On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:24:55 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Y'all get back to your filters now and I'll get off the orange crate.
>
>Bob S.
Promise?
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
Sun, Oct 19, 2003, 7:35pm (EDT+4) [email protected] (bs) says:
<snip> we should be able to make a mass protest to the ISP's and others
about these assholes if you're willing to do it. <snip>
That's basically my feelings on it. I report 'em, but can't track
'em down. But, seems like a lot of the people whe can actually track the
trolls down prefer to filter them out, rather than reporting them. Get
daddy's account dropped a time or two, and we would see the trolls die
off, I am sure.
JOAT
I'd be happy to help you out. Which way did you come in?
Life just ain't life without good music. - JOAT
Web Page Update 17 Oct 2003.
Some tunes I like.
http://community-2.webtv.net/Jakofalltrades/SOMETUNESILIKE/
In article <pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]>, bs
<[email protected]> wrote:
> It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
> gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
Breaking my own tenets...
I say that if people would simply ignore them publicly, and report them
to their ISPs privately, the problem would be much diminished.
But those who continue to validate them by starting threads that ask
why they are here, or respond to their posts, perpetuate the problem.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
In article <[email protected]>, bs
<[email protected]> wrote:
> it's now time to
> turn the tables on these assholes and get back what we once had here
So do it in stealth mode. The trolls thrive on seeing how many public
comments and threads they can cause.
If you made it possible for people to determine your actual email
address, you would be able to coordinate meaningful action against
these idiots without adding to their jollies.
djb
--
There are no socks in my email address.
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati"
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:36:57 GMT, [email protected] (Lawrence
Wasserman) wrote:
>In article <pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]>,
>bs <[email protected]> wrote:
>>It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
>>gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>>
>>If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make a
>>mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're willing
>>to do it.
>>
>>Yes or No?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Trolls? What trolls? Have you seen any trolls?
Silly wabbit!
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:49:16 -0700, "ELAhrens"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Bob, Since 10/8 you've posted 4 times about the crap and 1 time that had
>anything to do with woodworking.
>Think your not feeding these assholes, guess again.
>
>Erik
Feeding? Hardly.
Ever hear of 'good cop, bad cop'?
Look at your stats again. That should tell you what's goin' on.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edwin,
>
> It was a simple Yes or No question...and do you really think my post is
> encouraging them? I'm just trying to find a few that have enough balls
and
> smarts to help track these jerks down and give them a little grief in
> return. If it means hiring a lawyer, I'd kick in a fair share to help
clean
> out these maggots.
>
Sorry bs, some of us have been around the net long enough to know how this
works. Your op does indeed encourage them. As to your question about why
they havn't gone away, I ask you
Q--> Have they been ignored as suggested?
A--> No
Result--> they are still here
Cheers
Frank
Frank,
I have not responded to them - and as for being around the net long enough,
day one if it matters. And the very reason these trolls are still around is
because many of you are unwilling to do anything about it. I have been in
the background doing what I can but until a critical mass is reached - we
won't be heard and the ISP's won't do anything until it effects their
wallet.
Some of you guy's are worse than the trolls - at least they have the guts to
speak out and are persistent but ducking your heads in the sand thinking the
problem will go away appears to be your fix.
It won't get fixed until you take action and from what I've heard, most are
just to damn lazy to help or have a dozen other excuses why something won't
work - acting like you've tried it before, been there, done that etc. I
seriously doubt you have but just in case, let's learn something from your
experience and why it failed. The next attempt could be better - ever think
of that?
Y'all get back to your filters now and I'll get off the orange crate.
Bob S.
"Frank Ketchum" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Edwin,
> >
> > It was a simple Yes or No question...and do you really think my post is
> > encouraging them? I'm just trying to find a few that have enough balls
> and
> > smarts to help track these jerks down and give them a little grief in
> > return. If it means hiring a lawyer, I'd kick in a fair share to help
> clean
> > out these maggots.
> >
>
> Sorry bs, some of us have been around the net long enough to know how this
> works. Your op does indeed encourage them. As to your question about why
> they havn't gone away, I ask you
>
> Q--> Have they been ignored as suggested?
> A--> No
> Result--> they are still here
>
> Cheers
> Frank
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Edwin,
>
>It was a simple Yes or No question...and do you really think my post is
>encouraging them?
You've been told several times by several people that posts like yours are
encouraging them. Yet you continue to do it, after being repeatedly asked to
stop.
You have moved from complaining about a problem, to _being_part_ of the
problem. You have been told this enough times, by enough different people,
that ignorance is no longer available to you as an excuse, leaving only malice
or stupidity as possible explanations.
Either way... plonk.
Frank,
Not mad at you personally although I'll agree my response would somewhat
disagree with that..
You made several good points, especially as it would pertain to the
hard-core type of troller. His reward would probably be getting kicked off.
But there are plenty of amateurs out there trying their best too and those,
I believe could be dealt with a letter from a lawyer perhaps as one
suggested.
The consensus (albeit very brief) seems to be that they'll go away. I doubt
it - they haven't so far. As I said, I put the orange crate away - don't
want to aggravate the trolls ya know...
Bob S.
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edwin,
>
> It was a simple Yes or No question...and do you really think my post is
> encouraging them?
Yes, I do. So is this one in reply. Every time someone mentions the trolls,
they scored a point. That is what they live for.
In article <pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]>,
bs <[email protected]> wrote:
>It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
>gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
>If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make a
>mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're willing
>to do it.
>
>Yes or No?
>
>
>
Trolls? What trolls? Have you seen any trolls?
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]...
> It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon
be
> gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
> If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make
a
> mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're
willing
> to do it.
>
> Yes or No?
Post like yours just encourages them. You just let them know they are
making progress. It does not happen overnight, but if ignored, they do go
away. Happens on other NG's also.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:09:34 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Traves,
>
>I've done all the filtering and killfiling I'm going to do, it's now time to
>turn the tables on these assholes and get back what we once had here - clean
>fighting, kicking and screaming....
>
>Bob S.
>
Then just go ahead and fuckin' DO it. Don't bother us with your
dribble!
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]>...
> It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
> gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
> If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make a
> mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're willing
> to do it.
>
> Yes or No?
The experts said they would go away if you IGNORED THEM. Answering
their stupid posts is not ignoring them. Complaining about their
cross-posting is not ignoring them. Starting new threads about how
much they suck is not ignoring them. Posting to those new threads
about how starting new threads is not ignoring them is not ignoring
them (oops, I did it).
Seriously though, I agree with the other poster who said that ignoring
them publically and fighting them privately is probably the best
solution.
In the interest of taking my own advice, this will be my final post on
this subject.
-Chris
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:59:33 -0400 (EDT), [email protected]
(T.) wrote:
> That's basically my feelings on it. I report 'em, but can't track
>'em down. But, seems like a lot of the people whe can actually track the
>trolls down prefer to filter them out, rather than reporting them. Get
>daddy's account dropped a time or two, and we would see the trolls die
>off, I am sure.
As much as I hate legal stuff, a harassment or slander charge could be
in order for some of the real idiots.
Some of these people simply continue to come back, canceling accounts
won't do it for them. They simply have no life. When I worked for
an ISP, it was amazing how effective simply beginning a legal action
was. Not threats, but action. They shut up quick after a law
enforcement person or legal courier delivering papers stops by.
It doesn't have to be expensive, either. All it has to cost is a
small chunk of lawyer time and the costs of filing and serving the
papers. Not $20, but possibly worth it for the real idiots.
Barry
Edwin,
It was a simple Yes or No question...and do you really think my post is
encouraging them? I'm just trying to find a few that have enough balls and
smarts to help track these jerks down and give them a little grief in
return. If it means hiring a lawyer, I'd kick in a fair share to help clean
out these maggots.
Bob S.
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:11:50 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Off your meds there MSgeek? I'm not JOAT.
But you ARE a troll.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:19:58 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Trent,
>
>If you did a little research you would know for sure......
>
>And I do believe your sig line too...you are certifiable alright. Just read
>some of the dribble you've posted....
>
Exactly!
Now...startin' to see the big picture?
Whether its me...or some other twit...have you really accomplished
anything here.
SURE you have. of course. You've accomplished what you've REALLY
wanted to do! lol
Your turn.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:35:49 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
>gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
>If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make a
>mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're willing
>to do it.
>
>Yes or No?
>
>
I saw them disappear, except for the person posting as JOAT. I used
Agent filters to look for key words (mostly profanity) in the subjects
and set it to delete those posts. Now if I set the filter to look at
the content, your post would not show up. It works great, and no need
to get your goat.
Off your meds there MSgeek? I'm not JOAT.
"MSgeek" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Threads like these are not fixing it! That is for sure! Also replying to
> them is not helping the matter JOAT! Because you reply you are a target.
You
> need to refrain from replying.
>
> There is nothing you can do to really trace these people. And most ISP's
> simply dont care. There are IP address spoofers and even MAC (media access
> control) spoofers as well
>
> Letting it get to you is another matter entirely and this does score
points
> with them and gives them the satisfaction they are looking for when you
> reply.
>
> "Look here buttercup?"
>
> Joat what the hell? You are contributing to the problem by replying to
these
> trolls.
> "bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]...
> > It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon
> be
> > gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
> >
> > If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to
make
> a
> > mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're
> willing
> > to do it.
> >
> > Yes or No?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:24:10 GMT, Dave Balderstone
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]>, bs
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
>> gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
>Breaking my own tenets...
>
>I say that if people would simply ignore them publicly, and report them
>to their ISPs privately, the problem would be much diminished.
>
>But those who continue to validate them by starting threads that ask
>why they are here, or respond to their posts, perpetuate the problem.
>
>djb
And I've said it before...
One of the best trolling tactics is to play nice guy...and start a
thread like this one. Just Wondering...seems innocent enough.
Just watch how much useless bandwidth this thread will use up.
There's only 1 of 2 reasons someone will start this kind of a thread.
And being is troll is the nicest of the reasons.
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:HmRkb.5333$%[email protected]...
> Frank,
>
> The next attempt could be better - ever think
> of that?
>
No reason to be hostile towards me Bob, I am on your side. What you need to
understand is that to these people a warning from their ISP is a reward. It
means that they have irritated a lot of people. Getting dropped by an ISP
is like the holy grail! It is an indication of troll-hood of the highest
degree. It means that a sh*tload of people have been irritated enough spend
their own personal time complaining. It is no big deal to get a new ISP,
they are a dime a dozen, and the cycle continues until nobody answers
anymore. Then they move on.
Frank
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:35:49 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> Crawled out
of the shop and said. . .:
>It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon be
>gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
>If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make a
>mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're willing
>to do it.
>
>Yes or No?
>
>
Trolls only make one appearance on my screen, then they die in my
killfile.
learn to filter folks
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:16:13 GMT, "bs" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Hey Trent....
>
>Read your responses and talk about someone feeding the trolls......
>
>Go f**k off someplace else
>
SEE!!! I *TOLD* ya! Fun...isn't it.
Isn't that what you wanted.
Sucked me right in...good for you! lol
Have a nice week...
Trent
Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.
Actually I see darn few now. Have you been using your kill file like you
should be?
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]...
> It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon
be
> gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
> If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make
a
> mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're
willing
> to do it.
>
> Yes or No?
>
>
>
Threads like these are not fixing it! That is for sure! Also replying to
them is not helping the matter JOAT! Because you reply you are a target. You
need to refrain from replying.
There is nothing you can do to really trace these people. And most ISP's
simply dont care. There are IP address spoofers and even MAC (media access
control) spoofers as well
Letting it get to you is another matter entirely and this does score points
with them and gives them the satisfaction they are looking for when you
reply.
"Look here buttercup?"
Joat what the hell? You are contributing to the problem by replying to these
trolls.
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pIBkb.2690$%[email protected]...
> It's been weeks now since a lot of you said that these trolls would soon
be
> gone.... Okay experts, what do you have to say now?
>
> If we can gather here to post about woodworking, we should be able to make
a
> mass protest to the ISP's and others about these assholes if you're
willing
> to do it.
>
> Yes or No?
>
>
>
Bob, Since 10/8 you've posted 4 times about the crap and 1 time that had
anything to do with woodworking.
Think your not feeding these assholes, guess again.
Erik
"bs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Edwin,
>
> It was a simple Yes or No question...and do you really think my post is
> encouraging them? I'm just trying to find a few that have enough balls
and
> smarts to help track these jerks down and give them a little grief in
> return. If it means hiring a lawyer, I'd kick in a fair share to help
clean
> out these maggots.
>
> Bob S.
>
>