Well, I am going to get clobbered but I have a Craftsman quick-release
vice that I have been very happy with . Bought in the early 70's so I
don't know if they still handle it but I imagine they do. If I were to
do it over again, I would call Lee Valley and ask them to show me the
one they sell. Also, Garrett-Wade has good WW equipment.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:07:57 GMT, "Mike in Mystic"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Hi Dave,
>
>I was curious so I checked out amazon, too. I saw that they DO have the
>Record vises with free shipping and better prices than most anywhere else.
>The 53ED (10.5" width, 15" opening) is only $130. Sure, you'll have to wait
>a few days, maybe 10, to get it, but I think you'll be happier with it. The
>52-1/2ED is only $110 if you have space limitations for the vise mounting.
>
>I think the trigger-controlled quick release (on the Records) is an easier
>(perhaps more intuitive and obvious) way to have a quick-release than the
>Jorgensen, which requires half a turn counter-clockwise to disengage the
>screw.
>
>Mike
Hi Dave,
I was curious so I checked out amazon, too. I saw that they DO have the
Record vises with free shipping and better prices than most anywhere else.
The 53ED (10.5" width, 15" opening) is only $130. Sure, you'll have to wait
a few days, maybe 10, to get it, but I think you'll be happier with it. The
52-1/2ED is only $110 if you have space limitations for the vise mounting.
I think the trigger-controlled quick release (on the Records) is an easier
(perhaps more intuitive and obvious) way to have a quick-release than the
Jorgensen, which requires half a turn counter-clockwise to disengage the
screw.
Mike
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Amazon feedback shows a wide range of opinions of this vise: terrible
> construction and refunds vs "fit and finish are great".
>
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
> > I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
> >
> > Woodcraft 50 miles away is out of stock on Record (out of production, as
> > I'm sure you all know). They have a Jorgensen for $145. Anyone have
> > one of these? Does it hold stuff SUPER SECURELY??
> >
> > dave
> >
>
"Mike in Mystic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I think the trigger-controlled quick release (on the Records) is an easier
> (perhaps more intuitive and obvious) way to have a quick-release than the
> Jorgensen, which requires half a turn counter-clockwise to disengage the
> screw.
That trigger release sounds good as long as you dont have to turn the handle
counter clockwise first to release the tension.. The trigger may have too
much of a load if you dont back off on the clamp first. I personally do not
know but I have a Zyless vise with a quick release to move the jaw in and
out quickly and you have to release the tension before pressing the release.
With that in mind the trigger release may be more trouble if you have to
loosen the tension anyway. Something to check in to.
I could be way off base on that though.
so MAYBE I'm expecting too much from the vise after all. Guess I need
to research "bench slave". Thanks, Juergen. I'll start combing the
web. I looked in Woodcraft; nothing. I presume it's an easily
adjustable bracket or rest that mounts on the front of the bench?
dave
Juergen Hannappel wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
>>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
>>sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>>
>>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
>>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>
>
> As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
> hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
> it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
> board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
> the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
> pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:21:55 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
>
>Woodcraft 50 miles away is out of stock on Record (out of production, as
>I'm sure you all know). They have a Jorgensen for $145. Anyone have
>one of these? Does it hold stuff SUPER SECURELY??
>
>dave
do you have a klingspore shop nearby? they have what looks to be a
good bench vise for around $60.00. its no name but looks prety stout.
skeez
thanks, but I just checked around and don't have that one. I subscribe
to Wood and Fine Woodworking. Perhaps I should add that one to my list!
dave
[email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:40:00 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>so MAYBE I'm expecting too much from the vise after all. Guess I need
>>to research "bench slave". Thanks, Juergen. I'll start combing the
>>web. I looked in Woodcraft; nothing. I presume it's an easily
>>adjustable bracket or rest that mounts on the front of the bench?
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Juergen Hannappel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
>>>>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
>>>>sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>>>>
>>>>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
>>>>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>>>
>>>
>>>As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
>>>hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
>>>it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
>>>board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
>>>the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
>>>pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
>
>
> hi dave. check out american woodworker #104 november 2003 page
> 20.might be helpful and inexpensive solution. skeez
Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon sells
it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
I'm inclined to get the Record like yours at this point...
dave
Mike in Mystic wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> I was curious so I checked out amazon, too. I saw that they DO have the
> Record vises with free shipping and better prices than most anywhere else.
> The 53ED (10.5" width, 15" opening) is only $130. Sure, you'll have to wait
> a few days, maybe 10, to get it, but I think you'll be happier with it. The
> 52-1/2ED is only $110 if you have space limitations for the vise mounting.
>
> I think the trigger-controlled quick release (on the Records) is an easier
> (perhaps more intuitive and obvious) way to have a quick-release than the
> Jorgensen, which requires half a turn counter-clockwise to disengage the
> screw.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
>
> There are no stupid questions.
> There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Amazon feedback shows a wide range of opinions of this vise: terrible
>>construction and refunds vs "fit and finish are great".
>>
>>Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
>>>
>>>Woodcraft 50 miles away is out of stock on Record (out of production, as
>>>I'm sure you all know). They have a Jorgensen for $145. Anyone have
>>>one of these? Does it hold stuff SUPER SECURELY??
>>>
>>>dave
>>>
>>
>
>
Check this out dave: http://www.eisweb.com/steve/bench.html
This is exactly the same bench that I made. I still have to assemble and
attach the twin-screw end vise. If you click through to the third picture
where you see the front of the bench, you can see somewhat what I'm talking
about.
(this is the picture: http://www.eisweb.com/steve/accessories.html)
You see the holes in the front edge of the bench? And the white rag is
sitting on something stuck in the leg? Those holes allow you to put bench
dogs or stops where you can support the far end of long pieces which are
held in the front vise. That's the same vise in that picture I have, by the
way.
Anyway, you should see what is meant by a board jack or bench dog, etc. etc.
Just something to rest the far end of the board on.
Another key feature of this bench that I really liked is that the front edge
of the bench is flush with the front face of the legs, as well as the front
edge being the fixed clamping surface for the vise. This means that the
boards you clamp in place are supported against the bench along their whole
length.
Mike
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:i%[email protected]...
> how about using a roller stand in lie of a bench slave? will that serve
> well enough?
>
> dave
>
> Juergen Hannappel wrote:
>
> > Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >
> >>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
> >>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
> >>sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
> >>
> >>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
> >>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
> >
> >
> > As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
> > hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
> > it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
> > board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
> > the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
> > pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
>
thanks for the clarification, Mike. I'll see how much room I have above
the drawers for something like what you did. If not, I'll rig up
something else.
I'm gonna go out in the shop and clean it up so I can get the drawers
built for my desk! This vise thing preoccupied me yesterday so I didn't
work on the desk. SWMBO is already talking about a small table for next
to her favorite rocker... :)
dave
Mike in Mystic wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> I honestly haven't ever tried to do something like that, but as Juergen
> points out, that really isn't something you'd really want to do in practice
> anyway. If you are using a board longer than say 2x the vise width, you
> should support the free end rather than trying to fix it with increased
> clamping pressure. As I stated in my post about my workbench, I built board
> jack holes into the front legs of the bench which accept 3/4" bench dogs. I
> was able to clamp the 2.75" thick, 6" wide, 5' long hard maple board I was
> using in the front vise, support it with two bench dogs in the legs of the
> bench, and use a hold-down at the far end. Believe me when I say that the
> board was securely held in place and I really didn't have to clamp the vise
> down particularly hard.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
>
> There are no stupid questions.
> There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
>>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon sells
>>it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>>
>>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
>>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>>
>>I'm inclined to get the Record like yours at this point...
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Mike in Mystic wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi Dave,
>>>
>>>I was curious so I checked out amazon, too. I saw that they DO have the
>>>Record vises with free shipping and better prices than most anywhere
>
> else.
>
>>>The 53ED (10.5" width, 15" opening) is only $130. Sure, you'll have to
>
> wait
>
>>>a few days, maybe 10, to get it, but I think you'll be happier with it.
>
> The
>
>>>52-1/2ED is only $110 if you have space limitations for the vise
>
> mounting.
>
>>>I think the trigger-controlled quick release (on the Records) is an
>
> easier
>
>>>(perhaps more intuitive and obvious) way to have a quick-release than
>
> the
>
>>>Jorgensen, which requires half a turn counter-clockwise to disengage the
>>>screw.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>There are no stupid questions.
>>>There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Amazon feedback shows a wide range of opinions of this vise: terrible
>>>>construction and refunds vs "fit and finish are great".
>>>>
>>>>Bay Area Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
>>>>>
>>>>>Woodcraft 50 miles away is out of stock on Record (out of production,
>
> as
>
>>>>>I'm sure you all know). They have a Jorgensen for $145. Anyone have
>>>>>one of these? Does it hold stuff SUPER SECURELY??
>>>>>
>>>>>dave
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
yes, I see what you are referring to. thanks! That looks way more
convenient for getting around the work, but alas I don't have room for a
bench away from the wall. I realized when I built mine that there would
be some drawbacks, but it's gonna have to stay that way. However, for
using the vise, I'll take your advice (and Juergen's) and use something
to support a long board.
I've got 30 days to change my mind on the vise I bought yesterday, so
I'll use it some more and order the Record if the cheapy bugs me too much.
dave
Mike in Mystic wrote:
> Check this out dave: http://www.eisweb.com/steve/bench.html
>
> This is exactly the same bench that I made. I still have to assemble and
> attach the twin-screw end vise. If you click through to the third picture
> where you see the front of the bench, you can see somewhat what I'm talking
> about.
>
> (this is the picture: http://www.eisweb.com/steve/accessories.html)
>
> You see the holes in the front edge of the bench? And the white rag is
> sitting on something stuck in the leg? Those holes allow you to put bench
> dogs or stops where you can support the far end of long pieces which are
> held in the front vise. That's the same vise in that picture I have, by the
> way.
>
> Anyway, you should see what is meant by a board jack or bench dog, etc. etc.
> Just something to rest the far end of the board on.
>
> Another key feature of this bench that I really liked is that the front edge
> of the bench is flush with the front face of the legs, as well as the front
> edge being the fixed clamping surface for the vise. This means that the
> boards you clamp in place are supported against the bench along their whole
> length.
>
> Mike
>
>
> --
>
> There are no stupid questions.
> There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
>
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:i%[email protected]...
>
>>how about using a roller stand in lie of a bench slave? will that serve
>>well enough?
>>
>>dave
>>
>>Juergen Hannappel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
>>>>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
>>>>sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>>>>
>>>>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
>>>>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>>>
>>>
>>>As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
>>>hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
>>>it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
>>>board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
>>>the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
>>>pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
>>
>
>
the store does have those. I was tempted but picked up the cheaper one.
With what Mike and Juergen have said, maybe I expect the vise to hold
more securely than ANY of them will... It WOULD be nice to have a quick
release though.
dave
j wrote:
> Bay Area Dave wrote:
>
>> I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
>
>
> How about the more expensive Shop Fox vise I think the 10" record knock
> off sells for about $65
>
how about using a roller stand in lie of a bench slave? will that serve
well enough?
dave
Juergen Hannappel wrote:
> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>
>
>>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
>>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
>>sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>>
>>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
>>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>
>
> As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
> hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
> it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
> board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
> the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
> pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
Amazon feedback shows a wide range of opinions of this vise: terrible
construction and refunds vs "fit and finish are great".
Bay Area Dave wrote:
> I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
>
> Woodcraft 50 miles away is out of stock on Record (out of production, as
> I'm sure you all know). They have a Jorgensen for $145. Anyone have
> one of these? Does it hold stuff SUPER SECURELY??
>
> dave
>
Hi Dave,
I honestly haven't ever tried to do something like that, but as Juergen
points out, that really isn't something you'd really want to do in practice
anyway. If you are using a board longer than say 2x the vise width, you
should support the free end rather than trying to fix it with increased
clamping pressure. As I stated in my post about my workbench, I built board
jack holes into the front legs of the bench which accept 3/4" bench dogs. I
was able to clamp the 2.75" thick, 6" wide, 5' long hard maple board I was
using in the front vise, support it with two bench dogs in the legs of the
bench, and use a hold-down at the far end. Believe me when I say that the
board was securely held in place and I really didn't have to clamp the vise
down particularly hard.
Mike
--
There are no stupid questions.
There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
> canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon sells
> it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>
> So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
> you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>
> I'm inclined to get the Record like yours at this point...
>
> dave
>
> Mike in Mystic wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
> >
> > I was curious so I checked out amazon, too. I saw that they DO have the
> > Record vises with free shipping and better prices than most anywhere
else.
> > The 53ED (10.5" width, 15" opening) is only $130. Sure, you'll have to
wait
> > a few days, maybe 10, to get it, but I think you'll be happier with it.
The
> > 52-1/2ED is only $110 if you have space limitations for the vise
mounting.
> >
> > I think the trigger-controlled quick release (on the Records) is an
easier
> > (perhaps more intuitive and obvious) way to have a quick-release than
the
> > Jorgensen, which requires half a turn counter-clockwise to disengage the
> > screw.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > There are no stupid questions.
> > There are a LOT of inquisitive idiots.
> >
> >
> > "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >>Amazon feedback shows a wide range of opinions of this vise: terrible
> >>construction and refunds vs "fit and finish are great".
> >>
> >>Bay Area Dave wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I tried a cheap Shop Fox vise yesterday. didn't hold wood well.
> >>>
> >>>Woodcraft 50 miles away is out of stock on Record (out of production,
as
> >>>I'm sure you all know). They have a Jorgensen for $145. Anyone have
> >>>one of these? Does it hold stuff SUPER SECURELY??
> >>>
> >>>dave
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:32:21 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>thanks, but I just checked around and don't have that one. I subscribe
>to Wood and Fine Woodworking. Perhaps I should add that one to my list!
>
>dave
>
ok. i'll try to explain it.mount a 't' track to the leg of your bench.
mount it in a board with a slot cut in it vertically. you want this to
be flush with your bench top so pad it as needed. drill a hole in
another board and use a threaded knob to hold this to the board with
the 't' slot in it verticaly. use 2 knobs if ya want to. mount a hold
down clamp to that board near the top so the hold down screw is above
the end of the board.now you can lower or raise the support block to
whatever height you desire. set your workpeice in the vise and accross
the top of your support block and lock it there with the hold down
clamp. hope you got akll that. i got pics here so its easier for me to
understand!!! lol. the ol lady has a scanner but i dont know how to
work it so i guess your SOL there. sorry. skeez
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:40:00 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote:
>so MAYBE I'm expecting too much from the vise after all. Guess I need
>to research "bench slave". Thanks, Juergen. I'll start combing the
>web. I looked in Woodcraft; nothing. I presume it's an easily
>adjustable bracket or rest that mounts on the front of the bench?
>
>dave
>
>Juergen Hannappel wrote:
>
>> Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
>>
>>
>>>Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
>>>canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
>>>sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>>>
>>>So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
>>>you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
>>
>>
>> As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
>> hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
>> it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
>> board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
>> the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
>> pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
hi dave. check out american woodworker #104 november 2003 page
20.might be helpful and inexpensive solution. skeez
Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
> how about using a roller stand in lie of a bench slave? will that
> serve well enough?
Anything that holds up the end of the board will work. A bench slave
is not a thing to buy but to build, it's just a post on a stand with
an adjustable stop on which the board may rest.
http://www.sign-lang.uni-hamburg.de/TLex/Legende/L0/L57.htm shows a picture.
--
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Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> writes:
> Mike, I CAN wait on this, as long as I know what I'm getting. I
> canceled a trip up north to look at the Jorgensen at $145. amazon
> sells it for $115, no tax. But the reviews are iffy as you can see.
>
> So on the 52 1/2. Does it hold a board so tightly, with ease, that if
> you grab say a 3 foot long board and wiggle HARD, it won't move?
As i already wrote in another answer in another thread: No vise will
hold a 3 foot board so that with the 3 foot lever arm you cannot get
it to move, and if you come close to that thightness you crush the
board. What you need is some support for the unclamped board end, in
the form of a bench slave or peg in the bench leg so that the planes
pressure on the board does not try to rotate it in the vise.
--
Dr. Juergen Hannappel http://lisa2.physik.uni-bonn.de/~hannappe
mailto:[email protected] Phone: +49 228 73 2447 FAX ... 7869
Physikalisches Institut der Uni Bonn Nussallee 12, D-53115 Bonn, Germany
CERN: Phone: +412276 76461 Fax: ..77930 Bat. 892-R-A13 CH-1211 Geneve 23