and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do they sharpen
razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I do not shave each day.]
Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the millions every shift. Are there any
clues in their secret methods which would be helpful to woodworkers? I am just
guessing now, but I think the makers use a procedure with a narrow steel alloy ribbon
about a mile or more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or both sides,
then blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of cake. How do
they sharpen that edge?
Hoyt W.
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers <[email protected]>
wrote:
>and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do they sharpen
>razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I do not shave each day.]
Either you are getting a lot better blades than I can or my beard is
awfully tough. I only have to shave my neck (full beard) and only do
it 2-3 times a week. Two shaves is about the limit on any of the
disposable razors, sometimes 3 on the replaceable cartridges.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>Non. There's too much traffic here. Stuff gets lost in the fray.
>
> See the thread on my wood page at www.diversify.com/wood for the
> uptime lowdown on the aforementioned gloat.
Urf. You SUCK!
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:10:08 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>> TTSTS(tmLJ), Bubba.
>>>
>>>Tiny Titted Seminude Taiwanese Strippers (that makes Long Johnsons)?
>>
>> I'll take two. (They're small.)
>>
>>
>>>> (Time To Start TOSSIN' SHIT) Caution: Do Not Use on Soft Wreck
>>>
>>>Oh. I like mine better.
>>
>> Me, too. Send a couple over right now, will ya. I'll have them
>> dance on my sore back. (You DID see the Mahogany thread, oui?)
>
>Non. There's too much traffic here. Stuff gets lost in the fray.
See the thread on my wood page at www.diversify.com/wood for the
uptime lowdown on the aforementioned gloat.
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:17 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>My current black hole for money is musical instruments and
>related pari... pare... pariphen... um... stuff.
>
>I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
>
>(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
or until you get into _making_ musical instruments....
"Hoyt Weathers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> they sharpen
> razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I do not shave
> each day.]
> Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the millions every shift. Are
> there any
> clues in their secret methods which would be helpful to woodworkers? I am
> just
> guessing now, but I think the makers use a procedure with a narrow steel
> alloy ribbon
> about a mile or more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or
> both sides,
> then blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of
> cake. How do
> they sharpen that edge?
>
> Hoyt W.
I recall this topic coming up on rec.knives and they use a technique called
vapour honing. Can't remember much about it but I imagine it is still in
the archives.
Fraser
I think they must use a fairly soft metal that can take an extremely sharp
edge, because the blades arent' meant to last long or be re-used. Unlike the
OP, I have to shave every day, and I use the same blade no more than three or
four times, because my beard is pretty tough (not a boast, in fact it's a real
pain), and the quality of the shave declines markedly after that.
Remember how much shots hurt when you were a kid? It was partly because you
were a kid, of course, but mainly because the needles were re-used, and harder,
and couldn't be as sharp or as thin as the disposable ones they use today. Same
idea applies to razor blades.
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:45:29 GMT, Ken Muldrew <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Have you noticed that a carbide tipped blade is harder than wood and it also
>>dulls?
>
> Yes, and I find that confusing as well. Although wood can have a lot
> more inclusions of hard minerals than beard (or so I would guess). I
> have a piece of desert ironwood that works as sandpaper.
I think it's more that the edge is _brittle_. Sure, glass is harder
than wood, but you can break bits off of the edge of a sheet of glass with
a piece of wood. On a microscopic level, I imagine this is what is happening
to our nice sharp edges when we touch wood (or whiskers) to them.
Lacking an electron microsocope, I can't personally test this theory.
> That's the part that I don't understand. Why does it wear away. The
> hair should wear before the steel.
I think it's chipping away, not wearing away.
Dave Hinz
Tim Douglass wrote:
>>You must just have sensitive widdle skin. :)
>
> Unfortunately it's true. One of the reasons I have had a beard for 20
> years is that shaving makes me break out in a horrid rash. By only
> doing it a couple times a week I get by.
Actually, me too. Those little patches I shave stay broken out. Maybe
because I'm so cheap I'm using a dull ass blade, whaddaya think? :)
> Think of all the money you are saving... Now turn that saved money
> into tools.
Or something. My current black hole for money is musical instruments and
related pari... pare... pariphen... um... stuff.
I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> I stopped growing hair for the same reason. Eight bucks every three weeks
> or so now go for more important things. Like tools.
Three weeks hell. Twelve bucks every six to nine months. :)
I got sick of that though, and now I'm Mr. Buzz. $12 once, then free
haircuts for years. Looks terrible, but who cares?
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On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:09:09 GMT, Xane T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> A corollary to this whole thread: Why do razor blade companies compete
> against themselves with multiple kinds of razors? I can understand
> having different levels of quality (Sensor, Sensor XL, etc), or having
> different uses (for coarse hair, for sensitive skin, etc), but most
> razor companies simply make multiple kinds of razors with little
> explanation as to any kind of differences in them. Wouldn't it make
> more sense to promote one kind of razor as better than the
> competitor's brands?
Well, like toothbrushes, sugar, salt, and a number of other consumer goods,
there aren't any real differences between one brand and another. They
have to differentiate their product _somehow_, so they do it by
marketing surveys, test groups, and that sort of thing. In a world
where there are no real differences, having a larger number of choices
be from your company is one way to increase market share.
It's all marketing bullshit, nothing more. They send you a "sample"
for free, only their blades fit that handle, and for reasons they understand
but don't make any sense, men won't throw away a perfectly good handle -
so we'll keep buying blades from 'em.
Dave Hinz
Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:09:09 GMT, Xane T. <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > A corollary to this whole thread: Why do razor blade companies compete
> > against themselves with multiple kinds of razors?
Not to mention that if they predominate on the shelves, they'll likely get
the majority of the sales. Companies that have big selling power, can also
ask for and get "slotting fees"- money to simply give a particular product
producer the "best" spot on the shelf. Pat
Larry Jaques wrote:
> Prollyso, Sylvie. (Welcome back, BTW)
Thanks... You ever finish that whateveryouwereworkingon?
> I found that washing my face with soap and water 15 minutes before (or
> using alcohol on a washrag just before) using the electric shaver
> worked well to keep the rash down. hand lotion on the shaved area
> helps, too. I think my shaver gets(wood and other) dust in it if I
> forget to clean up first.
Electric shaver? O_o
>>Or something. My current black hole for money is musical instruments and
>>related pari... pare... pariphen... um... stuff.
>
> Paraphernalia.
> DAMHIKT
I think I might can figure out how you know. I never could get close enough
for the dictionary to figure out what the hell I was trying to say.
(Actually a bit unusual for someone as big of a word dork as I am.) When I
looked it up:
1. (Law) Something reserved to a wife, over and above her
dower, being chiefly apparel and ornaments suited to her
degree.
Makes me wonder...
>>I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
>
> Lying bastid.
>
>
>>(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
>
> Oh, OK. Never mind my last comment.
Either I gotta quit with the tools or I gotta go on a good diet. It's
getting hard to squeeze my fat ass into my little tiny shop since I got
that contractor's saw.
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[email protected] wrote:
>>I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
>>
>>(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
>
>
> or until you get into _making_ musical instruments....
I'd love to, but there's a looooooooot of learning curve to tackle. Like
bending wood for one thing. I don't do so good on curvy things.
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Larry Jaques wrote:
> Google it. "paraphenalia"
> Did you mean "paraphernalia"?
I'm not sure what I'm looking for there. The incorrect spelling seems to
have more pot-related stuff.
> What, ya looked it up in the Hernia Edition? My collegiate copy
> has n. pl. 1. personal belongings. 2. equipment, trappings.
The 1913 Webster's (because it's online in a convenient to browse format,
basically; I can just type the word into my status bar flummy and go)
> Build more elevated cabinets. I'm in the same predicament, and
> I already lost some weight. (Half of it found me again, blast it.)
Ain't got no wall space, Chief. The roof is one of those, well, I can't
draw it with slashes. Anyway, the side walls are only about 4' tall. The
back wall already has a ton o' cabinets and hang'ems, and the front wall is
all door.
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Larry Jaques wrote:
>>Ain't got no wall space, Chief. The roof is one of those, well, I can't
>>draw it with slashes. Anyway, the side walls are only about 4' tall. The
>>back wall already has a ton o' cabinets and hang'ems, and the front wall
>>is all door.
>
> TTSTS(tmLJ), Bubba.
Tiny Titted Seminude Taiwanese Strippers (that makes Long Johnsons)?
> (Time To Start TOSSIN' SHIT) Caution: Do Not Use on Soft Wreck
Oh. I like mine better.
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Larry Jaques wrote:
>>> TTSTS(tmLJ), Bubba.
>>
>>Tiny Titted Seminude Taiwanese Strippers (that makes Long Johnsons)?
>
> I'll take two. (They're small.)
>
>
>>> (Time To Start TOSSIN' SHIT) Caution: Do Not Use on Soft Wreck
>>
>>Oh. I like mine better.
>
> Me, too. Send a couple over right now, will ya. I'll have them
> dance on my sore back. (You DID see the Mahogany thread, oui?)
Non. There's too much traffic here. Stuff gets lost in the fray.
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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:43:34 -0700, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:31:16 -0400, Silvan
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> I stopped growing hair for the same reason. Eight bucks every three weeks
>>> or so now go for more important things. Like tools.
>>
>>Three weeks hell. Twelve bucks every six to nine months. :)
>>
>>I got sick of that though, and now I'm Mr. Buzz. $12 once, then free
>>haircuts for years. Looks terrible, but who cares?
>
>If I didn't stand up in front of a bunch of people regularly I, too,
>would go for the quick and dirty buzz. I hate getting haircuts.
I just have my wife do it. I had one or two bad ones as she was
learning how, but now she does a pretty good job doing a standard
business-type haircut.
>Tim Douglass
>
>http://www.DouglassClan.com
Yup. Those guys from the Ottawa Valley are a tough lot. I happen to know that a
lot of them use chisels to shave. JG
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers wrote:
>
> > and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> > they sharpen razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I
> > do not shave each day.] Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the
> > millions every shift. Are there any clues in their secret methods which
> > would be helpful to woodworkers? I am just guessing now, but I think the
> > makers use a procedure with a narrow steel alloy ribbon about a mile or
> > more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or both sides, then
> > blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of cake.
> > How do they sharpen that edge?
> >
> > Hoyt W.
>
> Don't know how shaving razors are sharpened, but according to Leonard Lee
> you can sharpen your plane irons and chisels to an even better edge.
> There is a difference in angles and definitely a different shaving
> technique.
>
> -Doug
>
> --
> "It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among
> [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between
> political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person,
> the hatred they bore to his political opinions." --Thomas Jefferson
Hi Edwin,
It's not just secrets. On a trivia show one time they mentioned that there
were more patents issued/pending on shaving gear than any other household
item. Cheers, JG
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
> "Hoyt Weathers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ...
> > and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> > they sharpen
> > razor blades?
>
> It's a secret. Honest. Gillette in Boston was a customer of mine. It is the
> only company where I could not get into the plant. They never discussed
> things like that at all. Only think I know is that the material is in a
> band and then cut.
>
> They did have a group of employees that came to work everyday and shaved on
> company time. They evaluated new razors and did durability tests on
> existing ones.
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>Don't know how shaving razors are sharpened, but according to Leonard Lee
>you can sharpen your plane irons and chisels to an even better edge.
You can also sharpen disposable razor blades to an even better edge
just by stropping them on leather treated with a green crayon
(chromium oxide).
I still don't understand how a steel razor blade dulls so quickly
cutting hair. The difference in hardness is enormous and yet somehow
the razor's edge deteriorates.
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Ken Muldrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> I still don't understand how a steel razor blade dulls so quickly
>> cutting hair. The difference in hardness is enormous and yet somehow
>> the razor's edge deteriorates.
>
>Have you noticed that a carbide tipped blade is harder than wood and it also
>dulls?
Yes, and I find that confusing as well. Although wood can have a lot
more inclusions of hard minerals than beard (or so I would guess). I
have a piece of desert ironwood that works as sandpaper.
>The hardness is enormous at the back of the blade but at the cutting
>edge you can make it flex by simply rubbing you thumb nail against it. The
>micro thin edge is very thin and simply wears away.
That's the part that I don't understand. Why does it wear away. The
hair should wear before the steel.
> When I sharpen my
>chisels I get a wire edge that is more flexible than aluminum foil.
The wire edge is mostly separate from the blade. That it is more
flexible than a hair (if it is) does not explain why a hair will take
a chunk out of the steel.
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
A corollary to this whole thread: Why do razor blade companies compete
against themselves with multiple kinds of razors? I can understand
having different levels of quality (Sensor, Sensor XL, etc), or having
different uses (for coarse hair, for sensitive skin, etc), but most
razor companies simply make multiple kinds of razors with little
explanation as to any kind of differences in them. Wouldn't it make
more sense to promote one kind of razor as better than the
competitor's brands?
"Hoyt Weathers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> they sharpen
> razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I do not shave
> each day.]
> Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the millions every shift. Are
> there any
> clues in their secret methods which would be helpful to woodworkers? I am
> just
> guessing now, but I think the makers use a procedure with a narrow steel
> alloy ribbon
> about a mile or more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or
> both sides,
> then blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of
> cake. How do
> they sharpen that edge?
And why do they not use the same materials after the product has been on the
market for a year or so. 4 or 5 years ago I got a sample razor with 2
refills IIRC. It was a double blade coated with near microscopic diamonds.
No kidding, I used the first razor for 1 year, but not shaving every day,
before changing to one of the refills. The refills lasted quite long also.
When I bought replacements, I was less than impressed. 1 month was about
it.
Tim Douglass wrote:
> Either you are getting a lot better blades than I can or my beard is
> awfully tough. I only have to shave my neck (full beard) and only do
> it 2-3 times a week. Two shaves is about the limit on any of the
> disposable razors, sometimes 3 on the replaceable cartridges.
You must just have sensitive widdle skin. :) I do a couple patches on my
cheeks and my neck once a week, and those cartridge deals last... Well, I
have no idea how long they last, but I bought a 10 pack of them in the '90s
sometime, and I'm not out of them yet.
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Hoyt Weathers <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do they sharpen
> razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I do not shave each day.]
They stay sharp for a month because you're not cutting wood with them.
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:17 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>>>You must just have sensitive widdle skin. :)
>>
>> Unfortunately it's true. One of the reasons I have had a beard for 20
>> years is that shaving makes me break out in a horrid rash. By only
>> doing it a couple times a week I get by.
>
>Actually, me too. Those little patches I shave stay broken out. Maybe
>because I'm so cheap I'm using a dull ass blade, whaddaya think? :)
Prollyso, Sylvie. (Welcome back, BTW)
I found that washing my face with soap and water 15 minutes before (or
using alcohol on a washrag just before) using the electric shaver
worked well to keep the rash down. hand lotion on the shaved area
helps, too. I think my shaver gets(wood and other) dust in it if I
forget to clean up first.
>> Think of all the money you are saving... Now turn that saved money
>> into tools.
>
>Or something. My current black hole for money is musical instruments and
>related pari... pare... pariphen... um... stuff.
Paraphernalia.
DAMHIKT
>I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
Lying bastid.
>(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
Oh, OK. Never mind my last comment.
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JGS <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Yup. Those guys from the Ottawa Valley are a tough lot. I happen to know that a
> lot of them use chisels to shave. JG
>
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers wrote:
> >
> > > and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> > > they sharpen razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I
> > > do not shave each day.] Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the
> > > millions every shift. Are there any clues in their secret methods which
> > > would be helpful to woodworkers? I am just guessing now, but I think the
> > > makers use a procedure with a narrow steel alloy ribbon about a mile or
> > > more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or both sides, then
> > > blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of cake.
> > > How do they sharpen that edge?
> > >
> > > Hoyt W.
> >
> > Don't know how shaving razors are sharpened, but according to Leonard Lee
> > you can sharpen your plane irons and chisels to an even better edge.
> > There is a difference in angles and definitely a different shaving
> > technique.
> >
> > -Doug
> >
> > --
> > "It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among
> > [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between
> > political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person,
> > the hatred they bore to his political opinions." --Thomas Jefferson
Shave? SHAVE??! I jes pound 'em in and bite em off!
On 21 Oct 2004 15:53:30 -0700, [email protected] (Gary DeWitt) wrote:
>Shave? SHAVE??! I jes pound 'em in and bite em off!
Ah... "I can tell you are a logger, and not just a common bum..."
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:14:12 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Either I gotta quit with the tools or I gotta go on a good diet. It's
>getting hard to squeeze my fat ass into my little tiny shop since I got
>that contractor's saw.
Let's not even go there....
Dr. wants me to lose 50lbs. :-(
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:22:12 +0000, [email protected]
(Robert Bonomi) calmly ranted:
>In article <[email protected]>,
>Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di\/ersify.com> wrote:
>>>> Think of all the money you are saving... Now turn that saved money
>>>> into tools.
>>>
>>>Or something. My current black hole for money is musical instruments and
>>>related pari... pare... pariphen... um... stuff.
>>
>>Paraphernalia.
>>DAMHIKT
>
>Food for thought: if _that_ is merely _para_phernalia, ever wonder what
>the *real*thing* -- simply 'phernalia' -- is like??
You've been talkin' to Tawm again, haven't you, Bawb?
<Insert Twilight Zone music here>
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I too had Gillette as a client. In order to get into the sharpening area, I
had to sign a secrecy agreement. Sorry.
"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Hoyt Weathers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> ...
> > and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> > they sharpen
> > razor blades?
>
> It's a secret. Honest. Gillette in Boston was a customer of mine. It is
the
> only company where I could not get into the plant. They never discussed
> things like that at all. Only think I know is that the material is in a
> band and then cut.
>
> They did have a group of employees that came to work everyday and shaved
on
> company time. They evaluated new razors and did durability tests on
> existing ones.
>
>
>
"Ken Muldrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> I still don't understand how a steel razor blade dulls so quickly
> cutting hair. The difference in hardness is enormous and yet somehow
> the razor's edge deteriorates.
Have you noticed that a carbide tipped blade is harder than wood and it also
dulls? The hardness is enormous at the back of the blade but at the cutting
edge you can make it flex by simply rubbing you thumb nail against it. The
micro thin edge is very thin and simply wears away. When I sharpen my
chisels I get a wire edge that is more flexible than aluminum foil.
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:42:21 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>> Either you are getting a lot better blades than I can or my beard is
>> awfully tough. I only have to shave my neck (full beard) and only do
>> it 2-3 times a week. Two shaves is about the limit on any of the
>> disposable razors, sometimes 3 on the replaceable cartridges.
>
>You must just have sensitive widdle skin. :)
Unfortunately it's true. One of the reasons I have had a beard for 20
years is that shaving makes me break out in a horrid rash. By only
doing it a couple times a week I get by.
I do a couple patches on my
>cheeks and my neck once a week, and those cartridge deals last... Well, I
>have no idea how long they last, but I bought a 10 pack of them in the '90s
>sometime, and I'm not out of them yet.
Think of all the money you are saving... Now turn that saved money
into tools.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:32:24 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>
>>>Non. There's too much traffic here. Stuff gets lost in the fray.
>>
>> See the thread on my wood page at www.diversify.com/wood for the
>> uptime lowdown on the aforementioned gloat.
>
>Urf. You SUCK!
HEY! That's what I was looking for. <titter> But I'm too sore today
to do anything with any of it. <sigh>
--
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unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over
150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and
the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:42:21 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Tim Douglass wrote:
>
>> Either you are getting a lot better blades than I can or my beard is
>> awfully tough. I only have to shave my neck (full beard) and only do
>> it 2-3 times a week. Two shaves is about the limit on any of the
>> disposable razors, sometimes 3 on the replaceable cartridges.
>
>You must just have sensitive widdle skin. :) I do a couple patches on my
>cheeks and my neck once a week, and those cartridge deals last... Well, I
>have no idea how long they last, but I bought a 10 pack of them in the '90s
>sometime, and I'm not out of them yet.
That's pretty good. I use the Gillette disposables (Good News III ?)
and they last 3-4 months shaving each day. If I don't shave for a
couple of days over a weekend, it gets a bit of a brutal and painful
mission, but one should be frugal!
Barry Lennox
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 23:46:19 -0500, Australopithecus scobis
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:03:25 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Yeah, my small amound of facial hair comes off in 30 seconds
>> with one of those vs. half an hour in the bathroom softening
>> hair enough to use a straight razor or Bic on my sensitive
>> skin.
>
>Ya know, I just can't help thinking "tear out" when you describe your
>shaving woes. Too bad the Bic doesn't have an adjustable mouth... 8^0
Right, and don't even THINK of trying to ScarySharpen a Bic.
They're more like Rali planes, KWIM,V?
--
"If the promise of the Declaration of Independence is ever to be fulfilled,
it will be the Libertarian Party which fulfills it. If the Constitution is
ever again treated as what it calls itself "The Supreme Law of the Land"
then it will be the Libertarian Party which forces it to be treated that
way. The Republicans and Democrats wont do it. So the future of the
Libertarian Party is tied to the future of America. If we go down, it
goes down with us. If America gets itself back onto the right course,
it will be our hands on the tiller." --Michael Badnarik
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers <[email protected]>
wrote:
>How do they sharpen razor blades?
_Really_ _Big_ pyramids
Tue, Oct 19, 2004, 12:43am (EDT+5) [email protected]
(Andy=A0Dingley) claims:
_Really_ _Big_ pyramids
Oh, that's just plain silly.
Obviousiy, they use a bunch of little pyramids.
JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker
"Ken Muldrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Ken Muldrew" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> I still don't understand how a steel razor blade dulls so quickly
>>> cutting hair. The difference in hardness is enormous and yet somehow
>>> the razor's edge deteriorates.
>>
>>Have you noticed that a carbide tipped blade is harder than wood and it
>>also
>>dulls?
>
> Yes, and I find that confusing as well. Although wood can have a lot
> more inclusions of hard minerals than beard (or so I would guess). I
> have a piece of desert ironwood that works as sandpaper.
>
>>The hardness is enormous at the back of the blade but at the cutting
>>edge you can make it flex by simply rubbing you thumb nail against it.
>>The
>>micro thin edge is very thin and simply wears away.
>
> That's the part that I don't understand. Why does it wear away. The
> hair should wear before the steel.
then why does water erode granite cliffs?
>
>> When I sharpen my
>>chisels I get a wire edge that is more flexible than aluminum foil.
>
> The wire edge is mostly separate from the blade. That it is more
> flexible than a hair (if it is) does not explain why a hair will take
> a chunk out of the steel.
>
> Ken Muldrew
> [email protected]
> (remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Tim Douglass wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:14:12 -0400, Silvan
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Either I gotta quit with the tools or I gotta go on a good diet. It's
>>getting hard to squeeze my fat ass into my little tiny shop since I got
>>that contractor's saw.
>
>
> Let's not even go there....
>
> Dr. wants me to lose 50lbs. :-(
>
> Tim Douglass
>
> http://www.DouglassClan.com
Not to worry. My uncle went to a gym for the first time and lost 40 lbs
in one day. Ayup. One of the machines tore his leg off. [old joke alert!]
zorp,
jo4hn
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:17:36 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>>>Ain't got no wall space, Chief. The roof is one of those, well, I can't
>>>draw it with slashes. Anyway, the side walls are only about 4' tall. The
>>>back wall already has a ton o' cabinets and hang'ems, and the front wall
>>>is all door.
>>
>> TTSTS(tmLJ), Bubba.
>
>Tiny Titted Seminude Taiwanese Strippers (that makes Long Johnsons)?
I'll take two. (They're small.)
>> (Time To Start TOSSIN' SHIT) Caution: Do Not Use on Soft Wreck
>
>Oh. I like mine better.
Me, too. Send a couple over right now, will ya. I'll have them
dance on my sore back. (You DID see the Mahogany thread, oui?)
--
"Excess regulation and government spending destroy jobs and increase
unemployment. Every regulator we fire results in the creation of over
150 new jobs, enough to hire the ex-regulator, the unemployed, and
the able-bodied poor." -Michael Badnarik
VOTE LIBERTARIAN ON NOVEMBER 2, 2004 OR YOU WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 22:43:16 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Google it. "paraphenalia"
>> Did you mean "paraphernalia"?
>
>I'm not sure what I'm looking for there. The incorrect spelling seems to
>have more pot-related stuff.
>
>> What, ya looked it up in the Hernia Edition? My collegiate copy
>> has n. pl. 1. personal belongings. 2. equipment, trappings.
>
>The 1913 Webster's (because it's online in a convenient to browse format,
>basically; I can just type the word into my status bar flummy and go)
>
>> Build more elevated cabinets. I'm in the same predicament, and
>> I already lost some weight. (Half of it found me again, blast it.)
>
>Ain't got no wall space, Chief. The roof is one of those, well, I can't
>draw it with slashes. Anyway, the side walls are only about 4' tall. The
>back wall already has a ton o' cabinets and hang'ems, and the front wall is
>all door.
TTSTS(tmLJ), Bubba.
(Time To Start TOSSIN' SHIT) Caution: Do Not Use on Soft Wreck
--
"If the promise of the Declaration of Independence is ever to be fulfilled,
it will be the Libertarian Party which fulfills it. If the Constitution is
ever again treated as what it calls itself "The Supreme Law of the Land"
then it will be the Libertarian Party which forces it to be treated that
way. The Republicans and Democrats wont do it. So the future of the
Libertarian Party is tied to the future of America. If we go down, it
goes down with us. If America gets itself back onto the right course,
it will be our hands on the tiller." --Michael Badnarik
"bugbear" <bugbear@trim_papermule_trim.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote:
>> It was a double blade coated with near microscopic diamonds.
>
> Not sure why covering a sharp edge with a (durable)
> powder would be a good thing.
>
> BugBear
The blade stays sharper longer... at least 175 shaves with one blade.
"Hoyt Weathers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
...
> and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> they sharpen
> razor blades?
It's a secret. Honest. Gillette in Boston was a customer of mine. It is the
only company where I could not get into the plant. They never discussed
things like that at all. Only think I know is that the material is in a
band and then cut.
They did have a group of employees that came to work everyday and shaved on
company time. They evaluated new razors and did durability tests on
existing ones.
"Tim Douglass" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Think of all the money you are saving... Now turn that saved money
> into tools.
>
I stopped growing hair for the same reason. Eight bucks every three weeks
or so now go for more important things. Like tools.
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:14:12 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Prollyso, Sylvie. (Welcome back, BTW)
>
>Thanks... You ever finish that whateveryouwereworkingon?
Nah, I need something to keep working toward. ;)
That said, I hope to have the carving bench done this weekend.
>Electric shaver? O_o
Yeah, my small amound of facial hair comes off in 30 seconds
with one of those vs. half an hour in the bathroom softening
hair enough to use a straight razor or Bic on my sensitive
skin.
>>>Or something. My current black hole for money is musical instruments and
>>>related pari... pare... pariphen... um... stuff.
>>
>> Paraphernalia.
>> DAMHIKT
>
>I think I might can figure out how you know. I never could get close enough
>for the dictionary to figure out what the hell I was trying to say.
Google it. "paraphenalia"
Did you mean "paraphernalia"?
Yes.
"define: paraphernalia"
Google is one helluva nice resource center. Go to their home
page and learn more about it. You may be missing half a dozen
different features all worth their weight in gold, pard.
>(Actually a bit unusual for someone as big of a word dork as I am.) When I
>looked it up:
>
> 1. (Law) Something reserved to a wife, over and above her
> dower, being chiefly apparel and ornaments suited to her
> degree.
>
>Makes me wonder...
What, ya looked it up in the Hernia Edition? My collegiate copy
has n. pl. 1. personal belongings. 2. equipment, trappings.
>Either I gotta quit with the tools or I gotta go on a good diet. It's
>getting hard to squeeze my fat ass into my little tiny shop since I got
>that contractor's saw.
Build more elevated cabinets. I'm in the same predicament, and
I already lost some weight. (Half of it found me again, blast it.)
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On 21 Oct 2004 17:22:31 GMT, Dave Hinz <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:09:09 GMT, Xane T. <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> A corollary to this whole thread: Why do razor blade companies compete
>> against themselves with multiple kinds of razors? I can understand
>> having different levels of quality (Sensor, Sensor XL, etc), or having
>> different uses (for coarse hair, for sensitive skin, etc), but most
>> razor companies simply make multiple kinds of razors with little
>> explanation as to any kind of differences in them. Wouldn't it make
>> more sense to promote one kind of razor as better than the
>> competitor's brands?
>
>Well, like toothbrushes, sugar, salt, and a number of other consumer goods,
>there aren't any real differences between one brand and another. They
>have to differentiate their product _somehow_, so they do it by
>marketing surveys, test groups, and that sort of thing. In a world
>where there are no real differences, having a larger number of choices
>be from your company is one way to increase market share.
>
>It's all marketing bullshit, nothing more. They send you a "sample"
>for free, only their blades fit that handle, and for reasons they understand
>but don't make any sense, men won't throw away a perfectly good handle -
>so we'll keep buying blades from 'em.
I gave up on that a couple of years ago- I discovered that the cheap
disposible ones last as long or longer than the refills for the ones
with the *free* handle, and work just as good- for $1.25 instead of
$20!
>Dave Hinz
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:16:56 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>
>>>I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
>>>
>>>(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
>>
>>
>> or until you get into _making_ musical instruments....
>
>I'd love to, but there's a looooooooot of learning curve to tackle. Like
>bending wood for one thing. I don't do so good on curvy things.
curves are the fun part.
and think of all the tools you can get.....
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers wrote:
> and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
> they sharpen razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I
> do not shave each day.] Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the
> millions every shift. Are there any clues in their secret methods which
> would be helpful to woodworkers? I am just guessing now, but I think the
> makers use a procedure with a narrow steel alloy ribbon about a mile or
> more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or both sides, then
> blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of cake.
> How do they sharpen that edge?
>
> Hoyt W.
Don't know how shaving razors are sharpened, but according to Leonard Lee
you can sharpen your plane irons and chisels to an even better edge.
There is a difference in angles and definitely a different shaving
technique.
-Doug
--
"It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among
[my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between
political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person,
the hatred they bore to his political opinions." --Thomas Jefferson
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:35:44 +0000, Dave Hinz wrote:
>> That's the part that I don't understand. Why does it wear away. The
>> hair should wear before the steel.
>
> I think it's chipping away, not wearing away.
Also bending, flowing, and generally deforming. Think of the point
pressure you achieve when pushing a very sharp blade against a round
object.
While googling around for sharpening info, I saw one grade of
material that used talc as the abrasive. Mighty slow cutting, one would
think.
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 15:03:25 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote:
> Yeah, my small amound of facial hair comes off in 30 seconds
> with one of those vs. half an hour in the bathroom softening
> hair enough to use a straight razor or Bic on my sensitive
> skin.
Ya know, I just can't help thinking "tear out" when you describe your
shaving woes. Too bad the Bic doesn't have an adjustable mouth... 8^0
--
"Keep your ass behind you"
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:43:07 +0100, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>How do they sharpen razor blades?
>
>_Really_ _Big_ pyramids
>
*This* is why I read the wreck these days.
There was about a 20 second lapse between comprehension and grin...
Good one, sir!
Leon wrote:
> "Hoyt Weathers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
>>they sharpen
>>razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I do not shave
>>each day.]
>>Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the millions every shift. Are
>>there any
>>clues in their secret methods which would be helpful to woodworkers? I am
>>just
>>guessing now, but I think the makers use a procedure with a narrow steel
>>alloy ribbon
>>about a mile or more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or
>>both sides,
>>then blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of
>>cake. How do
>>they sharpen that edge?
>
>
>
> And why do they not use the same materials after the product has been on the
> market for a year or so. 4 or 5 years ago I got a sample razor with 2
> refills IIRC. It was a double blade coated with near microscopic diamonds.
> No kidding, I used the first razor for 1 year, but not shaving every day,
> before changing to one of the refills. The refills lasted quite long also.
> When I bought replacements, I was less than impressed. 1 month was about
> it.
>
>
That's why they do the durability testing mentioned above. That way
they can find out if there products are lasting too long and develop
ways to shorten their life. Only selling one set of replacement blades
a year isn't profitable business.
It's like the old story where the happy customer wrote the company
bragging that the great toaster he bought from them lasted 40 years.
The company bought the toaster from him for a lot more than he paid for
it. They wanted to ensure that that mistake never happened again... :)
On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:17 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I actually feel like I have just about enough tools.
>
>(At least until I can come up with the money to build a bigger shop. ;)
What's that got to do with it? I keep getting tools even though I
haven't the place to put them and some I haven't used since I bought
them years ago. They're *tools*! You just have to have them.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:09:19 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> calmly ranted:
>On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers wrote:
>
>> and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
>> they sharpen razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I
http://www.antrak.org.tr/~ta2cip/razors.html
>> do not shave each day.] Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the
>> millions every shift. Are there any clues in their secret methods which
>> would be helpful to woodworkers? I am just guessing now, but I think the
>> makers use a procedure with a narrow steel alloy ribbon about a mile or
>> more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or both sides, then
>> blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of cake.
>> How do they sharpen that edge?
>>
>> Hoyt W.
>
>Don't know how shaving razors are sharpened, but according to Leonard Lee
>you can sharpen your plane irons and chisels to an even better edge.
>There is a difference in angles and definitely a different shaving
>technique.
I must say that the little plastic Bic razor is much easier
to manipulate around my chin than an 18" long, 2" wide, 4
pound slick...
Or an axe.
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:31:16 -0400, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I stopped growing hair for the same reason. Eight bucks every three weeks
>> or so now go for more important things. Like tools.
>
>Three weeks hell. Twelve bucks every six to nine months. :)
>
>I got sick of that though, and now I'm Mr. Buzz. $12 once, then free
>haircuts for years. Looks terrible, but who cares?
If I didn't stand up in front of a bunch of people regularly I, too,
would go for the quick and dirty buzz. I hate getting haircuts.
Tim Douglass
http://www.DouglassClan.com
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:30:39 -0400, JGS <[email protected]>
wrote:
if they were really tough, they'd use disk sanders..
>Yup. Those guys from the Ottawa Valley are a tough lot. I happen to know that a
>lot of them use chisels to shave. JG
>
>Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500, Hoyt Weathers wrote:
>>
>> > and I nicked myself, again, a question of the obvious struck me. How do
>> > they sharpen razor blades? The thingies stay sharp for a month or more. [I
>> > do not shave each day.] Those thingies must be made and sharpened in the
>> > millions every shift. Are there any clues in their secret methods which
>> > would be helpful to woodworkers? I am just guessing now, but I think the
>> > makers use a procedure with a narrow steel alloy ribbon about a mile or
>> > more long, then sharpen one edge of that ribbon on one or both sides, then
>> > blank out the individual blades. Assembly would then be a piece of cake.
>> > How do they sharpen that edge?
>> >
>> > Hoyt W.
>>
>> Don't know how shaving razors are sharpened, but according to Leonard Lee
>> you can sharpen your plane irons and chisels to an even better edge.
>> There is a difference in angles and definitely a different shaving
>> technique.
>>
>> -Doug
>>
>> --
>> "It has been a source of great pain to me to have met with so many among
>> [my] opponents who had not the liberality to distinguish between
>> political and social opposition; who transferred at once to the person,
>> the hatred they bore to his political opinions." --Thomas Jefferson