The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO
THE MOTOR!
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> May in fact be true for some of their products, perhaps more likely
> for more recent manufacture, but I have a 3/8 B&D drill over 25 years
> old that is still going strong and only recently had to retire a B&D
> 3X21 belt sander that was at least 20 years old.
25+ years ago B & D was a respected name in the tool business. They lost
that probably 15 or 20 years ago when they went with the high volume, cheap
priced consumer quality tools that sell in the discount stores. They sold
out to the high volume bean counters.
J T wrote:
> Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 12:08pm (EST-3) [email protected] doth claimeth:
> The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
> secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
> which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO THE
> MOTOR!
>
> Shucks. I guess this means I'll have to stop using my circular
> saw, the one I got in about 1975. And the sabre saw my son bought me
> about 5 years ago, when the one I bought at about the same time I got my
> circular saw died. And the drill I got along with the circular saw and
> sabre saw. And the sander I got in probably about 1996. And the other
> B&D tools I've accumulated along the way and have had for years, and all
> still work. Next thing you know someone's gonna come along and tell me
> the Craftsman router I've been using for 5-6 years won't last for more
> than 2-3 years.
>
>
>
> JOAT
> Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
> - Eric Hoffer
And I'll have to toss my "VersaPak" drill and driver. Darn. Despite the
fact that
they work just fine for many odd doings around the house, whether or
not used
in concert with my 14.4v PC or ac tools.
Stupid generalizations are just that.
J
J T wrote:
> Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 12:08pm (EST-3) [email protected] doth claimeth:
> The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
> secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
> which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO THE
> MOTOR!
>
> Shucks. I guess this means I'll have to stop using my circular
> saw, the one I got in about 1975. And the sabre saw my son bought me
> about 5 years ago, when the one I bought at about the same time I got my
> circular saw died. And the drill I got along with the circular saw and
> sabre saw. And the sander I got in probably about 1996. And the other
> B&D tools I've accumulated along the way and have had for years, and all
> still work. Next thing you know someone's gonna come along and tell me
> the Craftsman router I've been using for 5-6 years won't last for more
> than 2-3 years.
The solution is simple. Next time you consider buying a B&D tool with
an electric motor in it- take a phillips screwdriver with you and tell
the salesman you'd like to simply take the top plastic housing off and
inspect the motor.
If the salesman says, "NO" , then tells you it comes with a "quality"
90- day guarantee ! ;
that ought to tell you something!.
If it comes with a 2 year guarantee- that means that 50% of the motors
will break apart before the 2 years is up; of that 50%- half the owners
will have lost their purchase receipt; one fourth of them will not make
the effort to return it to the store; and the final fourth will take it
back to the store- an expense that B&D can cover, considering how many
suckers they can sell to.
The same goes for other products that don't have a QUALITY warranty
like: Timex watches; can openers made in China sold at THE DOLLAR STORE
and SATURN CARS (especially used ones driven with TLC)
>
>
> JOAT
> Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
> - Eric Hoffer
[email protected] wrote:
> The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
> secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
> which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO
> THE MOTOR!
>
> [email protected]
Yep, you're right. Nowdays, they are crap for the most part. It's a
lesson we all have to learn in life. When you buy a cheap tool,
sometimes you get crap.
I had a B+D drill die after using it for about a cummulative 2.5 hours.
This was 12 years ago. The motor got so hot that you could actually
smell the insides start to melt/burn.. Unfortunately, I didn't have the
packaging or receipt, so the bastards got away with it. They haven't
gotten a cent from me since though.
Mike Marlow wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> >
> > The solution is simple. Next time you consider buying a B&D tool with
> > an electric motor in it- take a phillips screwdriver with you and tell
> > the salesman you'd like to simply take the top plastic housing off and
> > inspect the motor.
> >
> > If the salesman says, "NO" , then tells you it comes with a "quality"
> > 90- day guarantee ! ;
> > that ought to tell you something!.
> >
>
> Yeah - it ought to tell you that the salesman is smarter than the idiot who
> expects he can bring a screwdriver in to open up the case of a brand new
> tool. I can't imagine any retailer allowing you to randomly open up the
> cases on any Milwaukee tool or any other quality tool, just so you can
> inspect the motor.
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
O.K. then buy it; keep the receipt; then take it apart in your car and
inspect it. When you see that the motor brush assembly is a piece of
crap, put it back together and take it to the return dept.and tell them
you bought a piece of crap and would like to get your money back.
(don't tell them you took it apart)Then buy a good product. Chances are
that even if you re-assembled it wrong- it would still be in better
shape than it came from the BLACK & DECKER factory !!!
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> The solution is simple. Next time you consider buying a B&D tool with
> an electric motor in it- take a phillips screwdriver with you and tell
> the salesman you'd like to simply take the top plastic housing off and
> inspect the motor.
>
> If the salesman says, "NO" , then tells you it comes with a "quality"
> 90- day guarantee ! ;
> that ought to tell you something!.
>
Yeah - it ought to tell you that the salesman is smarter than the idiot who
expects he can bring a screwdriver in to open up the case of a brand new
tool. I can't imagine any retailer allowing you to randomly open up the
cases on any Milwaukee tool or any other quality tool, just so you can
inspect the motor.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
Thu, Dec 21, 2006, 12:08pm (EST-3) [email protected] doth claimeth:
The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO THE
MOTOR!
Shucks. I guess this means I'll have to stop using my circular
saw, the one I got in about 1975. And the sabre saw my son bought me
about 5 years ago, when the one I bought at about the same time I got my
circular saw died. And the drill I got along with the circular saw and
sabre saw. And the sander I got in probably about 1996. And the other
B&D tools I've accumulated along the way and have had for years, and all
still work. Next thing you know someone's gonna come along and tell me
the Craftsman router I've been using for 5-6 years won't last for more
than 2-3 years.
JOAT
Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength.
- Eric Hoffer
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> O.K. then buy it; keep the receipt; then take it apart in your car and
> inspect it. When you see that the motor brush assembly is a piece of
> crap, put it back together and take it to the return dept.and tell them
> you bought a piece of crap and would like to get your money back.
> (don't tell them you took it apart)Then buy a good product. Chances are
> that even if you re-assembled it wrong- it would still be in better
> shape than it came from the BLACK & DECKER factory !!!
>
The last part of your statement - though it was intended to be tongue in
cheek is likely to be the most unfortunate truth of the matter. Ok, so that
was a bit tongue in cheek as well. I'd just stay away from the tool in the
first place. Saves the time of having to look at it, get frustrated by it,
and the sense of pissed-at-self that accompanies having to back out to buy
the real deal. I do buy a fair amount of cheap stuff - depending on what
the item is, but there are some cheap things that I won't go near based on
experiences. Low end power tools as we're discussing here fall into that
category. To me, people who buy Black & Decker really have no complaint
with their quality. It's low end stuff that has unfortunately sunk to the
level of use it and throw it away junk. Such a shame too, since at one time
they really did produce some good tools.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
> secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
> which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO
> THE MOTOR!
In my house, a B & D tool would last 25 years or more. I won't use them.
You should not either. You got exactly what you paid for. Simple homeowner
quality at best and sells at a Wal Mart price. Consider it a lesson
learned.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:6rCih.5459$WS4.4480@trndny07...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
>> secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
>> which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO
>> THE MOTOR!
>
> In my house, a B & D tool would last 25 years or more. I won't use them.
> You should not either. You got exactly what you paid for. Simple
> homeowner quality at best and sells at a Wal Mart price. Consider it a
> lesson learned.
>
I had a B&D worm drive circular saw which looks like the Skill 77 and its
was great. The "professional" electric miter saw was good as well. B&D
workmate table is a life saver. But my B&D drill lasted only a few hours, I
think most of the homeowner line of B&D tools are junk.
In article <[email protected]>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
>The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
>secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
>which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO
>THE MOTOR!
>
> [email protected]
>
May in fact be true for some of their products, perhaps more likely
for more recent manufacture, but I have a 3/8 B&D drill over 25 years
old that is still going strong and only recently had to retire a B&D
3X21 belt sander that was at least 20 years old. And that was because
SWMBO was using it and didn't realize that the belt running off track
and cutting into the inboard side of the tool body was not normal
operation.
--
Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler.
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - [email protected]
On Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:17:43 -0800, "# Fred #" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:6rCih.5459$WS4.4480@trndny07...
>>
>> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> The brushes in their motors are not spring loaded and do not slide in a
>>> secure housing. They are poorly attached to flimsy, thin metal posts
>>> which rust. In 2 to 3 years the posts rust through and fall off INTO
>>> THE MOTOR!
>>
>> In my house, a B & D tool would last 25 years or more. I won't use them.
>> You should not either. You got exactly what you paid for. Simple
>> homeowner quality at best and sells at a Wal Mart price. Consider it a
>> lesson learned.
>>
>
>I had a B&D worm drive circular saw which looks like the Skill 77 and its
>was great. The "professional" electric miter saw was good as well. B&D
>workmate table is a life saver. But my B&D drill lasted only a few hours, I
>think most of the homeowner line of B&D tools are junk.
>
All built to a price point. I doubt that Joe Sixpack is gonna spring
for a Bosch or Porter Cable (for example) drill when he has to drill a
couple of holes to hang the talking fish.
Thank God for choice.
BTW, I choose Porter Cable, Bosch and Milwaukee for most of my own
hand held power tools. So should you if you want a tool to last a
while.