While this isn't a woodworking question per se, the populace here
does have expertise in wood and lumber . . .
The other day my wife and I tried planking some salmon on the grill
and it came out pretty nicely. Given that success, we plan to do
that again. :) We used these cedar planks that we picked up at the
local grocery store. These planks come in a dimension of about
12"Lx6"W and are 1/2" thick for a cost of something in the neighborhood
of $4.
I got to thinking how Home Depot sells cedar boards and I seem to
recall a 1x6x8' is only about $6-$8. So I could definitely get a
better price by getting the wood from Home Depot--but would it be safe
to cook with? As in, does anyone know definitively if that wood has
been treated chemically in any way?
"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:pnkjg.103682$iU2.54627@fed1read01:
>
>>
>> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>> Overfill (overflow?) protection device.
>>>
>>> Patriarch
>>
>> Why is it that when you take a tank in for refilling, the high school
>> senior in charge will bust your balls for an OPD tank, yet doesn't
>> know that tanks should only be filled to 80%?
>>
>> I took two empty tanks in the other day. Should have held 8 gallons,
>> right? 80% of 10. He put in 9.3 total for the two. So much for the
>> OPD and its functionality. Either they don't work, or my math is
>> flawed.
>>
>> STeve
>>
>>
>>
>
> Or your tanks weren't dead empty...
Huh? If they are only supposed to fill them to 80%, and that is 8 gallons,
why did they put in 9.3?
Here's yer sign.
Steve
Steve B wrote:
>
>
> Make that H2S.
>
> Lethal deadly stuff in any concentration.
>
Nope, I've smelled H2S and lived.
The human nose can detect it down to ~ 1ppb.
That's why it was commonly used to add odor to otherwise
odorless gas making it easier to smell leaks.
It is deadly at low concentrations, but not _any_ concentration.
--
FF
Ross Hebeisen wrote:
> cedar may be rot resistant and not treated for that purpose, lumber is
> often treated to prevent mold or mildew in it's green stage or after in
> the event of moisture in the pile. if you see mold on the lumber at H.D.
> you know it has not been treated with fungiside, do you want to use it?
> thats the reason food grade requires special handling and sealed from
> moisture after kiln drying. make sense?
>
Lumber is often sprayed with a waxy substance so it sheds water
easier when stored outside. The cedar at HD is probably Western
Red Cedar.
--
FF
Mark & Juanita wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:36:01 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >>>
> >>> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
> >>> that kills you.
> >>
> >> http://www.dhmo.org/
> >>
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the link but Dioxide IIRC does not exist by itself. Dioxide is
> >a part of the name of a compound that has 2 parts oxygen.
> >
>
> Actually it does, oxygen is most stable as O2. [that's subscript '2']
>
O2 is not 'dioxide' it is properly referred to as molecular oxygen.
'Dioxide' is used exclusively in reference to compounds with
at least one other element.
And a pure oxygen atmospher is quite dangerous. Things will
burn that would not burn in air, or ignite at a lower temperature,
(remember Apollo 1?). Oxygen narcosis can kill a person.
Remember the song by "Sweet"--_Love is Like Oxygen_.
--
FF
"You get too much you get too high,
not enough and you're gonna die."
Steve B wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Steve B wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Make that H2S.
> >>
> >> Lethal deadly stuff in any concentration.
> >>
> >
> > Nope, I've smelled H2S and lived.
> >
> > The human nose can detect it down to ~ 1ppb.
> >
> > That's why it was commonly used to add odor to otherwise
> > odorless gas making it easier to smell leaks.
> >
> > It is deadly at low concentrations, but not _any_ concentration.
> > FF
> >
>
> Trouble is, if the concentration is enough to make a difference, you will be
> passed out before you know what's going on. And dead or brain dead shortly
> thereafter. There aren't a lot of lucid discussions between H2S accident
> survivors.
>
> I worked in oilwell drilling for about ten years. "Sour wells" were
> something to be respected and feared. Yes, you can take measures, but yes,
> they will kill you in two breaths. And if it's coming out fast enough, you
> can't run far enough and fast enough to escape it.
>
> You're just dead.
>
> It also occurs in sewer workers, and those who work in the open manhole
> environment.
>
> Nasty deadly stuff. Everyone has smelled the "rotten egg" smell of the
> swamp, the sewer, the decomposing organic matter. But if you have ever
> smelled it in a high concentration, you can't talk about it. You're just
> dead.
>
Actually IIUC it cannot be smelled in anything but very low
concentrations.
In higher, concentrations it saturates the receptors and the smell goes
away, even though the concentration is higher.
Chemists who work with reactions that liberate H2S know that as long
as you CAN smell it, you're OK. It's when you stop smelling it that
you're in big trouble--or dead.
BTW, I think they use mercaptans (organo-sulfer comopunds)
now to odorize gas.
--
FF
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:53:08 -0700, "Steve B" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>And why is it that you can take an old propane tank and stencil "For Cutting
>Only" on it, and not have to have the OPD on it, even though you will take
>it home and use it for barbecuing?
OPD?
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
"The Other Funk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GpUig.2132$X02.1504@trnddc02...
> I wonder what would happen if you asked for a MSDS for say a cleaner or
> paint. There MUST be one on file at the point of sale and must be provided
> to customers on request in order make that available to the customer's
> employees
>
Check the MSDS posted on the wall of any ambulance garage for the dangerous
gas known as oxygen. It'll scare you to death. Could cause you to cease
breathing, you know.
"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Why is it that I can buy a cylinder of
>> MAPP and oxygen or propane in a single package or even in the store but
>> the barbecue tanks must be kept outside.
>
> Probably the size.
Yep, have to set a boundary somewhere. One of the things they teach us is
to go for the bill of lading in the driver's door pocket, rather than assume
the lack of placarding means no hazardous cargo.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> BTW, I think they use mercaptans (organo-sulfer comopunds)
> now to odorize gas.
>
Ayup. Unlike that other "natural gas," methane has no odor to a human.
"Bob Moos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> While this isn't a woodworking question per se, the populace here
> does have expertise in wood and lumber . . .
>
> The other day my wife and I tried planking some salmon on the grill
> and it came out pretty nicely. Given that success, we plan to do
> that again. :) We used these cedar planks that we picked up at the
> local grocery store. These planks come in a dimension of about
> 12"Lx6"W and are 1/2" thick for a cost of something in the neighborhood
> of $4.
>
> I got to thinking how Home Depot sells cedar boards and I seem to
> recall a 1x6x8' is only about $6-$8. So I could definitely get a
> better price by getting the wood from Home Depot--but would it be safe
> to cook with? As in, does anyone know definitively if that wood has
> been treated chemically in any way?
What makes you think that the cedar you paid high dollar for wasn't treated
in some way?
I have some friends in California that treated us to some salmon on Home
Depot cedar boards.
The salmon was delicious, and nothing out of the ordinary happened happened
happened happened happened (SLAP!)
I do believe that the cedar at HD is untreated, as they surely have the
higher priced treated lumber in a special area. I would ask the manager,
and possibly he could put you in contact with the supplier.
I definitely know that the boards at the supplier are waaaaaaaaaaay less
than the ones at the meat counter, although they don't come in the fancy
box.
Steve
Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
> What makes you think that the cedar you paid high dollar for wasn't
> treated in some way?
Being the trusting sort, I'm hoping what it says on the label[1][2] is
true. :)
> I do believe that the cedar at HD is untreated, as they surely have
> the higher priced treated lumber in a special area. I would ask the
> manager, and possibly he could put you in contact with the supplier.
Would asking for an MSDS sheet for the particular lumber be a simple
way to test if it has been treated? As in, if they have one, then
it's obviously been treated. And if there isn't one, then it's not
been treated. Maybe this logic is flawed, but that's the general
impression I get about how MSDS applies to lumber[3][4].
> I definitely know that the boards at the supplier are waaaaaaaaaaay
> less than the ones at the meat counter, although they don't come in
> the fancy box.
That's what I'm thinking. I don't need the fancy shrink wrap, I'd
rather get a 1"x6"x8' and then whittle it down to size with my chop
saw. :)
[1]: http://www.txsmoke.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=15
[2]: What it says on that label, which can't be read too well from
that picture, is the following: "Cedar the #1 softwood fish plank, all
natural untreated, best for grilling".
[3]: http://www.ilpi.com/msds/faq/partb.html#wood
[4]: http://www.ilpi.com/msds/osha/I19941205.html
cedar may be rot resistant and not treated for that purpose, lumber is
often treated to prevent mold or mildew in it's green stage or after in
the event of moisture in the pile. if you see mold on the lumber at H.D.
you know it has not been treated with fungiside, do you want to use it?
thats the reason food grade requires special handling and sealed from
moisture after kiln drying. make sense?
ross
"Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
>> that kills you.
>
> http://www.dhmo.org/
>
Thanks for the link but Dioxide IIRC does not exist by itself. Dioxide is
a part of the name of a compound that has 2 parts oxygen.
"Bob Moos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> What makes you think that the cedar you paid high dollar for wasn't
>> treated in some way?
>
> Being the trusting sort, I'm hoping what it says on the label[1][2] is
> true. :)
>
>> I do believe that the cedar at HD is untreated, as they surely have
>> the higher priced treated lumber in a special area. I would ask the
>> manager, and possibly he could put you in contact with the supplier.
>
> Would asking for an MSDS sheet for the particular lumber be a simple
> way to test if it has been treated? As in, if they have one, then
> it's obviously been treated. And if there isn't one, then it's not
> been treated. Maybe this logic is flawed, but that's the general
> impression I get about how MSDS applies to lumber[3][4].
>
I wonder what would happen if you asked for a MSDS for say a cleaner or
paint. There MUST be one on file at the point of sale and must be provided
to customers on request in order make that available to the customer's
employees
http://www.ilpi.com/msds/faq/partb.html#myrights
"What about those signs you see in home improvement stores about MSDS's
being available on request? Yes, MSDS"s are available there, but under the
"downstream flow" concept and as discussed in paragraph (g)(7) of 29 CFR
1910.1200, the Hazard Communication Standard, the store is only obligated to
give them to customers who are employers."
How do they know if you are a contractor or business? I'll have to ask next
time I buy something for my store. That's the law.
Since the sales person probably doesn't have a clue about this, I'll bet you
can make a managers head exploded.
There must be one on file. There must be an MSDS. for every chemical in the
store and available, in case of spiillage or release.
Which leads me to another question. Why is it that I can buy a cylinder of
MAPP and oxygen or propane in a single package or even in the store but the
barbecue tanks must be kept outside.
Bob
Western Red Cedar seems to be the choice for plank cooking. I use Eastern
Red Cedar with great results, also try Oak, Maple or Fruit woods.
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Ross Hebeisen wrote:
> > cedar may be rot resistant and not treated for that purpose, lumber is
> > often treated to prevent mold or mildew in it's green stage or after in
> > the event of moisture in the pile. if you see mold on the lumber at H.D.
> > you know it has not been treated with fungiside, do you want to use it?
> > thats the reason food grade requires special handling and sealed from
> > moisture after kiln drying. make sense?
> >
>
> Lumber is often sprayed with a waxy substance so it sheds water
> easier when stored outside. The cedar at HD is probably Western
> Red Cedar.
>
> --
>
> FF
>
"Bob Moos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Snip
>
> I got to thinking how Home Depot sells cedar boards and I seem to
> recall a 1x6x8' is only about $6-$8. So I could definitely get a
> better price by getting the wood from Home Depot--but would it be safe
> to cook with? As in, does anyone know definitively if that wood has
> been treated chemically in any way?
Is it even the same kind of Cedar? I would not trust it being suitable for
cooking.
"John Santos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <pY%[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>> Leon wrote:
>> > "Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >>> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon
>> >>> Monoxide
>> >>> that kills you.
>> >> http://www.dhmo.org/
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for the link but Dioxide IIRC does not exist by itself.
>> > Dioxide is
>> > a part of the name of a compound that has 2 parts oxygen.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Leon, there really is no point in trying to
>> correct people about chemistry. Most people never
>> took it in school and wouldn't know the
>> difference between a molecule and an ion or a
>> compound and an element. And most people that
>> took it in HS, were bored, hated it, and learned
>
> Huh? I would never describe Hydrogen Sulfide as "boring!"
> High School, on the other hand ... :-)
>
>
>> nothing. That leaves very few people that have
>> any sense of the make up of the world they live
>> in. Same goes for physics.
>>
>
> --
> John
HS is hydrogen sulfide, eh?
Make that H2S.
Lethal deadly stuff in any concentration.
Is it any wonder why so many morons die from things they don't understand?
No.
I just wonder how they are so goddam fertile.
Steve
In article <pY%[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
> Leon wrote:
> > "Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
> >>> that kills you.
> >> http://www.dhmo.org/
> >>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the link but Dioxide IIRC does not exist by itself. Dioxide is
> > a part of the name of a compound that has 2 parts oxygen.
> >
> >
>
> Leon, there really is no point in trying to
> correct people about chemistry. Most people never
> took it in school and wouldn't know the
> difference between a molecule and an ion or a
> compound and an element. And most people that
> took it in HS, were bored, hated it, and learned
Huh? I would never describe Hydrogen Sulfide as "boring!"
High School, on the other hand ... :-)
> nothing. That leaves very few people that have
> any sense of the make up of the world they live
> in. Same goes for physics.
>
--
John
"The Other Funk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:bFZig.4930$X02.3670@trnddc02...
>
>>
> Ah yes, the ol' dioxide. Too much will kill you.
Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
that kills you.
"The Other Funk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:GpUig.2132$X02.1504@trnddc02...
>
> "Bob Moos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> What makes you think that the cedar you paid high dollar for wasn't
>>> treated in some way?
>>
>> Being the trusting sort, I'm hoping what it says on the label[1][2] is
>> true. :)
>>
>>> I do believe that the cedar at HD is untreated, as they surely have
>>> the higher priced treated lumber in a special area. I would ask the
>>> manager, and possibly he could put you in contact with the supplier.
>>
>> Would asking for an MSDS sheet for the particular lumber be a simple
>> way to test if it has been treated? As in, if they have one, then
>> it's obviously been treated. And if there isn't one, then it's not
>> been treated. Maybe this logic is flawed, but that's the general
>> impression I get about how MSDS applies to lumber[3][4].
>>
> I wonder what would happen if you asked for a MSDS for say a cleaner or
> paint. There MUST be one on file at the point of sale and must be provided
> to customers on request in order make that available to the customer's
> employees
>
> http://www.ilpi.com/msds/faq/partb.html#myrights
> "What about those signs you see in home improvement stores about MSDS's
> being available on request? Yes, MSDS"s are available there, but under the
> "downstream flow" concept and as discussed in paragraph (g)(7) of 29 CFR
> 1910.1200, the Hazard Communication Standard, the store is only obligated
> to give them to customers who are employers."
>
> How do they know if you are a contractor or business? I'll have to ask
> next time I buy something for my store. That's the law.
>
> Since the sales person probably doesn't have a clue about this, I'll bet
> you can make a managers head exploded.
> There must be one on file. There must be an MSDS. for every chemical in
> the store and available, in case of spiillage or release.
> Which leads me to another question. Why is it that I can buy a cylinder of
> MAPP and oxygen or propane in a single package or even in the store but
> the barbecue tanks must be kept outside.
> Bob
And why is it that you can take an old propane tank and stencil "For Cutting
Only" on it, and not have to have the OPD on it, even though you will take
it home and use it for barbecuing?
Steve
Regarding the recent H2S discussions:
http://www.taproot.com/blog/OilPlatFire.PPT
Found this while looking for 1980 hydrogen sulfide fatalities from oilfield
drilling. That year, a rig I was offered a contract on went to the Middle
East. It had a hydrogen sulfide blowout that killed 27 men during the time
I would have been on it.
These incredible photos were shot from the Randolph Yost, the rig I would
have been on during that H2S accident off Abu Dhabi. The accident in the
photo happened when the Randolph Yost was in the Indian Ocean, I believe.
I don't miss the oilfield one bit.
Read the text. The whole thing started with an injured finger.
Steve
"Clint" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jhDjg.35611$771.31124@edtnps89...
>I read it to say he put in 9.3 for the two tanks (average of 4.65/tank).
>
> But I also figured that the tanks are typically rated in pounds (10 pound
> bottle, 20 pound, 100 pound), where propane is sold by the litre around
> here. How the two relate, I have NO idea.
>
> Clint
>
Agreed. IIRC, US Propane tanks of this size are said to be forty pounders.
Yet, I have rarely seen them filled on a scale. (I HAVE seen them filled
while being weighed on a scale, but I think only once or twice.) It is
always stated in US gallons on the meter. That's meter in measuring device
and not meter as in 39.36 inches.
Steve
Mark & Juanita <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:53:08 -0700, "Steve B"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>And why is it that you can take an old propane tank and stencil "For
>>Cutting Only" on it, and not have to have the OPD on it, even though
>>you will take it home and use it for barbecuing?
>
> OPD?
>
Overfill (overflow?) protection device.
Patriarch
"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:pnkjg.103682$iU2.54627@fed1read01:
>
> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Overfill (overflow?) protection device.
>>
>> Patriarch
>
> Why is it that when you take a tank in for refilling, the high school
> senior in charge will bust your balls for an OPD tank, yet doesn't
> know that tanks should only be filled to 80%?
>
> I took two empty tanks in the other day. Should have held 8 gallons,
> right? 80% of 10. He put in 9.3 total for the two. So much for the
> OPD and its functionality. Either they don't work, or my math is
> flawed.
>
> STeve
>
>
>
Or your tanks weren't dead empty...
"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:%qrjg.103725$iU2.22726@fed1read01:
>
> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:pnkjg.103682$iU2.54627@fed1read01:
>>
>>>
>>> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> Overfill (overflow?) protection device.
>>>>
>>>> Patriarch
>>>
>>> Why is it that when you take a tank in for refilling, the high
>>> school senior in charge will bust your balls for an OPD tank, yet
>>> doesn't know that tanks should only be filled to 80%?
>>>
>>> I took two empty tanks in the other day. Should have held 8
>>> gallons, right? 80% of 10. He put in 9.3 total for the two. So
>>> much for the OPD and its functionality. Either they don't work, or
>>> my math is flawed.
>>>
>>> STeve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Or your tanks weren't dead empty...
>
> Huh? If they are only supposed to fill them to 80%, and that is 8
> gallons, why did they put in 9.3?
>
> Here's yer sign.
>
> Steve
>
You're right. I read that too fast. Sorry.
Where do I post my sign? ;-)
Patriarch
"George" <George@least> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "The Other Funk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:GpUig.2132$X02.1504@trnddc02...
>> I wonder what would happen if you asked for a MSDS for say a cleaner or
>> paint. There MUST be one on file at the point of sale and must be
>> provided to customers on request in order make that available to the
>> customer's employees
>>
>
> Check the MSDS posted on the wall of any ambulance garage for the
> dangerous gas known as oxygen. It'll scare you to death. Could cause
> you to cease breathing, you know.
>
Ah yes, the ol' dioxide. Too much will kill you.
Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
> Is it even the same kind of Cedar? I would not trust it being
> suitable for cooking.
Good question--I don't know. The stuff we got from the grocery
store comes from a company called Texas Smoke and after doing a
quick search found they have a web site and a listing for the
product[1]. Both the site for Texas Smoke and Home Depot simply
list the stuff as "cedar" without any specifics.
[1]: http://www.txsmoke.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=15
The Other Funk wrote:
>
> "Bob Moos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Steve B <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> What makes you think that the cedar you paid high dollar for wasn't
>>> treated in some way?
>>
>> Being the trusting sort, I'm hoping what it says on the label[1][2] is
>> true. :)
>>
>>> I do believe that the cedar at HD is untreated, as they surely have
>>> the higher priced treated lumber in a special area. I would ask the
>>> manager, and possibly he could put you in contact with the supplier.
>>
>> Would asking for an MSDS sheet for the particular lumber be a simple
>> way to test if it has been treated? As in, if they have one, then
>> it's obviously been treated. And if there isn't one, then it's not
>> been treated. Maybe this logic is flawed, but that's the general
>> impression I get about how MSDS applies to lumber[3][4].
>>
> I wonder what would happen if you asked for a MSDS for say a cleaner or
> paint. There MUST be one on file at the point of sale and must be provided
> to customers on request in order make that available to the customer's
> employees
>
> http://www.ilpi.com/msds/faq/partb.html#myrights
> "What about those signs you see in home improvement stores about MSDS's
> being available on request? Yes, MSDS"s are available there, but under the
> "downstream flow" concept and as discussed in paragraph (g)(7) of 29 CFR
> 1910.1200, the Hazard Communication Standard, the store is only obligated
> to give them to customers who are employers."
>
> How do they know if you are a contractor or business? I'll have to ask
> next time I buy something for my store. That's the law.
>
> Since the sales person probably doesn't have a clue about this, I'll bet
> you can make a managers head exploded.
> There must be one on file. There must be an MSDS. for every chemical in
> the store and available, in case of spiillage or release.
> Which leads me to another question. Why is it that I can buy a cylinder of
> MAPP and oxygen or propane in a single package or even in the store but
> the barbecue tanks must be kept outside.
Probably the size.
> Bob
--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)
I read it to say he put in 9.3 for the two tanks (average of 4.65/tank).
But I also figured that the tanks are typically rated in pounds (10 pound
bottle, 20 pound, 100 pound), where propane is sold by the litre around
here. How the two relate, I have NO idea.
Clint
"Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> news:pnkjg.103682$iU2.54627@fed1read01:
>>
>>>
>>> "Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>>
>>>> Overfill (overflow?) protection device.
>>>>
>>>> Patriarch
>>>
>>> Why is it that when you take a tank in for refilling, the high school
>>> senior in charge will bust your balls for an OPD tank, yet doesn't
>>> know that tanks should only be filled to 80%?
>>>
>>> I took two empty tanks in the other day. Should have held 8 gallons,
>>> right? 80% of 10. He put in 9.3 total for the two. So much for the
>>> OPD and its functionality. Either they don't work, or my math is
>>> flawed.
>>>
>>> STeve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Or your tanks weren't dead empty...
>
> Huh? If they are only supposed to fill them to 80%, and that is 8
> gallons, why did they put in 9.3?
>
> Here's yer sign.
>
> Steve
>
"George E. Cawthon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:pY%[email protected]...
>>
>>
>
> Leon, there really is no point in trying to correct people about
> chemistry.
But I am painfully bored. :~)
Leon wrote:
> "Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
>>> that kills you.
>> http://www.dhmo.org/
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the link but Dioxide IIRC does not exist by itself. Dioxide is
> a part of the name of a compound that has 2 parts oxygen.
>
>
Leon, there really is no point in trying to
correct people about chemistry. Most people never
took it in school and wouldn't know the
difference between a molecule and an ion or a
compound and an element. And most people that
took it in HS, were bored, hated it, and learned
nothing. That leaves very few people that have
any sense of the make up of the world they live
in. Same goes for physics.
BB <[email protected]> wrote:
> While it is not impossible that the cedar has been treated it is
> doubtful - cedar by its nature is very rot resistant and there is
> no need to treat it. Usually the cedar that is used is Western Red
> (planking is a traditional way of cooking salmon on the west coast
> though originally it involved using wood pegs to hold the salmon in
> place as the plank was propped up over the fire). The difference in
> price reflects marketing. . .
It looks like, before I try using wood from Home Depot (or any of
the other home center stores) for cooking, I'll need to find out
definitively if the stuff has been treated in any way. If I can't
get a satisfactory answer, I just won't use it.
If I do figure out that Home Depot, Lowes, etc. have something safe
to use, I'll follow-up later.
"Patriarch" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> Overfill (overflow?) protection device.
>
> Patriarch
Why is it that when you take a tank in for refilling, the high school senior
in charge will bust your balls for an OPD tank, yet doesn't know that tanks
should only be filled to 80%?
I took two empty tanks in the other day. Should have held 8 gallons, right?
80% of 10. He put in 9.3 total for the two. So much for the OPD and its
functionality. Either they don't work, or my math is flawed.
STeve
"Bob Moos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> While this isn't a woodworking question per se, the populace here
> does have expertise in wood and lumber . . .
>
> The other day my wife and I tried planking some salmon on the grill
> and it came out pretty nicely. Given that success, we plan to do
> that again. :) We used these cedar planks that we picked up at the
> local grocery store. These planks come in a dimension of about
> 12"Lx6"W and are 1/2" thick for a cost of something in the neighborhood
> of $4.
>
> I got to thinking how Home Depot sells cedar boards and I seem to
> recall a 1x6x8' is only about $6-$8. So I could definitely get a
> better price by getting the wood from Home Depot--but would it be safe
> to cook with? As in, does anyone know definitively if that wood has
> been treated chemically in any way?
While it is not impossible that the cedar has been treated it is doubtful -
cedar by its nature is very rot resistant and there is no need to treat it.
Usually the cedar that is used is Western Red (planking is a traditional way
of cooking salmon on the west coast though originally it involved using wood
pegs to hold the salmon in place as the plank was propped up over the fire).
The difference in price reflects marketing. . .
bb
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Steve B wrote:
>>
>>
>> Make that H2S.
>>
>> Lethal deadly stuff in any concentration.
>>
>
> Nope, I've smelled H2S and lived.
>
> The human nose can detect it down to ~ 1ppb.
>
> That's why it was commonly used to add odor to otherwise
> odorless gas making it easier to smell leaks.
>
> It is deadly at low concentrations, but not _any_ concentration.
> FF
>
Trouble is, if the concentration is enough to make a difference, you will be
passed out before you know what's going on. And dead or brain dead shortly
thereafter. There aren't a lot of lucid discussions between H2S accident
survivors.
I worked in oilwell drilling for about ten years. "Sour wells" were
something to be respected and feared. Yes, you can take measures, but yes,
they will kill you in two breaths. And if it's coming out fast enough, you
can't run far enough and fast enough to escape it.
You're just dead.
It also occurs in sewer workers, and those who work in the open manhole
environment.
Nasty deadly stuff. Everyone has smelled the "rotten egg" smell of the
swamp, the sewer, the decomposing organic matter. But if you have ever
smelled it in a high concentration, you can't talk about it. You're just
dead.
You may have different views and experiences than mine. For anyone who
wants to learn about this, just google hydrogen sulfide and hydrogen sulfide
fatalities and learn some things that just might save your life one day.
Steve
On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:36:01 GMT, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Juergen Hannappel" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
>>> that kills you.
>>
>> http://www.dhmo.org/
>>
>
>
>Thanks for the link but Dioxide IIRC does not exist by itself. Dioxide is
>a part of the name of a compound that has 2 parts oxygen.
>
Actually it does, oxygen is most stable as O2. [that's subscript '2']
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"Leon" <[email protected]> writes:
> "The Other Funk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:bFZig.4930$X02.3670@trnddc02...
>>
>>>
>> Ah yes, the ol' dioxide. Too much will kill you.
>
> Dioxide??? What kind? And I thought it was the compound Carbon Monoxide
> that kills you.
http://www.dhmo.org/
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