Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
selling their wares.
This might have been in Gwinnett county.
I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.
Thanks
Jim
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:53:42 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>
>Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
>woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
>tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
>selling their wares.
>
>This might have been in Gwinnett county.
>
>I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
>is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jim
Thanks to all who replied.
I attended the international show a couple of time when it was in
Atlanta. What a monster that was. More to see that my feet could
stand.
Jim
On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
> Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
> unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
> will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
> way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
> believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
> to spread out and room for more vendors.
I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.
Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008. ;)
--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop
https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
This year I think it moves back to Sugarloaf Pkwy in Gwinett...the past few=
have been in Norcross. Being a southsider, I much preferred the shows at t=
he Atl aiport convention center ( very spacious plus plenty of parking) bu=
t they were only there 3 or 4 years. I remember a very early one held at th=
e old Atlanta fairgrounds in the halls that have now been converted into mo=
vie and tv production. Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year a=
fter year....the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight lo=
ss, the Dubby guy, Keller is there sometimes showing his jig,...anyhow I'm =
looking forward to attending. This might be the year for an Apollo sprayer.
On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>>
>>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
>>
>> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
>> as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
>> once had.
>>
>
>
> And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a mother
> compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley Cirus.
Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.
--
Jeff
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
> that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
> can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
> anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
> and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
> attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.
Yep, turn on a TV in the house and you can tell who was watching it last.
Women seem to go gaga over those, and the homebuyer schtick.
--
www.ewoodshop.com (Mobile)
On 2/1/2014 11:38 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:28:18 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta
>
> Lee Valley shows the following USA woodworking shows for anybody
> interested.
> http://www.leevalley.com/en/home/Tradeshows.aspx
>
> Sad to say, the single Canadian show is out in British Columbia.
> Doesn't do much good for the rest of the country.
>
Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
Justin Beiber from the US.
Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)
On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:59:53 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>type but seems to be alright otherwise.
Yes, but he was an earlier generation. The internet and instant
worldwide attention wasn't available when he was a kid.
>I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
>fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
>life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
>wrong.
I'd suggest it's society in general accompanied with the parent's
leniency that's the problem. But then, if they had been normal,
responsible parents, the child likely would never have become
infamous.
On 2/4/2014 4:20 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:59:53 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>
> Yes, but he was an earlier generation. The internet and instant
> worldwide attention wasn't available when he was a kid.
Well morals have gone out the window too these days.
What was wrong in the past is not right. And by the same token what was
right in the past is now wrong.
>
>> I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
>> fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
>> life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
>> wrong.
>
> I'd suggest it's society in general accompanied with the parent's
> leniency that's the problem. But then, if they had been normal,
> responsible parents, the child likely would never have become
> infamous.
>
Exactly
On 02/04/2014 05:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:38:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
>> lead by example.
>
> Maybe, but I think most of them have/had good intentions in what they
> did, just that things didn't turn out quite as planned.
>
The problem is that they think intentions are more important than results.
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On 2/4/2014 10:45 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>
>> Not from what I have heard. AG may have a straight appearance in
>> recent years because of how the rest of the world looks by
>> comparison. And at some point looks give way and the party is over.
>
> Huh? Hell Leon - what did you hear and from whom?
>
I first heard about that some 35~40 years ago. IIRC there were about 4
of them. Rock, Andy, Jim, and some one else.
But google it and see that I am not the only one that has heard of this
whether it be true or not.
On 2/4/2014 7:10 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/4/2014 6:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:56:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/3/2014 5:59 PM, krw@a
>>> ttt.bizz wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
>>>>>> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
>>>>>> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>>>> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>>>
>>> Well, you see what he and his handlers want you to see. Not saying that
>>> he is not a perfect example of what one should strive to be but unless
>>> you know him you really don't know him.
>>
>> Are you saying that Bieber's handlers want you to see a spoiled-rotten
>> druggie?
>
> Bingo. With some so called talent if it were not for the bad publicity
> there would be no publicity. There is a point however when you cross
> the line and for many of us that line has already been crossed. But we
> are not the ones that matter.
>
>>
>>> Rock Hudson, Andy Griffith, Peter Sellers? all seemed to be stand up
>>> guys at one time.
>>
>> Hudson raised eyebrows with is sexual preferences and IIRC Sellers had
>> some weirdness, too. AG was, by all accounts, up and up. I think AG
>> was the straight behind Ron Howard's arrow.
>
> Not from what I have heard. AG may have a straight appearance in recent
> years because of how the rest of the world looks by comparison. And at
> some point looks give way and the party is over.
>
>
>
>>
>>>>> The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my
>>>>> opinion.
>>>>
>>>> I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
>>>> fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
>>>> life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well her parents might be better but do you remember the picture of
>>> Miley and her dad together laying on top of each other and both trying
>>> to look like sexy?
>>
>> Yes, that's what I mean. At one time I thought her parents were
>> better than that.
>
> gotcha.
>
>
>>
>>> I think where an unbridled flow of money is concerned morals go out the
>>> window. If these people were truly talented, the type of talent that
>>> has the staying power, they probably would not be doing what they are
>>> doing to stay on the front pages do scandal magazines.
>>
>> I don't think "true talent" has anything to do with it. Absolute
>> power, and all that. I think it's more that they're in a bubble (like
>> Obama). They're constantly told how great they are, and they believe
>> it. Throw infinite money into the pot and you have a mess. Then
>> there are athletes.
>>
>>> As it is, get while the getting is good.
>>
>>
>
maybe he was not but there are/were a lot of suppositions. It was in
ones better interest to not let something like that get out back when he
was popular.
On 2/4/2014 11:28 PM, Leon wrote:
> But google it and see that I am not the only one that has heard of this
> whether it be true or not.
Bawn jour ...
--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop
https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)
On 2/4/2014 6:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:56:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/3/2014 5:59 PM, krw@a
>> ttt.bizz wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
>>>>> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
>>>>> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
>>>
>>> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>>> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>>
>> Well, you see what he and his handlers want you to see. Not saying that
>> he is not a perfect example of what one should strive to be but unless
>> you know him you really don't know him.
>
> Are you saying that Bieber's handlers want you to see a spoiled-rotten
> druggie?
Bingo. With some so called talent if it were not for the bad publicity
there would be no publicity. There is a point however when you cross
the line and for many of us that line has already been crossed. But we
are not the ones that matter.
>
>> Rock Hudson, Andy Griffith, Peter Sellers? all seemed to be stand up
>> guys at one time.
>
> Hudson raised eyebrows with is sexual preferences and IIRC Sellers had
> some weirdness, too. AG was, by all accounts, up and up. I think AG
> was the straight behind Ron Howard's arrow.
Not from what I have heard. AG may have a straight appearance in recent
years because of how the rest of the world looks by comparison. And at
some point looks give way and the party is over.
>
>>>> The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.
>>>
>>> I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
>>> fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
>>> life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>
>> Well her parents might be better but do you remember the picture of
>> Miley and her dad together laying on top of each other and both trying
>> to look like sexy?
>
> Yes, that's what I mean. At one time I thought her parents were
> better than that.
gotcha.
>
>> I think where an unbridled flow of money is concerned morals go out the
>> window. If these people were truly talented, the type of talent that
>> has the staying power, they probably would not be doing what they are
>> doing to stay on the front pages do scandal magazines.
>
> I don't think "true talent" has anything to do with it. Absolute
> power, and all that. I think it's more that they're in a bubble (like
> Obama). They're constantly told how great they are, and they believe
> it. Throw infinite money into the pot and you have a mess. Then
> there are athletes.
>
>> As it is, get while the getting is good.
>
>
On 2/4/2014 6:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:38:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
>> lead by example.
>
> Maybe, but I think most of them have/had good intentions in what they
> did, just that things didn't turn out quite as planned.
>
Hummmmmm. I think our government leaders pander to those that don't
know any better and promise them what they cannot deliver. So when I
say that I am going to pay your bills and only do so by increasing your
taxes......... Promote stupidity and you get more stupidity.
The absolute worst the thing that the government leaders could do to
themselves is spend money on teaching people how to manage their money
and be responsible of their own welfare.
The more the government gives the more it promotes poverty.
On 2/4/2014 6:52 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 02/04/2014 05:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:38:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
>>> lead by example.
>>
>> Maybe, but I think most of them have/had good intentions in what they
>> did, just that things didn't turn out quite as planned.
>>
> The problem is that they think intentions are more important than results.
>
>
Check mate!
Leon wrote:
> Not from what I have heard. AG may have a straight appearance in
> recent years because of how the rest of the world looks by
> comparison. And at some point looks give way and the party is over.
Huh? Hell Leon - what did you hear and from whom?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:56:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/3/2014 5:59 PM, krw@a
>ttt.bizz wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
>>>> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
>>>> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
>>
>> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>
>Well, you see what he and his handlers want you to see. Not saying that
>he is not a perfect example of what one should strive to be but unless
>you know him you really don't know him.
Are you saying that Bieber's handlers want you to see a spoiled-rotten
druggie?
>Rock Hudson, Andy Griffith, Peter Sellers? all seemed to be stand up
>guys at one time.
Hudson raised eyebrows with is sexual preferences and IIRC Sellers had
some weirdness, too. AG was, by all accounts, up and up. I think AG
was the straight behind Ron Howard's arrow.
>>> The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.
>>
>> I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
>> fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
>> life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
>> wrong.
>>
>
>Well her parents might be better but do you remember the picture of
>Miley and her dad together laying on top of each other and both trying
>to look like sexy?
Yes, that's what I mean. At one time I thought her parents were
better than that.
>I think where an unbridled flow of money is concerned morals go out the
>window. If these people were truly talented, the type of talent that
>has the staying power, they probably would not be doing what they are
>doing to stay on the front pages do scandal magazines.
I don't think "true talent" has anything to do with it. Absolute
power, and all that. I think it's more that they're in a bubble (like
Obama). They're constantly told how great they are, and they believe
it. Throw infinite money into the pot and you have a mess. Then
there are athletes.
>As it is, get while the getting is good.
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 09:44:04 -0600, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
>> unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
>> will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
>> way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
>> believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
>> to spread out and room for more vendors.
>
>I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
>culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
>New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
>the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.
>
>Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
>ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
>acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008. ;)
I have no interest in making any money with my woodworking. I just
find making sawdust and playing with tools to be enjoyable. I fully
intend to have a lot of fun with it after I retire (the next and final
time). If everything goes right, that's in four or five years. Maybe
more, if I'm still having fun at work. If it's less, not a huge deal
either.
My bad. I thought I read it was moving back to Sugarloaf. I'm not a fan of=
the Norcross site. The aisles are too narrow and are easily jammed during=
demo's. The Camp Creek facility at the airport had lots of parking ( altho=
ugh they charged for it) and you could pull up to the back to pick up heavy=
purchases. Worst ever was one year they held it in the Inforum on Williams=
St downtown. Oh well...back to Norcross it is.
On 2/1/2014 5:37 PM, Swingman wrote:
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
>> that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
>> can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
>> anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
>> and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
>> attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.
>
> Yep, turn on a TV in the house and you can tell who was watching it last.
> Women seem to go gaga over those, and the homebuyer schtick.
>
Yea, I don't understand that home buyer thing. My wife likes watching
that shit. I find no value in it whatsoever.
--
Jeff
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 18:05:08 -0500, woodchucker <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/1/2014 5:37 PM, Swingman wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
>>> that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
>>> can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
>>> anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
>>> and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
>>> attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.
>>
>> Yep, turn on a TV in the house and you can tell who was watching it last.
>> Women seem to go gaga over those, and the homebuyer schtick.
>>
>
>Yea, I don't understand that home buyer thing. My wife likes watching
>that shit. I find no value in it whatsoever.
If HGTV were PPV, I'd be broke. It's on the tube now. I'm sitting on
the sofa, so I guess I'm watching it too.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:41:55 -0600, Leon wrote:
> On 2/4/2014 4:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
>>> position. What a tramp!
>>
>> Well, it's always been about getting attention hasn't it? Fame or
>> (infamy) anyway you can appears to be de rigueur. Cirus hasn't broken
>> any laws that I'm aware of. All she has done so far is shock people.
>> It remains to be seen whether she takes the next steps that you're
>> alluding to..
>>
>
>
> I think total nudity from the ankles up, and swinging around on a ball
> and chain might be breaking some laws somewhere.
>
> Unfortunately this type of public behavior leads to the loss of pride,
> decency, and morals.
>
> But just something to think about, 40 years ago being gay and publicly
> showing affection between two adults of the same sex was scandalous,
> immoral, and against the law in many places. Today it is now lawful
> for gays to marry in some places.
>
> By the exact same token a few hundred years ago and in some cases maybe
> only 100 years ago it was common and acceptable for an older man to
> marry a "young" girl/teenager.
>
> Now given all that is acceptable now, why not let a man in his 30's have
> a sexual relationship with a 13 year old girl if both are willing?
>
> See where this is going. The more we accept immoral acts the more the
> acts become less immoral and eventually the men will club a woman or
> girl over the head and drag her home and the sooner our society fails.
I guess I'am not as optimistic as you are, our society has already
failed...
basilisk
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
>position. What a tramp!
Well, it's always been about getting attention hasn't it? Fame or
(infamy) anyway you can appears to be de rigueur. Cirus hasn't broken
any laws that I'm aware of. All she has done so far is shock people.
It remains to be seen whether she takes the next steps that you're
alluding to..
On 2/4/2014 4:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
>> position. What a tramp!
>
> Well, it's always been about getting attention hasn't it? Fame or
> (infamy) anyway you can appears to be de rigueur. Cirus hasn't broken
> any laws that I'm aware of. All she has done so far is shock people.
> It remains to be seen whether she takes the next steps that you're
> alluding to..
>
I think total nudity from the ankles up, and swinging around on a ball
and chain might be breaking some laws somewhere.
Unfortunately this type of public behavior leads to the loss of pride,
decency, and morals.
But just something to think about, 40 years ago being gay and publicly
showing affection between two adults of the same sex was scandalous,
immoral, and against the law in many places. Today it is now lawful
for gays to marry in some places.
By the exact same token a few hundred years ago and in some cases maybe
only 100 years ago it was common and acceptable for an older man to
marry a "young" girl/teenager.
Now given all that is acceptable now, why not let a man in his 30's have
a sexual relationship with a 13 year old girl if both are willing?
See where this is going. The more we accept immoral acts the more the
acts become less immoral and eventually the men will club a woman or
girl over the head and drag her home and the sooner our society fails.
On 2/4/2014 10:03 AM, basilisk wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:41:55 -0600, Leon wrote:
>
>> On 2/4/2014 4:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
>>>> position. What a tramp!
>>>
>>> Well, it's always been about getting attention hasn't it? Fame or
>>> (infamy) anyway you can appears to be de rigueur. Cirus hasn't broken
>>> any laws that I'm aware of. All she has done so far is shock people.
>>> It remains to be seen whether she takes the next steps that you're
>>> alluding to..
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think total nudity from the ankles up, and swinging around on a ball
>> and chain might be breaking some laws somewhere.
>>
>> Unfortunately this type of public behavior leads to the loss of pride,
>> decency, and morals.
>>
>> But just something to think about, 40 years ago being gay and publicly
>> showing affection between two adults of the same sex was scandalous,
>> immoral, and against the law in many places. Today it is now lawful
>> for gays to marry in some places.
>>
>> By the exact same token a few hundred years ago and in some cases maybe
>> only 100 years ago it was common and acceptable for an older man to
>> marry a "young" girl/teenager.
>>
>> Now given all that is acceptable now, why not let a man in his 30's have
>> a sexual relationship with a 13 year old girl if both are willing?
>>
>> See where this is going. The more we accept immoral acts the more the
>> acts become less immoral and eventually the men will club a woman or
>> girl over the head and drag her home and the sooner our society fails.
>
> I guess I'am not as optimistic as you are, our society has already
> failed...
>
> basilisk
>
Good observation. The gays can marry now and older men wedding teenager
girls has already been accepted in the past.
On 2/4/2014 9:31 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/4/2014 9:41 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/4/2014 4:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
>>>> upsurp that
>>>> position. What a tramp!
>>>
>>> Well, it's always been about getting attention hasn't it? Fame or
>>> (infamy) anyway you can appears to be de rigueur. Cirus hasn't broken
>>> any laws that I'm aware of. All she has done so far is shock people.
>>> It remains to be seen whether she takes the next steps that you're
>>> alluding to..
>>>
>>
>>
>> I think total nudity from the ankles up, and swinging around on a ball
>> and chain might be breaking some laws somewhere.
>>
>> Unfortunately this type of public behavior leads to the loss of pride,
>> decency, and morals.
>>
>> But just something to think about, 40 years ago being gay and publicly
>> showing affection between two adults of the same sex was scandalous,
>> immoral, and against the law in many places. Today it is now lawful
>> for gays to marry in some places.
>>
>> By the exact same token a few hundred years ago and in some cases maybe
>> only 100 years ago it was common and acceptable for an older man to
>> marry a "young" girl/teenager.
>>
>> Now given all that is acceptable now, why not let a man in his 30's have
>> a sexual relationship with a 13 year old girl if both are willing?
>>
>> See where this is going. The more we accept immoral acts the more the
>> acts become less immoral and eventually the men will club a woman or
>> girl over the head and drag her home and the sooner our society fails.
> I think that's happened more than once..
> Joe Piscapo
> Woody Allen
>
> Back in my moms day, it was common to marry at 17,18
> 100-200 years ago, 13,14 was norm.
>
> There has been a recent degredation, but there was also a puritanical
> tightening up not too long ago.
>
I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
lead by example.
On 2/4/2014 9:41 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/4/2014 4:14 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 11:29:45 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
>>> upsurp that
>>> position. What a tramp!
>>
>> Well, it's always been about getting attention hasn't it? Fame or
>> (infamy) anyway you can appears to be de rigueur. Cirus hasn't broken
>> any laws that I'm aware of. All she has done so far is shock people.
>> It remains to be seen whether she takes the next steps that you're
>> alluding to..
>>
>
>
> I think total nudity from the ankles up, and swinging around on a ball
> and chain might be breaking some laws somewhere.
>
> Unfortunately this type of public behavior leads to the loss of pride,
> decency, and morals.
>
> But just something to think about, 40 years ago being gay and publicly
> showing affection between two adults of the same sex was scandalous,
> immoral, and against the law in many places. Today it is now lawful
> for gays to marry in some places.
>
> By the exact same token a few hundred years ago and in some cases maybe
> only 100 years ago it was common and acceptable for an older man to
> marry a "young" girl/teenager.
>
> Now given all that is acceptable now, why not let a man in his 30's have
> a sexual relationship with a 13 year old girl if both are willing?
>
> See where this is going. The more we accept immoral acts the more the
> acts become less immoral and eventually the men will club a woman or
> girl over the head and drag her home and the sooner our society fails.
I think that's happened more than once..
Joe Piscapo
Woody Allen
Back in my moms day, it was common to marry at 17,18
100-200 years ago, 13,14 was norm.
There has been a recent degredation, but there was also a puritanical
tightening up not too long ago.
--
Jeff
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 03:46:49 -0800 (PST), BillinGA <[email protected]>
wrote:
>This year I think it moves back to Sugarloaf Pkwy in Gwinett...the past few have been in Norcross. Being a southsider, I much preferred the shows at the Atl aiport convention center ( very spacious plus plenty of parking) but they were only there 3 or 4 years. I remember a very early one held at the old Atlanta fairgrounds in the halls that have now been converted into movie and tv production. Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss, the Dubby guy, Keller is there sometimes showing his jig,...anyhow I'm looking forward to attending. This might be the year for an Apollo sprayer.
Unless I read something wrong it is going to be in Norcross.
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 21:46:16 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>
>>Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
>
>Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
>as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
>once had.
Well, I can dream.
On 2/3/2014 11:35 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>>>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>>>>> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>>>>> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
>>>>> as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
>>>>> once had.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
>>>> mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
>>>> Cirus.
>>>
>>> Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.
>>
>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
>> upsurp that
>> position. What a tramp!
>>
>
> I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd up
> adults.
>
But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of an
out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
--
Jeff
wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
It would have been handy if the Atlanta area woodworkers had spread all
their sawdust on the roads before I got there last Wednesday morning. ;~)
On 2/3/2014 12:06 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>>> On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>>>>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in
>>>>>>> prison.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>>>>>> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>>>>>> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further
>>>>>> embarrassment as they roam around destroying any semblance of
>>>>>> decorum that Canada once had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
>>>>> mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
>>>>> Cirus.
>>>>
>>>> Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.
>>>
>>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
>>> upsurp that position. What a tramp!
>>>
>>
>> I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd
>> up adults.
>
> I'm not sure it has anything at all to do with Disney. I think it's a lot
> more about our society in general. For instance - the growing lack within
> our societ to speak out against any behaviors. You know - we have to
> "understand them" and all that crap. I'm reminded of an NFL player who is
> pissing and moaning about being bullied - a freakin' NFL player! The
> sissification of society has just gone way too far.
>
Agreed.
--
Jeff
On 2/1/2014 10:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
>> unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
>> will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
>> way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
>> believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
>> to spread out and room for more vendors.
>
> I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
> culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
> New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
> the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.
I totally agree.
>
> Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
> ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
> acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008. ;)
>
--
Jeff
On 2/1/2014 9:56 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> BillinGA <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....
>
> Bob Jevons (Jevons Tool), Rich Weidler (MicroFence), and Roland Johnson (FWW) are
> always fun to talk to.
>>
>> the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss,
>
> Forrest hasn't been at the Indianapolis show for probably five years. I'll have to look for that
> next year.
>
>> the Dubby guy,
>
> Is he ill? Poor guy didn't look one bit well at the Indianapolis show this year, like he has
> some serious chronic illness. I hope he gets better, else I'll be surprised to see him next
> year.
>
Could be the smoking that he does. He's a chain smoker. And the show
inteferes with that.
--
Jeff
On 1/31/2014 11:53 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
> woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
> tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
> selling their wares.
>
> This might have been in Gwinnett county.
>
> I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
> is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
Here in NJ there were 2 competing shows. And they were watering down the
pool. Lot's of guys did not like one of the shows that was running
things. Can't remember if it was the WOODWORKING SHOWS or the other.
Anyway, our's used to be huge, then it got smaller.. and smaller.. I
thought that it would fail. I stopped going to a bunch of them, like
every other year.
I also drove down to Baltimore years ago. To the cow palace.. It was
much bigger than NJ's. But I have heard that got smaller too.
I think the Yankee Workshop had lot's to do with the numbers believe it
or not. Once it stopped showing on HGTV WW numbers went down. Now that
it is no longer being produced it has caused a lot of would be wood
workers to fade away.
That's just my opinion, not based on anything but my own perception.
--
Jeff
On 2/1/2014 9:44 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
>> unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
>> will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
>> way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
>> believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
>> to spread out and room for more vendors.
>
> I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest, both
> culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David Marks,
> New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make room for
> the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.
That could have played a part but I suspect that the Houston market is
as good as the other markets where attendance by the vendors and the
woodworkers is much greater.
Plain and simple the move to the gymnasium was the death blow to the
Houston show. The previous organizers/owners were pissing every one off
and the location was terrible. Way too small, picture the show being
held on something a bit bigger than basket ball court.
>
> Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
> ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
> acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008. ;)
>
On 2/2/2014 1:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:29:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
>> Justin Beiber from the US.
>
>> Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)
>
> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>
It does not matter what any one says, Lindsey Lohan is Canadian. There,
take that!
On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> You're in luck:
>
> http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta
>
> I've attended this show in Baltimore and Milwaukee. Bring money ... Lots of stuff you'll want to take home.
>
> Larry
>
Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
ownership in the last couple of years.
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>
>> http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta
>
> Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
> ownership in the last couple of years.
Emphatically YES it has improved.
There were many more vendors and attendees at the Indianapolis show this year than at
any time since about 2008. I had noticed declining attendance and vendor participation for
several years, and feared that the show might be on its way to extinction. It's still not back to
where it was ten years ago -- in particular, Incra and Leigh used to be there every year, and
I haven't seen either one for a long time, and several of our local businesses that used to
exhibit regularly haven't been around for a while either -- but it has rebounded a lot
compared to the last couple of years.
I commented on that to one of the vendors that I've become acquainted with over the past 6-
8 years and suggested that perhaps it was a sign that the economy was improving. He
attributes it instead to the new ownership, saying that the previous owner had [ticked] off a
lot of vendors and the new owner was working hard to mend fences.
Another difference I noticed this year is that the three-hour-long classes (the ones you have
to pay for) are back, after an absence of at least three or four years. There were at least two
taught by Marc Adams at this year's show.
The show has definitely grown quite a bit, compared to the last few years. Still not back to
where it was 12-15 years ago, but much better than 2-4 years ago.
For comparison purposes -- map of Indiana State Fairgrounds here:
http://www.in.gov/statefair/fairgrounds/FairgroundsMap2013.pdf
The Woodworking Show *used to* fill the South Pavilion (#18 on the map). Somewhere
around 2006, it had shrunk enough that it was moved to the Blue Ribbon Pavilion (#14)
where it remains. Three years ago, it occupied only about 2/3 of that building, and in '12 and
'13 it seemed like just a bit over half the building was used. This year, it wasn't quite full, but
it was close. And on Saturday in particular, there were so many people there that it was hard
to get around -- which was *very* different from last year.
BillinGA <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....
Bob Jevons (Jevons Tool), Rich Weidler (MicroFence), and Roland Johnson (FWW) are
always fun to talk to.
>
> the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss,
Forrest hasn't been at the Indianapolis show for probably five years. I'll have to look for that
next year.
> the Dubby guy,
Is he ill? Poor guy didn't look one bit well at the Indianapolis show this year, like he has
some serious chronic illness. I hope he gets better, else I'll be surprised to see him next
year.
On 2/4/2014 8:19 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> jo4hn wrote:
>
>> This whole thread has been really special. Made me laugh. A bunch of
>> old men cluck-clucking about the younger generation, forgetting the
>> rotten stuff we did (or wanted to do) as youngsters. It has been fun.
>> I will sign off now as your humble baby killin', tree huggin',
>> democratic, leftie, socialist, pinko, sissy, left wing, com-dup,
>> com-simp, commie puke.
>
> Man - that's one hell of a business card you got there Jo4hn! You just need
> to add "deflowerer of virgins, slayer of dragons, and..." oh wait... is it
> that or is it "deflowerer of dragons and slayer of virgins"?
>
"Now where is that Eskimo I'm supposed to wrestle?"
:-)
On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>
>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
>
> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
> as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
> once had.
>
And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a mother
compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley Cirus.
On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
>>>>
>>>> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>>>> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>>>> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
>>>> as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
>>>> once had.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
>>> mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
>>> Cirus.
>>
>> Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.
>
> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
> position. What a tramp!
>
I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd up
adults.
--
Jeff
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 14:58:04 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:29:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
>>Justin Beiber from the US.
>
>>Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)
>
>Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:59:38 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/4/2014 4:20 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:59:53 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>>> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>>
>> Yes, but he was an earlier generation. The internet and instant
>> worldwide attention wasn't available when he was a kid.
>
>Well morals have gone out the window too these days.
>
>What was wrong in the past is not right. And by the same token what was
>right in the past is now wrong.
I thought nothing was "wrong", now. "Right" and "wrong" are just so
relative.
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:28:18 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>> You're in luck:
>>
>> http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta
>>
>> I've attended this show in Baltimore and Milwaukee. Bring money ... Lots of stuff you'll want to take home.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
>
>Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
>ownership in the last couple of years.
I've been going for the last five years. It has gotten better. The
first year, the Trade Center was split with an antiques show in one
half (SWMBO was happy). After that, the woodworking show took over
the whole facility.
There are a lot of participants but Peachtree Woodworking seems to
have a third of the floor space. ;-)
On 2/1/2014 8:50 AM, Doug Miller wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 2/1/2014 12:18 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>
>>> http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta
>>
>> Has that show been better lately? I know that the show has under new
>> ownership in the last couple of years.
>
> Emphatically YES it has improved.
>
> There were many more vendors and attendees at the Indianapolis show this year than at
> any time since about 2008. I had noticed declining attendance and vendor participation for
> several years, and feared that the show might be on its way to extinction. It's still not back to
> where it was ten years ago -- in particular, Incra and Leigh used to be there every year, and
> I haven't seen either one for a long time, and several of our local businesses that used to
> exhibit regularly haven't been around for a while either -- but it has rebounded a lot
> compared to the last couple of years.
>
> I commented on that to one of the vendors that I've become acquainted with over the past 6-
> 8 years and suggested that perhaps it was a sign that the economy was improving. He
> attributes it instead to the new ownership, saying that the previous owner had [ticked] off a
> lot of vendors and the new owner was working hard to mend fences.
>
> Another difference I noticed this year is that the three-hour-long classes (the ones you have
> to pay for) are back, after an absence of at least three or four years. There were at least two
> taught by Marc Adams at this year's show.
>
> The show has definitely grown quite a bit, compared to the last few years. Still not back to
> where it was 12-15 years ago, but much better than 2-4 years ago.
>
> For comparison purposes -- map of Indiana State Fairgrounds here:
> http://www.in.gov/statefair/fairgrounds/FairgroundsMap2013.pdf
>
> The Woodworking Show *used to* fill the South Pavilion (#18 on the map). Somewhere
> around 2006, it had shrunk enough that it was moved to the Blue Ribbon Pavilion (#14)
> where it remains. Three years ago, it occupied only about 2/3 of that building, and in '12 and
> '13 it seemed like just a bit over half the building was used. This year, it wasn't quite full, but
> it was close. And on Saturday in particular, there were so many people there that it was hard
> to get around -- which was *very* different from last year.
>
GOOD TO HEAR! Thank you for that report.
In Houston the show was always at Reliant Center, held in a rather large
section in one of the areas. That was true for years.
About 4~5 years they moved the show from that central location to about
20 miles WNW to the high school gymnasium in Katy, TX. The room for all
of the vendors was scaled down to about 20% of what they had at the
Reliant Center. Vendors were pissed and so was I, parking had to be
shared with all of the high schoolers. I complained the first year to
the organizers, a few women, and I was instructed that I was wrong.
The new owners of the Woodworking shows contacted me and informed me of
their acquisition and further indicated that the vendors were pissed.
AAMOF we did not even have that show last year, one of the gracious area
woodworkers organized and held the show himself. He did that just so
that there would be a show last year and indicated he would never do
that again. He donated a lot of his equipment for the demonstrations.
Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
to spread out and room for more vendors.
On Sat, 01 Feb 2014 07:28:18 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> http://www.thewoodworkingshows.com/webapp-shows/Atlanta
Lee Valley shows the following USA woodworking shows for anybody
interested.
http://www.leevalley.com/en/home/Tradeshows.aspx
Sad to say, the single Canadian show is out in British Columbia.
Doesn't do much good for the rest of the country.
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>woodchucker wrote:
>
>>
>> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
>> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
>> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.
I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
wrong.
On 2/3/2014 5:59 PM, krw@a
ttt.bizz wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
>>> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
>>> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
>
> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
Well, you see what he and his handlers want you to see. Not saying that
he is not a perfect example of what one should strive to be but unless
you know him you really don't know him.
Rock Hudson, Andy Griffith, Peter Sellers? all seemed to be stand up
guys at one time.
>
>> The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.
>
> I think it's deeper than that. The parents go nuts over the fame and
> fortune (which they steal from the child) and it pollutes their whole
> life. I thought Cyrus' parents were better than that but I was way
> wrong.
>
Well her parents might be better but do you remember the picture of
Miley and her dad together laying on top of each other and both trying
to look like sexy?
I think where an unbridled flow of money is concerned morals go out the
window. If these people were truly talented, the type of talent that
has the staying power, they probably would not be doing what they are
doing to stay on the front pages do scandal magazines.
As it is, get while the getting is good.
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 03:46:49 -0800 (PST), BillinGA <[email protected]>
wrote:
>This year I think it moves back to Sugarloaf Pkwy in Gwinett...the past few have been in Norcross. Being a southsider, I much preferred the shows at the Atl aiport convention center ( very spacious plus plenty of parking) but they were only there 3 or 4 years. I remember a very early one held at the old Atlanta fairgrounds in the halls that have now been converted into movie and tv production. Funny to remember some of the vendors you see year after year....the guy that sells Forrest blades and his trememdous weight loss, the Dubby guy, Keller is there sometimes showing his jig,...anyhow I'm looking forward to attending. This might be the year for an Apollo sprayer.
I believe it's still at the North Atlanta Trade Center in Norcross,
unless there is one I don't know about. More information?
I'm a South-sider as well (South-West, off I85) but it's not a big
deal to get to the other side, at least on the weekend. I wasn't here
when they had it by the airport.
On 2/2/2014 11:58 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 08:29:54 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> Take heart in knowing that there is a petition going around to ban
>> Justin Beiber from the US.
>
>> Y'all will have that treasure back! ;!)
>
> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>
This whole thread has been really special. Made me laugh. A bunch of
old men cluck-clucking about the younger generation, forgetting the
rotten stuff we did (or wanted to do) as youngsters. It has been fun.
I will sign off now as your humble baby killin', tree huggin',
democratic, leftie, socialist, pinko, sissy, left wing, com-dup,
com-simp, commie puke.
mahalo,
jo4hn
Swingman wrote:
> On 2/1/2014 9:25 AM, Leon wrote:
>> Fortunately it looks like the Woodworking shows will be back,
>> unfortunately the show will be in the gymnasium again. Hopefully it
>> will one day return to the Reliant Center. The Reliant Center is a long
>> way from where I live, actually the Katy gymnasium is quite close, but I
>> believe the show would be better if there was more room for the vendors
>> to spread out and room for more vendors.
>
> I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest,
> both culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David
> Marks, New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make
> room for the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.
>
> Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
> ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
> acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008. ;)
>
You mean when some of their 401Ks were halved?
Swingman wrote:
>
> I suspected that the show had been suffering from lack of interest,
> both culturally and commercially ... gone with the likes of the David
> Marks, New Yankee Workshop, Bruce Johnson, et el shows on TV, to make
> room for the DIY'ers in homeowner's suits.
Oh Geezus Karl - don't start that diversion. Isn't it amazing how stupid
that stuff is? My wife has that crap on at night and when I go up to bed I
can't believe the garbage I am hearing. No quality workmanship spoken of
anymore - just quick stuff that "looks good", or looks good enough to sell
and run. Pure junk! But - the average American housewife seems to be
attracted to it, as does the average American idiot husband.
>
> Plus, the old geezers, who had grandiose plans of retiring and making
> ends meet in their old age with their instantly acquired woodworking
> acumen from the Intenetz, got a large dose of reality around 2008. ;)
Yup - the "it's easy - I saw it on Norm's show..." crowd. Precisely why one
has to actually put one's hand to a task before falling prey to what they
see on TV.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
>>>
>>> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>>> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>>> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
>>> as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
>>> once had.
>>>
>>
>>
>> And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
>> mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
>> Cirus.
>
> Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.
Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to upsurp that
position. What a tramp!
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
woodchucker wrote:
> On 2/3/2014 11:29 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 2/2/2014 11:09 PM, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 2/2/2014 8:46 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>>>>>> Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in
>>>>>> prison.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
>>>>> punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
>>>>> charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further
>>>>> embarrassment as they roam around destroying any semblance of
>>>>> decorum that Canada once had.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And FWIW Lohan seems a model citizen and wonderful example of a
>>>> mother compared to our latest misfit and her wrecking ball. Miley
>>>> Cirus.
>>>
>>> Oh I don't know. Right now Lohan has Cirus beat by a few touchdowns.
>>
>> Only because of tenure (IMHO), but Cirus is on a rapid climb to
>> upsurp that position. What a tramp!
>>
>
> I think that Disney turns them into F'd up kids, which turn into F'd
> up adults.
I'm not sure it has anything at all to do with Disney. I think it's a lot
more about our society in general. For instance - the growing lack within
our societ to speak out against any behaviors. You know - we have to
"understand them" and all that crap. I'm reminded of an NFL player who is
pissing and moaning about being bullied - a freakin' NFL player! The
sissification of society has just gone way too far.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
woodchucker wrote:
>
> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
The latter part of that statement being the most meaningful in my opinion.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
jo4hn wrote:
> This whole thread has been really special. Made me laugh. A bunch of
> old men cluck-clucking about the younger generation, forgetting the
> rotten stuff we did (or wanted to do) as youngsters. It has been fun.
> I will sign off now as your humble baby killin', tree huggin',
> democratic, leftie, socialist, pinko, sissy, left wing, com-dup,
> com-simp, commie puke.
Man - that's one hell of a business card you got there Jo4hn! You just need
to add "deflowerer of virgins, slayer of dragons, and..." oh wait... is it
that or is it "deflowerer of dragons and slayer of virgins"?
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:53:42 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>
>Years ago I made the drive to north of Atlanta (as I remember) to a
>woodworking fair I think they called it. All of the bigger
>tool/machinery makers were present but also a number of small folks
>selling their wares.
>
>This might have been in Gwinnett county.
>
>I am wondering if they still have these types of events and if there
>is one coming up. I would like to make the trip.
There is a woodworking show March 7-9, at the North Atlanta Trade
Center, in Norcross, GA (off I85, just North of I285). You can find
it at their site.
http://www.northatlantatradecenter.com/
On Sun, 02 Feb 2014 19:31:39 -0500, [email protected] wrote:
>>Ok, we'll take him back. But, only if you promise to keep
>>Lindsay Lohan from visiting us.
>
>Sounds good. You put one in prison, we'll put the other in prison.
Nah! We don't send our stars and personalities to prison. Bieber's
punishment will be getting the key to Toronto presented to him by
charlatan mayor Rob Ford. Then, we will suffer further embarrassment
as they roam around destroying any semblance of decorum that Canada
once had.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:10:53 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/4/2014 6:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 08:56:52 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/3/2014 5:59 PM, krw@a
>>> ttt.bizz wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:07:13 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> woodchucker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then again, any child star has that ability to turn into the most
>>>>>> F'd up adult. The lack of proper parenting, the constant nurturing of
>>>>>> an out of control ego.., and never saying no to the brats.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Howard didn't turn out TOO bad. He's a typical liberal Hollyweird
>>>> type but seems to be alright otherwise.
>>>
>>> Well, you see what he and his handlers want you to see. Not saying that
>>> he is not a perfect example of what one should strive to be but unless
>>> you know him you really don't know him.
>>
>> Are you saying that Bieber's handlers want you to see a spoiled-rotten
>> druggie?
>
>Bingo. With some so called talent if it were not for the bad publicity
>there would be no publicity. There is a point however when you cross
>the line and for many of us that line has already been crossed. But we
>are not the ones that matter.
I'm not buying it. He's just on a crash course to meet Belushi.
>>> Rock Hudson, Andy Griffith, Peter Sellers? all seemed to be stand up
>>> guys at one time.
>>
>> Hudson raised eyebrows with is sexual preferences and IIRC Sellers had
>> some weirdness, too. AG was, by all accounts, up and up. I think AG
>> was the straight behind Ron Howard's arrow.
>
>Not from what I have heard. AG may have a straight appearance in recent
>years because of how the rest of the world looks by comparison. And at
>some point looks give way and the party is over.
Don't buy that, either. AG has long been credited with keeping RH's
head straight when he was a kid.
<...>
On 2/4/2014 7:04 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:52:52 -0700, Doug Winterburn
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 02/04/2014 05:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:38:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>>> I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
>>>> lead by example.
>>>
>>> Maybe, but I think most of them have/had good intentions in what they
>>> did, just that things didn't turn out quite as planned.
>>>
>> The problem is that they think intentions are more important than results.
>
> Worse, the majority of the voters agree.
Yeah and the dumber the voter base the easier they are to fool, election
after election after election..........
It is important that our education system get worse to insure dumb voter
turn out expecting to elect The Wizard of OZ.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 19:16:31 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/4/2014 6:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:38:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
>>> lead by example.
>>
>> Maybe, but I think most of them have/had good intentions in what they
>> did, just that things didn't turn out quite as planned.
>>
>
>
>Hummmmmm. I think our government leaders pander to those that don't
>know any better and promise them what they cannot deliver. So when I
>say that I am going to pay your bills and only do so by increasing your
>taxes......... Promote stupidity and you get more stupidity.
>
>The absolute worst the thing that the government leaders could do to
>themselves is spend money on teaching people how to manage their money
>and be responsible of their own welfare.
Which is why it's no longer taught. If you wanted to *do* the most
for the people, teach them the power of compound interest.
>The more the government gives the more it promotes poverty.
On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 17:52:52 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 02/04/2014 05:29 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Feb 2014 09:38:45 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> I think we can cast much of the blame on our government leaders. They
>>> lead by example.
>>
>> Maybe, but I think most of them have/had good intentions in what they
>> did, just that things didn't turn out quite as planned.
>>
>The problem is that they think intentions are more important than results.
Worse, the majority of the voters agree.