state facts today about so many things, because it is
labeled racist.

What race of people take up the highest percentage of the prison population in
the US? In order to answer this question correctly, you will be called a
racist by many people. So you could lie and say the race that is fair game
for everyone to be against (there is only one) or just avoid answering the
question altogether and ignore a problem just because talking about it and
trying to fix the problem turns you into a "racist" and a person of "hate".

There is a really good Public Service Announcement I heard about
Stereotypes. It starts by saying you are swimming in the ocean and suddenly
you see a shark nearby and it is coming right towards you. What do you do?

a) Don't be alarmed, continue swimming. Perhaps this shark doesn't fit the
stereotype that "many sharks attack and kill people" and you should judge this
shark as an individual and not be a "sharkophobe".

b) Get out of the water quickly.

Being politically correct could end your life, judging on stereotypes could save
it.

It was a very dramatic and good PSA, I think I still have a copy of it
somewhere.

> > Then there is the third belief that he is only a fictional
> > character of mythology, like many of the greek gods.
>
> It's a pretty good bet that Jesus really existed,

So you have no problem at all that people can walk on water or rise from the
dead? Or are you one of those that is going to say that he never did any
of those things and was not really the son of God, but there was some person
named Jesus who actually lived and preached about God? How is it that you
would then be able to pick and choose what you want about the real Jesus
without anything to back it up?

What is Jesus' last name? Where did Cain's wife come from?

-----------------------------------------
A man sees a man and a woman riding on a donkey in the desert. He walks up
to them and asks them their names. The man on the donkey says his name is
Joseph and he and his wife Mary are on their way to Bethlehem (if the US
military doesn't blow it up first) to have a baby. The observer says:
"WHOA! Wait a minute! You are Joseph and your wife's name is Mary and you
are going to have a baby in Bethlehem?" Don't tell me! You are going to
name your baby Jesus, right?"

To which the man on the donkey replies: "What the hell do you think we
are, Mexicans?"

> >>If a Jew
> >>suddenly rejects the tenets of the Jewish religion, does he
> >>really stop being a Jew?
> >
> >
> > Are we talking about a black Jew, a German Jew, or an Israeli Jew?
> > And is he just becoming an Atheist or is he joining up with another
> > religion?
>
> What's the difference?

Well, if a black Jew, like Sammy Davis Jr., decides to stop being a Jew and
become a Buddhist, then he is no longer a Jew. Blacks are not born Jews,
and neither is any other race. A child from Jewish parents can be
adopted by Christians and the child becomes neither a Jew or a Christian,
that child can make up it's own mind when it is old enough to.

> (And it's "atheist" with a small "a".)

What?! I can use a capital letter if I want to. In other cultures and
languages, all nouns are capitalized. If people want God and Christian to
be capitalized, I can say I want Atheist to be capitalized too. If you
want to tell me I can't, then I will start talking about the christian god
that way too.

When someone resorts to pointing out spelling and grammar mistakes, it
means they don't have anything to dispute the statements made, so they
twist the subject on spelling and grammar, or yell at someone for using all
capital letters, or some other ridiculous thing just to turn the subject
somewhere else.

> >> > It is too bad that someone like Jesus who had God as his father had to
> >> live in
> >> > cave man times without any computers, cameras, or the great things we have
> >> > now. Surely if God can create the Universe, he could have created
> >> things
> >> > like this for his son rather than throw him in the middle of an ancient
> >> desert?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> At the time, the desert was pretty damn modern.
> >
> >But you see the point? Unless you think God is impressed with humans computers
> >and cameras and has no idea how such things work and is so afraid that perhaps
> >that is why he is hiding and we never hear or see from him anymore?
>
> Does this imply that we did?

No, Christian mythology implies that we did, and yet we don't witness or observe this
now. Just as we don't observe anything from Greek mythology today either.

> >Oh that's right... his image shows up on potato chips every so often. What a
> >crazy cult.

> > It sounds weird that ANYONE would worship him, but that is what many
> > people do, even when their own religion tells them they are not
> > supposed to worship anyone other than their God. That means no
> > worshiping or bowing down to the Pope either. But then they tell
> > you that Jesus and their God are the same person, and then you can
> > debate no further with them because if one person can just use
> > mythology and make up claims that go against everything else we see
> > in nature without proof and the rest of us have to debate using facts
> > and things we can prove and try to explain, well then that is a
> > debate that can not be taken seriously, or that can go anywhere.
>
> The equivalence between God and the Messiah (Jesus Christ) is documented in
> the Gospel of John verses 1 - 17. While you may choose to disbelieve these
> verses, you can't claim that Christians make up this stuff as they speak; it
> is solidly documented in the verses I mentioned.

That from a book that also documents that the world is flat with four corners,
among other incorrect statements.

If I argue with someone after they have seen pictures of the earth from space
that the world is indeed flat with four corners because it is documented in the
bible, what sort of a crackpot do you think I would be taken as?

The same type as you are making the statement you just did.

> By the way, would you like to pick one fact from nature (not man-made
> mathematics) that you can actually *prove*?

That large gigantic dinosaurs once existed on this planet. I can prove that
with hard evidence and proof. Now you try and prove the unicorns that the
bible talks about, or fire breathing dragons, or dragons with thirteen heads as
mentioned in revelations. Prove your God and Jesus to us.

> In what way is believing say in
> Darwinism

We can actually observe evolution with species such as certain moths that had
colorings that camouflaged them to the trees of the area. When a fire caused
all the trees to change to a charcoal color, the next generation evolved to
colors that matched the new colors of the trees. Cockroaches and pests evolve
to withstand new poisons created to kill them. People are now being born
without wisdom teeth as we no longer need them and people today have less teeth
than man in the past. We can see evolution happening. We can observe it.

> or the Big-Bang Theory

Now that one is bullshit, but that is because the church always controlled
science and scientists and if anyone would make theories that went against
religion, they would be hung! Even now science can't help people with stem
cell research or people get uptight about abortion because of the power the
church still has over science.

The Big Bang Theory was allowed by the church as it did not contradict the
creationism theory. Both are one and the same and the church liked it. Now
that scientists a few years ago with the Hubbell telescope were able to disprove
the Big Bang Theory you would think we would here no more about it as when
science finds a contradiction with a "theory" it is tossed out, but when asked
why scientists cling to this theory still after being proven false, many reply
that even though we see that this theory is no longer valid, we will hold on to
it as we have nothing to replace it with yet. That is bad science.

The problem is, is that people keep thinking of the universe as a container
instead of existence. You can't NOT have existence. You can't create or
start an existence with there being existence. How can you have a big bang to
create a universe if there is not already a universe to have a big bang in?
You can't.

> or, if you are up to it, General Relativity
> not taking things on faith? Apart from mathematics, the one place where man
> is allowed to make up consistent axioms and proceed to prove very nice
> theorems, what else can you rigorously *prove* to be undeniably true?

Mathematics will never help anyone solve questions of existence and reality
because numbers don't work in the real world. Even something as basic as a
measurement of a circle like PI has no real number you can write down, you can
only estimate it. You can never measure anything exactly, only approximately
for the needs that is good enough for our use, like with rulers and
micrometers. There is no exact measurement, nothing in the universe fits into
exact numbers or equations, and why Einstein could never come up with nice neat
formulas that would explain the whole universe. Math is what is holding
science back.

Hey, I am not one of those that says religion is all bullshit and all science is
true. Much of science is bullshit too, but that doesn't make religion any less
bullshit. Religion is the king of bullshit, and as long as it has control over
what science can do, science has to come up with bullshit theories that don't
contradict the church. The church doesn't hang scientists anymore for coming
up with facts that contradict religion, but you don't hear much from them, do
you?

A great book is "The Big Bang Never Really Happened" by Eric Lerner. I
figured this out many decades ago as a child, but scientists are just now
starting to realize this simple fact that can be figured out in a child's head
without any math or formulas. It is harder to explain new theories to someone
else that you have, but it is really easy to disprove false theories just by
contradictions you can observe in reality.

The universe (existence) is not a container, and it did not have a beginning.
How do we know this? Because the only other explanation says it does have a
beginning, and that is quickly disproved with rational logical thinking of how
that would be impossible. The only other alternative is that it had no
beginning and always was. With this theory, all of a sudden you can't come up
with any contradictions to disprove it.

People have no problem thinking of God without a beginning or creator, yet they
can not think of or grasp the universe without a beginning or creator.

> > It is too bad that someone like Jesus who had God as his father had
> > to live in cave man times without any computers, cameras, or the
> > great things we have now. Surely if God can create the Universe,
> > he could have created things like this for his son rather than throw
> > him in the middle of an ancient desert?
>
> Guess what? The Devil, who had gotten permission from God to tempt Jesus
> while he was fasting 40 days/ 40 nights in the desert pretty much asked Him
> the same sort of questions

Which brings up the other point that if God has the power to get rid of satan
and all evil and does not, then he places all these things on us INTENTIONALLY
and is a real asshole if you just think about it.

> (nothing about cameras and PCs though) :). For
> the exciting blow-by-blow account of that conversation between Jesus and the
> Devil, see Matt 4:1-11.

I read the science fiction novel. Even had unicorns and fire breathing dragons
in it, but there were too many contradictions in the story so it didn't make any
sense like other good novels do.

> The issue, Jon, is: Jesus did not walk the earth to take great photographs
> or to play Doom.

He actually didn't walk the earth at all, but for the sake of the fictional
story, of course he didn't because the story takes place in a time where those
things didn't exist and the world was still flat with four corners. Later
Columbus came along and turned God's flat earth into a round one. Ever see a
picture of the earth from space? Not anything like God or Jesus said it was, is
it?

> Remember that the "wages of sin is death" (Rom 6:23),

Remember THIS:

2 Kings 18:27
But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to
thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to
the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and
drink their own piss with you?

So important is this passage that it is in the Bible TWICE....

Isaiah 36:12
But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master
and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that
sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their
own piss with you?

Malachi 2:3
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces!

And thou shalt eat it as barely cakes, and thou shalt bake it
with dung that cometh out of man..." - Ezekiel 4:12

"Lo, I have given thee cow's dung for man's dung and thou
shalt prepare thy bread therewith" - Ezekiel 4:15


How did Judas die? Here you have a contradiction. According to Matthew he
threw the money away and hanged himself::

Matthew: 27:4
saying, "I have sinned by betraying innocent blood." But they said, "What is
that to us? You take
care of it yourself!" 27:5 So Judas threw the silver coins into the temple and
left. Then he went out and
hanged himself.

But according to Acts, Judas used the money to buy land, and then died from a
fall:

Acts 1:18
Now this man Judas acquired a field with the reward of his unjust deed, and
falling headfirst he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out.

At least one of these stories must be false. It gets even odder when you
realize that a Judas is still listed among the disciples after his supposed
death:

Acts 1: 1:13
When they had entered Jerusalem, they went to the upstairs room where they were
staying. Peter and John, and James, and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew
and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James
were there.


JOB 41:19.....
Out of this mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his
nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot of caldron. His breath kindleth
coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and
their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.

Revelation 12:3 "...and behold a GREAT RED DRAGON, having SEVEN HEADS and ten
horns, and seven crowns upon his heads."


"If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and
children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my
disciple." - Luke 14:26
(Jesus)


> and Jesus was the
> "sacrificial lamb" who took all these wages from every person from the past,
> present and future, and died the death that we each deserve. Jesus had a
> very large following before the events of the Crucifixion unfolded.

Santa Clause STILL has a large following. And unlike Jesus, his promises and
rewards for being good come each year. Not just empty promises that you will
get your rewards after you are dead rotting in the ground.

But then again, Jesus being a Jew, had to figure out the cheapest way and didn't
want to spend as much money as Santa does on people every year. :)

Santa gives gifts, Jesus only empty promises.

> If you were Jewish, how would you feel about your statement that the Jews
> control everything?

I didn't make that statement, but I can answer. Perhaps the way a German
feels when he is told that the Germans are evil people who murdered and don't
like Jews. Or the way a white person feels when they are constantly told
that they are racists who discriminate against blacks.

On the other hand, when people don't want to hire any lawyer unless they are
good Jewish ones, that is another statement saying all Jewish lawyers are
great and no one takes too much offense at that. I am sure there must be
plenty of Jewish lawyers that are horrible.

Something to think about is where so many people get the idea that Jews
control everything. Did they just pull that out of a hat, or where did it
come from? Why are people so afraid of sharks when swimming in the ocean
and such sharkophobes? Surely not ALL sharks are going to come and attack
you. But that stereotype must have come from somewhere.

I bet a Jew that has major control over a television network would read that
statement and feel a lot different than a poor unemployed Jew that lives in
the street. So you are in essence asking the question of how would a Jew
feel about that statement as if all Jews were alike and are going to feel the
same way about it. You are in fact doing exactly what you are angry at the
other person for doing!

Wes J wrote:

> So what's your POINT in saying blacks have a dispropotionate share of the
> prison population?

Where did I say the answer was blacks? YOU are saying that now, I said:

> > What race of people take up the highest percentage of the prison
> population in
> > the US? In order to answer this question correctly, you will be called
> a
> > racist by many people.

But if you did the research and found the answer to be blacks, then YOU can be
called the racist. THAT was the point. The point is that sometimes if you
want to state a fact, you have to be careful because you will be called a racist
by today's society.

> Should we now be less trustfull of blacks in general?

See how the subject from my statement above not only turned into one about
blacks, but somehow suggesting that I don't trust blacks? You have proven my
point very well, and I never even answered my question, YOU did! So now just
ASKING what race makes up the largest percentage of prison populations, or
mentioning the question is considered racist too.

What a scary society this has turned into. People afraid to tell the truth
and state facts or else they will be called names and arrested for hate crimes.

This whole thread was started by a pitiful, hateful, cowardly troll.
You're all rolling in his pigshit and he is loving the splattering sounds...

Stop feeding the trolls!

Cheers,
Alan.

Wes J wrote:
> Interesting how you attempt to make me the jerk simply because I asked a
> bigot how he would feel if the roles were reversed. What's your agenda? No
> one can dispute anyone because their words can be twisted into something
> never intended? That person didn't say what kind of Jew he was talking
> about--just a general statement. That sort of generalization I believe
> WOULD upset most if not all Jewish people.
>
> "Jon Wordsworth" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>>So you are in essence asking the question of how would a Jew
>>feel about that statement as if all Jews were alike and are going to feel
>
> the
>
>>same way about it. You are in fact doing exactly what you are angry at
>
> the
>
>>other person for doing!
>

Frank ess wrote:

> "Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 17:21:20 GMT, "Frank ess" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Not sure which group you are from
> > >> > but kreplach discussions are kind of universal.
> > >>
> > >> Joel--how about rec.food.kreplach?
> > >
> > >rec.folkwisdom.kreplach
> > >
> >
> > rec.food.wanton.lookslike.kreplach.
> >
>
> rec.food.recklessabandon.lookslike.kreplach.

To paraphrase an old comedy album my dad had,
kreplach.comsomme.mit.high.blood.pressure

Steve


--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
http://www.dentaltwins.com

William Graham wrote:

> Jon Wordsworth <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > > > 26 + 6 = 1 It's Irish Math
> > > >
> > > huh?
> >
> > Yeah, perhaps you can explain this joke, I don't get it either. Now if
> you said it was
> > Polish Math, I would get the joke, but I don't get the Irish connection.
> >
> He explained this once before, about a year ago.....It has something to do
> with combining the counties/districts in Ireland into one cohesive
> unit.......

Ok, now I see how the joke could work. But what good is joke that has to be
explained all the time? The fact that he had explained it once before, and
two of us now didn't get it, means I am not the only one.

It is much funnier as a classic Polish Joke.

William Graham wrote:

>>
>
> It is no more (un)realistic to believe that the universe did not have a
> beginning than it is to believe that God did not have one......
>
>

Bill, time to let go of this troll induced thread. Or at least take it
away to the right NG's.

Alan.

Mike Hide wrote:
>
>
>
> "Wes J" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Interesting how you attempt to make me the jerk simply because I asked a
>>bigot how he would feel if the roles were reversed. What's your agenda?
>
> No
>
>>one can dispute anyone because their words can be twisted into something
>>never intended? That person didn't say what kind of Jew he was talking
>>about--just a general statement. That sort of generalization I believe
>>WOULD upset most if not all Jewish people.
>
>
> When you make the statement that "I asked a bigot" presumably you were
> referring to me ,referencing a previous post . It would seem to me you have
> absolutely no qualifications to make such a statement. As a matter of fact
> you are the one providing the labels, based on no facts, and facts presented
> by me which you refuse to respond to, makes you in fact to be the BIGOT .
> mjh
>


Folks: think we can let this stupid troll induced thread die?

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>>Don't exempt mathematics from the above statement. All of Euclid's geometry
>>is based on 5 unproveable postulates....Any scientific theory is only as
>>good as what it can predict, and lasts only as long as no fact turns up to
>>disprove it. But when a theory lasts as long, and is as useful in predicting
>>so many things as evoloution, for example, it is generally taken as fact.
>
>
> Cripes! We can actually SEE evolution for ourselves! Not all species take as
> long as humans, many insects evolve to their surroundings with each
> generation! This is not just some theory, it is observable reality. So is
> the fact that many people now are being born without ever having wisdom
> teeth. The reason the rest of us had to have them pulled out in the first
> place is that our jaws are evolving into smaller ones and there are too many
> teeth for the processed foods we now eat, and now many are born without ever
> having wisdom teeth as adults.

ROTFLMAO ... you really don't understand evolution, do you? The presence
of wisdom teeth is genetic. For wisdom teeth to be "excluded" from a
line, "survivors" who were born without natural wisdom teeth (missed the
gene(s) due to a "defect") need to have children to pass the "missing"
trait along.

Cheers,
Alan

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>>Don't exempt mathematics from the above statement. All of Euclid's geometry
>>is based on 5 unproveable postulates....Any scientific theory is only as
>>good as what it can predict, and lasts only as long as no fact turns up to
>>disprove it. But when a theory lasts as long, and is as useful in predicting
>>so many things as evoloution, for example, it is generally taken as fact.
>
>
> Cripes! We can actually SEE evolution for ourselves! Not all species take as
> long as humans, many insects evolve to their surroundings with each
> generation!

They don't just evolve. Traits appear somewhat randomly (by
mutation) and some survive because of "natural selection".

> This is not just some theory, it is observable reality.

Evolution is both a fact and a theory. It's difficult for
most folks to distinguish between the two.

> So is
> the fact that many people now are being born without ever having wisdom
> teeth. The reason the rest of us had to have them pulled out in the first
> place is that our jaws are evolving into smaller ones and there are too many
> teeth for the processed foods we now eat, and now many are born without ever
> having wisdom teeth as adults.

You lost me here. If some folks are born without the genes
for wisdom teeth, then this is/was a mutation and not an
effect of eating processed foods. Now the fact that folks
without these genes can well survive in our environment
means that their genes (sans the genes for wisdom teeth)
will get passed on to future generations.

--
M2

Look how the U.S.A. has Voted // Vetoed- see any bias - see any pattern ?
1972-2002 UN Vetoes from the USA

Year -----Resolution Vetoed by the USA
1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air
raids.
1973 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from
the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Affirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Criticizes the living conditions of the Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.
1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the
apartheid South Africa.
1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms
race.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab
countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of
states.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade
negotiations.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian
people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3
resolutions.
1980 Affirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.
1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system
in accord with the will of its people, without
outside interference in whatever form it takes.
1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.
1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.
1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the
arms race and promote disarmament.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and
the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli
soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.
1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the
ecology.
1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space. 3
resolutions.
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .
1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national
development are human rights.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.
1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.
1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to observe international law.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the
Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.
1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied
territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).
1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan
ambassador in Panama.
1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.
1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN
resolutions.
1995 Affirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied
territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other
occupied territories. 2 resolutions.
1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba. 8 resolutions (1992 to
1999).
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.

Mike wrote:
> "Michael Moore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Also, believing that the universe did have a beginning does
>>not compel one
>>to believe that there was an intelligent creator -- the
>>latter is just as
>>much extra theoretical baggage in this case as it is in the
>>case of an eternal universe.
>>
>>--
>>M2
>>
>
> The universe was not created, it has always been.

So say you. What do you make of the current state of cosmology?

--
M2

> Yes, but they have to give Bush his chance to be in the limelight.....So,
> they have to suspend retaliatory attacks, let some terrorists go, and pull
> out of a few selected places for a while until Bush is satisfied. Then, all
> will revert to normal again for another 8 years.......

However, the reason for taking over Iraq was not just for the oil, but to have a
large permanent US military base in the region as the US knew Saudi Arabia
wanted them out of their country. Now the US has it's own land in the area
and will be part of these fights and wars for the rest of our lives.

You will never see the US military leave Iraq during your lifetime.

> Also, believing that the universe did have a beginning does
> not compel one
> to believe that there was an intelligent creator --

But a creator. (God does not seem very intelligent anyway) You can NOT have
an explosion or "Big Bang" if there is no universe or existence for it to
occur in. What CAUSED the explosion? The Big Bang Theory has to be
thrown out just on the basis it makes no sense whatsoever, unless you want to
realize it is no different from the Creationism Theory that God was sitting
around in non existence and then created existence which really also makes no
sense. If God exists, then there is existence and he did not create it.
Who created God? How can something so amazing and complex as God just have
popped up out of nowhere? Did he just evolve out of dust or from Apes?
There has to be an intelligent creator for God if you have to have one for
man!

Without man, what would God's purpose be?

God was created by man to answer questions man could not figure out yet.
You can see this as without man, there would be no need and purpose for the
God in the first place. As it is set up, God needs man more than man needs
God. If man decides no longer to procreate and just die out and become
extinct, what will God do and what will his purpose be? He will be forced
to create man again or have nothing and no one to control and boss around and
give commandments to.

What would Bush do without taxpayers and a military? He would have no
purpose either and would have to get a real job to feed and house himself.

> The universe was not created, it has always been.

Holy shit. Someone else in the world has finally figured this out too.

> You lost me here. If some folks are born without the genes
> for wisdom teeth, then this is/was a mutation and not an
> effect of eating processed foods.

Your body keeps track of what you use and don't. We don't need as many teeth or use
our jaws in the way we did, and just as your muscles are not as big if you don't use
them as much, and after generation to generation of not using them as much they evolve
much weaker, clothing covering the body to protect it means not as much hair is
needed, etc, and this passes on slowly. We already have too many teeth for our jaw
that is getting smaller, and for a while, everyone has to have the wisdom teeth
removed as they are not needed. The body keeps track of this, perhaps people that
have them removed and procreate, the gene keeps track that it was not used or needed
and eventually people don't have them anymore. It is fact that many people are now
born without them. That is not the same as being born without arms and legs, it is
these specific teeth that are missing, not the front teeth, it is not some defect or
mutation, it is evolution in action.

We don't really need a spleen or appendix either, eventually people will be born
without them, but not overnight or even in our lifetimes perhaps, it has to get
smaller first until it is completely gone, just like our jaws are getting smaller.

> I see. so environment causes mutation shifts ......... interesting
> theory ...... well disproven though!

It's evolution, and you will never disprove that members in my family never had any wisdom
teeth, even as old adults.

> Joel M. Eichen, D.D.S.

Your a dentist and you are arguing this? Surely you have had patients and seen x-rays
where wisdom teeth never formed? You don't have people being born without front teeth,
because we need those. It is not just certain teeth at random we are talking about here,
and why is it that so many need to have their wisdom teeth removed anyway? Do I have to
explain this to you?

Hey perhaps we can argue about another theory.... The one where a dentist with not so
many patients has to find cavities in his patient's teeth in order to make bill payments,
even if they don't have any cavities.

I have studied this theory heavily and I don't like my observed results.

Be wary when you are told you have a cavity that you can not see from the outside of the
tooth and only on an x-ray that you don't know how to read. No cavities start from the
inside and go out. If you can't see if from the outside, get a second opinion. However,
don't ask the second dentist if you have a cavity in that tooth, just let him examine and
see what he says on his own. The results will surprise you, suddenly there is no cavity
there, but two others somewhere else.

One dentist wanted to send me to a specialist to have my gums treated and said they may
have to cut some of them off. I went to another dentist and he never said anything about
my gums, so right before I left I asked him specifically what he thought about my gums and
he said they looked very healthy. Thank God I didn't go to that specialist and have them
butcher them! That was about 8 years ago and my gums are still healthy and fine.

Now every time I am told I have cavities, I switch to a new dentist. A new dentist rarely
tells you you have cavities because he wants the first visit to feel safe and be a good
experience so you will come back.

Too bad my parents didn't know this, as a child the crackpot they took me to would always
find cavities that I never could see, but he explained you could only see them on
x-rays. Then as an adult I never went for 10 years, finally went back to one and guess
what? No cavities! The more often I go, the more cavities. Now I don't go unless I
find a cavity myself, but so far no cavities.

Mike Hide wrote:
>
> actually everyone in New York is not Jewish, howwever there are more Jews in
> New York than there are in Israel. Can you tell me otherwise ?. and they
> basically control the wealth is the US. dont they ....mjh
>

No, it's the WASPs. Or is it the WAPs? I can never keep those two apart.

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>>Also, believing that the universe did have a beginning does
>>not compel one
>>to believe that there was an intelligent creator --
>
>
> But a creator. (God does not seem very intelligent anyway) You can NOT have
> an explosion or "Big Bang" if there is no universe or existence for it to
> occur in.

The term "creator" implies responsibility which implies some
intelligence. Perhaps the term you are grasping for is
"first cause" (How about a quantum singularity?). Further,
"existence" is neither a thing or an attribute -- the idea
that existence precedes things is absurd. Perhaps you are
suggesting that space-time need first exist? But the Big
Bang is about the creation of space-time. In any case, I
take it that you do not believe that quantum elements just
pop into existence?

> What CAUSED the explosion?

Is a cause required?

--
M2


> The Big Bang Theory has to be
> thrown out just on the basis it makes no sense whatsoever, unless you want to
> realize it is no different from the Creationism Theory that God was sitting
> around in non existence and then created existence which really also makes no
> sense. If God exists, then there is existence and he did not create it.
> Who created God? How can something so amazing and complex as God just have
> popped up out of nowhere? Did he just evolve out of dust or from Apes?
> There has to be an intelligent creator for God if you have to have one for
> man!
>
> Without man, what would God's purpose be?
>
> God was created by man to answer questions man could not figure out yet.
> You can see this as without man, there would be no need and purpose for the
> God in the first place. As it is set up, God needs man more than man needs
> God. If man decides no longer to procreate and just die out and become
> extinct, what will God do and what will his purpose be? He will be forced
> to create man again or have nothing and no one to control and boss around and
> give commandments to.
>
> What would Bush do without taxpayers and a military? He would have no
> purpose either and would have to get a real job to feed and house himself.
>
>

Jon Wordsworth wrote:
>>Yes.....This is like claiming that life didn't start on earth.....It started
>>on some other planet, and fell to earth trapped in a meteor......So the
>>question becomes, "How did it start on that other planet?" - Well, it
>>didn't. - It started on some third planet, and fell on that other planet
>>trapped in a meteor.......But how.......etc, etc. Science will continue to
>>try to figure out how the universe started. Saying that some supreme being
>>started it just isn't going to cut it.....
>
>
> Nor is saying that it started. They can never find out how it started if it
> didn't ever start.

Perhaps you are confusing the birth of life with the birth
of the universe? Do you really believe that life always
existed?

--
M2

> I like Bush....

I hope I never have to cross paths with you on a street anywhere or that you
ever come near any of my family.

What a scary thing to say. I hope it was a joke, but you really should never
joke about things like that. This bastard has killed more people that Hitler
ever did. But I guess Afghans and Iraqis and Americans are not as important
as Jews are.

Thanks for proving my point again.
And learn how to post a reply after the comments you are reply to so you don't
have to scroll up and down all the time to follow a conversation like when you
reply at the top like this.
See how you like it.


Wes J wrote:

> Your subtle way of being bigoted isn't as subtle as you think. Your only
> argument seems to be to twist the words of others into something they didn't
> mean to say. You know who the largest percentage of prisoners are, but try
> to say it in a way you can use against others. Apparently you DO have an
> underlyinhg agenda to smear Jews and Blacks. At least that's what I get
> from your "intelectual" arguments. Why don't you just say directly how you
> feel, rather than analyzing how others state their opinion?
> "Jon Wordsworth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Wes J wrote:
> >
> > > So what's your POINT in saying blacks have a dispropotionate share of
> the
> > > prison population?
> >
> > Where did I say the answer was blacks? YOU are saying that now, I said:
> >
> > > > What race of people take up the highest percentage of the prison
> > > population in
> > > > the US? In order to answer this question correctly, you will be
> called
> > > a
> > > > racist by many people.
> >
> > But if you did the research and found the answer to be blacks, then YOU
> can be
> > called the racist. THAT was the point. The point is that sometimes if
> you
> > want to state a fact, you have to be careful because you will be called a
> racist
> > by today's society.
> >
> > > Should we now be less trustfull of blacks in general?
> >
> > See how the subject from my statement above not only turned into one about
> > blacks, but somehow suggesting that I don't trust blacks? You have
> proven my
> > point very well, and I never even answered my question, YOU did! So now
> just
> > ASKING what race makes up the largest percentage of prison populations, or
> > mentioning the question is considered racist too.
> >
> > What a scary society this has turned into. People afraid to tell the
> truth
> > and state facts or else they will be called names and arrested for hate
> crimes.
> >
> >
> >

Gregory W. Blank wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Michael Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>One word -- evidence.
>>M2
>
>
> Gee; I am impressed!!! with your superior reasoning and
> your ability to be concise.

Thank you. :P

--
M2

> Perhaps you are confusing the birth of life with the birth
> of the universe? Do you really believe that life always
> existed?

Always has and always will. You can't get rid of it no matter how hard you
try. There is life on every planet in every galaxy. Dig 2 miles under a
glacier at the North Pole and you will find life.

Not all life is in human form, but human life is nothing compared to what has and
what will exist elsewhere, somewhere. You can't not have life.

> The term "creator" implies responsibility which implies some
> intelligence. Perhaps the term you are grasping for is
> "first cause"

Either way my answer would be the same.

> (How about a quantum singularity?). Further,
> "existence" is neither a thing or an attribute --

You know what it is when you think about it, but our vocabulary and language doesn't
have ways to talk about many things about the universe and existence. I can only
put it the best way I can with the language we have. It is like trying to explain
a television set to an aborigine who never saw one before. To us, all I have to
say is the word television and all those hours of trying to explain that idea is
conveyed to you in an instant. But apparently we are at a dead end if I try to
explain what existence is to anyone, as we don't have the words I need in our
vocabulary yet. But if you just think about these things, you can figure it all
out yourself. It may not be easy to explain what you figure out to someone else,
but you will know. See, you don't need to think to yourself with words and a
limited vocabulary. Perhaps some people do think to themselves that way, and that
is why they can't figure out anything beyond what there are words for.

> the idea
> that existence precedes things is absurd.

The idea of there not being existence is absurd, thus it always was. The only
other alternative would be if there was no existence, but since there is and we know
that, then there could not have been any start or beginning. This is so simple
really. You just have to think about it.

> Perhaps you are
> suggesting that space-time need first exist? But the Big
> Bang is about the creation of space-time.

That whole theory is when people are thinking of a container in which all the
galaxies we can see through telescopes are contained in and the container is
constantly expanding outwards. This is a ridiculous and absurd idea, but when
your mind is limited to think about the universe as a container, that is all you are
ever going to end up with.

> In any case, I
> take it that you do not believe that quantum elements just
> pop into existence?

I know what I know, and there are no words in the dictionary or our vocabulary that
can explain things any better than I have. Too many people have problems just
understanding the basics, so for me to try and go any further would just be a
confusing waste of time if people are already getting all confused about this
issue. If you can't get the idea or concept of the universe into your head first,
then nothing else is going to make sense either.

> > What CAUSED the explosion?
> Is a cause required?

All explosions require a cause, yes. Where have you observed otherwise?

"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
>
> Me too. If I post at the top like this, it annoys some people ..... if
> I post throughout the text or the end it annoys others .........
>
> For some, if I merely post at all it is a great sin!
>
You can please some of the people some of the time but if you try real
hard you can really piss off most of them all of the time :O)


--
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"Joel M. Eichen D.D.S." wrote:
>
> Wise words ...... I can never figure it out though .... if someone
> does not want to read a thread, why would they read it? Just SKIP it!
> There is no test coming up.
>
> Even more bizarre, are those who do not want to read it and FURTHER,
> do not want ANYONE to read it.
>
> Why not? What is the problem if I post something and the two people
> who are interested read it.
>
> For example, Springsteen.
>
> I know Yachida loves his music so I thought I'd post an interesting
> story ........ and he did write back mentioning how much he loved the
> story.
>
> Joel

It originates from when everyone paid by the minute and our connections
were slow. People got very very upset when they had to wait for a thread
to download only to find it was totally irrelevant.
The flame threads do piss me off, as do racist and religious threads.
I'm not religious, this isn't a religious group. It's a bit like having
someone knock on your door during prime time tv trying to sell you a
bible, or some bloke walking in your house to tell you he hates all
black people. There are places for these things, but the problem is they
won't get as many arguments or get up as many people's noses if they
stay within their own boundaries, so they xpost to groups where the
reader isn't the same way inclined, and before you know it a huge thread
has resulted.

What really bugs me about people with outspoken views on usenet is they
almost invariably hide behind aliases. They have the courage of slugs.


--
Paul. (I never agreed to be Your holy one)
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T P wrote:
>
> Paul Heslop <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >What really bugs me about people with outspoken views on usenet is they
> >almost invariably hide behind aliases. They have the courage of slugs.
>
> Let's see how much courage *you* have when your mailbox is filled with
> hate mail and SPAM your "friends" on here have kindly sent you.
>
> ;-)

Honestly, this happens. I still choose to remain myself. I have had the
dubious honour of a troll naming a bunch of newsgroups after me with the
most horrendous things attached to the title. I'm not saying they're
wrong to post anonymously, but they're a coward to post racist/abusive
posts behind an alias from an anonymous addy, it's the equivalent of
sniping, or letter bombing.
If these people have the courage of their convictions let them be known.

I also find that often they snipe and run, or refuse to answer replies
but move onto an equally abusive thread. They have no argument, just a
one track mind.
--
Paul. (I never agreed to be Your holy one)
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Johan Lexington wrote:
>
> This is pure blaspemy!
>
But who wrote the laws of the church? God or man? I bet there's not a
single mention in the bible that saying Jesus was a photographer would
have you sent to hell.
I just read an autobiography of a devout catholic who happens to be a
comedian. He is often asked how he can make jokes about the church and
his answer is simple
"My god has a sense of humour."

Nobody knows, for sure, about anything, until it happens.

--
Paul. (I never agreed to be Your holy one)
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"Gregory W. Blank" wrote:
>
> Its very true, the prim and proper were not those
> that Jesus hung around with in life according to the
> new testament.
>
I think I read that somewhere also. If you believe in a god I guess it
should really be up to you how you should serve that god, and you face
the consequences when the time comes.

--
Paul. (I never agreed to be Your holy one)
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"Gregory W. Blank" wrote:
>
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Paul Heslop <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I think I read that somewhere also. If you believe in a god I guess it
> > should really be up to you how you should serve that god, and you face
> > the consequences when the time comes.
>
> I think of Jesus as my brother someone who I can sound my
> thoughts to, I don't however attend church,. I strive to treat people with the
> respect I would want to have.....whether that gets me to nirvana
> or not I don't care as long as I'dont have to relive this life,..
> I just want to live without regretts as to what I could have done or
> who I could have helped.
>
and that's fair enough, you can't say more than that. To your own self
be true... or something like that :O)
--
Paul. (I never agreed to be Your holy one)
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