Ll

LP

15/02/2005 1:57 PM

Setting Router Bit Height For Cope & Stick Cuts

I was recently watching the Sommerfeld video on the tongue & groove
cabinet assembly method. In that video Mark Sommerfeld mentiond
dropping a grommet in the hole in the shaft of the router, to make the
tongue bit bottom out at the exact same depth as the groove bit, thus
allowing you to change from one bit to the other at will without
having to fiddle with depth adjustments. (after the initial depth is
set, of course)

Wondering if this would work with my Jesada door making set, I cut a
piece of slightly undersized dowel and dropped it down in that hole.
Then the sticking bit was loaded, the depth adjusted, and a cut made.
After that, I removed the sticking bit and replaced it with the coping
bit and made that cut without changing the depth at all.

Voila. Perfect alignment. The faces of the two pieces came together
perfectly flush. No more laborious and shape-changing sanding on
those corners.

Various routers will require different methods of achieving this.
Mark Sommerfeld's router must have a very shallow hole in it to
require only a grommet. My Bosch has a hole thats near 3" deep so
something else was required, hence the dowel.

Another thing that may affect this is whether or not the cope/stick
bits are made with the correct shaft lengths for this method to work.
At any rate, its worth a try and will save a lot of time and
aggravation for you if it does.



This topic has 6 replies

Kk

"Knotbob"

in reply to LP on 15/02/2005 1:57 PM

15/02/2005 5:16 PM

The reason he uses the rubber grommet is..... I don't think your not
supposed to let your router bits bottom out in the collet. Technically
yours are bottoming out on a hard piece of dowel.
Robert Smith
Jacksonville, Fl.

TD

Tim Douglass

in reply to LP on 15/02/2005 1:57 PM

16/02/2005 9:51 AM

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:02:13 -0500, LP <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Yes, i neglected to say that point was also mentioned in the video.
>Something about the collet 'sucking' the bit down a bit.
>
>I suspect this sucking down is only a matter of a few thousandths and
>I dont know how important it is to proper gripping of the collet. It
>didn't seem to affect the gripping power of mine.
>
>I realize the dowel is a bit harder than a grommet but it was what I
>had on hand and I felt that, with caution, it could be tried. I
>suppose a piece of rubber rod would be a more appropriate material and
>I'm on the lookout for some now.

Try putting a little dab of silicone on the end of the dowel.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

Ll

LP

in reply to LP on 15/02/2005 1:57 PM

16/02/2005 1:20 PM

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:51:38 -0800, Tim Douglass
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:02:13 -0500, LP <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Yes, i neglected to say that point was also mentioned in the video.
>>Something about the collet 'sucking' the bit down a bit.
>>
>>I suspect this sucking down is only a matter of a few thousandths and
>>I dont know how important it is to proper gripping of the collet. It
>>didn't seem to affect the gripping power of mine.
>>
>>I realize the dowel is a bit harder than a grommet but it was what I
>>had on hand and I felt that, with caution, it could be tried. I
>>suppose a piece of rubber rod would be a more appropriate material and
>>I'm on the lookout for some now.
>
>Try putting a little dab of silicone on the end of the dowel.
>
>Tim Douglass
>
>http://www.DouglassClan.com

Now Daggummint why didnt I think of that? :) So simple, yet so
effective. Thanks a bunch for the tip Tim.

Zw

Zeke

in reply to LP on 15/02/2005 1:57 PM

16/02/2005 11:51 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> Try putting a little dab of silicone on the end of the dowel.
>
Or maybe use the grommet under the dowel? Sounds like it could be a
timesaver, I hope my freud bits match.
Zeke
com to net for e-mail

Jm

"J"

in reply to LP on 15/02/2005 1:57 PM

15/02/2005 1:00 PM

"LP" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Another thing that may affect this is whether or not the cope/stick
> bits are made with the correct shaft lengths for this method to work.
> At any rate, its worth a try and will save a lot of time and
> aggravation for you if it does.

Nice trick. Thanks.
If they are just off a mm or so, a quick pass at the grinding wheel could
even out the shaft lengths.

-j

Ll

LP

in reply to LP on 15/02/2005 1:57 PM

15/02/2005 11:02 PM

On 15 Feb 2005 17:16:34 -0800, "Knotbob" <[email protected]> wrote:

>The reason he uses the rubber grommet is..... I don't think your not
>supposed to let your router bits bottom out in the collet. Technically
>yours are bottoming out on a hard piece of dowel.
>Robert Smith
>Jacksonville, Fl.

Yes, i neglected to say that point was also mentioned in the video.
Something about the collet 'sucking' the bit down a bit.

I suspect this sucking down is only a matter of a few thousandths and
I dont know how important it is to proper gripping of the collet. It
didn't seem to affect the gripping power of mine.

I realize the dowel is a bit harder than a grommet but it was what I
had on hand and I felt that, with caution, it could be tried. I
suppose a piece of rubber rod would be a more appropriate material and
I'm on the lookout for some now.


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