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On 5/18/2014 6:23 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended to be
>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted "Did
>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible to me
>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>> the "mommification" thread.
>>
>
> If your post requires more than 60 seconds of thought, expect to have
> it dropped from the forum most places. If you need longer than a
> minute, disconnect from the forum, do your thinking in Notepad or
> Word, select and copy the text, sign back into the forum, post your
> reply.
>
> That's one reason I use Forte Agent - all reading and posting are done
> on the PC and there are no timeouts.


Another point - Google Groups give you access to the newsgroups via a
web interface. They don't have anything else to do with the newsgroups.

On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended to be
>constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted "Did
>you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible to me
>(so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>the "mommification" thread.
>

If your post requires more than 60 seconds of thought, expect to have
it dropped from the forum most places. If you need longer than a
minute, disconnect from the forum, do your thinking in Notepad or
Word, select and copy the text, sign back into the forum, post your
reply.

That's one reason I use Forte Agent - all reading and posting are done
on the PC and there are no timeouts.

"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message news:[email protected]...

OFWW <[email protected]> writes:
>On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:18:53 -0400, Bill
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>>>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended to
>>>> be
>>>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>>>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted "Did
>>>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible to me
>>>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>>>> the "mommification" thread.

>Bill says right in the subject line that he's referring to google+,
>which is google's facebook lookalike. He's not referring to google
>groups, or usenet.

But his opening sentence reads "Google+ groups." Maybe different tools are
being mixed up in this discussion?

OFWW <[email protected]> writes:
>On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:18:53 -0400, Bill
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>>>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended to be
>>>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>>>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted "Did
>>>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible to me
>>>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>>>> the "mommification" thread.
>>>>
>>> If your post requires more than 60 seconds of thought, expect to have
>>> it dropped from the forum most places. If you need longer than a
>>> minute, disconnect from the forum, do your thinking in Notepad or
>>> Word, select and copy the text, sign back into the forum, post your
>>> reply.
>>>
>>> That's one reason I use Forte Agent - all reading and posting are done
>>> on the PC and there are no timeouts.
>>
>>No, it wasn't dropped. I was able to view the person's work from my
>>wife's account, but no longer from mine.
>>
>>It really about the poster than the technology. "Comments please"--but
>>only one's which polish my ego.
>>
>>For the amount of posting, there is very little in the way of
>>constructive criticism that takes place there, maybe because
>>it takes work, and maybe because people are afraid of offending one
>>another. And maybe because some folks will
>>delete it and block you if you cast any their way! I reminded her in my
>>post that her work was titled "Comments please".
>>
>>Folks are quite a bit more upfront here, and we definitely have more
>>discussions than I have ever seen on Google+. How can
>>you have a discussion if you are too busy to type more than one
>>sentence? They even encourage this with "+1".
>>
>>
>>
>
>Bill, GGroups have nothing to do with the Usenet. Those are often
>moderated groups and some will not allow posts from new users to
>go immediately online without a review. Some of those have nazi
>like moderators who like to control things, some are just there
>for the fun of it. Don't let it make you all paranoid. On the
>Usenet most of the time posts cannot be deleted anymore.

Bill says right in the subject line that he's referring to google+,
which is google's facebook lookalike. He's not referring to google
groups, or usenet.

On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:18:53 -0400, Bill
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended to be
>>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted "Did
>>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible to me
>>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>>> the "mommification" thread.
>>>
>> If your post requires more than 60 seconds of thought, expect to have
>> it dropped from the forum most places. If you need longer than a
>> minute, disconnect from the forum, do your thinking in Notepad or
>> Word, select and copy the text, sign back into the forum, post your
>> reply.
>>
>> That's one reason I use Forte Agent - all reading and posting are done
>> on the PC and there are no timeouts.
>
>No, it wasn't dropped. I was able to view the person's work from my
>wife's account, but no longer from mine.
>
>It really about the poster than the technology. "Comments please"--but
>only one's which polish my ego.
>
>For the amount of posting, there is very little in the way of
>constructive criticism that takes place there, maybe because
>it takes work, and maybe because people are afraid of offending one
>another. And maybe because some folks will
>delete it and block you if you cast any their way! I reminded her in my
>post that her work was titled "Comments please".
>
>Folks are quite a bit more upfront here, and we definitely have more
>discussions than I have ever seen on Google+. How can
>you have a discussion if you are too busy to type more than one
>sentence? They even encourage this with "+1".
>
>
>

Bill, GGroups have nothing to do with the Usenet. Those are often
moderated groups and some will not allow posts from new users to
go immediately online without a review. Some of those have nazi
like moderators who like to control things, some are just there
for the fun of it. Don't let it make you all paranoid. On the
Usenet most of the time posts cannot be deleted anymore.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended to be
>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted "Did
>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible to me
>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>> the "mommification" thread.
>>
> If your post requires more than 60 seconds of thought, expect to have
> it dropped from the forum most places. If you need longer than a
> minute, disconnect from the forum, do your thinking in Notepad or
> Word, select and copy the text, sign back into the forum, post your
> reply.
>
> That's one reason I use Forte Agent - all reading and posting are done
> on the PC and there are no timeouts.

No, it wasn't dropped. I was able to view the person's work from my
wife's account, but no longer from mine.

It really about the poster than the technology. "Comments please"--but
only one's which polish my ego.

For the amount of posting, there is very little in the way of
constructive criticism that takes place there, maybe because
it takes work, and maybe because people are afraid of offending one
another. And maybe because some folks will
delete it and block you if you cast any their way! I reminded her in my
post that her work was titled "Comments please".

Folks are quite a bit more upfront here, and we definitely have more
discussions than I have ever seen on Google+. How can
you have a discussion if you are too busy to type more than one
sentence? They even encourage this with "+1".

John Grossbohlin wrote:
> "Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> OFWW <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:18:53 -0400, Bill
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>>>>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended
>>>>> to be
>>>>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>>>>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted
>>>>> "Did
>>>>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible
>>>>> to me
>>>>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>>>>> the "mommification" thread.
>
>> Bill says right in the subject line that he's referring to google+,
>> which is google's facebook lookalike. He's not referring to google
>> groups, or usenet.
>
> But his opening sentence reads "Google+ groups." Maybe different tools
> are being mixed up in this discussion?



I was referring to the *Communities* in Google+. If those aren't Google
groups, then I just learned something new.

And I'm not being "paranoid". It just ticked me off that the person
whose picture I was commented on was able to easily
delete comments I spent 45 minutes of honest effort constructing for the
sake of discussion. Especially, after she titled her
post "Comments please". If if was not for that, I would not have not
invested the time.

Cheers,
Bill

Scott Lurndal wrote:
> Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>> John Grossbohlin wrote:
>>> "Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> OFWW <[email protected]> writes:
>>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:18:53 -0400, Bill
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>>>>>>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended
>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>>>>>>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted
>>>>>>> "Did
>>>>>>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible
>>>>>>> to me
>>>>>>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>>>>>>> the "mommification" thread.
>>>> Bill says right in the subject line that he's referring to google+,
>>>> which is google's facebook lookalike. He's not referring to google
>>>> groups, or usenet.
>>> But his opening sentence reads "Google+ groups." Maybe different tools
>>> are being mixed up in this discussion?
>>
>>
>> I was referring to the *Communities* in Google+. If those aren't Google
>> groups, then I just learned something new.
>>
>
> Usenet (archived by Deja-News, deja-news absorbed by Google)
> Google Groups (google's public forums, superset of usenet, i.e. it
> includes all usenet groups + google only discussion groups)
> Google+ communities (google+ only, moderated communities)
>
> =====
>
> Usenet is a distributed data store (there is no single central
> location managing or storing the groups - group content is replicated
> across all usenet servers).
>
> Google non-usenet Groups are stored and maintained by google only.
>
> Google+ communities, facebook-like.

Thank you for the clarification/history Scott. I'm glad Usenet is
distributed and hope it's stays non-proprietary.

Bill <[email protected]> writes:
>John Grossbohlin wrote:
>> "Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> OFWW <[email protected]> writes:
>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 20:18:53 -0400, Bill
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 18 May 2014 17:45:46 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm new to the Google+ groups, but a little while ago I posted one or
>>>>>> two comments (representing about 45 minutes of thinking), intended
>>>>>> to be
>>>>>> constructive, about a drawing/painting that was titled "Comments
>>>>>> please". Then I noticed that my comments were gone, and I posted
>>>>>> "Did
>>>>>> you delete my comments?" Then the person's work was not visible
>>>>>> to me
>>>>>> (so I suppose they blocked me). Me, Bill!!! : ) It reminds me of
>>>>>> the "mommification" thread.
>>
>>> Bill says right in the subject line that he's referring to google+,
>>> which is google's facebook lookalike. He's not referring to google
>>> groups, or usenet.
>>
>> But his opening sentence reads "Google+ groups." Maybe different tools
>> are being mixed up in this discussion?
>
>
>
>I was referring to the *Communities* in Google+. If those aren't Google
>groups, then I just learned something new.
>


Usenet (archived by Deja-News, deja-news absorbed by Google)
Google Groups (google's public forums, superset of usenet, i.e. it
includes all usenet groups + google only discussion groups)
Google+ communities (google+ only, moderated communities)

=====

Usenet is a distributed data store (there is no single central
location managing or storing the groups - group content is replicated
across all usenet servers).

Google non-usenet Groups are stored and maintained by google only.

Google+ communities, facebook-like.