Hey folks,
Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
1) Variable speed:
I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed speed
ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
What's the diff? Which is preferred?
3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
What's the diff? Which is preferred?
I appreciate you insights here.
Thanks,
codepath
"dustin pockets" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I only wish the PC had one of those brakes that slow the disk
> down which would prevent swirl marks when the sander first touches the
> wood.
>
> Good Luck!
That's because you are supposed to start the sander when it is already in
contact with the wood. :-)
Jon~
"MattH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> I wouldn't buy another PC sander. I'd buy the Ridgid again without
> regrets.
> Matt
WOW......I never thought I'd live to hear a statement like that :-)
I feel quite faint.........I'd better lie down for a bit!
--
© Jon Down ®
http://www.stores.ebay.com/jdpowertoolcanada
"Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> I prefer the hook-and-loop. You can re-use the sanding disks and they
> re-stick better, change faster, than the adhesive type. I'm not sure
> how the adhesive types can be re-used--perhaps stick the disks to wax
> paper?
PSA cannot be reused.. But I always see someone posting that PSA is slow to
change... I have been using PSA since 1988 and cannot see how H&L is faster
and I have used both. I simply tear a disk off a roll and put it on the
sander. When it is worn out I pull it off. No problem. Is that too
complicated for some people?
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in
SNIP
> "Phisherman" <[email protected]> wrote
SNIP
> > I prefer the hook-and-loop. You can re-use the sanding disks and they
> > re-stick better, change faster, than the adhesive type. I'm not sure
> > how the adhesive types can be re-used--perhaps stick the disks to wax
> > paper?
>
>
> PSA cannot be reused.. But I always see someone posting that PSA is slow
to
> change... I have been using PSA since 1988 and cannot see how H&L is
faster
> and I have used both. I simply tear a disk off a roll and put it on the
> sander. When it is worn out I pull it off. No problem. Is that too
> complicated for some people?
While it *might* be considered *complicated* for some people, I made an
'adapter' that lets me use BOTH on my PC 733X. Got a 12x12 sheet of H&L
material from Klingspore. Cut out a 6in circle of 1/4in hardboard and sealed
both sides & edge with water-based poly. A couple of coats. Glued the H&L to
one side . . . and Bob's your uncle !!
Now, if I want to try {or need to use}PSA, I simply apply the 'adapter' as
if it were a H&L disk and slap the 'Adhesive' disk on.
I like the Variable speed function because I use the sander for both HEAVY,
course, material removal, and 'intermediate' preparation sanding. For
'final' prep, or finish sanding, I use a 1/4 sheet 'jitterbug' or a simple
backing block, etc.
Regards & Good Luck,
Ron Magen
Backyard Boatshop
According to the descriptions of PC sanders at
http://www.portercable.com/index.asp?e=547&p=2768
all four 5in sander models have pad-control brakes.
P©WÉ®T©©LMAN ²ºº4 wrote:
> "dustin pockets" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>> I only wish the PC had one of those brakes that slow the disk
>>down which would prevent swirl marks when the sander first touches the
>>wood.
>>
>>Good Luck!
>
>
> That's because you are supposed to start the sander when it is already in
> contact with the wood. :-)
>
> Jon~
>
>
"codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hey folks,
>
> Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
>
> 1) Variable speed:
> I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed speed
> ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
Personal preference. Some people like the feature and some never use it.
>
> 2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
Hook & Loop is by far more expensive than PSA "self-adhesive" IF you do a
lot of sanding. If you are one that does not wear paper out very often and
like to change grits often this may be your best choice. H & L is reusable.
PSA is done when you remove it. If you find that you go through several
pieces of the same grit paper before changing grits, the PSA is the better
choice.
There have been numerous complaints from many that use the Hook & Loop for
long periods that the pad tends to melt with a lot of use and has to be
replaced. Typically Hook and Loop is about 50-100% more expensive than the
PSA paper. I prefer the PSA.
> 3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
Normally the preferred one is the one most readily available or the
cheapest. Some of the hole configurations tend to be hard to find and the
price thends to be higher.
"codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
>
> 1) Variable speed:
> I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed speed
> ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
Wasn't for me - went with a PC333 refurb for $39.
>
> 2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
H&L for the weekend warrior when you're switching grits. PSA is more like a
"one shot" deal and cheaper for production shops.
>
> 3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
Depends on whether you ask PC or (Bosch, DeWalt, everyone else..) :)
The only reason to pick 8 hole would be if you buy a lot of sandpaper at
WalMart - they stock the 8 hole variety...
Take a look at the Porter-Cable 733X series of sanders. They have the
variable speed feature, dust pickup and a polishing head option.
FWIW, the polishing head option works great for APPLYING the liquid
wax, Not buffing it out! Get a cheap Harbor Freight buffer for that.
I've used mine on my full-sized van and it really speeds the process
up. I've noticed that the dust collection system adds a little hassle
to the sanding given the stiffness and bulk of the vacuum hose. Use
one of those Sears gagets and the vacuum will run only when the sander
does. I only wish the PC had one of those brakes that slow the disk
down which would prevent swirl marks when the sander first touches the
wood.
Good Luck!
"mttt" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
> >
> > 1) Variable speed:
> > I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed speed
> > ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
>
> Wasn't for me - went with a PC333 refurb for $39.
>
> >
> > 2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
> > What's the diff? Which is preferred?
>
> H&L for the weekend warrior when you're switching grits. PSA is more like a
> "one shot" deal and cheaper for production shops.
>
> >
> > 3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
> > What's the diff? Which is preferred?
>
> Depends on whether you ask PC or (Bosch, DeWalt, everyone else..) :)
> The only reason to pick 8 hole would be if you buy a lot of sandpaper at
> WalMart - they stock the 8 hole variety...
"codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Hey folks,
>
> Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
>
> 1) Variable speed:
> I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed
> speed ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
I've owned the current model Porter Cable 333 (non-variable speed) and
the current model Ridgid variable speed. I prefer the variable speed,
and find myself using it quite a bit, especially when sanding plywood or
generally where you don't want to cut to much.
In general, I like the Ridgid a lot more than the PC, which broke after
about 6 months of use.
>
> 2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
The PC was Hook and Loop and the Ridgid supports both. I've only used
Hook and Loop, but I find that it doesn't take long to wear these things
out and can't really imagine going back and re-using an old one. So I'm
gonna switch to PSA.
>
> 3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
The PC is 5-hols and the Ridgid is 8. I don't really see any
performance difference. I sometimes use old 5-hole paper with my 8-hole
Ridgid and the reduced dust collection isn't a big deal for me.
>
> I appreciate you insights here.
I wouldn't buy another PC sander. I'd buy the Ridgid again without
regrets.
Matt
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> codepath
>
>
I'll only speak to the hook/loop and 5/8 hole issue. I couldn't go back to
a self stick if I had to. The H/L makes changing grits a breeze. I use a 5
holer and seem ok to me.
Vic
"codepath" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hey folks,
>
> Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
>
> 1) Variable speed:
> I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed speed
> ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
>
> 2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
>
> 3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
> What's the diff? Which is preferred?
>
> I appreciate you insights here.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> codepath
>
>
On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:11:48 -0700, "codepath" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hey folks,
>
>Got a few questions here about upcoming ROS purchase.
>
>1) Variable speed:
>I noticed that this feature pushes the price close to double a fixed speed
>ROS. Is it worth it? When is it useful?
I didn't get the variable speed, although it may be useful to slow
down sanding. I selected the single speed due to the cost difference.
My belt sander has variable speed and I really like that feature, but
belt sanders are much more aggressive than ROSes.
>
>2) Hook & Loop or self-adhesive:
>What's the diff? Which is preferred?
>
I prefer the hook-and-loop. You can re-use the sanding disks and they
re-stick better, change faster, than the adhesive type. I'm not sure
how the adhesive types can be re-used--perhaps stick the disks to wax
paper?
>3) 5-hole or 8-hole:
>What's the diff? Which is preferred?
>
Not much.
>I appreciate you insights here.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>codepath
>