I want to put a preservative on the siding of my house. House is
roughsawn white cedar clapboards, garage is roughsawn pine board &
batten. When built 24 years ago they used bleaching oil on it, which
gave it a somewhat gray color. All of it has since weathered to just
about the color I want, so I'm not interested in stain.
I do want to preserve it, though. There are a few places where
splashback from rain causes some particular problems, indicating it
might need some special treatment. Generally, though, I want to do
all the siding.
Growing up, we used creosote. The last time I went to buy some I
found it hadn't been sold for years. Plus, it's black and smells and
really isn't what I'd want on siding. Instead I bought green
Cuprinol. Good protection, but still not a color I'd go with for
siding.
I've heard of Penofin which sounds good, but at $40 per gallon and
coverage on rough wood in the neighborhood of 100+ square feet per
gallon, it seems a bit pricey.
Any recommendations?
John Martin
Cumberland, Maine
On Jul 25, 6:54 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
wrote:
> Posted to RCM only
>
> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:52:49 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, John
> Martin <[email protected]> quickly quoth:
>
>
>
>
>
> >I want to put a preservative on the siding of my house. House is
> >roughsawn white cedar clapboards, garage is roughsawn pine board &
> >batten. When built 24 years ago they used bleaching oil on it, which
> >gave it a somewhat gray color. All of it has since weathered to just
> >about the color I want, so I'm not interested in stain.
>
> >I do want to preserve it, though. There are a few places where
> >splashback from rain causes some particular problems, indicating it
> >might need some special treatment. Generally, though, I want to do
> >all the siding.
>
> >Growing up, we used creosote. The last time I went to buy some I
> >found it hadn't been sold for years. Plus, it's black and smells and
> >really isn't what I'd want on siding. Instead I bought green
> >Cuprinol. Good protection, but still not a color I'd go with for
> >siding.
>
> >I've heard of Penofin which sounds good, but at $40 per gallon and
> >coverage on rough wood in the neighborhood of 100+ square feet per
> >gallon, it seems a bit pricey.
>
> >Any recommendations?
>
> You're OK with creosote? Then you'll love the stinky stuff I found
> recently for the brown Wolmanized (pressure treated) boards. It's
> Jasco Termin-8 H2O Brown. $10 a pint at ACE Hardware.
>
> - Metaphors Be With You -- Hide quoted text -
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Not really OK with the creosote - it does stink and is far from a
clear finish. I might consider using it - or the Cuprinol - on a
couple of problem areas only. To do the whole house, though, I'd want
something clear and a lot less fragrant.
I will admit, though, to having some affection for those smells.
There was an insect repellent years ago called Old Time Woodsman -
mostly pine tar and similar ingredients. Worked well, but it stunk
and was about the color of creosote. If you were going to spend a
week in the woods, you might as well smell the part. It was off the
market for some years, but has recently come back.
I see that there is also a Jasco Termin-8 in clear, and will have to
check it out. I do hope that $10/pint was a mistake, though!
It is disappointing to go into a dedicated paint store (a Benjamin
Moore dealer) and then a large lumberyard/building supply and not have
either one have exactly what I want.
John Martin
Look on log home sites or forums. Strangly there isn't a newsgroup.
Karl
On Jul 25, 7:52 am, John Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> I want to put a preservative on the siding of my house. House is
> roughsawn white cedar clapboards, garage is roughsawn pine board &
> batten. When built 24 years ago they used bleaching oil on it, which
> gave it a somewhat gray color. All of it has since weathered to just
> about the color I want, so I'm not interested in stain.
>
> I do want to preserve it, though. There are a few places where
> splashback from rain causes some particular problems, indicating it
> might need some special treatment. Generally, though, I want to do
> all the siding.
>
> Growing up, we used creosote. The last time I went to buy some I
> found it hadn't been sold for years. Plus, it's black and smells and
> really isn't what I'd want on siding. Instead I bought green
> Cuprinol. Good protection, but still not a color I'd go with for
> siding.
>
> I've heard of Penofin which sounds good, but at $40 per gallon and
> coverage on rough wood in the neighborhood of 100+ square feet per
> gallon, it seems a bit pricey.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> John Martin
> Cumberland, Maine
On Jul 26, 7:40 am, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> "John Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> John,
>
> Did you miss my tickler about zinc or tin napthenate? Clear, odorless
> (except for the vehicle), and a good preservative.
>
> LLoyd
Lloyd - I saw it, and thanks. Any particular brands you like?
John
On Jul 25, 11:52 am, John Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> I want to put a preservative on the siding of my house. House is
> roughsawn white cedar clapboards, garage is roughsawn pine board &
> batten. When built 24 years ago they used bleaching oil on it, which
> gave it a somewhat gray color. All of it has since weathered to just
> about the color I want, so I'm not interested in stain.
>
> I do want to preserve it, though. There are a few places where
> splashback from rain causes some particular problems, indicating it
> might need some special treatment. Generally, though, I want to do
> all the siding.
>
> Growing up, we used creosote. The last time I went to buy some I
> found it hadn't been sold for years. Plus, it's black and smells and
> really isn't what I'd want on siding. Instead I bought green
> Cuprinol. Good protection, but still not a color I'd go with for
> siding.
>
> I've heard of Penofin which sounds good, but at $40 per gallon and
> coverage on rough wood in the neighborhood of 100+ square feet per
> gallon, it seems a bit pricey.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> John Martin
> Cumberland, Maine
Lots of deck, siding and fence finishes out there, the more you pay,
the longer they last. You can either get stain versions or clear
versions, since you want that weathered look, get the clear. You can
buy UV protection or not, depends on whether you want it more grey or
not. It's common item at the big box home improvement places, have
whole aisles full of different types here up to 5 and 10 gallon
buckets. Apply with a brush or by spraying. Be careful with any rags
afterwards, they're all drying oil hazards. Olympic was the brand I
used on my trailer. Runs right around $20/gal, how much it covers
depends on how porous your wood is and how rough the surface is.
Ain't none of it going to be cheap. You aren't going to find coal tar
derivatives for $4/gal that'll cover 1000 square feet/gal anymore, no
matter how hard you try. Any other stuff is either going to be black
like tar or green with copper salts, both types meant for buried wood,
not siding. And I've read somewhere they want to ban the copper
stuff, too.
Stan
Zinc or tin napthenate; colorless, antifungal, not terribly expensive.
Water soluble, though, so get the sort that's in a varnish or oil vehicle.
LLoyd
"John Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I want to put a preservative on the siding of my house. House is
> roughsawn white cedar clapboards, garage is roughsawn pine board &
> batten. When built 24 years ago they used bleaching oil on it, which
> gave it a somewhat gray color. All of it has since weathered to just
> about the color I want, so I'm not interested in stain.
>
> I do want to preserve it, though. There are a few places where
> splashback from rain causes some particular problems, indicating it
> might need some special treatment. Generally, though, I want to do
> all the siding.
>
> Growing up, we used creosote. The last time I went to buy some I
> found it hadn't been sold for years. Plus, it's black and smells and
> really isn't what I'd want on siding. Instead I bought green
> Cuprinol. Good protection, but still not a color I'd go with for
> siding.
>
> I've heard of Penofin which sounds good, but at $40 per gallon and
> coverage on rough wood in the neighborhood of 100+ square feet per
> gallon, it seems a bit pricey.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> John Martin
> Cumberland, Maine
>
"John Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Not really OK with the creosote - it does stink and is far from a
> clear finish. I might consider using it - or the Cuprinol - on a
> couple of problem areas only. To do the whole house, though, I'd want
> something clear and a lot less fragrant.
John,
Did you miss my tickler about zinc or tin napthenate? Clear, odorless
(except for the vehicle), and a good preservative.
LLoyd
"John Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lloyd - I saw it, and thanks. Any particular brands you like?
>
John, I haven't bought any in years. The last time I needed a few gallons,
I made it. Bein' in a "chemical industry" 'n all...
I don't even remember now where I bought the material, but I do remember
dispersing it in ordinary oil-based wood preservative.
LLoyd
John Martin wrote:
> On Jul 25, 6:54 pm, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Posted to RCM only
>>
>>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:52:49 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, John
>>Martin <[email protected]> quickly quoth:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I want to put a preservative on the siding of my house. House is
>>>roughsawn white cedar clapboards, garage is roughsawn pine board &
>>>batten. When built 24 years ago they used bleaching oil on it, which
>>>gave it a somewhat gray color. All of it has since weathered to just
>>>about the color I want, so I'm not interested in stain.
>>
>>>I do want to preserve it, though. There are a few places where
>>>splashback from rain causes some particular problems, indicating it
>>>might need some special treatment. Generally, though, I want to do
>>>all the siding.
>>
>>>Growing up, we used creosote. The last time I went to buy some I
>>>found it hadn't been sold for years. Plus, it's black and smells and
>>>really isn't what I'd want on siding. Instead I bought green
>>>Cuprinol. Good protection, but still not a color I'd go with for
>>>siding.
>>
>>>I've heard of Penofin which sounds good, but at $40 per gallon and
>>>coverage on rough wood in the neighborhood of 100+ square feet per
>>>gallon, it seems a bit pricey.
>>
>>>Any recommendations?
>>
>>You're OK with creosote? Then you'll love the stinky stuff I found
>>recently for the brown Wolmanized (pressure treated) boards. It's
>>Jasco Termin-8 H2O Brown. $10 a pint at ACE Hardware.
>>
>> - Metaphors Be With You -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
>
>
> Not really OK with the creosote - it does stink and is far from a
> clear finish. I might consider using it - or the Cuprinol - on a
> couple of problem areas only. To do the whole house, though, I'd want
> something clear and a lot less fragrant.
>
> I will admit, though, to having some affection for those smells.
> There was an insect repellent years ago called Old Time Woodsman -
> mostly pine tar and similar ingredients. Worked well, but it stunk
> and was about the color of creosote. If you were going to spend a
> week in the woods, you might as well smell the part. It was off the
> market for some years, but has recently come back.
>
> I see that there is also a Jasco Termin-8 in clear, and will have to
> check it out. I do hope that $10/pint was a mistake, though!
>
> It is disappointing to go into a dedicated paint store (a Benjamin
> Moore dealer) and then a large lumberyard/building supply and not have
> either one have exactly what I want.
>
> John Martin
>
It depends wether your in an urban area or in a farming one.
Here, in the UK, for what its worth you cannot buy creosote in an
urban DIY store, but go to an agricultural /farm type of store , they
have creosote in a light brown in 5 gall drums.
Also our Telephone co, BT still has all its poles pressure creosoted,
as nothinbg last longer.
I put in 100 or so fence posts that had been pressure creosoted, they
were guaranteed to last 25 yrs. Its now 30 yrs and weve only had to
replace about 3.
Cedar siding is nice, Ive some Western red,that I had from a demolition
site some 25 yrs ago, Its as you say light grey but hasnt deteriorated
in our wet climate.
The best is heart oak. With no sap wood.
I used t on my upper storey of my house some 35
yrs ago. Sawn 7in by 3/4 in. Its grey now but 1.16th in in its as hard
and sound as the day I put it up.
With no treatment at all.
Its the tannin in the oak that preserves it.
theres another post material that lasts as long. Thats sweet chestnut.
One possibility for you, is to look for lt brown creosote, then mix it
50/50 with kerosene. youll find that will dry virtually colourless.
Best thing is to run a trial on an unobtrusive part.