Well...you know about opinions! I use the stick type and love it for framing
and the coil type for roofing. Haven't had any problems with either. I think
my decision would be based not only on the price of the nailer but you need
to check the price of the nails too. For my money I'd buy another bostich
framing nailer!
Will that new FRH also fit a FRH gun, thus being compatible with both types
of guns?
Steve P.
"Dave jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> After purchasing several sencos and a porter cable framer, i suggest
either
> one. (I use framing guns a lot) the PC had a larger magazine, but was
> heavier than the sencos. The Sencos unjam easier. Both perform well. I
> would get a clipped head, they are more common. The full round are
usually
> plastic collated strips, sometimes the plastic will fly onto your body
when
> shooting and it can hurt. Senco has developed a full head nail to fit a
> clipped head nailer-- the nail head is full, but offset from the shank of
> the nail, so code issues shouldn't be a problem. Both guns are in the
$250
> or so range here. -dave
> "Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
> >
> > What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
> >
> > Best place to buy? Tool King???
> >
> > Thanks!
>
>
"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
As a contractor who does framing, I've been through Hilti, senco, duofast,
and bostich. I now use the Hitachi. They shoot most brand nails with no
problem. Local code doesn't allow clipped head fwiw. I have 5 of them and
have yet to have any problems with my oldest one which is 6 years old now.
I buy mine at the borg but amazon is about the same price. Make sure to get
the one with the flush nail attachment. Also from the fwiw dept, I've had
trouble with the Hilti. I understand they don't make them anymore. Good
choice on their part. They were junk. Also have had probs with the bostich
(it actually broke in three different places). Never again. We still have
the senco but the guys prefer the hitachis. The duofast was a good (but
heavy) machine. I think they quit using it back in the 80's. Good luck.
SH
No, that makes complete sense. Thanks.
Steve P.
"Dave jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:L%[email protected]...
> I don't believe so, the FRH has the head of the nail in the middle of the
> shank, whereas the FRH for a clipped head nail compatible gun has the full
> head of the nail, but it's offset from the shank. Also, clipped head and
> typical FRH are collated differently. hope this makes sense! hard one to
> explain.--dave
>
>
> "Steven P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Will that new FRH also fit a FRH gun, thus being compatible with both
> types
> > of guns?
> >
> > Steve P.
> >
> > "Dave jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > After purchasing several sencos and a porter cable framer, i suggest
> > either
> > > one. (I use framing guns a lot) the PC had a larger magazine, but
was
> > > heavier than the sencos. The Sencos unjam easier. Both perform well.
I
> > > would get a clipped head, they are more common. The full round are
> > usually
> > > plastic collated strips, sometimes the plastic will fly onto your body
> > when
> > > shooting and it can hurt. Senco has developed a full head nail to fit
a
> > > clipped head nailer-- the nail head is full, but offset from the shank
> of
> > > the nail, so code issues shouldn't be a problem. Both guns are in the
> > $250
> > > or so range here. -dave
> > > "Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > > Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
> > > >
> > > > What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
> > > >
> > > > Best place to buy? Tool King???
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Elmar <[email protected]> wrote:
> Continually fires multiple times and jams.
That's a problem with your technique. If you hold it down and keep the
trigger depressed its going to multiple fire and jam. I used to do that
with a Paslode when I was a rookie. I have done it with my HF, but
usually when I have it in an awkward position.
The HF is so close to the Porter Cable I was considering buying their
trigger kit (to avoid double fires) and seeing if it would fit.
>
> First firing of this gun put a 3" nail in the side of my wrist!!!!
First rule of all pneumatic nailers. Hold body parts further than the
distance of the nail. I've got Sencos otherwise and the nails will
travel sideways now and then because of the grain. I certainly don't
think its the guns fault.
>
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:31:18 -0500, p_j <[email protected]> wrote:
> Elmar <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> First firing of this gun put a 3" nail in the side of my wrist!!!!
>
> First rule of all pneumatic nailers. Hold body parts further than the
> distance of the nail. I've got Sencos otherwise and the nails will
> travel sideways now and then because of the grain. I certainly don't
> think its the guns fault.
I've got a great xray of, er, "someone's" left index finger with a
framing nail from a Senco nailgun in it. It doubled, the second nail
hit the head of the first nail, and went flying at least 6-8 inches
into the tip of the finger. Went in lengthwise, missed everything
important. All things considered it could have been much worse.
Hasn't doubled before or since, though.
Others have made good points.
However, some codes require a .161" vs. the .131" 16p nail. Many of the
less expensive nailers will not fire the .161 nail. I use both the Hitachi
and the PC. They both work fine however the PC has a tendency to double fire
more often.
All of the new nailers are designed not to allow rapid-fire nailing.
(Holding trigger and bouncing the gun.)
Although they can be modified easily. Unfortunately, neither is in your
price range.
You should be able to buy one used in that range. As for serviceability,
all of the local shops have Hitachi parts is stock and most have the PC
stuff as well.
Dave
"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
> Thanks!
[email protected] (Elmar) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
> Thanks!
Senco, Hitachi ( more expensive but a quality tool) Porter Cable are
some of the guns I have used. The Porter Cable tends to double shoot,
at least the older models I have used. I only use full round head
nailers, most of the areas I worked in are prone to hurricanes and
gale winds. Local building code specifies full round head nails. The
only advantage to the clip heads is the magazine holds more nails,
fewer stops to reload.I would reccomend the Senco or Hitachi.
mike
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:18:30 GMT, "cm" <[email protected]>
wrote:
Craig makes an excellent point. Within reason, it's not the cost of
the nailer to look at first. Repairability, availability of parts and
cost/availability of nails are better factors to examine. I gave away
my Hilti framer (Hilti no longer makes pneumatic framers) based on the
availability of parts and the scarcity of 17-degree nails.
Many stick nails come in 20-22, 28 or 31 degree inclinations.
If you don't earn a living framing houses, the nail count difference
clipped-to-round won't matter.
1. Go to nearby nail supply and find the most popular box of
round-head 3" framing nails.
2. Read the box to see which nailers will shoot these nails.
3. Get the nailer with the best repair record which is used by local
framing contractors.
>I researched this about a year ago and found out that the guys that repair
>them do not recommend Dewalt. After that they said choose the one I want. I
>bought a Senco at Lowes that came with a brad nailer for $256.00. I sold the
>brad nailer on ebay for $75.00. I am a light user but love my Senco.
>
>AZCRAIG
>
>www.azcraig.us
Maybe you shouldn't point it at your wrist.
"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> First firing of this gun put a 3" nail in the side of my wrist!!!!
I researched this about a year ago and found out that the guys that repair
them do not recommend Dewalt. After that they said choose the one I want. I
bought a Senco at Lowes that came with a brad nailer for $256.00. I sold the
brad nailer on ebay for $75.00. I am a light user but love my Senco.
AZCRAIG
www.azcraig.us
"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
> Thanks!
I don't believe so, the FRH has the head of the nail in the middle of the
shank, whereas the FRH for a clipped head nail compatible gun has the full
head of the nail, but it's offset from the shank. Also, clipped head and
typical FRH are collated differently. hope this makes sense! hard one to
explain.--dave
"Steven P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Will that new FRH also fit a FRH gun, thus being compatible with both
types
> of guns?
>
> Steve P.
>
> "Dave jackson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > After purchasing several sencos and a porter cable framer, i suggest
> either
> > one. (I use framing guns a lot) the PC had a larger magazine, but was
> > heavier than the sencos. The Sencos unjam easier. Both perform well. I
> > would get a clipped head, they are more common. The full round are
> usually
> > plastic collated strips, sometimes the plastic will fly onto your body
> when
> > shooting and it can hurt. Senco has developed a full head nail to fit a
> > clipped head nailer-- the nail head is full, but offset from the shank
of
> > the nail, so code issues shouldn't be a problem. Both guns are in the
> $250
> > or so range here. -dave
> > "Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
> > >
> > > What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
> > >
> > > Best place to buy? Tool King???
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> >
> >
>
>
[email protected] (Elmar) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
In some jurisdictions, it is rumoured that the choice of clipped or full
round is governed by code. YMMV
I prefer the Senco but recently I needed a nail gun on a weekend and bought
a cheap Harbor Freight full head gun for $99.00 and figured it would work
good for this one job.... Its been as good a gun as my Senco and has not
jammed the first time yet and its had about 6 boxes of nails through it so
far...
"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
> Thanks!
Full/round depends on your use and local code, so check it out first.
I live in an area where clipped heads are allowed, but I bought
full-round because it's (very) slightly stronger and looks much
better.
I'm a big supporter of buying used tools. I got a Bostitch framer at a
pawn shop for ~$140. It works perfectly. They let me test fire it in
the store, but there weren't any nails in it. They had a nice return
policy, so I felt no risk. I used it to put up 600 feet of cedar
privacy fencing around my yard, and it worked great. Occasional jam if
I got moving too fast, but nothing regular.
I say go used and save some cash. My compressor, a used 15-gallon
"3HP", is 15 years old, and cost me $50 at a garage sale. It's been
working like a champ for 2 years.
-Mike
[email protected] (Elmar) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
> Thanks!
Sadly I bought the cheap HF clipped head nailer and it's a complete
piece of junk. I've had great luck with their brad nailers but this
framing nailer is garbage. Continually fires multiple times and jams.
First firing of this gun put a 3" nail in the side of my wrist!!!!
I bought the Bostitch today and it seems to shoot VERY well. I also
went to full head versus clipped.
I am using it primarily to build sheds so the codes aren't quite as
stringent as home building.
"Mark Hopkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I prefer the Senco but recently I needed a nail gun on a weekend and bought
> a cheap Harbor Freight full head gun for $99.00 and figured it would work
> good for this one job.... Its been as good a gun as my Senco and has not
> jammed the first time yet and its had about 6 boxes of nails through it so
> far...
>
I have the Hitachi FRH nailer. Great nailer. It's an older model still
set up to bounce-fire only. The newer ones have selectable fire
without replacing the trigger. Nails available everywhere.
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:23:41 -0700, "Slowhand" <I'm@work> wrote:
>
>"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>>
>> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>>
>> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
>As a contractor who does framing, I've been through Hilti, senco, duofast,
>and bostich. I now use the Hitachi. They shoot most brand nails with no
>problem. Local code doesn't allow clipped head fwiw. I have 5 of them and
>have yet to have any problems with my oldest one which is 6 years old now.
>I buy mine at the borg but amazon is about the same price. Make sure to get
>the one with the flush nail attachment. Also from the fwiw dept, I've had
>trouble with the Hilti. I understand they don't make them anymore. Good
>choice on their part. They were junk. Also have had probs with the bostich
>(it actually broke in three different places). Never again. We still have
>the senco but the guys prefer the hitachis. The duofast was a good (but
>heavy) machine. I think they quit using it back in the 80's. Good luck.
>SH
>
After purchasing several sencos and a porter cable framer, i suggest either
one. (I use framing guns a lot) the PC had a larger magazine, but was
heavier than the sencos. The Sencos unjam easier. Both perform well. I
would get a clipped head, they are more common. The full round are usually
plastic collated strips, sometimes the plastic will fly onto your body when
shooting and it can hurt. Senco has developed a full head nail to fit a
clipped head nailer-- the nail head is full, but offset from the shank of
the nail, so code issues shouldn't be a problem. Both guns are in the $250
or so range here. -dave
"Elmar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
> What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
> Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
> Thanks!
The clipped-head hold more in the magazine due to the overlap.
Best place to buy - find out where the framing contractors in your
area buy their nails. Get the nailer which they use - it will be the
most reliable and use the least expensive nails.
On 30 Aug 2004 20:01:16 -0700, [email protected] (Elmar) wrote:
>Looking for one in the $200-$250 Range.....
>
>What is the advantage/disadvantage of clipped or full round?
>
>Best place to buy? Tool King???
>
>Thanks!