I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and Bosch
RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw/ebayhist.html
(it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-Connect/dp/B0009H59LE
Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is the
recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
deserve the bad rap that it received?
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Gunner Asch wrote:
>
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:10:12 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw
>
> I bought one of these at a yard sale a year ago. I used it 3 times to
> cut 3/16 steel plate.
>
> I used it properly and with lubricant, and the proper blade.
>
> It blew out all the teeth in the drive. It started with one or
> two..and then ripped all the rest of them off in an orgy of self
> destruction.
>
> So I grabbed my well worn, dirty, grungy, dinged 20 yr old Milwaukee,
> and finished the job..and the 30 or more jobs since then
>
> Ya takes yur changes....
Don't you know better than to buy tools made for Democrats?
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:59:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Given that the case, the blades and the saw itself were covered with
>sheetrock dust, and the other items in the yard sale were sheetrock
>related, mixing trays etc etc..I assumed that the saw hadnt seen much
>rough duty..cutting holes in sheetrock seldom taxes a decent hand
>tool.
"Well, there's your problem..." ;-P
I've been beating on the DeWalt 18V cordless recip saw (first gen)
for years, no problem.
(Well, except for loaning it to a cow-orker and getting it back
missing the bent-T 5/16 hex key, not noticed till next use...)
Just had to plunge cut a 2X4 at a 45-degree angle because the
drywall hole wasn't big enough for the 5-1/4" DeWalt circ saw to cut
it out, just enough to get a starter slot at the right spot - bent a
45 degree twist in a 6" 4/8T blade and had at it. The 4-gang box
dropped right in the notch.
>Ive put it up on the RoundTuit shelf, and will open it up on a rainy
>day this winter and see if I can get replacement parts from DeWalt.
It is possible, I've done it many times.
The hard part is identification, since they don't like handing out
the exploded diagrams. And since they shut down the Woodland Hills
DeWalt/B&D repair depot where I could just walk in and look it up on
their computer, point and say "Order two of them, one of this..."
Now the closest depot is in North Orange County somewhere.
>Today, Im playing with my (new to me) Millermatic 35..AND the
>beautiful and minty Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC welders...
>
>All scores bartered for a bit of labor and expertise in machine tool
>repair...and maybe $45 in gas money <G>
My turn - You Suck! ;-)
If you see anything in another medium sized engine-drive go by, let
me know. My brother came to me with a "Great Deal!" on portable
generators that turned out to be the old scam - "We're selling these
used for cheap because we put fuel in them and ran them a few hours as
demos, and we can't ship them back to the factory with fuel in them."
Typical Chinese knockoffs that you will never get parts for in a
year or two - not without making them yourself. Disposable power
equipment.
--<< Bruce >>--
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:10:12 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw
I bought one of these at a yard sale a year ago. I used it 3 times to
cut 3/16 steel plate.
I used it properly and with lubricant, and the proper blade.
It blew out all the teeth in the drive. It started with one or
two..and then ripped all the rest of them off in an orgy of self
destruction.
So I grabbed my well worn, dirty, grungy, dinged 20 yr old Milwaukee,
and finished the job..and the 30 or more jobs since then
Ya takes yur changes....
"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich
Ignoramus26581 wrote:
>
> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and Bosch
> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>
> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw/ebayhist.html
> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>
> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-Connect/dp/B0009H59LE
>
> Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
> and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
>
> My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is the
> recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
>
> Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
> deserve the bad rap that it received?
I haven't used either of those two units, but the Milwaukee Super
Sawzall (which I have) has an internal counterbalance weight to help
counter vibration. I think the bottom end models may not have this
feature. You might check to see if either of the units you have has a
counterbalance. Other important features are tool free blade changes and
shoe depth adjustments. I know PC has that funky swivelable head, but in
many years with the regular super sawzall I've run into few if any tasks
where that feature would be useful.
"Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:59:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Given that the case, the blades and the saw itself were covered with
>>sheetrock dust, and the other items in the yard sale were sheetrock
>>related, mixing trays etc etc..I assumed that the saw hadnt seen much
>>rough duty..cutting holes in sheetrock seldom taxes a decent hand
>>tool.
>
> "Well, there's your problem..." ;-P
>
> I've been beating on the DeWalt 18V cordless recip saw (first gen)
> for years, no problem.
>
> (Well, except for loaning it to a cow-orker and getting it back
> missing the bent-T 5/16 hex key, not noticed till next use...)
Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
--
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"Leon Fisk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:09:07 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
>
>
> I'm sure Bruce can relate to this...
>
> "Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
> don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
> later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
> dikes back...
>
> Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
> other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
> work pretty well :)
I have a dike story, too. Fishing offshore with my old fishing buddy, using
my very expensive, German stainless steel dikes to trim wire line, and he
asks me to pass them to him. "Sure." I turn my back, turn around to look,
and he's cutting off the barb end of a hook, which is harder than a witch's
heart, that got into his pants. End of dikes. Friend almost winds up
swimming back to land, which is out of sight at that moment.
--
Ed Huntress
In article <[email protected]>,
Bruce L. Bergman <[email protected]> wrote:
> The hard part is identification, since they don't like handing out
> the exploded diagrams. And since they shut down the Woodland Hills
> DeWalt/B&D repair depot where I could just walk in and look it up on
> their computer, point and say "Order two of them, one of this..."
I know this is a UK site but it may be of some help in identifying the
parts you are after.
http://www.powertoolspares.com
or you could try
http://www.2helpu.com
Regards
Stuart
--
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For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:13:00 -0400, Leon Fisk
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:09:07 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
>
>
>I'm sure Bruce can relate to this...
>
>"Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
>don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
>later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
>dikes back...
>
>Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
>other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
>work pretty well :)
Handed a guy that was working for me brand new 24" Ridgid bolt cutter
and specifically asked him to make sure that none of the wires that we
were cutting out for the rehab were hot.
First cut produces a big pop and a spark and he's standing there
looking at the smoking hole in the cutter.
Still got the cutter and never replaced the blade. He cut it near the
tip - who knows why?
Since I always cut near the hinge it doesn't bother me that much -
except for reminding me of that knucklehead every time I use them.
Been twenty five years and the knucklehead memory won't go away.
tom watson
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:04:05 -0700, "Hawke" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
>> > What is the recall? If it is something minor, I would just use it
>> > until it dies.
>>
>> If I understood it correctly, under certain circumstances (?) the spindle
>> slips and the blade hits the guard. However, this is quite an old recall
>and
>> the guy must have been using the saw for years looking at the state of it.
>I
>> saw no blood stains mixed with all that dust so I guess without any
>> accidents.
>>
>> The big question is how using it with a steel-cutting blade would change
>the
>> spindle loading conditions. I fear quite a bit...
>>
>> I gather DeWalt would still do the recall work for free but the cost of
>> getting it to the service center probably exceeds the cost of a brand new
>> saw.
Don't be too sure - if you aren't in a rush you can get ground
shipping fairly cheap. Though you have to go straight to the USPS or
UPS service counter to get the best rates, most of the "Pack and Ship"
stores charge extra.
It's the "Overnight Air by 10 AM Guaranteed" where they rape you.
>From what I'm reading it doesn't sound like either the Dewalt or the other
>unit are ones that I would want to buy. Last year I bought a brand new super
>sawsall. It was a Milwaukee top of the line job. It sounds like I did the
>right thing by getting the original one and not a copy. So far I like it and
>it is very powerful, cuts great. I like powerful.
The real Milwaukees are nice, but you need 120V in the vicinity. I
have one, and they are the gold standard - but not nearly as handy as
the 18V battery units for attics and parking lots.
And watch the model numbers and the amp ratings - even Milwaukee is
making multiple grades of tools to meet price point pressures. A
cheap model stripped of features and a smaller motor to match the
competition, and the Better models with storage cases, quick-change
blades and cords, anti-vibe and bigger motors if you are willing to
pay for it.
--<< Bruce >>--
On 2008-10-03, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh <lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
> Ignoramus26581 <[email protected]> fired this volley
> in news:[email protected]:
>
>> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and
> Bosch
>> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
>> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>>
>> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
>> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-
> Reciproc
>> ating-Saw/ebayhist.html
>> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>>
>> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-
> Connect/
>> dp/B0009H59LE
>>
>> Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
>> and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
>>
>> My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is
> the
>> recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
>>
>> Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
>> deserve the bad rap that it received?
>>
>
> Iggy, anyone who doesn't know the source of and solution to recip
> recoil hasn't spent much time with them.
>
> Keep the sole plate tight to the work, and it won't happen, unless you
> tip-end smack the work or a fastener.
>
> (have a Super Sawzall; had a Riobi and a Bosch. Got the Sawzall
> because of the stroke and longevity of the tool, not it's operating
> characteristics.)
Lloyd, I had the same feeling about recoil.
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On Oct 3, 10:53=A0am, Ignoramus26581 <ignoramus26...@NOSPAM.
26581.invalid> wrote:
> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and Bosch
> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>
> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-Re=
ciprocating...
> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>
> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
> =A0 =A0 =A0http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-Conne=
ct/dp/B...
>
> Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
> and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
>
> My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is the
> recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
>
> Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
> deserve the bad rap that it received?
>
You already own the saw. Why would you ask what others think about
its recoil when all you have to do is plug it in and find out for
yourself? Why the hell would you care?
John Martin
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:56:01 -0500, Ignoramus25005
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2008-10-04, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:10:12 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw
>>
>>
>> I bought one of these at a yard sale a year ago. I used it 3 times to
>> cut 3/16 steel plate.
>>
>> I used it properly and with lubricant, and the proper blade.
>>
>> It blew out all the teeth in the drive. It started with one or
>> two..and then ripped all the rest of them off in an orgy of self
>> destruction.
>>
>> So I grabbed my well worn, dirty, grungy, dinged 20 yr old Milwaukee,
>> and finished the job..and the 30 or more jobs since then
>>
>> Ya takes yur changes....
>
>Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about
>this saw, than he let on?
Given that the case, the blades and the saw itself were covered with
sheetrock dust, and the other items in the yard sale were sheetrock
related, mixing trays etc etc..I assumed that the saw hadnt seen much
rough duty..cutting holes in sheetrock seldom taxes a decent hand
tool.
Ive put it up on the RoundTuit shelf, and will open it up on a rainy
day this winter and see if I can get replacement parts from DeWalt.
Today, Im playing with my (new to me) Millermatic 35..AND the
beautiful and minty Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC welders...
All scores bartered for a bit of labor and expertise in machine tool
repair...and maybe $45 in gas money <G>
Anyone heard of a Tregaskiss Tough-Gun? Its on the Millermatic 35.
Damn that welder has a small main transformer though.....
Gunner
"Obama, raises taxes and kills babies. Sarah Palin - raises babies
and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich
> > What is the recall? If it is something minor, I would just use it
> > until it dies.
>
> If I understood it correctly, under certain circumstances (?) the spindle
> slips and the blade hits the guard. However, this is quite an old recall
and
> the guy must have been using the saw for years looking at the state of it.
I
> saw no blood stains mixed with all that dust so I guess without any
> accidents.
>
> The big question is how using it with a steel-cutting blade would change
the
> spindle loading conditions. I fear quite a bit...
>
> I gather DeWalt would still do the recall work for free but the cost of
> getting it to the service center probably exceeds the cost of a brand new
> saw.
From what I'm reading it doesn't sound like either the Dewalt or the other
unit are ones that I would want to buy. Last year I bought a brand new super
sawsall. It was a Milwaukee top of the line job. It sounds like I did the
right thing by getting the original one and not a copy. So far I like it and
it is very powerful, cuts great. I like powerful.
Hawke
Leon Fisk wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:09:07 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
>
>
> I'm sure Bruce can relate to this...
>
> "Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
> don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
> later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
> dikes back...
>
> Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
> other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
> work pretty well :)
>
Sounds dirty but isn't?
In article <[email protected]>, huntres23
@optonline.net says...
>
> "Bruce L. Bergman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:59:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Given that the case, the blades and the saw itself were covered with
> >>sheetrock dust, and the other items in the yard sale were sheetrock
> >>related, mixing trays etc etc..I assumed that the saw hadnt seen much
> >>rough duty..cutting holes in sheetrock seldom taxes a decent hand
> >>tool.
> >
> > "Well, there's your problem..." ;-P
> >
> > I've been beating on the DeWalt 18V cordless recip saw (first gen)
> > for years, no problem.
> >
> > (Well, except for loaning it to a cow-orker and getting it back
> > missing the bent-T 5/16 hex key, not noticed till next use...)
>
> Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
...and everyone says Harbor Freight tools are useless. ;-)
--
Keith
Ignoramus26581 <[email protected]> fired this volley
in news:[email protected]:
> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and
Bosch
> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>
> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-
Reciproc
> ating-Saw/ebayhist.html
> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>
> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-
Connect/
> dp/B0009H59LE
>
> Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
> and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
>
> My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is
the
> recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
>
> Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
> deserve the bad rap that it received?
>
Iggy, anyone who doesn't know the source of and solution to recip
recoil hasn't spent much time with them.
Keep the sole plate tight to the work, and it won't happen, unless you
tip-end smack the work or a fastener.
(have a Super Sawzall; had a Riobi and a Bosch. Got the Sawzall
because of the stroke and longevity of the tool, not it's operating
characteristics.)
LLoyd
"Leo Lichtman" <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:
> If the sole plate is allowed to have zero pressure or less against
the
> work, the saw will DANCE. Saws which have an internal counter
weight
> run more smoothly under all circumstances. My first really good
> saber-saw was a Bosch, and I was really impressed at how much easier
> it was to follow a line. You don't have to lean on the saw to keep
it
> steady.
That's what I said, Leo! You don't have to PUSH, just keep the shoe
down snug, and the saw will track like it should. It cuts on the
pull. Only inertia of the ram and drag in the cut will make it push
away from the work.
I've personally never had trouble with any recip keeping it steady in
the cut -- not even on the dirt-cheap battery run ones.
LLoyd
t <[email protected]> wrote in news:61aie4dikhig3d2u2cci1t3l2rlillk9t9@
4ax.com:
> Handed a guy that was working for me brand new 24" Ridgid bolt cutter
> and specifically asked him to make sure that none of the wires that we
> were cutting out for the rehab were hot.
>
> First cut produces a big pop and a spark and he's standing there
> looking at the smoking hole in the cutter.
>
> Still got the cutter and never replaced the blade. He cut it near the
> tip - who knows why?
>
> Since I always cut near the hinge it doesn't bother me that much -
> except for reminding me of that knucklehead every time I use them.
>
> Been twenty five years and the knucklehead memory won't go away.
Spouse cut the cord of the iron to the length she wanted with her sturdy
scissors. Of course iron was plugged in to warm up. This was in Utecht,
Holland as a fresh(wo)man in college in '63, or '64. The 220V produced
enough current to melt an 1/8" hole in one of the scossors' blades. She
still remembers the shock. Unfortunately the scissors stayed in Holland
when we moved to the US. Spouse's vitality has remained unaffected by
this event and all others following.
--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid
I have used a DeWalt and a Ryobi. The Ryobi was better at shaking a can of
paint. If one has more than 1 complaint of having a lot of
vibration/shake/or recoil I'd say take a pass on it, regardless of brand.
"Ignoramus26581" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and Bosch
> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>
> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
>
> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw/ebayhist.html
> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>
> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-Connect/dp/B0009H59LE
>
> Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
> and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
>
> My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is the
> recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
>
> Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
> deserve the bad rap that it received?
>
> --
> Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their
> inattention
> to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating
> from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by
> more readers you will need to find a different means of
> posting on Usenet.
> http://improve-usenet.org/
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:16:12 -0700, "Michael Koblic"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Ignoramus25005" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about
>> this saw, than he let on?
>
>Ha! Join the club. I just brought home a DeWalt circular saw from a garage
>sale. I was looking for a manual on line and there is a recall on it!!!
>I suspect that the guy who sold it to me really did not know as the whole
>thing was caked in what I take to be sheet rock dust. Some of it has formed
>a new rock formation of its own. So he must have been using it...
>
>I was going to put a steel-cutting blade in it and have a go but I am having
>second thoughts.
Like the Skill VS saber saw with the quick change blade chuck that
Skill no longer supports. I paid $2 for it and plan to convert it to a
rattle can shaker that someone here posted about. I have since seen
two of these NIB at a surplus outlet tagged on sale for $18 each, no
thanks.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada
"Ignoramus26581" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and Bosch
> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>
> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
>
> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw/ebayhist.html
> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>
> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-Connect/dp/B0009H59LE
>
Ship them both two me, and I'll isse them to my work trucks. In a few years
I'll let you know which one held up better.
"Ignoramus25005" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about
> this saw, than he let on?
Ha! Join the club. I just brought home a DeWalt circular saw from a garage
sale. I was looking for a manual on line and there is a recall on it!!!
I suspect that the guy who sold it to me really did not know as the whole
thing was caked in what I take to be sheet rock dust. Some of it has formed
a new rock formation of its own. So he must have been using it...
I was going to put a steel-cutting blade in it and have a go but I am having
second thoughts.
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"Ignoramus25005" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> What is the recall? If it is something minor, I would just use it
> until it dies.
If I understood it correctly, under certain circumstances (?) the spindle
slips and the blade hits the guard. However, this is quite an old recall and
the guy must have been using the saw for years looking at the state of it. I
saw no blood stains mixed with all that dust so I guess without any
accidents.
The big question is how using it with a steel-cutting blade would change the
spindle loading conditions. I fear quite a bit...
I gather DeWalt would still do the recall work for free but the cost of
getting it to the service center probably exceeds the cost of a brand new
saw.
On 8 Oct 2008 02:16:06 GMT, "DoN. Nichols" wrote:
>On 2008-10-06, Bruce L Bergman wrote:
>> And now I ask "Why?" when people want to borrow the wrong tool.
>
> How do you know that is the wrong tool until they answer your
>"Why?"? :-)
It's a kind of sixth sense. You could call it Deja Blue (Corona),
or Deja Blew... - you just get the feeling that there's an ulterior
motive why they want to use your tool rather than one of theirs.
Or a very good reason why nobody in a position of authority allows
them to possess any tools, usually because they can't even figure out
which end to shove through the meaty part of their palm...
--<< Bruce >>--
On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:42:14 -0700, Bruce L. Bergman
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:59:49 -0700, Gunner Asch
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Given that the case, the blades and the saw itself were covered with
>>sheetrock dust, and the other items in the yard sale were sheetrock
>>related, mixing trays etc etc..I assumed that the saw hadnt seen much
>>rough duty..cutting holes in sheetrock seldom taxes a decent hand
>>tool.
>
> "Well, there's your problem..." ;-P
>
> I've been beating on the DeWalt 18V cordless recip saw (first gen)
>for years, no problem.
>
> (Well, except for loaning it to a cow-orker and getting it back
>missing the bent-T 5/16 hex key, not noticed till next use...)
>
> Just had to plunge cut a 2X4 at a 45-degree angle because the
>drywall hole wasn't big enough for the 5-1/4" DeWalt circ saw to cut
>it out, just enough to get a starter slot at the right spot - bent a
>45 degree twist in a 6" 4/8T blade and had at it. The 4-gang box
>dropped right in the notch.
>
>>Ive put it up on the RoundTuit shelf, and will open it up on a rainy
>>day this winter and see if I can get replacement parts from DeWalt.
>
> It is possible, I've done it many times.
>
> The hard part is identification, since they don't like handing out
>the exploded diagrams. And since they shut down the Woodland Hills
>DeWalt/B&D repair depot where I could just walk in and look it up on
>their computer, point and say "Order two of them, one of this..."
>
> Now the closest depot is in North Orange County somewhere.
>
>>Today, Im playing with my (new to me) Millermatic 35..AND the
>>beautiful and minty Miller Thunderbolt AC/DC welders...
>>
>>All scores bartered for a bit of labor and expertise in machine tool
>>repair...and maybe $45 in gas money <G>
>
> My turn - You Suck! ;-)
>
> If you see anything in another medium sized engine-drive go by, let
>me know. My brother came to me with a "Great Deal!" on portable
>generators that turned out to be the old scam - "We're selling these
>used for cheap because we put fuel in them and ran them a few hours as
>demos, and we can't ship them back to the factory with fuel in them."
>
> Typical Chinese knockoffs that you will never get parts for in a
>year or two - not without making them yourself. Disposable power
>equipment.
>
> --<< Bruce >>--
Ive a 3000 watt that has Honda stickers all over it. Unfortunately the
model number sticker is for a big Honda genset in a soundproof
housing...after I took it in trade.
Its been working ok, hundred hours or so on it, but...it aint a Honda,
though its a clone.
Gunner
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:13:00 -0400, Leon Fisk
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:09:07 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
>
>I'm sure Bruce can relate to this...
>
>"Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
>don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
>later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
>dikes back...
>
>Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
>other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
>work pretty well :)
Had that happen once with a Craftsman screwdriver that a worker
borrowed (without stating why, naturally) and then deliberately
stuffed into a J-box and stirred it to see if it was live or not - and
it was. 240V 3-phase 60A for a refrigeration compressor, so it took
half the blade and a big chunk out of the shaft.
Idjit couldn't just ask for a Wiggy like a normal person...
There's a very effective response, helps if you are one of the Leads
on the job and have a little leverage:
"Lunch is in a half hour, there's a Sears 5 minutes away. You are
going to start lunch early and go buy a new screwdriver to replace the
one you just melted, because they aren't going to warranty it. If
they are out, you are going to go to Catalog and order and pay for it.
And then you are going to stay late to make up the time. This is not
an option - Move."
Smart guy, he moved. Might have learned, too. I use mostly Klein
now, but the same theory holds.
A man's tools are sacrosanct, your tools are your living.
Accidents happen, and tools do wear out. But if you borrow it and
break it (and it wasn't wear) or lose it, you bought it. Payment
plans or professional repairs accepted, but you will make it good in
the eyes of the owner.
And now I ask "Why?" when people want to borrow the wrong tool.
--<< Bruce >>--
On Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:45:03 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
<snip>
>I have a dike story, too. Fishing offshore with my old fishing buddy, using
>my very expensive, German stainless steel dikes to trim wire line, and he
>asks me to pass them to him. "Sure." I turn my back, turn around to look,
>and he's cutting off the barb end of a hook, which is harder than a witch's
>heart, that got into his pants. End of dikes. Friend almost winds up
>swimming back to land, which is out of sight at that moment.
That sounds like someone who never bought a good pair of
precision dikes. They are usually a bit surprised to find
out how much a good pair really costs.
My old burned pair are large Channel Lock's, 8 inch I think.
I remember going through almost every pair they had at the
warehouse looking for one that actually had well mated
cutters. The salesman thought I was a bit batty, but put up
with me. Especially when I showed him what a crappy pair did
trying to cut a piece of paper. Sometimes even the expensive
precision models fail that test...
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"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: (clip) Keep the sole plate tight to the work,
and it won't happen, unless you
> tip-end smack the work or a fastener. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If the sole plate is allowed to have zero pressure or less against the work,
the saw will DANCE. Saws which have an internal counter weight run more
smoothly under all circumstances. My first really good saber-saw was a
Bosch, and I was really impressed at how much easier it was to follow a
line. You don't have to lean on the saw to keep it steady.
"Lloyd E. Sponenburgh" wrote: That's what I said, Leo! You don't have to
PUSH, just keep the shoe
> down snug, and the saw will track like it should. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, why did I post what I did? Quoting from your post, "Keep the sole plate
tight to the work, and it won't happen," I felt that it was not completely
clear that the rotating counter weight makes this a lot easier. It won't
matter much on a Saws-all, doing demolition, but when you're doing delicate
work with a saber saw, a light touch makes it easier to control the cut.
I don't think we disagree, except slightly on emphasis :-)
On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:13:00 -0400, Leon Fisk
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:09:07 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
>
>
>I'm sure Bruce can relate to this...
>
>"Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
>don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
>later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
>dikes back...
>
>Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
>other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
>work pretty well :)
On 2008-10-04, Gunner Asch <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:10:12 -0500, "Pete C." <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw
>
>
> I bought one of these at a yard sale a year ago. I used it 3 times to
> cut 3/16 steel plate.
>
> I used it properly and with lubricant, and the proper blade.
>
> It blew out all the teeth in the drive. It started with one or
> two..and then ripped all the rest of them off in an orgy of self
> destruction.
>
> So I grabbed my well worn, dirty, grungy, dinged 20 yr old Milwaukee,
> and finished the job..and the 30 or more jobs since then
>
> Ya takes yur changes....
Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about
this saw, than he let on?
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I tried both tonight. The vibration is same. I will keep the new Bosch
over the used DeWALT.
i
On 2008-10-03, Pete C. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Ignoramus26581 wrote:
>>
>> I am comparing two sawzalls: DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw and Bosch
>> RS20-XC. The reason for this is to pick which one to get rid of. I
>> have this old Dewalt and very cheaply bought a new Bosch ($50).
>>
>> DeWALT DW307 can be seen here:
>> http://yabe.algebra.com/~ichudov/misc/ebay/DeWALT-DW307-Reciprocating-Saw/ebayhist.html
>> (it shows as a forsale page, but it is not for sale)
>>
>> Bosch RS20-XC can be seen here:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Bosch-RS20-XC-Reciprocating-Direct-Connect/dp/B0009H59LE
>>
>> Anyway, Amazon lists numerous complaints about the strong vibration
>> and recoil of the Bosch reciprocating saw.
>>
>> My main question is, are these complaints even well founded, or is the
>> recoil inherent in a very powerful reciprocating saw?
>>
>> Could anyone share first impressions from the Bosch, does it really
>> deserve the bad rap that it received?
>
> I haven't used either of those two units, but the Milwaukee Super
> Sawzall (which I have) has an internal counterbalance weight to help
> counter vibration. I think the bottom end models may not have this
> feature. You might check to see if either of the units you have has a
> counterbalance. Other important features are tool free blade changes and
> shoe depth adjustments. I know PC has that funky swivelable head, but in
> many years with the regular super sawzall I've run into few if any tasks
> where that feature would be useful.
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On 2008-10-06, Bruce L Bergman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:13:00 -0400, Leon Fisk
><[email protected]> wrote:
[ ... ]
>>"Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
>>don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
>>later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
>>dikes back...
>>
>>Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
>>other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
>>work pretty well :)
>
> Had that happen once with a Craftsman screwdriver that a worker
> borrowed (without stating why, naturally) and then deliberately
> stuffed into a J-box and stirred it to see if it was live or not - and
> it was. 240V 3-phase 60A for a refrigeration compressor, so it took
> half the blade and a big chunk out of the shaft.
Did he get any burns from that? At least he certainly got some
respect for what that level of power could do.
Hmm ... I do remember once -- on a dare -- cutting a live power
cord. I told him that I would do it only if I could do it with *his*
dikes, not mine. (120 VAC outlet, 20A breaker, linoleum tile floor,
rubber sole shoes, dikes held far from my eyes.
It was not nearly as spectacular as your case -- and I knew what
to expect -- even with uninsulated handles on the dikes.
> Idjit couldn't just ask for a Wiggy like a normal person...
>
> There's a very effective response, helps if you are one of the Leads
> on the job and have a little leverage:
:-)
> "Lunch is in a half hour, there's a Sears 5 minutes away. You are
> going to start lunch early and go buy a new screwdriver to replace the
> one you just melted, because they aren't going to warranty it. If
> they are out, you are going to go to Catalog and order and pay for it.
> And then you are going to stay late to make up the time. This is not
> an option - Move."
Of course -- the fellow who dared me could get a new set easily
-- government job and Army supply chain. :-)
[ ... ]
> And now I ask "Why?" when people want to borrow the wrong tool.
How do you know that is the wrong tool until they answer your
"Why?"? :-)
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:16:12 -0700, "Michael Koblic"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Ignoramus25005" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about
>> this saw, than he let on?
>
>Ha! Join the club. I just brought home a DeWalt circular saw from a garage
>sale. I was looking for a manual on line and there is a recall on it!!!
>I suspect that the guy who sold it to me really did not know as the whole
>thing was caked in what I take to be sheet rock dust. Some of it has formed
>a new rock formation of its own. So he must have been using it...
>
>I was going to put a steel-cutting blade in it and have a go but I am having
>second thoughts.
So send it in!! You might get a new one out of it!
I always buy broken Craftsman tools at yard sales...the ones I know I
can trade in for a new one
Gunner
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and kills taxes." Pyotr Flipivich
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 19:09:07 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Well, there ya' go. Never lend a tool to a cow-orker. d8-)
I'm sure Bruce can relate to this...
"Hey, let me borrow your dikes for a minute." Sure, just
don't go cutting any hot cables with them. Couple minutes
later. BZZZZZZT!!! "Snort, hee-hee." Hey Leon, here's your
dikes back...
Funny thing is I still have that pair 30 years later and
other than a burnt spot and a few other scars they still
work pretty well :)
--
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On 2008-10-05, Michael Koblic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Ignoramus25005" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Could it be that the "garage sale" seller knew a little more about
>> this saw, than he let on?
>
> Ha! Join the club. I just brought home a DeWalt circular saw from a garage
> sale. I was looking for a manual on line and there is a recall on it!!!
> I suspect that the guy who sold it to me really did not know as the whole
> thing was caked in what I take to be sheet rock dust. Some of it has formed
> a new rock formation of its own. So he must have been using it...
>
> I was going to put a steel-cutting blade in it and have a go but I am having
> second thoughts.
>
What is the recall? If it is something minor, I would just use it
until it dies.
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