Ll

Leon

08/02/2012 11:30 AM

Justifying the Donino.

This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
mortices on each end.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/


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Cc

"CW"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

24/02/2012 5:57 PM

Lame, really lame.

"parksfamily2 ------ ---- --- gmail ----- ----- com" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

CW wrote:

>
>
> "Dave" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>> sayand do.
>> =================================================================
>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>
>
> Obviously, his finding of God shows cretins like you to be the low
> class person you apparently are.
> ====================================================================
> Just because I have a firm grip on reality. No, I do not believe in
> mythical beings.

Sometimes people think I am trying to argue when I am not. I do believe
though that when confronted with lies or sin, if the person who knowns
better doesn't speak up - they can become guilty as well (of course if
you've tried and they just refuse then it is no use in keep dragging it
out).

I may get me on a few more ignore lists :)
I do not want to commandeer the thread, but this is where I got asked.

So... (remember you asked me)
No to the bunny (pagan) - satan - yes of course.

>> No, I do not believe in mythical beings.

I am afraid you do. Don't you believe in the scientific theories, that
get disproved all the time? The scientist/doctors have been elevated by
society to deity. Yet they are constantly proven wrong. Example: One of
Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
being considered to be possibly invalid. Something that for decades was
accepted. Science can never prove something - their best hope is that
something is not disproved.... yet. It is just the way it works, and
many honest scientists will admit it.

So that is faith - and anything that is faith is religion. Religion is
nothing more than something you believe so strongly that you change your
life to accommodate it (true of not).

We all decide what we will believe - God gave us that right. Doesn't
make us right. We can choose to believe and obey God or go on our own
ideas. Choice doesn't mean we get to avoid the results of our choices -
but we still are allowed the choices.

Truth is right there in His Word, no need to go to some biblical scholar
(especially since most are not in the business of teaching His Word as
much as they are in Interpreting His Word so it is *more acceptable* -
they have that right as well - again can't avoid the results of choices
but they are given the right to choose). It is there so no one will be
able to say they didn't know. No interpretations needed - just what it
says - without trying to make it fit our own desires to make it say what
we would prefer.

You can accept or not - I don't want to force anyone - can't. I also
have no intention of dragging this conversation on if it is just to
disparage and call names - I care for serious talks about the subject
when they are wanted.

Mike

mI

"m II"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

11/02/2012 9:49 PM

The pressure rod grabbing mechanism tens to slip on the cheapies I have
bought. Some rough sandpaper to the shaft seems to alleviate this
burnishing problem for a few more uses before the garbage.


------------
"-MIKE-" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
I had about a half dozen of the real cheap ones in a bucket. They were
all encrusted with tar or glue or whatever. One day, I through them all
and wondered why the heck I was buying $3 "disposables" and holding on
to them for decades. I went out and bought a very nice $13-ish caulk
gun
that is a pleasure to use..... that is, if any pleasure can be derived
from using a caulk gun.

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 7:07 PM

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:44:05 -0500, Greg Guarino <[email protected]>
>My grout float sat after it's rookie job for quite a few years, but
>eventually came out again. The torx screwdrivers are still waiting
>though. I've probably used the Greenlee Naileater 3/4" drill bit and its
>extension maybe three times.

Sounds like typical home owner affliction. Cheaper to do the job
yourself rather than hiring someone, but you need a specific tool to
get it done. That's it for the next twenty years until you have a
similar task to do again and then you don't remember where you put
that tool. If, you remember buying it at all. Then, should you finally
find the tool, you realize that what you need to install has changed
specs and the tool you bought twenty years earlier is useless.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 12:50 PM

CW wrote:
> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>>> ... and NO,
>>>>
>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone
>>>>> contamination.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>
>>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>
>>
>> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
>> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>>
>> --
>> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on
>> the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert
>> myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and
>> am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein
>
> Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in
> their life becomes magnified since there appears to be no
> consequences for releasing their true character.
>
> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what
> you sayand do.
> =================================================================
> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?


So - you have your belief and he has his. Just what is it within you that
has to deride him for his expressed beliefs? Got a little insecurity thing
going on within yourself?

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

n

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:17 PM

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:07:26 +0000 (UTC), [email protected] (Edward A.
Falk) wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
>Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>
>OK, I'm in:
>
>Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>

Love my Dremel - both the ancient single speed one and the newer one
with a speed control.
Asked my dentist for the used diamond dust bits that usually get
thrown away at their dental end of life. They still work nicely to
trim little bits of ceramic tile (think: enlarging the hole in a tile
when replacing a 30+ year old duplex outlet with a GFCI version).
People might complain about the less than perfect grinding surface,
but the tile never says a word ;-)

John

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:09 PM

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:54:11 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:
>>
>>> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what
>>> you sayand do.
>>> =================================================================
>>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>>
>> He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
>> why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?
>
> I chose to filter instead. He joined Stormin this morning because
> this is not a religious forum, it's the Wreck.

Fair enough Larry, but do you also filter those who are outspoken in their
belief that is contrary to "religeous" beliefs? Of course, it is your
choice who you filter and who you don't, but I'm asking if the standard is
arbitrary, biased, or balanced.

In the end - it's just discussion. What you filter is your right to decide.
It's just somewhat amusing how this type of discussion results in double
standards. Oh well...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 11:25 PM

Michael Joel wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> SNIP
>> ... and NO,
>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone
>> contamination.
>
> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
> Not a cure all of course.
> But silicon contamination is not the end of all either.

Nope - but it sure as hell makes a complicated mess out of future finishing.
Why would anyone want to do that?

> If it was no
> one better polish furniture with pledge.

Well - those that do, don't know or care about a lot of these issues.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 10:52 AM

Edward A. Falk wrote:

>
> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.

All right you asshole - you've got me in that "continuing to chuckle" mode.
Why did you have to go do that? Now I'm going to have to go pee or
something...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:03 PM

basilisk wrote:

>
> He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
> why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?
>

You've been here long enough to know that it's a common enough thing here.
I don't get it myself, but I will admit that it does hit one of my hot
buttons. Seems those who like to deride this way feel very comfortable in
doing so, but then get all panty twisted if the opposing views express
themselves. Oh well...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

nn

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 9:57 AM

Leon, I don't know why you did that, but I never thought of the
Festool as a recreational machine.

Although $5 - $6 is pretty cheap for an hour's entertainment, wouldn't
it be easier to just sit in your garage and smoke a cigar and think
about things?

I know years ago when I got my PC biscuit machine I used to arrange
play dates with it. I slotted everything that needed it and then
some. But now as B.B. says 'the thrill is gone".

Seriously, you up to something?

Robert

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:03 AM


"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/9/2012 8:30 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> Wellllllll I don't have to justify it but some do and think it is
>>> crazy to spent that kind of money when they can do it with a bench top
>>> mortiser, router, DP and chisel, chisel. etc.
>>>
>>> I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
>>> seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it
>>> will save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better
>>> building techniques.
>>
>> As I replied to Swingman that was a tongue in cheek post... ;~)
>
> I totally understood that, but I knew there would be others that didn't
> hence my reply. ;~) I think you just caught Swingman off guard, he has
> been going at it with a couple of others here. ;-0

Could be... I'm dismayed at how badly things deteriorate here at times...
Why subject yourself to it...? I do this for fun, not to increase the stress
level of my life. As a side bonus, useful answers and opinions can be found
here at times! ;~)

> And I totally agree, who can really justify the cost of a 70" vs 40" TV?

40"? Geez... I watch TV in a window on my computer via a built in tuner.
Typically have it sized to about 5-6" diagonally. Not much on TV that I need
to see in detail and if I do I make the window bigger. ;~)

>
> If you like it, want it, and can afford it, GET IT. :~)

Yup!


Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 3:38 PM

On 2/8/2012 11:30 AM, Leon wrote:
> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
> mortices on each end.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>

One more thing that the domino tenons excel at which I would have never
though of doing with biscuits.

When matibg two pieces with these 5mm domino's I can glue and tap the
pieces together, lift by the top piece, rotate 180 degrees, and then
attach the opposite side. The domino's hold the parts together before
the glue dries. Basically parts stay in place with no fear of parts
coming apart from their own weight..

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 7:42 PM

-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 2/8/12 12:08 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>> Then between 11 am and 12 am, you went back and counted them all. :-)
>>
>
> 13 hours to count them? That's some serious ADD. :-p
>
>

Perhaps the problem was he was trying to count them as he set them up, and
kept knocking them down. ;-)

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 10:43 AM



"Leon" wrote
>
> I know about it and just got my rejection letter from Festool last week,
> then needed a few guiney pigs to try one out. I actually believe I am
> going to pass on this one, I think it is going to be better suited for
> larger than furniture projects. Now if I were into door building, bridge
> building, timber frame building, etc I would probably jump all over it.
> ;~)

Rejection letter from Festool?? Those bastards!! LOL

You need to by the big fella. It will help with your upcoming catapult and
trebuchet projects. ;-)




LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 4:19 PM



"Pat Barber" wrote ...
> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
>> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
>> on a whim?
>
> Wow.....somebody who finally understands the world of tools.
>
> Our old friend on PBS probably sold more tools accidentally than any
> tool rep in the world today.
>

Nahm?? Are we talking about Nahm?? What was funny about NYW was that PBS
insisted that all logos be covered or removed from the tools. Apparently it
would have been too commercial. And you could go to any tool store or forum
on the net and all the tool brands and models would be instantly
communicated. He did a hell of a job selling tools for a "non commercial"
network/program.


> Nobody needs a PC 557 but there are millions sitting in shops around the
> world because of one guy and a thing called tool envy.


I wonder how many routers were sold as a result of Norm opening that drawer
on his shop cabinet to reveal that he had more routers than fingers or toes.

>
> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>

Hey! I resemble that remark. I did some cleaning in my shop recently and
found stuff I bought over 30 years ago. Still in the original package. I
haven't opened them or used them since I bought them. Including a router
attachment to cut biscuit slots. Some odd fasteners that looked like a good
idea at the time, but never found a use in the real world.

On the other hand, I bought a bunch of tools that were put to use five
minutes after I got them home. And I have bought tools that lasted over
twenty years. Heck, my old wrenches and general tools are over 40 years
old. Most of what I bought was put to use. Although, sometimes I buy some
kinda exotic wrench because I had a couple situations where I really needed
it. And the situation hasn't arisen yet to use them. But If I need it, I
know where to find them!

Reminds me of that old depressing joke. How can you tell that you really,
really need a tool? When you buy it twice. That refers to brain farts
where you have a tool and forget about it. You go out and buy a new one and
discover that you already bought one years ago and forgot about it. I have
done that a couple of times.


> If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
> I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>
Like the bumper sticker says, "I am spending my kid's inheritance".


Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 5:13 AM

Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I saw a little, old, blue-haired couple arguing with the Walmart
> employee who couldn't fit the 50" TV into their 1970s compact car.
> Well, it fit into the back seat, but neither front seat would fold
> back upright and neither door would close. I think the 24" long trunk
> was too narrow to stick the box in sideways, too, even if they had
> some way to support the other 3' which were sticking out.
>
> My grin lasted over half an hour for that one. Two guys walked past
> me while I put on the windshield wiper blades and wondered just what I
> was grinning about. That shot the grin up another notch.
>
> Peoplewatching is fun.
>
> --
> Energy and persistence alter all things.
> --Benjamin Franklin

I bought a piece of plywood that did that... So I took it back in to the
store and asked them to cut it. It fit in the car just fine then. I bet
that would have worked for the TV!

Puckdropper

--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 5:15 AM

"John Grossbohlin" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> "Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>>
>> OK, I'm in:
>>
>> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>>
>> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
>> templates. Didn't like the results.
>>
>>
>>>If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>>>I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>>
>> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.
>
> ...and make sure you understate the cost of the stuff to your family
> so they under price it at the estate sale.
>
> John
>
>

120 grit 6" sandpaper. Cloth back, super strong stuff.

Trouble is, it can't be used on the Worksharp because I can't hardly cut
the stuff. (Anyone have a use for such heavy stuff?)

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 1:09 AM



"Kerry Montgomery" wrote
>
> I hope I haven't made my last dumb ass purchase yet, but my most recent
> one was a Stanley utility knife. Nothing wrong with it, but the length of
> time it took me to figure out how to install the blade made me feel like a
> dumb ass.
>
My wife, lovely lady, knows I like tools. So she buys them for me
sometimes. Usually I return them and get something I want. This upsets
here. Sooo....

She bought some kinda super utility knife from sears. She gave it to me for
Christmas. This thing came in a big case and had several modules. It
looked like a bad infomercial. I thought, how can you screw up a utility
knife? Little did I know.

I opened the case and viewed its many components. All I wanted was a
generic utility knife. I had a couple laying around, but I knew my wife
would get a kick seeing me use a present she bought. I fiddled around with
it for awhile to get it broken open to insert the blade. It had more parts
than a small engine. It was dark where I was trying to figure it out. So I
walked out on the porch to get some light. I carefully tried to move some
immensely complicated spring mechanism out of the way to insert the blade.

The many small parts inside this utility knife from hell exploded and flew
into some tall grass. I took the gutted knife and case with all its modules
and threw it in the trash. I let my wife know about it too. I was upset.
Who were the brilliant engineers who figured out a way to make the world's
most complicated utility knife?


LM

"Lee Michaels"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 3:04 PM



"Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>2.Tape measures (thousands)
>
> Check. But you can never have too many of those. If there
> isn't one within arm's reach, you don't have enough.
>
Yep, I hear that. I have three tape measures sitting beside me when I type
this. In my youth, I kept losing my tape measure. So I bought another. I
kept losing them. I bought another. A little better, but still spent lots
of time trying to locate that damned tape measure. then one day I was at a
surplus yard and they were closing out a line of tape measures that went out
of business. They came in bright colors, yellow, orange, green. They were
only a buck or two each. I bought the whole box. I have never failed to
find a tape measure since. And I bought some more when I needed something
bigger or better for a specific job.

Some folks think I have a tape measure fetish. I have them in the kitchen,
living room, office, my wife's sewing room and bedrooms. I have a tape
measure and a set of calipers in all the vehicles. And, of course, a number
of them in the shop.


DW

Doug Winterburn

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 1:41 PM

On 02/10/2012 01:04 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> 2.Tape measures (thousands)
>>
>> Check. But you can never have too many of those. If there
>> isn't one within arm's reach, you don't have enough.
>>
> Yep, I hear that. I have three tape measures sitting beside me when I
> type this. In my youth, I kept losing my tape measure. So I bought
> another. I kept losing them. I bought another. A little better, but
> still spent lots of time trying to locate that damned tape measure. then
> one day I was at a surplus yard and they were closing out a line of tape
> measures that went out of business. They came in bright colors, yellow,
> orange, green. They were only a buck or two each. I bought the whole
> box. I have never failed to find a tape measure since. And I bought some
> more when I needed something bigger or better for a specific job.
>
> Some folks think I have a tape measure fetish. I have them in the
> kitchen, living room, office, my wife's sewing room and bedrooms. I have
> a tape measure and a set of calipers in all the vehicles. And, of
> course, a number of them in the shop.
>
>
>
You have a tape measure in the bedroom?

Never mind...


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 9:30 PM

Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote in news:jh3hs7$ta5$1@dont-
email.me:

> Ok:
>
> I have the world's largest collection of:
>
> 1.Caulk guns (metric ass load)

Those things are funny. You care for them, use them a few times and give
them a nice spot in a drawer or on pegboard and they disappear. You
think you've provided them with a good home, but off they go. (Any wrench
is glad to have such a home--why not a caulk gun?)

The ones I've kept track of often are the ones with a tube of something
in them, so maybe that's what the others leave to find. Once found,
though, they often hide with their tube and only pop up once you discover
their hiding places. Sometimes it takes years.

Keeping caulk guns is like herding cats. :-)

*snip*

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 1:31 PM


"Han" wrote:


> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want
> to
> get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for
> this?

---------------------------------------------
How does $100 + freight sound?

Lew



LH

"Lew Hodgett"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 6:19 PM

"Han" wrote:

> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want
> to
> get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for
> this?
---------------------------------------------
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

> How does $100 + freight sound?
-------------------------------------------------
"Han" wrote:

> That sounds fine by me. Contact by email (opahan and yahoo as
> domain),
> if this is for yourself, or if anyone else is interested.
--------------------------------------------
Read and understand what I posted.

Lew


Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 6:30 AM

On 2/9/2012 11:15 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> "John Grossbohlin"<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> "Edward A. Falk"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In article<[email protected]>,
>>> Pat Barber<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>>> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>>> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>>>
>>> OK, I'm in:
>>>
>>> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>>>
>>> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
>>> templates. Didn't like the results.
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>>>> I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>>>
>>> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.
>>
>> ...and make sure you understate the cost of the stuff to your family
>> so they under price it at the estate sale.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>
> 120 grit 6" sandpaper. Cloth back, super strong stuff.
>
> Trouble is, it can't be used on the Worksharp because I can't hardly cut
> the stuff. (Anyone have a use for such heavy stuff?)

Try a cheap pair of aviation snips. Or use a utility knife from the
back side. I cut my drum sander paper this way.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 6:34 AM

On 2/10/2012 3:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:47:28 -0800, Larry Jaques
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I saw a little, old, blue-haired couple arguing with the Walmart
>> employee who couldn't fit the 50" TV into their 1970s compact car.
>> Well, it fit into the back seat, but neither front seat would fold
>> back upright and neither door would close. I think the 24" long trunk
>> was too narrow to stick the box in sideways, too, even if they had
>> some way to support the other 3' which were sticking out.
>>
>> My grin lasted over half an hour for that one.
>
> I wonder if there is money to be made there. If you have a pickup,
> just hang around the parking lot and offer to take the big packages
> home for them for a few $$$.

If you lived in Houston you would be called the "Mexican Illegals". ;~)

Not a bad idea though, like a wrecker driver.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 10:46 AM



"basilisk" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:

> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>>Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>
>>>>>_only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>
>>>Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>
>>
>> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
>> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>>
>> --
>> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the
>> labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in
>> order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
>> receiving. -- Albert Einstein
>
> Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
> life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
> releasing their true character.
>
> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
> sayand do.
> =================================================================
> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?

He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?
=====================================================================

The belief in a god is proof that the human race has not matured yet. Do
what you want but I don't want to here about it. In any case, I asked a
legitimate question. Belief in any of the three mentioned entities makes
equal sense.

rr

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

16/02/2012 6:57 AM

On Feb 15, 3:25=A0pm, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 7:07 PM, Dave wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:44:05 -0500, Greg Guarino<[email protected]>
> >> My grout float sat after it's rookie job for quite a few years, but
> >> eventually came out again. The torx screwdrivers are still waiting
> >> though. I've probably used the Greenlee Naileater 3/4" drill bit and i=
ts
> >> extension maybe three times.
>
> > Sounds like typical home owner affliction. Cheaper to do the job
> > yourself rather than hiring someone, but you need a specific tool to
> > get it done. That's it for the next twenty years until you have a
> > similar task to do again and then you don't remember where you put
> > that tool. If, you remember buying it at all.
>
> I ask a lot of "for dummies" questions here, but I'm quite good about
> organizing my tools. I have three toolboxes: electrical, plumbing and
> general, plus a well organized wall of hand tools and shelf units for
> power tools and supplies.
>
> Should an unexpected need arise for that basin wrench, I can lay my
> hands on it in a minute.

It sounds to me like you don't have enough tools. You have enough
tools when you cannot organize them or remember you even have them.

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 12:53 PM

Swingman wrote:
> On 2/23/2012 9:39 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
>
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> ... and NO,
>>>>>
>>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone
>>>>>> contamination.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>>>
>>
>> No. I gave up using the wider internet over a year ago (I found it
>> interfered with my ability to obey God) and have been the much better
>> for it. I now limit my use to a few selected sites and a few selected
>> avenues of access. Made my life much better.
>
> That's good, Mike. You can't argue with an individual's life
> decisions, particularly when that decision makes them content. The
> fact that you made one is definitely in your favor and should be
> applauded, particularly in this day and age.
>
> As you've no doubt noticed, this place can get pretty contentious,
> argumentative and wild, so it pays each one of us to be careful about
> posting something that could perhaps mislead those looking for answers
> and who don't have the knowledge to judge the, often wildly varying,
> proffered advice.
>
> In effect, that's a good thing, because, if you can stand the
> occasional heat, you quickly realize that there is not much else that
> keeps the advice offered here arguably much better than many other
> forums in the online world.
>
> All in all, good to see you here and participating.

Well... Swingman is old and sometimes has trouble expressing his real inner
feelings. Beside that - he hangs out with Leon and (God forbid...), he even
occassionaly socializes with Robert (nailshooter). That all by itself
should provide adequate insight...

All that said - yeah - what he said...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 11:33 AM

On 2/8/2012 11:30 AM, Leon wrote:
> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
> mortices on each end.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>

BTY I will use $6.72 worth of 5mm Domino's tenons to in these mortices'.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 11:34 AM

On 2/8/2012 11:33 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 11:30 AM, Leon wrote:
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>
> BTY I will use $6.72 worth of 5mm Domino's tenons to in these mortices'.


CRAP Strike that, $3.36 worth of 5mm Domino tenons.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 3:07 PM

On 2/9/2012 10:34 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/9/2012 10:31 AM, Dave wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:45:07 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> You need to by the big fella. It will help with your upcoming catapult
>>>> and trebuchet projects. ;-)
>>> Oh Noooooooo!
>>
>> You know you're going to get one, it's just a matter of when. Think of
>> what you could build with one? It could be a whole new category of
>> building stuff. And considering what Swingman could do with one, you
>> could get whatever you want in trade from him.
>
> Gotta feeling it will probably be me, and we'll swap, as you previously
> indicated.
>
> But with the dude cutting mortises at the rate of 1344/day, it appears
> I'll probably have to schedule far in advance.
>

I have actually taped the switch to be on all the time, I don't want to
wait on it to power up between boards.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 3:01 PM

On 2/9/2012 2:09 PM, Pat Barber wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
>> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
>> on a whim?
>
> Wow.....somebody who finally understands the world of tools.
>
> Our old friend on PBS probably sold more tools accidentally than any
> tool rep in the world today.
>
> Nobody needs a PC 557 but there are millions sitting in shops around the
> world because of one guy and a thing called tool envy.
>
> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>
> If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
> I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>

It would not be interesting for long. :~)

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 10:03 AM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:54:11 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:
>
>> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>> sayand do.
>> =================================================================
>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>
>He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
>why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?

I chose to filter instead. He joined Stormin this morning because
this is not a religious forum, it's the Wreck.

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

tn

tiredofspam

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

16/02/2012 10:13 AM

Yep, same feeling here.
Given time he'll start collecting all sorts of do dads.
Many will be necessary... for what??? who knows.
Many will be looked at.

And some will actually get used.

8>))))))


On 2/16/2012 9:57 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Feb 15, 3:25 pm, Greg Guarino<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2012 7:07 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:44:05 -0500, Greg Guarino<[email protected]>
>>>> My grout float sat after it's rookie job for quite a few years, but
>>>> eventually came out again. The torx screwdrivers are still waiting
>>>> though. I've probably used the Greenlee Naileater 3/4" drill bit and its
>>>> extension maybe three times.
>>
>>> Sounds like typical home owner affliction. Cheaper to do the job
>>> yourself rather than hiring someone, but you need a specific tool to
>>> get it done. That's it for the next twenty years until you have a
>>> similar task to do again and then you don't remember where you put
>>> that tool. If, you remember buying it at all.
>>
>> I ask a lot of "for dummies" questions here, but I'm quite good about
>> organizing my tools. I have three toolboxes: electrical, plumbing and
>> general, plus a well organized wall of hand tools and shelf units for
>> power tools and supplies.
>>
>> Should an unexpected need arise for that basin wrench, I can lay my
>> hands on it in a minute.
>
> It sounds to me like you don't have enough tools. You have enough
> tools when you cannot organize them or remember you even have them.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 7:47 PM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:40:13 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 2/9/2012 8:30 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>
>>> Wellllllll I don't have to justify it but some do and think it is
>>> crazy to spent that kind of money when they can do it with a bench top
>>> mortiser, router, DP and chisel, chisel. etc.
>>>
>>> I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
>>> seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it
>>> will save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better
>>> building techniques.
>>
>> As I replied to Swingman that was a tongue in cheek post... ;~)
>
>I totally understood that, but I knew there would be others that didn't
>hence my reply. ;~) I think you just caught Swingman off guard, he has
>been going at it with a couple of others here. ;-0
>
>And I totally agree, who can really justify the cost of a 70" vs 40" TV?
>
>If you like it, want it, and can afford it, GET IT. :~)

I saw a little, old, blue-haired couple arguing with the Walmart
employee who couldn't fit the 50" TV into their 1970s compact car.
Well, it fit into the back seat, but neither front seat would fold
back upright and neither door would close. I think the 24" long trunk
was too narrow to stick the box in sideways, too, even if they had
some way to support the other 3' which were sticking out.

My grin lasted over half an hour for that one. Two guys walked past
me while I put on the windshield wiper blades and wondered just what I
was grinning about. That shot the grin up another notch.

Peoplewatching is fun.

--
Energy and persistence alter all things.
--Benjamin Franklin

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 7:41 AM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>
>> > ... and NO,
>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>
>Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)

You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)

--
Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are
based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that
I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as
I have received and am still receiving.
-- Albert Einstein

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 5:23 PM

On 2/8/2012 3:40 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 3:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/8/2012 3:24 PM, Swingman wrote:
>>> On 2/8/2012 3:22 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>> LOL... I would say you have taken a major step forward. It would be
>>>> tough to cut a slot into the face of a panel with a router, mid-panel.
>>>
>>> Next question ... did you use your story stick pro's to do that also?
>>>
>>
>> Not at all. The indexing pins on the Domino and,
>>
>> http://www.festoolusa.com/products/domino-joining-system/stops/domino-cross-stop-498590.html
>>
>>
>>
>> on both sides to provide the needed increments.
>
> You said "into the face of a panel ... mid-panel" How did you insure an
> accurate "mid-panel" measurement for opposing panels (say from the
> bottom or top of the panel)?


I was replying that it would be hard to cut a biscuit slot into the face
of a panel with a router bit made for cutting biscuits slots.
You would have to switch from a slot cutting blade bit to a straight bit.
>
> Just trying to determine whether you have really thrown away all your
> tape measures (and where you threw them)? ;)
>


Now, ;~) I have not yet used my tape measure on this job except to
verify/double check my track placement. So far all cuts have been
either on the TS or laid out with the story sticks.



All of the mortices were spaced with the built in indexing pins on both
sides of the Domino and the Domino Cross Stop accessory.

In the case of up and down on a panel I would do the same as I would if
using a biscuit cuter, clamp a strait edge across the panel at the
desired height. So far all of my mortices on these pieces have been on
the top and bottom edges.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 3:22 PM

On 2/8/2012 2:46 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>
> In an *hour*??? I bow to you.
>
> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
> than cut them with a router.)
>

LOL... I would say you have taken a major step forward. It would be
tough to cut a slot into the face of a panel with a router, mid-panel.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 3:30 PM

On 2/8/2012 3:24 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 3:22 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> LOL... I would say you have taken a major step forward. It would be
>> tough to cut a slot into the face of a panel with a router, mid-panel.
>
> Next question ... did you use your story stick pro's to do that also?
>

Not at all. The indexing pins on the Domino and,

http://www.festoolusa.com/products/domino-joining-system/stops/domino-cross-stop-498590.html

on both sides to provide the needed increments.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 3:22 PM

On 2/8/2012 1:34 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 2/08/12 2:07 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/8/12 12:08 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>>> On 2/08/12 12:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>>>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>>>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>>>> mortices on each end.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Then between 11 am and 12 am, you went back and counted them all. :-)
>>>
>>
>> 13 hours to count them? That's some serious ADD. :-p
>>
>>
> Using his fingers and toes he can only count to 19 1/2. :-)
>

Ah.... you remember old "stubby". LOL

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 5:44 PM


"Pat Barber" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
>> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
>> on a whim?
>
> Wow.....somebody who finally understands the world of tools.
>
> Our old friend on PBS probably sold more tools accidentally than any
> tool rep in the world today.
>
> Nobody needs a PC 557 but there are millions sitting in shops around the
> world because of one guy and a thing called tool envy.
>
> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".

I'm not much into magic tools but I will drop money on good ones... even if
I don't have an immediate need for the tool. All the crazy gizmos sold for
things like handcut dovetails just baffles me... I think my father nailed it
years ago when he said "people try to buy their skill with their next tool
purchase." He had served an apprenticeship as a tool and die maker early in
his career and definitely had an eye for mechanical things and for how
people worked. "You know they are good if they make it look easy and they
turn out good work." Self confidence in how they approach the job goes a
long ways. Gizmo junkies don't necessarily perform better and may not be
able to perform at all because they don't understand the task or the
gizmo... I've witnessed quite a number of instances where this was true.

I recall my son describing woodworking as magic as rough cut wood was
transformed into beautiful objects. Using L-N saws and planes helped him
succeed as that stuff works well, but it was his developing skill that got
the job done. He and his brother understand the processes better with each
new project... that's what really matters.

John

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 6:48 AM

On 2/8/2012 7:29 PM, Jim Weisgram wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:30:26 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> I hope this doesn't ruin your day; it is the newer bigger better
> Domino. But not available yet.
>
> http://woodworkersjournal.com/Ezine/Articles/Domino_XL_Sometimes_Bigger_is_just_Better_8956.aspx

I know about it and just got my rejection letter from Festool last week,
then needed a few guiney pigs to try one out. I actually believe I am
going to pass on this one, I think it is going to be better suited for
larger than furniture projects. Now if I were into door building,
bridge building, timber frame building, etc I would probably jump all
over it. ;~)

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 6:44 AM

On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> SNIP
> > ... and NO,
>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>
>
> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
> Not a cure all of course.
> But silicon contamination is not the end of all either. If it was no one
> better polish furniture with pledge.

The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project is
finished and away from the shop problem.

Basically you don't use Pledge before applying the finish..

MJ

Michael Joel

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 11:02 AM

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>
>>>Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> > ... and NO,
>>>
>>>>_only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>
>>Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>
>
> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>
> --
> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are
> based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that
> I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as
> I have received and am still receiving.
> -- Albert Einstein

Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
releasing their true character.

Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
sayand do.

Mike

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:37 AM


"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/9/2012 10:03 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> Could be... I'm dismayed at how badly things deteriorate here at
>> times... Why subject yourself to it...? I do this for fun, not to
>> increase the stress level of my life. As a side bonus, useful answers
>> and opinions can be found here at times! ;~)
>
> Except that tweaking the odd asshats nose on occasion can actually relieve
> stress ... particularly those who have a history of posting nothing
> whatsoever related to woodworking.

I can see that... my approach is to ignore them and move on. This as feeding
the trolls just seems to make them grow...

John

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 9:35 AM


"Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:27:28 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>> I know I haven't, unless I die tomorrow, or shortly there-after.
>
> My last dumb ass purchase was the Bridge City Tools Jointmaker. That
> particular purchase cost me close to $1800. When everything was said
> and done, I ended up selling it basically unused for more than a 33%
> loss.
>
> Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent precise tool. Only problem with
> it was that it's limited to a maximum of about 6" cuts. I didn't
> consider that limitation when buying it mostly because I got caught up
> with the glitz of the advertising videos.

I could see that tool being useful for making jewelry boxes and other
relatively small items, and casing... an alternative to a bench hook and
shooting board or miter box. Maybe the right project just hadn't come along
yet!

> So, even though I admit to having bought the occasional expensive,
> unnecessary tool, I won't admit to that with my purchase of any
> Festool products ~ not yet anyway. :)

I've pondered this subject for the past day or so and it seems that gifts
are the biggest issue. Others got sucked into the gizmo advertising and
thought I'd like it... One purchase I recall that I ended up throwing away
was an inside corner drywall tool. I didn't buy a taper ground Hyde tool to
replace the worn out one--a bead was left in the very corner as it wore
through. This purchase happened as I couldn't find a new Hyde tool as they
were out of stock at the local stores. I grabbed some other, cheaper, brand
at an Ace Hardware... terrible piece of crap that went in the can. It didn't
flex... RE power and stationary tools, a Dremel that burst into flames while
using it as a drywall cut out tool comes to mind but then I was taxing it
pretty badly. I upgraded my table saw, jointer and dust collector as I under
bought initially... wasn't sure I was really going to use the stuff!

Over the years I think I've learned my lesson about buying serviceable well
designed tools and other items but sometimes I go against my better judgment
as the result of ill founded frugality. Case in point was the tires on my
son and my touring bicycles. Anyone who followed our on-line journal of
last summer's trip from CO to WA will know that tire and tube problems
haunted us. The "cheapskate" factor kept me from taking the factory supplied
tires off and installing Schwalbe tires... It seemed tough to justify taking
new tires and tubes off (maybe $150 worth) off and dropping $320 or so for
two pair of tires and another $20-30 for better tubes. We paid for that
cheapness over and over again through myriad flats and as 3 of the 4 tires
fell apart--didn't last long enough to wear out--and 5 of the 6 tubes we had
failed at the stem. We struggled until Schwalbes could be found along the
way... Lander, CO for the first one and then Hamilton, MT. In hind sight
those Schwalbe tires were a trivial expense compared to the total costs...
and they rode a lot better and didn't pick up stone chips like the factory
tires. As I'm writing this I'm kicking myself. ;~)
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/RipVanWinkle

John



MJ

Michael Joel

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

24/02/2012 10:17 AM

parksfamily2 ------ ---- --- gmail ----- ----- com wrote:

That of course was my post... My settings did not do as I thought.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:05 PM

On 2/23/2012 9:39 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 2/23/2012 7:56 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Leon wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>>>> SNIP
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>>
>>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone
>>>>>> contamination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>>> Not a cure all of course.
>>>>> But silicon contamination is not the end of all either. If it was
>>>>> no one
>>>>> better polish furniture with pledge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project
>>>> is finished and away from the shop problem.
>>>>
>>>> Basically you don't use Pledge before applying the finish..
>>>
>>>
>>> Not for a refinisher.
>>
>>
>> You totally have me confused. Could you please explain the process, in
>> order, that a "refinisher" uses Pledge on a piece before the
>> varnish/paint goes on?
>
> I guess I should not have quoted both your sentences.
> I was referring to -
>
>>>>> The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project
>>>>> is finished and away from the shop problem.
>
> Refinishers have to strip the old finish, many times this finish is
> cracked and deteriated, so any polishes will most likely have reached
> the wood. A refinisher doesn't have control over the starting state of
> what they are working on.

I highly suspect that most contaminates that will harm a new finish have
long been gone. If the surface is deteriorated to the point of
cracking it is likely there is nothing left.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

21/02/2012 8:29 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:07:26 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
> >>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
> >>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
> >>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
> >
> > OK, I'm in:
> >
> > Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
> >
> > Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
> > templates. Didn't like the results.
>
> Mine was the Ryobi detail sander AKA hand buzzer.

Porter Cable detail sander. While Porter Cable makes some excellent
tools that's not one of them. On the other hand the rubber profile
thingies that came with it are occasionally convenient for hand-sanding.
On the gripping hand I could have gotten the rubber profile thingies for
15 bucks from Lee Valley.

JC

"J. Clarke"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

24/02/2012 1:43 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"parksfamily2 ------ ---- --- gmail ----- ----- com" says...
>
> CW wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Dave" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
> >> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
> >> sayand do.
> >> =================================================================
> >> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
> >
> >
> > Obviously, his finding of God shows cretins like you to be the low
> > class person you apparently are.
> > ====================================================================
> > Just because I have a firm grip on reality. No, I do not believe in
> > mythical beings.
>
> Sometimes people think I am trying to argue when I am not. I do believe
> though that when confronted with lies or sin, if the person who knowns
> better doesn't speak up - they can become guilty as well (of course if
> you've tried and they just refuse then it is no use in keep dragging it
> out).
>
> I may get me on a few more ignore lists :)
> I do not want to commandeer the thread, but this is where I got asked.
>
> So... (remember you asked me)
> No to the bunny (pagan) - satan - yes of course.
>
> >> No, I do not believe in
> >> mythical beings.
>
> I am afraid you do. Don't you believe in the scientific theories, that
> get disproved all the time?

Don't know about him but most people who understand science believe in
the method and take the results only to the extent that they have been
validated against reality.

> The scientist/doctors have been elevated by
> society to deity.

That particular aberration is called "scientism" and it is not part of
science or the scientific method.

> Yet they are constantly proven wrong.

The whole point of science is that you test your models against reality
and reject the ones that do not pass the tests.

> Example: One of
> Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
> being considered to be possibly invalid.

That's relativity and any physicist will tell you that it's generally
accepted among physicists that relativity is a subset of a larger model
that we don't understand yet--something called "string theory" is an
attempt to arrive at that larger model.

> Something that for decades was
> accepted.

Accepted at working better than any other model anybody has been able to
come up with. Not accepted as absolute and unalterable truth.

> Science can never prove something - their best hope is that
> something is not disproved.... yet. It is just the way it works, and
> many honest scientists will admit it.

For a scientific hypothesis to be worth considering it must make
predictions which can be tested. This is not "their best hope", it is
the way the system works. And every scientist longs to disprove one of
the long established models, because if that happens then science
progresses.

> So that is faith

What is "faith"? Science doesn't work on "faith" in anything other than
the notion that the universe is understandable.

> - and anything that is faith is religion. Religion is
> nothing more than something you believe so strongly that you change your
> life to accommodate it (true of not).

No, religion is a system of belief in which one accepts non-falsifiable
notions on authority.

> We all decide what we will believe - God gave us that right. Doesn't
> make us right. We can choose to believe and obey God or go on our own
> ideas. Choice doesn't mean we get to avoid the results of our choices -
> but we still are allowed the choices.

The difference is that a scientist bases his belief on evidence, the
religious person bases it on authority.

> Truth is right there in His Word, no need to go to some biblical
scholar
> (especially since most are not in the business of teaching His Word as
> much as they are in Interpreting His Word so it is *more acceptable* -
> they have that right as well - again can't avoid the results of choices
> but they are given the right to choose). It is there so no one will be
> able to say they didn't know. No interpretations needed - just what it
> says - without trying to make it fit our own desires to make it say what
> we would prefer.
>
> You can accept or not - I don't want to force anyone - can't. I also
> have no intention of dragging this conversation on if it is just to
> disparage and call names - I care for serious talks about the subject
> when they are wanted.

If everything in "His Word" (by which I assume you mean the Bible) is
"truth" then explain 1 Kings 7:23, which states "And he made a molten
sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about,
and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass
it round about." According to that pi is exactly 3. And we know that
it isn't. And if the Bible contains one statement that is demonstrably
untrue then one cannot accept the rest of it without examination.
Certainly there may be truths in it, but it clearly does not accurately
describe the material world.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:20 PM

On 2/23/2012 12:46 PM, CW wrote:
>
>
> "basilisk" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:
>
>> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>>
>>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone
>>>>>> contamination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>>
>>>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
>>> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the
>>> labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in
>>> order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
>>> receiving. -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
>> life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
>> releasing their true character.
>>
>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>> sayand do.
>> =================================================================
>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>
> He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
> why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?
> =====================================================================
>
> The belief in a god is proof that the human race has not matured yet. Do
> what you want but I don't want to here about it. In any case, I asked a
> legitimate question. Belief in any of the three mentioned entities makes
> equal sense.

I would certainly not say that belief in God is proof that the human
race has not matured yet so much as the human race has not totally gone
down the tubes yet.

More and more God is ridiculed and look at the type that do that.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:16 PM

On 2/23/2012 10:02 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>
>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>
>>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>
>>
>> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
>> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>>
>> --
>> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on
>> the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself
>> in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
>> receiving. -- Albert Einstein
>
> Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
> life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
> releasing their true character.
>
> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
> sayand do.
>
> Mike

There you go! Some people go a life time and never "get it". Although
I do not fear God. I know that every thing that happens does so for a
reason and is perfectly orchestrated. Nothing is by chance. I am
perfectly comfortable with that.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 12:09 PM

On 2/23/2012 11:53 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:

> Well... Swingman is old and sometimes has trouble expressing his real inner
> feelings.

Old??

"has trouble expressing his real inner feelings"??

Not observably, Bubba!

:)

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"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 11:39 PM


"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

> I think you need to think a bit more about what you said and why you even
> took exception to someone's "justification", especially when he was pretty
> damn specific about what that was?

First off... it was tongue in cheek. ;~) Point was buy it... enjoy it... if
it turns out that you use it a lot and it's a quality tool you'll forget
what you paid for it. If you use it and it's junk you'll never forget what
you paid. If you don't use it and stumble across it years later you may not
even remember buying it...

> Every tool purchase, at a price level that is determined by the user and
> according to his need, has a "justification" for purchase.

Yes, price is an issue. Everyone has a price point/budget that comes into
play when making purchases. In my woodworking club there are guys who drop
many thousands without blinking an eye and there are guys who agonize over
seemingly trival and relatively inexpensive items. Most fall somewhere in
between.

> Except for the bargain table at the Borg, and maybe even then, I would
> love to hear your explanation for when that is not always the case?

Over time I've had occasion to purchase tools, including stationary tools,
that were of no clear use to me at the time but they struck my fancy. My
1905 Crescent 36" bandsaw is the largest such purchase... stands about 8
feet tall! To me it is just way cool! I bought it because I liked the idea
of having a 36" bandsaw not because I needed it--though I can think of
things I could do with it that would be difficult or impossible on my 18"
saw. One of my female friends, as a way of busting my chops, refers to it as
my "big tool." Maybe that was the real justification. ;~)

"It's cheap" led me to buy a LOT of stuff in January 2004 when Woodworker's
Warehouse went out of business. The last couple days things were selling for
a few pennies on the dollar, e.g., I think I paid $1 for a table saw side
table that I set up as an out feed table and a buck a piece for things like
shaper rub bearings. Some of that stuff is still brand new in the wrapper
all these years later. While rearranging the drawer for my shaper stuff this
evening, to make room for three new cutters, I came across a large ogee
cutter that I forgot I had from the WW purchases. It's so big that 5/4 or
6/4 would be needed to see the whole profile. It's brand new in the box and
here I am 8 years later and I have a project coming up where I might be able
to use it... good thing I was rearranging the drawer or I might have
purchased another one and paid real money for it! ;~)

Perceived need drives some purchases... existing tools could serve. Variety
makes things more interesting... biscuits, pocket screws, mortise and tenon,
nails... all could be used but corrugated fasteners and staples could work
took. Gotta have them all. ;~)

John













Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 9:20 AM

On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Swingman wrote:

> > ... and NO,
>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>
>
> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.

Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)

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Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 3:40 PM

On 2/8/2012 3:30 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 3:24 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/8/2012 3:22 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> LOL... I would say you have taken a major step forward. It would be
>>> tough to cut a slot into the face of a panel with a router, mid-panel.
>>
>> Next question ... did you use your story stick pro's to do that also?
>>
>
> Not at all. The indexing pins on the Domino and,
>
> http://www.festoolusa.com/products/domino-joining-system/stops/domino-cross-stop-498590.html
>
>
> on both sides to provide the needed increments.

You said "into the face of a panel ... mid-panel" How did you insure an
accurate "mid-panel" measurement for opposing panels (say from the
bottom or top of the panel)?

Just trying to determine whether you have really thrown away all your
tape measures (and where you threw them)? ;)

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Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 6:43 AM

On 2/8/2012 6:53 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:30:26 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>
> 168 mortises eh? Considering the amount of messages you've posted and
> time you've been online lately, I'm wondering how you found the time
> to cut those mortises?
>
> Perhaps you finally got to Dominoing again because you managed to get
> it back after loaning it to Swingman? You gotta watch out for that
> guy. He's got a real fixation with your Domino.

Well I used the Domino. ;~) That afforded me more time on there. LOL

pg

"parksfamily2 ------ ---- --- gmail ----- ----- com" <"parksfamily2 ------ ---- --- gmail ----- ----- com">

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

24/02/2012 10:10 AM

CW wrote:

>
>
> "Dave" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>> sayand do.
>> =================================================================
>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>
>
> Obviously, his finding of God shows cretins like you to be the low
> class person you apparently are.
> ====================================================================
> Just because I have a firm grip on reality. No, I do not believe in
> mythical beings.

Sometimes people think I am trying to argue when I am not. I do believe
though that when confronted with lies or sin, if the person who knowns
better doesn't speak up - they can become guilty as well (of course if
you've tried and they just refuse then it is no use in keep dragging it
out).

I may get me on a few more ignore lists :)
I do not want to commandeer the thread, but this is where I got asked.

So... (remember you asked me)
No to the bunny (pagan) - satan - yes of course.

>> No, I do not believe in
>> mythical beings.

I am afraid you do. Don't you believe in the scientific theories, that
get disproved all the time? The scientist/doctors have been elevated by
society to deity. Yet they are constantly proven wrong. Example: One of
Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
being considered to be possibly invalid. Something that for decades was
accepted. Science can never prove something - their best hope is that
something is not disproved.... yet. It is just the way it works, and
many honest scientists will admit it.

So that is faith - and anything that is faith is religion. Religion is
nothing more than something you believe so strongly that you change your
life to accommodate it (true of not).

We all decide what we will believe - God gave us that right. Doesn't
make us right. We can choose to believe and obey God or go on our own
ideas. Choice doesn't mean we get to avoid the results of our choices -
but we still are allowed the choices.

Truth is right there in His Word, no need to go to some biblical scholar
(especially since most are not in the business of teaching His Word as
much as they are in Interpreting His Word so it is *more acceptable* -
they have that right as well - again can't avoid the results of choices
but they are given the right to choose). It is there so no one will be
able to say they didn't know. No interpretations needed - just what it
says - without trying to make it fit our own desires to make it say what
we would prefer.

You can accept or not - I don't want to force anyone - can't. I also
have no intention of dragging this conversation on if it is just to
disparage and call names - I care for serious talks about the subject
when they are wanted.

Mike

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 3:24 PM

On 2/8/2012 3:22 PM, Leon wrote:

> LOL... I would say you have taken a major step forward. It would be
> tough to cut a slot into the face of a panel with a router, mid-panel.

Next question ... did you use your story stick pro's to do that also?

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Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:05 AM

On 2/9/2012 10:37 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

> I can see that... my approach is to ignore them and move on. This as
> feeding the trolls just seems to make them grow...

Your approach makes infinitely more sense, and I often follow that ideal
approach myself, when politics and climate are concerned ... it's just
that, sometimes, the devil makes you do it! ;)

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Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 10:23 AM

On 2/9/2012 9:40 AM, Leon wrote:

> I totally understood that, but I knew there would be others that didn't
> hence my reply. ;~) I think you just caught Swingman off guard, he has
> been going at it with a couple of others here. ;-0

Not at all, and nothing to do with it ... it was a legitimate query
regarding an unusual, to me, take on purchasing tools.

(But I am still trying to figure out what some of us "need more
practice" at?)

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"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

16/02/2012 10:12 AM


<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Feb 15, 3:25 pm, Greg Guarino <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2012 7:07 PM, Dave wrote:

>> Should an unexpected need arise for that basin wrench, I can lay my
> >hands on it in a minute.

>It sounds to me like you don't have enough tools. You have enough
>tools when you cannot organize them or remember you even have them.

OR... there are no kids, or fathers, or wives, in the house that use
tools...

John

nn

notImpressed

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 3:06 AM

Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
> mortices on each end.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>

Looked thru some/most of your pics. Nice stuff.

Hn

Han

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 2:19 PM

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>(Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>>>than cut them with a router.)
>>
>>Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>>
>>However it needs work; ...
>
> Follow-up. Turns out it had a broken part. An irreplacable broken
> part.
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power
> -tool-where/
>
> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.

FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want to
get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for this?

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Han

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 2:23 PM

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>>>> than cut them with a router.)
>>>
>>> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>>>
>>> However it needs work; ...
>>
>> Follow-up. Turns out it had a broken part. An irreplacable broken
>> part.
>>
>> Here's what I did:
>>
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-powe
>> r-tool-where/
>>
>> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.
>
>
> That is seriously cool! Just out of curiosity - what did it cost you
> to get that part "printed" out and shipped?

Wow indeed, really cool!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 4:28 PM

Bill <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
>> [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>>>>> than cut them with a router.)
>>>>
>>>> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>>>>
>>>> However it needs work; ...
>>>
>>> Follow-up. Turns out it had a broken part. An irreplacable broken
>>> part.
>>>
>>> Here's what I did:
>>>
>>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-pow
>>> er -tool-where/
>>>
>>> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.
>>
>> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want
>> to get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
>> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for
>> this?
>>
>
> Has it been stored inside or outside for the last 9 years?

It is in fine condition. I don't store tools outside.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 9:50 PM

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:50a80217$0$38593
[email protected]:

>
> "Han" wrote:
>
>
>> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want
>> to
>> get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
>> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for
>> this?
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> How does $100 + freight sound?
>
> Lew

That sounds fine by me. Contact by email (opahan and yahoo as domain),
if this is for yourself, or if anyone else is interested.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

18/11/2012 12:12 PM

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in news:50a8459d$0$1394
[email protected]:

> "Han" wrote:
>
>> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want
>> to
>> get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
>> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for
>> this?
> ---------------------------------------------
> "Lew Hodgett" wrote:
>
>> How does $100 + freight sound?
> -------------------------------------------------
> "Han" wrote:
>
>> That sounds fine by me. Contact by email (opahan and yahoo as
>> domain),
>> if this is for yourself, or if anyone else is interested.
> --------------------------------------------
> Read and understand what I posted.
>
> Lew

I replied the way I did because it wasn't clear to me whether you were
personally interested or not. If I had to guess, you were just giving an
opinion as to what the value might be. But I have misunderstood before.
Better to be clear and unambiguous. No value judgements.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

KM

"Kerry Montgomery"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 7:11 PM


"Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>
> OK, I'm in:
>
> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>
> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
> templates. Didn't like the results.
>
>
>>If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>>I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>
> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.
>
> --
> -Ed Falk, [email protected]
> http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

I hope I haven't made my last dumb ass purchase yet, but my most recent one
was a Stanley utility knife. Nothing wrong with it, but the length of time
it took me to figure out how to install the blade made me feel like a dumb
ass.
Kerry

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 6:51 AM

On 2/9/2012 9:07 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Pat Barber<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>
>> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>
> OK, I'm in:
>
> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>
> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
> templates. Didn't like the results.
>
>
>> If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>> I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>
> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.
>

Bendable. flexible drill extension, and long ago the PC detail sander.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 8:21 PM

On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
> on a whim? So what if it only gets used occasionally if it makes us
> happy? I've got some tools that don't get used often but when I need
> them I NEED them... and when I need them I say to myself "I'm glad I
> bought this."

Don't look now, but you just proved that you, yourself, were
"justifying" the purchase with a "need", no matter how occasionally that
need arose. :)

> I think you guys need more practice if you are locked into this
> "justify" mind set... ;~)

I think you need to think a bit more about what you said and why you
even took exception to someone's "justification", especially when he was
pretty damn specific about what that was?

Every tool purchase, at a price level that is determined by the user and
according to his need, has a "justification" for purchase.

Except for the bargain table at the Borg, and maybe even then, I would
love to hear your explanation for when that is not always the case?

--
www.eWoodShop.com
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
http://gplus.to/eWoodShop

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 1:07 PM

On 2/8/2012 11:57 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Leon, I don't know why you did that, but I never thought of the
> Festool as a recreational machine.
>
> Although $5 - $6 is pretty cheap for an hour's entertainment, wouldn't
> it be easier to just sit in your garage and smoke a cigar and think
> about things?
>
> I know years ago when I got my PC biscuit machine I used to arrange
> play dates with it. I slotted everything that needed it and then
> some. But now as B.B. says 'the thrill is gone".
>
> Seriously, you up to something?
>
> Robert

You remember my pantry? I am building 3 book cases, upper and lower
units on each with the same construction detail.
The lower cabinet unit will be 16" deep x 30.75" tall by 40" wide,
The upper cabinet unit will be 12" deep x 49" tall by 40" wide.
All in white oak with clear varnish, no two tone, and plain glass.

So altogether 24" wider than my pantry and about 16" shorter.

NO DRAWERS!, just doors with arched tops in the inner sections

The Domino is not as light weight as most biscuit cutters that I have
used, it starts getting kinda heavy at about 100 mortices. ;~) But
imagine doing this with a router, or bench top mortiser. Th only other
way I would want to do this is with a multirouter.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 1:10 PM

On 2/8/2012 12:08 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 2/08/12 12:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
> Then between 11 am and 12 am, you went back and counted them all. :-)
>

Two Times! LOL

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 1:08 PM

On 2/8/2012 11:38 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 11:30 AM, Leon wrote:
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> Like they say a picture is worth a thousand words (or 1,236,469 words on
> the wRec).
>
> All I have to say is ... Wow!
>

Well it took me that many words to count the slots and tenons. ;~)

How is the desk coming along?

c

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:16 PM

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:37:48 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>>
>> OK, I'm in:
>>
>> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>>
>> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
>> templates. Didn't like the results.
>>
>>
>>>If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>>>I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>>
>> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.
>
>...and make sure you understate the cost of the stuff to your family so they
>under price it at the estate sale.
>
>John
>
No danger there if he has a wife. If she knows even half the cost of
most of the stuff and still lets him buy it she's a REAL keeper!!!

Cc

"CW"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 8:54 AM



"Michael Joel" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>
>>>Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> > ... and NO,
>>>
>>>>_only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>
>>>
>>>I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>
>>Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>
>
> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>
> --
> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the
> labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in
> order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
> receiving. -- Albert Einstein

Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
releasing their true character.

Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
sayand do.
=================================================================
You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 7:03 PM

Edward A. Falk wrote:

>
> Any suggestions? I guess I could scrounge up some silicone spray
> somewhere in the house, but I thought I'd ask other people's opinions.

First rule - No silicone around wood! At least if you ever hope to apply a
finish to that wood.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:31 AM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:45:07 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> You need to by the big fella. It will help with your upcoming catapult
>> and trebuchet projects. ;-)
> Oh Noooooooo!

You know you're going to get one, it's just a matter of when. Think of
what you could build with one? It could be a whole new category of
building stuff. And considering what Swingman could do with one, you
could get whatever you want in trade from him.

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 7:58 PM

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:19:09 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:

>"Pat Barber" wrote ...
>> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
>>> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
>>> on a whim?
>>
>> Wow.....somebody who finally understands the world of tools.
>>
>> Our old friend on PBS probably sold more tools accidentally than any
>> tool rep in the world today.
>>
>
>Nahm?? Are we talking about Nahm?? What was funny about NYW was that PBS
>insisted that all logos be covered or removed from the tools. Apparently it
>would have been too commercial. And you could go to any tool store or forum
>on the net and all the tool brands and models would be instantly
>communicated. He did a hell of a job selling tools for a "non commercial"
>network/program.

Nah, he was talking about Roy Underhill. People would watch him work
up a sweat, huff and puff, and stick himself with sharp tools, then
they'd run out of the house and drive down to Woodcraft to buy
something very -electric-! =:0

>> Nobody needs a PC 557 but there are millions sitting in shops around the
>> world because of one guy and a thing called tool envy.
>
>
>I wonder how many routers were sold as a result of Norm opening that drawer
>on his shop cabinet to reveal that he had more routers than fingers or toes.

Keeping up with the Nahmses probably accounted for thousands of
bankruptcies every year, too.


>> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".

I regret very few tool purchases. I'm a collector, but not in the
normal way. I don't put them in fancy display cases. I use 'em.


>On the other hand, I bought a bunch of tools that were put to use five
>minutes after I got them home. And I have bought tools that lasted over
>twenty years. Heck, my old wrenches and general tools are over 40 years
>old. Most of what I bought was put to use. Although, sometimes I buy some
>kinda exotic wrench because I had a couple situations where I really needed
>it. And the situation hasn't arisen yet to use them. But If I need it, I
>know where to find them!

I have a drawer of those, too.


>Reminds me of that old depressing joke. How can you tell that you really,
>really need a tool? When you buy it twice. That refers to brain farts
>where you have a tool and forget about it. You go out and buy a new one and
>discover that you already bought one years ago and forgot about it. I have
>done that a couple of times.

<blushing deeply> I'm glad I've never done that.


>> If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>> I want my estate sale to be interesting.

Oh, no. That green clashes with simply everything!


>Like the bumper sticker says, "I am spending my kid's inheritance".

Neener: I don't have a wife to slow me down nor kids to rip off.

--
Energy and persistence alter all things.
--Benjamin Franklin

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 5:15 AM

On 10 Feb 2012 05:13:13 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I saw a little, old, blue-haired couple arguing with the Walmart
>> employee who couldn't fit the 50" TV into their 1970s compact car.
>> Well, it fit into the back seat, but neither front seat would fold
>> back upright and neither door would close. I think the 24" long trunk
>> was too narrow to stick the box in sideways, too, even if they had
>> some way to support the other 3' which were sticking out.
>>
>> My grin lasted over half an hour for that one. Two guys walked past
>> me while I put on the windshield wiper blades and wondered just what I
>> was grinning about. That shot the grin up another notch.
>>
>> Peoplewatching is fun.
>
>I bought a piece of plywood that did that... So I took it back in to the
>store and asked them to cut it. It fit in the car just fine then. I bet
>that would have worked for the TV!

You betcha! Then again, it probably would have fit in the mini cah if
they'd taken it out of the box. There's a lot of foam in those boxes.

--
Energy and persistence alter all things.
--Benjamin Franklin

rr

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 2:47 PM

On Feb 9, 2:09=A0pm, Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> Our old friend on PBS probably sold more tools accidentally than any
> tool rep in the world today.
>
> Nobody needs a PC 557 but there are millions sitting in shops around the
> world because of one guy and a thing called tool envy.
>
> If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
> tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
> interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>

Tool envy? I don't know if that is the right word. I suppose there
are nut cases who buy tools just to say they have that tool. But I
think most people acquire tools because of what they can make with
that tool. Owning a tool just to have the tool does not make sense to
me. Tools as status symbols like houses and cars? But owning a tool
because it will allow you to make something, dream about making
something, that makes plenty of sense. Irregardless of whether you
actually make anything with the tool. I'll admit to having tools with
far more potential than I have realized.

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 10:37 PM


"Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>>
>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>
> OK, I'm in:
>
> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>
> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
> templates. Didn't like the results.
>
>
>>If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>>I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>
> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.

...and make sure you understate the cost of the stuff to your family so they
under price it at the estate sale.

John

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 5:30 PM

On 2/8/2012 5:23 PM, Leon wrote:

To add to that a bit with the cross stop accessory you can make mortices
one after the other evenly spaced indefinitely. The indexing pins on
both the Domino and the cross stop accessory are at the same height as
the mortise. You cut a mortise, slide the Domino down until the
indexing pin engages that mortice and cut again and so on.

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 7:53 PM

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:30:26 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.

168 mortises eh? Considering the amount of messages you've posted and
time you've been online lately, I'm wondering how you found the time
to cut those mortises?

Perhaps you finally got to Dominoing again because you managed to get
it back after loaning it to Swingman? You gotta watch out for that
guy. He's got a real fixation with your Domino.

c

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:27 PM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:16:54 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 22:37:48 -0500, "John Grossbohlin"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>>>
>>> OK, I'm in:
>>>
>>> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>>>
>>> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
>>> templates. Didn't like the results.
>>>
>>>
>>>>If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>>>>I want my estate sale to be interesting.
>>>
>>> I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.
>>
>>...and make sure you understate the cost of the stuff to your family so they
>>under price it at the estate sale.
>>
>>John
>>
> No danger there if he has a wife. If she knows even half the cost of
>most of the stuff and still lets him buy it she's a REAL keeper!!!
And if a guy is still breathing it's a slim chance indeed that he
has made his LAST dumb-ass purchace, if he's really honest about it.

I know I haven't, unless I die tomorrow, or shortly there-after.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 8:56 AM

On 2/23/2012 7:56 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>> SNIP
>>>
>>> > ... and NO,
>>>
>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>> Not a cure all of course.
>>> But silicon contamination is not the end of all either. If it was no one
>>> better polish furniture with pledge.
>>
>>
>> The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project
>> is finished and away from the shop problem.
>>
>> Basically you don't use Pledge before applying the finish..
>
> Not for a refinisher.

You totally have me confused. Could you please explain the process, in
order, that a "refinisher" uses Pledge on a piece before the
varnish/paint goes on?

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 6:48 AM

On 2/9/2012 10:46 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:27:28 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>> I know I haven't, unless I die tomorrow, or shortly there-after.
>
> My last dumb ass purchase was the Bridge City Tools Jointmaker. That
> particular purchase cost me close to $1800. When everything was said
> and done, I ended up selling it basically unused for more than a 33%
> loss.
>
> Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent precise tool. Only problem with
> it was that it's limited to a maximum of about 6" cuts. I didn't
> consider that limitation when buying it mostly because I got caught up
> with the glitz of the advertising videos.
>
> So, even though I admit to having bought the occasional expensive,
> unnecessary tool, I won't admit to that with my purchase of any
> Festool products ~ not yet anyway. :)

LOL...... Those this are pretty cool.... have you seen the latest cross
cut accessory for it?

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

11/02/2012 8:05 AM

On 2/10/2012 2:41 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 02/10/2012 01:04 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Edward A. Falk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2.Tape measures (thousands)
>>>
>>> Check. But you can never have too many of those. If there
>>> isn't one within arm's reach, you don't have enough.
>>>
>> Yep, I hear that. I have three tape measures sitting beside me when I
>> type this. In my youth, I kept losing my tape measure. So I bought
>> another. I kept losing them. I bought another. A little better, but
>> still spent lots of time trying to locate that damned tape measure. then
>> one day I was at a surplus yard and they were closing out a line of tape
>> measures that went out of business. They came in bright colors, yellow,
>> orange, green. They were only a buck or two each. I bought the whole
>> box. I have never failed to find a tape measure since. And I bought some
>> more when I needed something bigger or better for a specific job.
>>
>> Some folks think I have a tape measure fetish. I have them in the
>> kitchen, living room, office, my wife's sewing room and bedrooms. I have
>> a tape measure and a set of calipers in all the vehicles. And, of
>> course, a number of them in the shop.
>>
>>
>>
> You have a tape measure in the bedroom?
>
> Never mind...
>
>


Story stick tape measure.

http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=65359&cat=1,43513

With markings like,

1. Are you kidding?
2. Do you want something?
3. You are not there yet.
4. Too soon?
5, Your the man!
6. Master!

LOL

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 6:37 AM

On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168
>> mortices, precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers
>> of mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>
> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
> on a whim? So what if it only gets used occasionally if it makes us
> happy? I've got some tools that don't get used often but when I need
> them I NEED them... and when I need them I say to myself "I'm glad I
> bought this."
>
> I think you guys need more practice if you are locked into this
> "justify" mind set... ;~)
>
> John
>
>

Wellllllll I don't have to justify it but some do and think it is crazy
to spent that kind of money when they can do it with a bench top
mortiser, router, DP and chisel, chisel. etc.

I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it
will save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better
building techniques.

JG

"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 9:30 AM


"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>
>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...

>
> Wellllllll I don't have to justify it but some do and think it is crazy to
> spent that kind of money when they can do it with a bench top mortiser,
> router, DP and chisel, chisel. etc.
>
> I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
> seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it will
> save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better building
> techniques.

As I replied to Swingman that was a tongue in cheek post... ;~)

I know a couple guys who own Dominos. One has a commercial shop and a rack
full of Festool tools... he makes money with his tools and as you implicitly
point out time is money--that is all the justification needed when you are
trying to put food in your mouth! That guy does first class work and is also
the only guy I know personally, besides myself, who has a 36" bandsaw. It's
always interesting to see the jigs and fixtures he creates to solve complex
machining problems... a good source for ideas and inspiration.

The other guy I know is retired and has the discretionary funds to buy one.
He had one project, a large dining room set, where he opted to use the
Domino and it worked out well for him. I think his choice was mostly based
on the fact that he could and that it relieved him of a lot of tedious
mortise and tenon work--not a job for biscuits.

Me personally. I don't have one at this time but I wouldn't rule it out in
the future if I concluded that it was the best tool for the job based on
performance and speed. Shop time is the thing I lack most. The time thing is
what prompted me recently to get a corrugated fastener so I could tackle a
sizeable project for my son's Boy Scout Troop and to a lesser degree a
future project. It also prompted me to order some shaper cutters for another
project I'm doing for a friend. Without the cutters the job would have
required a lot of set up changes and passes on the table saw and I'd have
ended up with a less robust product. I'm not sure I'll use two of the three
cutters again but for $70 they more than justified themselves for this
project. The only thing that gives me time on the wreck is that fact that it
takes time for automated jobs and programs to run that otherwise tie up my
computer... I am proficient at time slicing during the day!

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 1:08 PM

On 2/08/12 12:30 PM, Leon wrote:
> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
> mortices on each end.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
Then between 11 am and 12 am, you went back and counted them all. :-)

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 1:07 PM

On 2/8/12 12:08 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
> On 2/08/12 12:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
> Then between 11 am and 12 am, you went back and counted them all. :-)
>

13 hours to count them? That's some serious ADD. :-p


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Ff

FrozenNorth

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 2:34 PM

On 2/08/12 2:07 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/8/12 12:08 PM, FrozenNorth wrote:
>> On 2/08/12 12:30 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>>> mortices on each end.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>>
>>>
>> Then between 11 am and 12 am, you went back and counted them all. :-)
>>
>
> 13 hours to count them? That's some serious ADD. :-p
>
>
Using his fingers and toes he can only count to 19 1/2. :-)

--
Froz...


The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

KN

Keith Nuttle

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 2:43 PM

On 2/8/2012 12:38 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/8/2012 11:30 AM, Leon wrote:
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> Like they say a picture is worth a thousand words (or 1,236,469 words on
> the wRec).
>
> All I have to say is ... Wow!
>
Why? Or What for?

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 8:46 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>mortices on each end.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>

In an *hour*??? I bow to you.

(Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
than cut them with a router.)

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Du

Dave

in reply to [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) on 08/02/2012 8:46 PM

23/02/2012 4:49 PM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 10:46:36 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>The belief in a god is proof that the human race has not matured yet. Do
>what you want but I don't want to here about it. In any case, I asked a
>legitimate question. Belief in any of the three mentioned entities makes
>equal sense.

Just goes to show your immaturity. Believe in God can be a moral
ideology, not a religious one.

Du

Dave

in reply to [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) on 08/02/2012 8:46 PM

23/02/2012 7:04 PM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 15:04:12 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Just because I have a firm grip on reality. No, I do not believe in mythical
>beings.

As I stated earlier, the finding of God can be a moral decision, not a
practical one. One doesn't have to believe in a mythical being to find
God. Finding God can be all about attitude and how you live your life.
Doesn't at all have to be about a supreme being.

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 7:04 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote:
>>
>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>> than cut them with a router.)
>
>LOL... I would say you have taken a major step forward. It would be
>tough to cut a slot into the face of a panel with a router, mid-panel.

Luckily, I haven't had to do that yet. But just attaching and
removing the buscuit adapter from the router base has become
a major annoyance.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 12:09 PM

On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

> The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to
> be justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy
> on a whim?

Wow.....somebody who finally understands the world of tools.

Our old friend on PBS probably sold more tools accidentally than any
tool rep in the world today.

Nobody needs a PC 557 but there are millions sitting in shops around the
world because of one guy and a thing called tool envy.

If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".

If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
I want my estate sale to be interesting.

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 3:07 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/8/2012 3:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>
>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".

OK, I'm in:

Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.

Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
templates. Didn't like the results.


>If I had the money, I would have a shop full of Festool just because
>I want my estate sale to be interesting.

I'll definitely go. Please let me know when you die.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 8:24 AM

I didn't think it was the right term either but it
was the first thing that came to mind.

On 2/9/2012 2:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
> Tool envy? I don't know if that is the right word.

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 8:27 AM

Oh God....there's mexicans in Houston ??

I thought they were all here In N.C.

On 2/10/2012 4:34 AM, Leon wrote:

>
> If you lived in Houston you would be called the "Mexican Illegals". ;~)

GG

Greg Guarino

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 11:44 AM

On 2/9/2012 4:19 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> Hey! I resemble that remark. I did some cleaning in my shop recently
> and found stuff I bought over 30 years ago. Still in the original
> package. I haven't opened them or used them since I bought them.

I don't have too many "virgin" tools, but I've got a bunch that were
used once. I imagine that happens a lot to homeowner handymen like me.

My basin wrench, for instance, is in absolutely perfect shape. I bought
it when I was putting in our kitchen. It did an admirable job of
installing the faucet, which was to be expected as it was the most
expensive model they had. Knowing it was going to be a seldom-used item,
I tried to buy either of the two cheaper ones in the showcase, but
neither was in stock. Looks nice in the toolbox, though.

Some of my other plumbing tools have similarly thin resumes. The
deep-socket faucet wrench set was used maybe twice. The PVC tubing
cutter had a brief encore when my daughter was in junior high. (science
project - how does the length of a tube affect it's resonant frequency?).

I've got a masonry hammer and a pair of those hand-shield cold chisels
that I used once to put in a dryer vent. The hammer also came in handy
to break up some hardened ice-melt crystals. (don't do that, by the way;
the crystals reacted with the hammer and caused some nasty corrosion).

I got one of those "laser" (actually ultrasound, I think) distance
measuring gizmos as a gift a number of years back. I imagine it would be
a handy item for measuring room dimensions, say for a contractor
estimating a job. I haven't come up with a use for it yet myself,
though. Molding just looks better when it's *exactly* the right length.

My grout float sat after it's rookie job for quite a few years, but
eventually came out again. The torx screwdrivers are still waiting
though. I've probably used the Greenlee Naileater 3/4" drill bit and its
extension maybe three times.

I'm sure there are any number of others.

PB

Pat Barber

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 8:50 AM

Ok:

I have the world's largest collection of:

1.Caulk guns (metric ass load)
2.Tape measures (thousands)
3.Pencils (I get them by the truck load)
4.Koozies for drink cans (they are breeding in my shop at night)

I have "several routers" still in the box and at
7 more that are out of the box.

More router magic attachments to make wizard like
dovetails, dado's,etc,etc,.

I have three dovetail jigs(none of which make dovetails)

General Tools M&T jig that makes some weird tenons
and some great mortises.(Hey...it was cheap)

Several strange wrenches that could end up in
the Smithsonian in the "what the hell does that do"
department.

We won't even talk about the tools my wife and MIL
have got me over the years.

I will let everybody know when I die so that the
estate sale will be a real affair to remember.


LB

Larry Blanchard

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 5:34 PM

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:07:26 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:

>>If everybody on this list fessed up about the drawer full of "magic"
>>tools they bought and rarely, if ever used, we would have some pretty
>>interesting threads on "my last dumb ass purchase".
>
> OK, I'm in:
>
> Dremel kit. Nothing wrong with it, but I've almost never used it.
>
> Incra jig. Played with it, even wrote software to generate custom
> templates. Didn't like the results.

Mine was the Ryobi detail sander AKA hand buzzer.

--
Intelligence is an experiment that failed - G. B. Shaw

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 7:33 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Pat Barber <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ok:
>
>I have the world's largest collection of:
>
>1.Caulk guns (metric ass load)

Check. But most of them were left behind by contractors,
*and* I use them sometimes.

>2.Tape measures (thousands)

Check. But you can never have too many of those. If there
isn't one within arm's reach, you don't have enough.

Ditto clamps.


>I have "several routers" still in the box and at
>7 more that are out of the box.

Check. I don't actually have that many, but my first one was a
POS (remember the rule about buying cheap tools), my second one
disappeared, presumed stolen, so I got a third. Then the second
turned up when I cleaned the garage.

>More router magic attachments to make wizard like
>dovetails, dado's,etc,etc,.

Check.

>I have three dovetail jigs(none of which make dovetails)

Check. Only have one, though.

>General Tools M&T jig that makes some weird tenons
>and some great mortises.(Hey...it was cheap)

I just use the table saw:
http://www.efalk.org/Vardo/bigs/vardo044.jpg.html

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

11/02/2012 11:24 AM

On 2/10/12 3:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Pat Barber<[email protected]> wrote in news:jh3hs7$ta5$1@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> Ok:
>>
>> I have the world's largest collection of:
>>
>> 1.Caulk guns (metric ass load)
>
> Those things are funny. You care for them, use them a few times and give
> them a nice spot in a drawer or on pegboard and they disappear. You
> think you've provided them with a good home, but off they go. (Any wrench
> is glad to have such a home--why not a caulk gun?)
>
> The ones I've kept track of often are the ones with a tube of something
> in them, so maybe that's what the others leave to find. Once found,
> though, they often hide with their tube and only pop up once you discover
> their hiding places. Sometimes it takes years.
>
> Keeping caulk guns is like herding cats. :-)
>
> *snip*
>
> Puckdropper

I had about a half dozen of the real cheap ones in a bucket. They were
all encrusted with tar or glue or whatever. One day, I through them all
and wondered why the heck I was buying $3 "disposables" and holding on
to them for decades. I went out and bought a very nice $13-ish caulk gun
that is a pleasure to use..... that is, if any pleasure can be derived
from using a caulk gun.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

11/02/2012 7:41 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>
>Yep, I hear that. I have three tape measures sitting beside me when I type
>this. In my youth, I kept losing my tape measure. So I bought another. I
>kept losing them.

With many tools, it's about reaching equalibrium. When you're finding
lost tools at the rate you're losing them, then you have the right number.

Sadly, I never thought that would happen with routers.

>Some folks think I have a tape measure fetish. I have them in the kitchen,
>living room, office, my wife's sewing room and bedrooms. I have a tape
>measure and a set of calipers in all the vehicles. And, of course, a number
>of them in the shop.

Yep. She Who Must Be Obeyed and I are in the middle of renovations in
the house. We're always within one room of a tape measure when we need
one.

Just checking -- yep, there's one next to me on the kitchen table right
now.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

12/02/2012 11:04 AM

On 2/11/12 8:49 PM, m II wrote:
> The pressure rod grabbing mechanism tens to slip on the cheapies I have
> bought. Some rough sandpaper to the shaft seems to alleviate this
> burnishing problem for a few more uses before the garbage.
>

I have found that the squeeze handle acts as a built-in pressure relief
by bending when you pull too hard. Problem is, it's not resettable.
Trash can. :-)



--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

GG

Greg Guarino

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

15/02/2012 4:25 PM

On 2/10/2012 7:07 PM, Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:44:05 -0500, Greg Guarino<[email protected]>
>> My grout float sat after it's rookie job for quite a few years, but
>> eventually came out again. The torx screwdrivers are still waiting
>> though. I've probably used the Greenlee Naileater 3/4" drill bit and its
>> extension maybe three times.
>
> Sounds like typical home owner affliction. Cheaper to do the job
> yourself rather than hiring someone, but you need a specific tool to
> get it done. That's it for the next twenty years until you have a
> similar task to do again and then you don't remember where you put
> that tool. If, you remember buying it at all.

I ask a lot of "for dummies" questions here, but I'm quite good about
organizing my tools. I have three toolboxes: electrical, plumbing and
general, plus a well organized wall of hand tools and shelf units for
power tools and supplies.

Should an unexpected need arise for that basin wrench, I can lay my
hands on it in a minute.

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 8:09 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>(Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>than cut them with a router.)

Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.

However it needs work; I've ordered the $30 worth of replacement parts it
needs to get back to snuff, but the biggest problem is that the external
moving parts are just not moving freely enough. My first impulse is to
shoot it with WD-40, but two of the parts are plastic and I'm slightly
worried about spraying petroleum products onto plastic.

Any suggestions? I guess I could scrounge up some silicone spray
somewhere in the house, but I thought I'd ask other people's opinions.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

LJ

Larry Jaques

in reply to [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) on 22/02/2012 8:09 PM

23/02/2012 1:35 PM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 13:09:28 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:54:11 -0600, basilisk <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>>>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what
>>>> you sayand do.
>>>> =================================================================
>>>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>>>
>>> He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
>>> why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?
>>
>> I chose to filter instead. He joined Stormin this morning because
>> this is not a religious forum, it's the Wreck.
>
>Fair enough Larry, but do you also filter those who are outspoken in their
>belief that is contrary to "religeous" beliefs? Of course, it is your
>choice who you filter and who you don't, but I'm asking if the standard is
>arbitrary, biased, or balanced.

Yes, I do, Mike. I tend to dislike sermons, from Christians, Muslims,
Buddhists, and Athiests alike. I also have no trouble allowing people
their own beliefs.


>In the end - it's just discussion. What you filter is your right to decide.
>It's just somewhat amusing how this type of discussion results in double
>standards. Oh well...

We humans aren't perfect, but I aim for balance. <shrug>

--
Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why
good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a
heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people
can handle it.
-- Hugh Macleod

ST

Steve Turner

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 11:24 PM

On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>> SNIP
> > ... and NO,
>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>
>
> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.

<blank stare>

--
Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how
sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 10:02 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>Nope - but it sure as hell makes a complicated mess out of future finishing.
>Why would anyone want to do that?

Not me. I have enough problems finishing things that have been
exposed to glue squeeze-out.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 10:05 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>What do you use on your table saw?

Paste wax. I might just give that a try.

>If you have TopCote, that works
>pretty well as a dry lubricant on the external parts of the 557. My 557
>was recently giving me trouble binding when trying to set the angle, and
>TopCote solved the problem.

I might also give that a try; thanks.

--
-Ed Falk, [email protected]
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:11 PM

On 2/23/2012 9:39 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> On 2/23/2012 7:56 AM, Michael Joel wrote:

>
> No. I gave up using the wider internet over a year ago (I found it
> interfered with my ability to obey God) and have been the much better
> for it. I now limit my use to a few selected sites and a few selected
> avenues of access. Made my life much better.
>
> Mike

I cannot say that using Google has given me problems with obeying God...
But if that helps, you need to do what you feel is right, all the more
power to you. If you are not feeling comfortable with God you need to
make some changes. As you are probably noticing, too much interference
can cloud your judgement and thinking.

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 9:48 AM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:37:03 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
>seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it
>will save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better
>building techniques.

And considering those drawer fronts you pin attached with Dominos,
it's also capable of adding a dimension of artistry to some projects.
While possible with regular mortise and tenon constructions, stuff
like that is not so often visible.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 11:07 PM

On 2/8/2012 10:39 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
>> I think you need to think a bit more about what you said and why you
>> even took exception to someone's "justification", especially when he
>> was pretty damn specific about what that was?
>
> First off... it was tongue in cheek. ;~) Point was buy it... enjoy it...

Well no damn wonder!

:-J is how I remember "tongue in cheek". :)


> Over time I've had occasion to purchase tools, including stationary
> tools, that were of no clear use to me at the time but they struck my
> fancy. My 1905 Crescent 36" bandsaw is the largest such purchase...
> stands about 8 feet tall! To me it is just way cool! I bought it because
> I liked the idea of having a 36" bandsaw not because I needed it--though
> I can think of things I could do with it that would be difficult or
> impossible on my 18" saw. One of my female friends, as a way of busting
> my chops, refers to it as my "big tool." Maybe that was the real
> justification. ;~)
>
> "It's cheap" led me to buy a LOT of stuff in January 2004 when
> Woodworker's Warehouse went out of business. The last couple days things
> were selling for a few pennies on the dollar, e.g., I think I paid $1
> for a table saw side table that I set up as an out feed table and a buck
> a piece for things like shaper rub bearings. Some of that stuff is still
> brand new in the wrapper all these years later. While rearranging the
> drawer for my shaper stuff this evening, to make room for three new
> cutters, I came across a large ogee cutter that I forgot I had from the
> WW purchases. It's so big that 5/4 or 6/4 would be needed to see the
> whole profile. It's brand new in the box and here I am 8 years later and
> I have a project coming up where I might be able to use it... good thing
> I was rearranging the drawer or I might have purchased another one and
> paid real money for it! ;~)
>
> Perceived need drives some purchases... existing tools could serve.
> Variety makes things more interesting... biscuits, pocket screws,
> mortise and tenon, nails... all could be used but corrugated fasteners
> and staples could work took. Gotta have them all. ;~)

Good points all ... very different from my usual reason for buying, but
certainly valid. Thanks.

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[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 4:20 AM

In article <[email protected]>,
Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>(Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>>than cut them with a router.)
>
>Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>
>However it needs work; ...

Follow-up. Turns out it had a broken part. An irreplacable broken part.

Here's what I did:

http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power-tool-where/

I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.

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MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 6:44 AM

Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>>> than cut them with a router.)
>>
>> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>>
>> However it needs work; ...
>
> Follow-up. Turns out it had a broken part. An irreplacable broken
> part.
>
> Here's what I did:
>
> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power-tool-where/
>
> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.


That is seriously cool! Just out of curiosity - what did it cost you to
get that part "printed" out and shipped?

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Jim Weisgram

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 5:29 PM

On Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:30:26 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>mortices on each end.
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/

I hope this doesn't ruin your day; it is the newer bigger better
Domino. But not available yet.

http://woodworkersjournal.com/Ezine/Articles/Domino_XL_Sometimes_Bigger_is_just_Better_8956.aspx

BB

Bill

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 11:09 AM

Han wrote:
> [email protected] (Edward A. Falk) wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>> Edward A. Falk <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>>>> than cut them with a router.)
>>>
>>> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>>>
>>> However it needs work; ...
>>
>> Follow-up. Turns out it had a broken part. An irreplacable broken
>> part.
>>
>> Here's what I did:
>>
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power
>> -tool-where/
>>
>> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.
>
> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want to
> get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for this?
>

Has it been stored inside or outside for the last 9 years?

fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 4:54 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Here's what I did:
>>
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power-tool-where/
>>
>> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.
>
>
>That is seriously cool! Just out of curiosity - what did it cost you to
>get that part "printed" out and shipped?

About twelve bucks total, including shipping. I used the cheapest
material. A steel piece would have been around $60.

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fE

[email protected] (Edward A. Falk)

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 4:59 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 11/16/2012 10:20 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power-tool-where/
>
>Very cool.
>
>> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.
>
>I had the same feeling the first time I saw it. Glad to have lived long
>enough to see it. :)

And you may live longer still.

My "oh my god" moment w.r.t. 3-d printing was when I saw a video of a
TED talk where the guy is talking about printing human organs out of
collagen. At the end, his assistant Igor comes out with a jar. He puts
a blue glove on, reaches into the jar, and pulls out a pink blob.

"This is a human kidney. We printed it back stage this morning."

http://www.ted.com/talks/anthony_atala_printing_a_human_kidney.html

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BB

Bill

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 8:21 PM

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Han" wrote:
>
>
>> FWIW, I have a Dewalt DW682K that I have used a few times, but want
>> to
>> get rid of. Complete with case and a supply of several kinds of
>> biscuits. I paid $190 for it 9 years ago. What should I ask for
>> this?
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> How does $100 + freight sound?
>
> Lew

I'm glad you're not going to be cheap about it Lew. Congratulations!

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 11:46 PM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:27:28 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
> I know I haven't, unless I die tomorrow, or shortly there-after.

My last dumb ass purchase was the Bridge City Tools Jointmaker. That
particular purchase cost me close to $1800. When everything was said
and done, I ended up selling it basically unused for more than a 33%
loss.

Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent precise tool. Only problem with
it was that it's limited to a maximum of about 6" cuts. I didn't
consider that limitation when buying it mostly because I got caught up
with the glitz of the advertising videos.

So, even though I admit to having bought the occasional expensive,
unnecessary tool, I won't admit to that with my purchase of any
Festool products ~ not yet anyway. :)

MJ

Michael Joel

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 10:58 PM

Swingman wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> SNIP
> ... and NO,
> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>

I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
Not a cure all of course.
But silicon contamination is not the end of all either. If it was no one
better polish furniture with pledge.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 7:14 AM

On 2/22/2012 11:24 PM, Steve Turner wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> SNIP
>> > ... and NO,
>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>
> <blank stare>
>

ROTFL

bb

basilisk

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 11:54 AM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:

> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>>Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>
>>>>>_only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>
>>>Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>
>>
>> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
>> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>>
>> --
>> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the
>> labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in
>> order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
>> receiving. -- Albert Einstein
>
> Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
> life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
> releasing their true character.
>
> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
> sayand do.
> =================================================================
> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?

He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?

basilisk

EP

Ed Pawlowski

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 4:52 AM

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:47:28 -0800, Larry Jaques
<[email protected]> wrote:



>I saw a little, old, blue-haired couple arguing with the Walmart
>employee who couldn't fit the 50" TV into their 1970s compact car.
>Well, it fit into the back seat, but neither front seat would fold
>back upright and neither door would close. I think the 24" long trunk
>was too narrow to stick the box in sideways, too, even if they had
>some way to support the other 3' which were sticking out.
>
>My grin lasted over half an hour for that one.

I wonder if there is money to be made there. If you have a pickup,
just hang around the parking lot and offer to take the big packages
home for them for a few $$$.

MJ

Michael Joel

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 8:56 AM

Leon wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>> SNIP
>>
>> > ... and NO,
>>
>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>> Not a cure all of course.
>> But silicon contamination is not the end of all either. If it was no one
>> better polish furniture with pledge.
>
>
> The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project is
> finished and away from the shop problem.
>
> Basically you don't use Pledge before applying the finish..

Not for a refinisher.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

17/11/2012 8:27 AM

On 11/16/2012 10:20 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:

> http://www.instructables.com/id/Creating-a-replacement-part-for-a-power-tool-where/

Very cool.

> I swear, 3d printing will be the next industrial revolution.

I had the same feeling the first time I saw it. Glad to have lived long
enough to see it. :)

I have the stl plugin for SU, but couldn't get your file to open
(Exception NaN). I suspect if might have to do with the import options,
like perhaps the units used?

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"CW"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 3:09 PM



"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On 2/23/2012 12:46 PM, CW wrote:
>
>
> "basilisk" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, CW wrote:
>
>> "Michael Joel" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 09:20:51 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>>
>>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone
>>>>>> contamination.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>>
>>>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> You _know_ he's looking for hair between his fingers now, too, don't
>>> you? (Googlit, Naily. It'll be in the same section as the last one.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the
>>> labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in
>>> order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still
>>> receiving. -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> Internet is a great magnifier. Whatever a person will allow for in their
>> life becomes magnified since there appears to be no consequences for
>> releasing their true character.
>>
>> Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>> are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>> sayand do.
>> =================================================================
>> You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?
>
> He offered a reasonable explanation for his behavior,
> why would you choose to ridicule anothers religious beliefs?
> =====================================================================
>
> The belief in a god is proof that the human race has not matured yet. Do
> what you want but I don't want to here about it. In any case, I asked a
> legitimate question. Belief in any of the three mentioned entities makes
> equal sense.

I would certainly not say that belief in God is proof that the human
race has not matured yet so much as the human race has not totally gone
down the tubes yet.
===================================================================
So you think that belief in mythical beings makes for a healthy society.
Drop by some time. I have a few unicorns for you. BTW, of all the gods out
there, who's is real and who's isn't?

MJ

Michael Joel

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 10:39 AM

Leon wrote:
> On 2/23/2012 7:56 AM, Michael Joel wrote:
>
>> Leon wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
>>>>> SNIP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>
>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>> Not a cure all of course.
>>>> But silicon contamination is not the end of all either. If it was no
>>>> one
>>>> better polish furniture with pledge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project
>>> is finished and away from the shop problem.
>>>
>>> Basically you don't use Pledge before applying the finish..
>>
>>
>> Not for a refinisher.
>
>
> You totally have me confused. Could you please explain the process, in
> order, that a "refinisher" uses Pledge on a piece before the
> varnish/paint goes on?

I guess I should not have quoted both your sentences.
I was referring to -

>>>> The silicone is a before you finish problem, not an after the project
>>>> is finished and away from the shop problem.

Refinishers have to strip the old finish, many times this finish is
cracked and deteriated, so any polishes will most likely have reached
the wood. A refinisher doesn't have control over the starting state of
what they are working on.


> Swingman wrote:
>
>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>
>>> > ... and NO,
>>>
>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>
>>
>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>

No. I gave up using the wider internet over a year ago (I found it
interfered with my ability to obey God) and have been the much better
for it. I now limit my use to a few selected sites and a few selected
avenues of access. Made my life much better.

Mike

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 4:45 PM

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>sayand do.
>=================================================================
>You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?

Obviously, his finding of God shows cretins like you to be the low
class person you apparently are.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 11:38 AM

On 2/8/2012 11:30 AM, Leon wrote:
> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
> mortices on each end.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/

Like they say a picture is worth a thousand words (or 1,236,469 words on
the wRec).

All I have to say is ... Wow!

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Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 6:51 PM

On 2/22/2012 2:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Edward A. Falk<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>> than cut them with a router.)
>
> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>
> However it needs work; I've ordered the $30 worth of replacement parts it
> needs to get back to snuff, but the biggest problem is that the external
> moving parts are just not moving freely enough. My first impulse is to
> shoot it with WD-40, but two of the parts are plastic and I'm slightly
> worried about spraying petroleum products onto plastic.
>
> Any suggestions? I guess I could scrounge up some silicone spray
> somewhere in the house, but I thought I'd ask other people's opinions.

Like Mike Marlow said, do your future finishing a big favor and do not
allow silicone into any aspect of your wood shop environment ... and NO,
_only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.

What do you use on your table saw? If you have TopCote, that works
pretty well as a dry lubricant on the external parts of the 557. My 557
was recently giving me trouble binding when trying to set the angle, and
TopCote solved the problem.

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Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 10:34 AM

On 2/9/2012 10:31 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:45:07 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> You need to by the big fella. It will help with your upcoming catapult
>>> and trebuchet projects. ;-)
>> Oh Noooooooo!
>
> You know you're going to get one, it's just a matter of when. Think of
> what you could build with one? It could be a whole new category of
> building stuff. And considering what Swingman could do with one, you
> could get whatever you want in trade from him.

Gotta feeling it will probably be me, and we'll swap, as you previously
indicated.

But with the dude cutting mortises at the rate of 1344/day, it appears
I'll probably have to schedule far in advance.

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Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 11:21 AM

On 2/23/2012 9:39 AM, Michael Joel wrote:

>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Swingman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> > ... and NO,
>>>>
>>>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>>>
>
> No. I gave up using the wider internet over a year ago (I found it
> interfered with my ability to obey God) and have been the much better
> for it. I now limit my use to a few selected sites and a few selected
> avenues of access. Made my life much better.

That's good, Mike. You can't argue with an individual's life decisions,
particularly when that decision makes them content. The fact that you
made one is definitely in your favor and should be applauded,
particularly in this day and age.

As you've no doubt noticed, this place can get pretty contentious,
argumentative and wild, so it pays each one of us to be careful about
posting something that could perhaps mislead those looking for answers
and who don't have the knowledge to judge the, often wildly varying,
proffered advice.

In effect, that's a good thing, because, if you can stand the occasional
heat, you quickly realize that there is not much else that keeps the
advice offered here arguably much better than many other forums in the
online world.

All in all, good to see you here and participating.

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tiredofspam

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 5:23 PM

WD40 will be fine.
I think they are probably nylon, not plastic, but I can be wrong.

BTW you might want to try mineral oil as a lube after you get it moving.
It's a nice lite lube.

On 2/22/2012 3:09 PM, Edward A. Falk wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>,
> Edward A. Falk<[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> (Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather
>> than cut them with a router.)
>
> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>
> However it needs work; I've ordered the $30 worth of replacement parts it
> needs to get back to snuff, but the biggest problem is that the external
> moving parts are just not moving freely enough. My first impulse is to
> shoot it with WD-40, but two of the parts are plastic and I'm slightly
> worried about spraying petroleum products onto plastic.
>
> Any suggestions? I guess I could scrounge up some silicone spray
> somewhere in the house, but I thought I'd ask other people's opinions.
>

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 1:02 PM

On 2/23/2012 9:20 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/22/2012 9:58 PM, Michael Joel wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>
>> > ... and NO,
>>> _only_ on Google is shellac a cure all for all silicone contamination.
>>>
>>
>> I wouldn't know about google since I don't use it.
>
> Is that hair on your knuckles too? ;)
>

Shit! ROTFL once again on the same thread!

MJ

Michael Joel

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 7:12 PM

Mike Marlow wrote:

> Edward A. Falk wrote:
>
>
>>Any suggestions? I guess I could scrounge up some silicone spray
>>somewhere in the house, but I thought I'd ask other people's opinions.
>
>
> First rule - No silicone around wood! At least if you ever hope to apply a
> finish to that wood.
>

It is hard to clean out but can be done. You could also seal the wood
with shellac or just use shellac as the finish. Other wise you can use
silicon oil in the finish (but that will pose a cleaning problem).

Mike

Cc

"CW"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

23/02/2012 3:04 PM



"Dave" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 08:54:00 -0800, "CW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Fear of God is the solution to such problems - no matter where you
>are/go His Law and the Love for Him will guard how you act and what you
>sayand do.
>=================================================================
>You believe in the easter bunny and Santa Clause too?

Obviously, his finding of God shows cretins like you to be the low
class person you apparently are.
====================================================================
Just because I have a firm grip on reality. No, I do not believe in mythical
beings.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

25/02/2012 8:19 AM

> I am afraid you do. Don't you believe in the scientific theories, that
> get disproved all the time? The scientist/doctors have been elevated by
> society to deity. Yet they are constantly proven wrong. Example: One of
> Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
> being considered to be possibly invalid. Something that for decades was accepted. <

That is no longer the case (it had to do with a recent experiment result
that had neutrinos moving faster than the speed of light), which was
apparently the false result of sloppy work on the part of the researchers
who did not test all their cable connections ... so it appears Einstein is
still good to go.

So yes, there are bad researchers, just like there are less than proper
popes and pedophile preachers (please pardon the irresistible
alliteration).

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Leon

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

02/03/2012 7:25 AM

On 3/1/2012 4:17 PM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 3/1/2012 1:48 PM, Han wrote:
>>> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
>>>> results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did
>>>> not test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a
>>>> different laboratory had already achieved similar results and other
>>>> researchers are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's
>>>> taken seriously by real scientists.
>>>
>>> I agree with the statements that I snipped. I don't agree with the
>>> criticism of Swingman's statements. It is a fact that the conclusion
>>> of faster than light neutrinos was due to data from a bad cable
>>> connection between a GPS-instrument to accurately define time and the
>>> computer the guys used. We return you to regularly scheduled
>>> programming ...
>>
>> Couple of things:
>>
>> I pay no attention to Clarke's BS, whatsoever.

>
> Good for you, but others might not know "Clarke's BS", so I tried to set
> them straight.

A rule if thumb, when some one disagrees or contradicts most everything
you say for the sake of doing that, you filter him. Clark fit that
description early on.


>
>> On the subject of neutrino's superluminal motion, Einstein is still
>> laughing up his sleeve.
>>
>> There, I did it! A word new to my ken, and used in a sentence! :)
>>
>> "superluminal"
>>
>> Great word, eh? Gotta love it .... :)
>
> Yup!!
>

Strategery

MM

"Mike Marlow"

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

01/03/2012 3:02 PM

Han wrote:
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
>> results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did not
>> test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a different
>> laboratory had already achieved similar results and other researchers
>> are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's taken
>> seriously by real scientists.
>
> I agree with the statements that I snipped.

Dude - you can't do that! You can't say I agree with what I snipped - after
you snipped it! That just ain't right!


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Sk

Swingman

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

01/03/2012 3:17 PM

On 3/1/2012 1:48 PM, Han wrote:
> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
>> results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did not
>> test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a different
>> laboratory had already achieved similar results and other researchers
>> are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's taken seriously by
>> real scientists.
>
> I agree with the statements that I snipped. I don't agree with the
> criticism of Swingman's statements. It is a fact that the conclusion of
> faster than light neutrinos was due to data from a bad cable connection
> between a GPS-instrument to accurately define time and the computer the
> guys used. We return you to regularly scheduled programming ...

Couple of things:

I pay no attention to Clarke's BS, whatsoever.

On the subject of neutrino's superluminal motion, Einstein is still
laughing up his sleeve.

There, I did it! A word new to my ken, and used in a sentence! :)

"superluminal"

Great word, eh? Gotta love it .... :)

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Michael Joel

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

25/02/2012 6:13 PM

CW wrote:
>> Lame, really lame.

I am really sorry you felt so.



Swingman wrote:
>>...SNIP.... Example: One of
>>Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
>>being considered to be possibly invalid. Something that for decades was accepted. <
>
>
> That is no longer the case (it had to do with a recent experiment result
> that had neutrinos moving faster than the speed of light), which was
> apparently the false result of sloppy work on the part of the researchers
> who did not test all their cable connections ... so it appears Einstein is
> still good to go.

Until it may be disproved. That was my only real point for bringing that
up (I had not heard more on it).
My point was theories do get disproved, until they do - they get
accepted as truth, though many scientists themselves know that it is not
the case. It is partly what helps the world today have such an ambiguous
definition of reality and truth.

Don't misunderstand. I am not saying humans never understand something.
My opinion is they don't usually - and they don't know when they do or
when they don't so it is called a theory. The best hope is it doesn't
get proven wrong - because, until God tells us - it doesn't get proven
right (meaning there is always a chance it will be disproved). Hence -
faith, thus religion.

Mike
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"J. Clarke"

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

28/02/2012 11:56 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> CW wrote:
> >> Lame, really lame.
>
> I am really sorry you felt so.
>
>
>
> Swingman wrote:
> >>...SNIP.... Example: One of
> >>Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
> >>being considered to be possibly invalid. Something that for decades was accepted. <
> >
> >
> > That is no longer the case (it had to do with a recent experiment result
> > that had neutrinos moving faster than the speed of light), which was
> > apparently the false result of sloppy work on the part of the researchers
> > who did not test all their cable connections ... so it appears Einstein is
> > still good to go.
>
> Until it may be disproved. That was my only real point for bringing that
> up (I had not heard more on it).
> My point was theories do get disproved, until they do - they get
> accepted as truth, though many scientists themselves know that it is not
> the case. It is partly what helps the world today have such an ambiguous
> definition of reality and truth.
>
> Don't misunderstand. I am not saying humans never understand something.
> My opinion is they don't usually - and they don't know when they do or
> when they don't so it is called a theory. The best hope is it doesn't
> get proven wrong - because, until God tells us - it doesn't get proven
> right (meaning there is always a chance it will be disproved). Hence -
> faith, thus religion.

I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did not
test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a different
laboratory had already achieved similar results and other researchers
are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's taken seriously by
real scientists.

However, your notion that "theories get accepted as truth until they are
disproven" is, quite, frankly, bullshit. Science resists new models
tooth and claw and they are not "accepted as truth" until they have been
thoroughly tested. You think relativity was just accepted because some
patent clerk that nobody had ever heard of said so? You think the Big
Bang was accepted because some priest nobody had ever heard of said so?
Now we accept relativity because it has been thoroughly tested for more
than a century and so far has not been found wanting. But we also
recognize that it is incomplete.

If people who are not scientists accept the pronouncements of scientists
as revealed truth, that has nothing to do with science and everything to
do with the crappy job we do of educating people about how science
works.

As for not knowing when they do or don't understand something and that's
why it's called a theory, more bullshit. When someone comes up with a
notion it's called a "hypothesis" and we don't know if we understand
something at that point. When that hypothesis has been tested enough it
becomes "theory" and theory is sound enough to allow us to design
computers and airplanes and nuclear reactors and walk on the Moon. It
may be wrong in some detail but it's much closer to "right" than the
Bible's "pi exactly equals 3" with which you can't even design a wagon
wheel.

Sk

Swingman

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

02/03/2012 9:36 AM

On 3/2/2012 7:25 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/1/2012 4:17 PM, Han wrote:
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in


>>> "superluminal"
>>>
>>> Great word, eh? Gotta love it .... :)
>>
>> Yup!!
>>
>
> Strategery

Yabbut it ain't in the bible..er ... dictionary.


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Han

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

01/03/2012 7:48 PM

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
> results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did not
> test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a different
> laboratory had already achieved similar results and other researchers
> are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's taken seriously by
> real scientists.

I agree with the statements that I snipped. I don't agree with the
criticism of Swingman's statements. It is a fact that the conclusion of
faster than light neutrinos was due to data from a bad cable connection
between a GPS-instrument to accurately define time and the computer the
guys used. We return you to regularly scheduled programming ...


--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

01/03/2012 8:16 PM

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Han wrote:
>> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
>>> results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did
>>> not test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a
>>> different laboratory had already achieved similar results and other
>>> researchers are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's
>>> taken seriously by real scientists.
>>
>> I agree with the statements that I snipped.
>
> Dude - you can't do that! You can't say I agree with what I snipped -
> after you snipped it! That just ain't right!

Clearly, you don't understand my strategy!!!

:)

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Han
email address is invalid

Hn

Han

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

01/03/2012 10:17 PM

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 3/1/2012 1:48 PM, Han wrote:
>> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> I don't know where Swingman gets the idea that the recent neutrino
>>> results came about because of "sloppy work by researchers who did
>>> not test all their cable connections". Other researchers at a
>>> different laboratory had already achieved similar results and other
>>> researchers are now attempting to replicate the experiment. It's
>>> taken seriously by real scientists.
>>
>> I agree with the statements that I snipped. I don't agree with the
>> criticism of Swingman's statements. It is a fact that the conclusion
>> of faster than light neutrinos was due to data from a bad cable
>> connection between a GPS-instrument to accurately define time and the
>> computer the guys used. We return you to regularly scheduled
>> programming ...
>
> Couple of things:
>
> I pay no attention to Clarke's BS, whatsoever.

Good for you, but others might not know "Clarke's BS", so I tried to set
them straight.

> On the subject of neutrino's superluminal motion, Einstein is still
> laughing up his sleeve.
>
> There, I did it! A word new to my ken, and used in a sentence! :)
>
> "superluminal"
>
> Great word, eh? Gotta love it .... :)

Yup!!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Ll

Leon

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

02/03/2012 11:39 PM

On 3/2/2012 9:36 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 3/2/2012 7:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/1/2012 4:17 PM, Han wrote:
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
>
>
>>>> "superluminal"
>>>>
>>>> Great word, eh? Gotta love it .... :)
>>>
>>> Yup!!
>>>
>>
>> Strategery
>
> Yabbut it ain't in the bible..er ... dictionary.
>
>

It will be, I bet'cha~ LOL

Sk

Swingman

in reply to "CW" on 23/02/2012 3:04 PM

25/02/2012 7:27 PM

On 2/25/2012 5:13 PM, Michael Joel wrote:

> Swingman wrote:
>>> ...SNIP.... Example: One of
>>> Einstein's theories (can't off the top of my head remember which) is now
>>> being considered to be possibly invalid. Something that for decades
>>> was accepted. <
>>
>>
>> That is no longer the case (it had to do with a recent experiment result
>> that had neutrinos moving faster than the speed of light), which was
>> apparently the false result of sloppy work on the part of the researchers
>> who did not test all their cable connections ... so it appears
>> Einstein is
>> still good to go.
>
> Until it may be disproved. That was my only real point for bringing that
> up (I had not heard more on it).
> My point was theories do get disproved, until they do - they get
> accepted as truth, though many scientists themselves know that it is not
> the case.

Can't argue with that. We currently see it in the "climate change"
debate, on both sides.

It is partly what helps the world today have such an ambiguous
> definition of reality and truth.

Can't argue with that either. Particularly considering our one party,
with two wings, political system.

> Don't misunderstand. I am not saying humans never understand something.
> My opinion is they don't usually - and they don't know when they do or
> when they don't so it is called a theory.

Well, I could give you the accepted definitions, but we just got
finished tamping that argument down, so don't want to open another can
of the same worms.

> The best hope is it doesn't
> get proven wrong - because, until God tells us - it doesn't get proven
> right (meaning there is always a chance it will be disproved). Hence -
> faith, thus religion.

Well, I'm not necessarily a believer ... but I did fight for your right
to believe what you feel, if that helps.

(At least that was what some of us were convinced we were doing at the
time ... but it may not last.) :(


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"P.H.T."

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

22/02/2012 10:16 PM

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 20:09:58 +0000, Edward A. Falk wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, Edward A. Falk
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>(Me, I finally decided it was time to get a biscuit joiner rather than
>>cut them with a router.)
>
> Aaaand, I went and bought a cheap one on eBay. A PC 557 for $50.
>
> However it needs work; I've ordered the $30 worth of replacement parts
> it needs to get back to snuff, but the biggest problem is that the
> external moving parts are just not moving freely enough. My first
> impulse is to shoot it with WD-40, but two of the parts are plastic and
> I'm slightly worried about spraying petroleum products onto plastic.
>
> Any suggestions? I guess I could scrounge up some silicone spray
> somewhere in the house, but I thought I'd ask other people's opinions.


As long as it is not in a area that would transfer to the wood, you might
try a little bee's wax on the parts. There are many types of plastic and
WD-40 may not do any harm to the plastic you have.

Paul T.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 9:42 AM

On 2/9/2012 8:48 AM, Dave wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:37:03 -0600, Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
>> seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it
>> will save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better
>> building techniques.
>
> And considering those drawer fronts you pin attached with Dominos,
> it's also capable of adding a dimension of artistry to some projects.
> While possible with regular mortise and tenon constructions, stuff
> like that is not so often visible.

Exactly! In another post I covered the fact that it was those exposed
Domino's on 3 other drawers that probably got me the big drawer job.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 9:40 AM

On 2/9/2012 8:30 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>
> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/8/2012 5:59 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>>
>>> "Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>
>>
>> Wellllllll I don't have to justify it but some do and think it is
>> crazy to spent that kind of money when they can do it with a bench top
>> mortiser, router, DP and chisel, chisel. etc.
>>
>> I think that because the machine is relative expensive that most don't
>> seriously consider it and therefore have no clue of how much time it
>> will save them. For me it saves time and encourages me to use better
>> building techniques.
>
> As I replied to Swingman that was a tongue in cheek post... ;~)

I totally understood that, but I knew there would be others that didn't
hence my reply. ;~) I think you just caught Swingman off guard, he has
been going at it with a couple of others here. ;-0

And I totally agree, who can really justify the cost of a 70" vs 40" TV?

If you like it, want it, and can afford it, GET IT. :~)

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 9:45 AM

On 2/9/2012 9:43 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Leon" wrote
>>
>> I know about it and just got my rejection letter from Festool last
>> week, then needed a few guiney pigs to try one out. I actually believe
>> I am going to pass on this one, I think it is going to be better
>> suited for larger than furniture projects. Now if I were into door
>> building, bridge building, timber frame building, etc I would probably
>> jump all over it. ;~)
>
> Rejection letter from Festool?? Those bastards!! LOL

I know!

>
> You need to by the big fella. It will help with your upcoming catapult
> and trebuchet projects. ;-)
>
Oh Noooooooo!

Du

Dave

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

10/02/2012 7:12 PM

On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:41:03 -0700, Doug Winterburn
>You have a tape measure in the bedroom? Never mind...

Maybe it's her tape measure, not his. After all, a wife needs to know
when the action is about to begin. :)

Ll

Leon

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 6:54 AM

On 2/8/2012 9:06 PM, notImpressed wrote:
> Leon<lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
>> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
>> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
>> mortices on each end.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>
> Looked thru some/most of your pics. Nice stuff.

Thank You! Can I build you something? I need to justify the cost of
my Domino. LOL

Sk

Swingman

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

09/02/2012 10:16 AM

On 2/9/2012 10:03 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:

> Could be... I'm dismayed at how badly things deteriorate here at
> times... Why subject yourself to it...? I do this for fun, not to
> increase the stress level of my life. As a side bonus, useful answers
> and opinions can be found here at times! ;~)

Except that tweaking the odd asshats nose on occasion can actually
relieve stress ... particularly those who have a history of posting
nothing whatsoever related to woodworking.

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"John Grossbohlin"

in reply to Leon on 08/02/2012 11:30 AM

08/02/2012 6:59 PM


"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> This morning some where between 10 .am. and 11 a.m. I cut 168 mortices,
> precisely placed with no pencil marks or measuring.
> Some mortices are not visible, the plywood panels have equal numbers of
> mortices on each end.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/6841899939/in/photostream/lightbox/
>

The subject has been bugging me all day... Why on earth does it have to be
justified? Why can't we just buy stuff because it strikes our fancy on a
whim? So what if it only gets used occasionally if it makes us happy? I've
got some tools that don't get used often but when I need them I NEED them...
and when I need them I say to myself "I'm glad I bought this."

I think you guys need more practice if you are locked into this "justify"
mind set... ;~)

John


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