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"stoutman" <.@.>

04/05/2006 11:33 PM

My new CHERRY dining table is finished!

I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.

http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm


--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com
(Featuring a NEW look)


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"Frank"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

04/05/2006 5:05 PM

Nice! I don't think thats anywhere near misson though! ;-)

tt

"tom"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

04/05/2006 7:56 PM

Looks great! Tom

Td

"TeamCasa"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

04/05/2006 8:07 PM


"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
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>I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
>me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm
>
>
> --
> Stoutman
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com
> (Featuring a NEW look)
>
Nice work! Mission style? Looks to contemporary but real nice either way.
Dave



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"Bob AZ"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

04/05/2006 10:11 PM

Stoutman

My daughter just looked at the table. Have you a price to make one for
her?

I like the tape at the joings when you glued them. Nice idea. I will
try it next time.

Also some new clamps ar on the list to get. I am thinging about 10 each
6' ones.

Send me a picture with some room to play with on the border and I will
make you a nice print. A big digital file.

Bob AZ

n

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 12:14 AM

Really nice work. I'll be willing to bet that the pictures don't do it
justice either. Thanks for posting your pics!

Robert

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"henry"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 6:00 AM

Looks good. I would call it Shaker. Can we assume that the fastentening
method of the top to approns allows for expansion.

f

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 9:49 AM


Hambone Slim wrote:
> "stoutman" wrote...
>
> > I was dissapointed when they first started appearing during face jointing,
> > but now I like them. What is a pitch pocket anyway?
>
> Pitch pockets, afaik, are little deposits of sap and minerals. They, and
> pin knots, are considered acceptable on fine cherry furniture; sapwood, of
> course, is not.
>

Unless there is enough extra sap in the spots to make them gooey I'd
call them mineral spots and agree that they add character.

--

FF

AG

Art Greenberg

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 1:27 PM

On Thu, 04 May 2006 23:33:01 GMT, stoutman wrote:
> I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
> me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm

Really nice! Some day, I would like to do something like that too. I hope mine
turns out a well as yours did.

--
Art

jj

jo4hn

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 3:27 PM

stoutman wrote:

>>>Thanks! I think I am a big cherry fan now. I was big into maple, but
>>>there
>>>is just NO comparison.
>>
>>Maple is nice too..so many nice grains/ figures... but... when it comes
>>down to it, cherry is it for me. Always has been.
>>
>>I guess it is safe to assume, now, that you understand you will be shot
>>if you ever stain cherry, right?
>>
>
>
> I already took the "I Will Not Stain Cherry" oath! I wasn't about to
> Norm-alize my cherry table.
>
> I just hope I can keep my kid from finding a way to stain it over the years!
> :)
Easy. Just put a couple coats of paint on it.
j4

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 11:45 AM

Hambone Slim wrote:
> --
> Timothy Juvenal
> www.rude-tone.com/work.htm
>

Nice work to you, Tim!

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"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 2:09 AM


> Very nice Stoutman, I can hardly see that big ole crack at the top of the
> leg. :~) Just kidding.

Thank you. The crack is all the way at the top of one of the legs. It is
barely visible after the fix. I just hope that it never opens up again.

>
> Did you get to use your BS at all on this project? ;~)

Yes! I cut the cherry 12/4 leg blanks to rough dimension at the bandsaw.
Then I jointed an two edges square at the jointer and passed it through the
planer. I used the TS again to cut the tapers. I was VERY tempted to use
the BS to cut the tapers, but I chickened out. I cut them at the TS and had
to remove the saw and burn marks at the jointer.

>
>

HS

"Hambone Slim"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 1:22 PM


"stoutman" wrote...

> I was dissapointed when they first started appearing during face jointing,
> but now I like them. What is a pitch pocket anyway?

Pitch pockets, afaik, are little deposits of sap and minerals. They, and
pin knots, are considered acceptable on fine cherry furniture; sapwood, of
course, is not.



> Since we have it in front of a window, I guess it could
> darken faster at one end? How often should we rotate it?

It will definately darken much more quickly on the window end. I would be
obsessive about turning it every few days for a couple of months, and
definately wouldn't leave anything sitting on the top for a few months. A
sheet of paper sitting on the top in the sun for two days will leave a very
noticable tan line! Until the table darkens - the color will become more
stable and darken much more slowly after a few months in the sunny window.

Enjoy!


--
Timothy Juvenal
www.rude-tone.com/work.htm

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 12:32 AM

"Frank" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Nice! >

Thank you.

> I don't think thats anywhere near misson though! ;-)

I wood strongly disagree.


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"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 11:47 AM

> Sweet! The finish really brings out the figure of the cherry. I like the
> clean lines, too.

Thank you!

>
> BTW, the little "raisins" are pitch pockets.

I was dissapointed when they first started appearing during face jointing,
but now I like them. What is a pitch pocket anyway?

>
> Also btw, since you say this is your first cherry project, don't forget
> that
> cherry darkens in sunlight way faster than you think it will. Since the
> table is symetrical, I'd recommend turning it every few days for the first
> few weeks till it darkens up a bit, and not leaving anything on it, i.e.
> placemats or a centerpiece, till it's had a few months to darken up.
>

Nice tip! Thanks. Since we have it in front of a window, I guess it could
darken faster at one end? How often should we rotate it?


> Super nice table! Congrats on a great project!

Thank you!

>
>
> --
> Timothy Juvenal
> www.rude-tone.com/work.htm
>
>

HS

"Hambone Slim"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

06/05/2006 12:54 AM



"todd" wrote...
> I don't know that I agree with your statement on sapwood. Take a look at
> this link
> http://www.lf.org/artisansgallery/ag.html
>
> IIRC, this piece is cherry, and I think effective use was made of the
> contrast between heartwood and sapwood.


I agree with you; that piece is really nice. I've done similar things using
50% heartwood & 50% sapwood with walnut, and the contrast between the light
and dark was pleasing to me.

Around these parts, I get called on to make mostly traditional pieces, and
in those cases the sapwood wouldn't be appropriate.

Other side of the coin, a lot of folks in this area like really dark
cordovan stains on cherry. In these cases you can't see the sapwood anyway;
it stains up and looks just like the rest of the piece.

In other words, never use cherry sapwood unless you feel like it. >8^)



--
Timothy Juvenal
www.rude-tone.com/work.htm

TT

"Toller"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 12:34 PM


"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
>me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm
>
Looks good.
How did you plane/sand the top after the glue up?
Someone asked me to repair a table they had damaged with a candle by ripping
out the damaged part and putting in new boards. I declined because I had no
way of getting a perfectly flat surface afterwards; too darn big. What did
you do?

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 9:54 PM



>> Thanks! I think I am a big cherry fan now. I was big into maple, but
>> there
>> is just NO comparison.
>
> Maple is nice too..so many nice grains/ figures... but... when it comes
> down to it, cherry is it for me. Always has been.
>
> I guess it is safe to assume, now, that you understand you will be shot
> if you ever stain cherry, right?
>

I already took the "I Will Not Stain Cherry" oath! I wasn't about to
Norm-alize my cherry table.

I just hope I can keep my kid from finding a way to stain it over the years!
:)


> <G>
>
> r

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"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 3:40 AM


>> Nice work! Mission style? Looks to contemporary but real nice either
>> way.
>> Dave

I forgot to ad thank you ! :)


s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 3:41 AM


> Can't wait to see it a few years from now. Cherry does that
> patina/colour thing as I'm sure you're hoping for.
> A nice mission/metropolitan blending of styles.
>
> Nice!
>

Thanks! I think I am a big cherry fan now. I was big into maple, but there
is just NO comparison.

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 12:43 PM

> Looks good.

Thank you!

> How did you plane/sand the top after the glue up?

I didn't glue all eight boards at one time. I glued the inner four boards
first and the next day I glued on the two outer boards on
each side for a total of eight. So only four boards were glued at each
time. I think this dramatically simplified my glue-up. After each glue up,
I scraped then sanded. With the exception of a few divots from scraping to
long in one spot : ( she is very flat. The top rests on the aprons nicely
all the way around.


> Someone asked me to repair a table they had damaged with a candle by
> ripping out the damaged part and putting in new boards. I declined
> because I had no way of getting a perfectly flat surface afterwards; too
> darn big. What did you do?

I don't think (although I am still a neophyte at this) you need a flat
surface. If all your joints are at 90 degrees, with good even clamping
pressure it should come out flat. My top during both glue-ups was resting
on bar clamps on the bottom, with bar clamps also spanning accross the top.

>
>

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 11:50 AM

> What is a pitch pocket anyway?

I answered this one:

http://www.pompy.com/craftsmanship/materials/woods/cherry/

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 9:12 PM

> Really nice! Some day, I would like to do something like that too. I hope
> mine
> turns out a well as yours did.

Thank you!

>
> --
> Art
>

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 3:22 AM


> Nice work! Mission style? Looks to contemporary but real nice either
> way.
> Dave

I wouldn't say it is traditional mission. I would say it is border-line
mission style. Sure, there are no corbels on the legs or through tenons, I
guess this is what people look for as the bench-mark of mission style. But
it is simplistic in design with square two-sided tapered legs which touches
into the Shaker/Mission style a little. Right?

FB

Frank Boettcher

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 7:34 AM

On Thu, 04 May 2006 23:33:01 GMT, "stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

>I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
>me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.
>
>http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm


Very nice. Looks solid with multi generational potential. You can
add it to the stuff the kids will fight over some day.

Frank

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

04/05/2006 11:11 PM

In article <[email protected]>, "stoutman" <.@.>
wrote:

> I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
> me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm

Can't wait to see it a few years from now. Cherry does that
patina/colour thing as I'm sure you're hoping for.
A nice mission/metropolitan blending of styles.

Nice!

r

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 9:19 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"henry" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Looks good. I would call it Shaker. Can we assume that the fastentening
> method of the top to approns allows for expansion.

A Shaker table would be more likely to have round legs.

Pure Mission, would show more through tenons... even pegged ones.
The skirt could have had a slight arch to it and still be valid as
'Mission'.

IF I had to call it anything, I would call it Metropolitan.

There are so many 'melds' of the above styles that the most important
aspect survives.. and that is simplicity. Clean lines.

Then again... Mission is in the eye of the beholder?


r

Rd

Robatoy

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 5:34 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
"stoutman" <.@.> wrote:

> > Can't wait to see it a few years from now. Cherry does that
> > patina/colour thing as I'm sure you're hoping for.
> > A nice mission/metropolitan blending of styles.
> >
> > Nice!
> >
>
> Thanks! I think I am a big cherry fan now. I was big into maple, but there
> is just NO comparison.

Maple is nice too..so many nice grains/ figures... but... when it comes
down to it, cherry is it for me. Always has been.

I guess it is safe to assume, now, that you understand you will be shot
if you ever stain cherry, right?

<G>

r

HS

"Hambone Slim"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 11:43 AM


"stoutman" wrote...
> I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and
let
> me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.

Sweet! The finish really brings out the figure of the cherry. I like the
clean lines, too.

BTW, the little "raisins" are pitch pockets.

Also btw, since you say this is your first cherry project, don't forget that
cherry darkens in sunlight way faster than you think it will. Since the
table is symetrical, I'd recommend turning it every few days for the first
few weeks till it darkens up a bit, and not leaving anything on it, i.e.
placemats or a centerpiece, till it's had a few months to darken up.

Super nice table! Congrats on a great project!


--
Timothy Juvenal
www.rude-tone.com/work.htm

Lr

"Leon"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 2:03 AM


"stoutman" <.@.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
>me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.


Very nice Stoutman, I can hardly see that big ole crack at the top of the
leg. :~) Just kidding.

Did you get to use your BS at all on this project? ;~)

s@

"stoutman" <.@.>

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 9:11 PM


"henry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Looks good. I would call it Shaker. Can we assume that the fastentening
> method of the top to approns allows for expansion.
>


Thank you!
Definitely. I use z-shaped table top fasteners from Rockler

--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com
(Featuring a NEW look)

BA

B A R R Y

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 10:58 AM

stoutman wrote:
> I finally finished my new cherry dining table. Please check it out and let
> me know what you think. It is kind of mission style.
>
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com/Cherry_Table.htm
>

Looks good!

I'm a fan of clean designs, and I like what you've done.

tt

"todd"

in reply to "stoutman" <.@.> on 04/05/2006 11:33 PM

05/05/2006 7:17 PM

"Hambone Slim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "stoutman" wrote...
>
>> I was dissapointed when they first started appearing during face
>> jointing,
>> but now I like them. What is a pitch pocket anyway?
>
> Pitch pockets, afaik, are little deposits of sap and minerals. They, and
> pin knots, are considered acceptable on fine cherry furniture; sapwood, of
> course, is not.

I don't know that I agree with your statement on sapwood. Take a look at
this link
http://www.lf.org/artisansgallery/ag.html

IIRC, this piece is cherry, and I think effective use was made of the
contrast between heartwood and sapwood.

todd


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